Law & Order: Criminal Intent - General Discussion

[GHScorpiosRule]

Ross came in with a huge chip against Goren from Day one. He made that crack how he wouldn’t put up with Goren’s crap like Deakins had.

EXCUUUUUZE ME? What crap? Goren’s “crap” didn’t start to manifest until his doucheassself came aboard and all he cared about was the politics and not standing behind his cops.🤬🤬🤬🤬 And that line to Eames about not letting Goren drag her down.

I was not sad to see him get whacked.

[WendyCR72]

So, Oxygen shows the last three episodes of S4 from 3:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m. (so if anyone wants to watch, set the DVR!) today (Tuesday) and next Tuesday, starts Season...8.

Ah, Oxygen, your weird-ass scheduling perplexes me.  😉

[Xeliou66]

3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Ross came in with a huge chip against Goren from Day one. He made that crack how he wouldn’t put up with Goren’s crap like Deakins had.

EXCUUUUUZE ME? What crap? Goren’s “crap” didn’t start to manifest until his doucheassself came aboard and all he cared about was the politics and not standing behind his cops.🤬🤬🤬🤬 And that line to Eames about not letting Goren drag her down.

I was not sad to see him get whacked.

Absolutely, Ross treated his detectives like shit from day 1, he was a condescending dickhead who never trusted his detectives and was quick to insult them. I can’t stand him and felt nothing when he was whacked. 

[WendyCR72]

As I type, "Frame" is airing on WE and reminds me of another reason I disliked Ross. "Based on nothing" (as Alex was quoted as saying as Ross described a theory), Ross decided Goren was a killer.

Because his junkie brother died? Even Rodgers, who screwed up in this episode, said Succinylcholine (which Nicole was known to use) was involved. As far as I'm concerned, Ross was damned lucky that Goren didn't deck him during their stare down (which was just on!). By Ross' "reasoning", Goren was a killer because Goren had the misfortune to share DNA with one.

But ZERO evidence of such.

And I have said this a BUNCH, but I still love how petrified Simmons the forensic accountant looked when he entered the interrogation room and saw Eames with Ross. He deserved it. Love how Alex looked like she smelled something foul before demanding Ross ask HER about Goren.

[Xeliou66]

13 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

As I type, "Frame" is airing on WE and reminds me of another reason I disliked Ross. "Based on nothing" (as Alex was quoted as saying as Ross described a theory), Ross decided Goren was a killer.

Because his junkie brother died? Even Rodgers, who screwed up in this episode, said Succinylcholine (which Nicole was known to use) was involved. As far as I'm concerned, Ross was damned lucky that Goren didn't deck him during their stare down (which was just on!). By Ross' "reasoning", Goren was a killer because Goren had the misfortune to share DNA with one.

But ZERO evidence of such.

And I have said this a BUNCH, but I still love how petrified Simmons the forensic accountant looked when he entered the interrogation room and saw Eames with Ross. He deserved it. Love how Alex looked like she smelled something foul before demanding Ross ask HER about Goren.

I watched Frame as well last night, and Ross was at his worst in this episode. He was quick to throw Goren under the bus and believe the worst about him and was a condescending ass about it the entire time. Ross was a dick. 

[WendyCR72]

MyNetwork finished showing "Folie A Deux" from S8. After the early news here, the next episode will air. My listings have "Family Values". Oddly, however, the preview shown was for the episode NOT in the national syndication package, "The Glory That Was".

Will be interesting to see which episode it will be. I'm betting on "Family Values".

ETA: I was right! Skipped over "Glory That Was". As usual.

"Family Values" was on WE today, but I missed it, so at least there's something to watch now otherwise...

[Sigmagirl]

I’ve never seen even a preview for "The Glory That Was."

[Xeliou66]

19 hours ago, Sigmagirl said:

I’ve never seen even a preview for "The Glory That Was."

I’ve never seen a preview for it either. It’s a joke that it’s never shown and not even included on the DVD’s. 

[WendyCR72]

8 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I’ve never seen a preview for it either. It’s a joke that it’s never shown and not even included on the DVD’s. 

Which is why I was surprised to even see the preview on MyNetwork! As for the Season 8 DVDs, as I said before, the US version with the ugly tannish color does not have the episode. But the European Season 8 DVDs with the red-colored cover does. But you'd need a DVD player that plays Region 2 DVDs to play it (which I do, so I have both versions of S8).

[WendyCR72]

Watching "Lady's Man" on MyNetwork as I type, and here's an angle we never discussed or picked up on. According to what Alex found, Gabrielle Roth/a.k.a. Kevin Mulrooney opened a checking account and yet used Alex's address.

Wouldn't the bank have sent some sort of confirmation via snail mail? (I find it hard to believe that Alex only found out while on the job!)

I know, I know. TV. Still, as much as I liked the episode, the holes are quite obvious. (I already ranted about Alex not being able to realize that someone had been in her own home! Which also begs the question: How did Mulrooney get in? I assume Alex was smart enough to lock her doors.)

[wknt3]

11 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Watching "Lady's Man" on MyNetwork as I type, and here's an angle we never discussed or picked up on. According to what Alex found, Gabrielle Roth/a.k.a. Kevin Mulrooney opened a checking account and yet used Alex's address.

Wouldn't the bank have sent some sort of confirmation via snail mail? (I find it hard to believe that Alex only found out while on the job!)

I know, I know. TV. Still, as much as I liked the episode, the holes are quite obvious. (I already ranted about Alex not being able to realize that someone had been in her own home! Which also begs the question: How did Mulrooney get in? I assume Alex was smart enough to lock her doors.)

 

I can only speak for my employer, but yes we do send a letter to the physical address on file (as opposed to the mailing address which can be a PO Box, office, etc.) However due to the way some of our larger competitors abuse words like "official" and "confirmation" many people have a tendency to automatically throw away anything that comes from a bank especially one that's not theirs. And I'm not sure if it's a regulatory requirement or not since I don't work in compliance thankfully (and the rules were laxer at the time) so maybe he picked a bank that let him use a PO Box for mailing the original documents and checks and then deleted it and did everything remotely? As a retail banker I'm not bothered at all. Now the way the detectives get into safe deposit boxes with a simple subpoena in days or track down US currency to individual tellers...

[WendyCR72]

8 hours ago, wknt3 said:

 

I can only speak for my employer, but yes we do send a letter to the physical address on file (as opposed to the mailing address which can be a PO Box, office, etc.) However due to the way some of our larger competitors abuse words like "official" and "confirmation" many people have a tendency to automatically throw away anything that comes from a bank especially one that's not theirs. And I'm not sure if it's a regulatory requirement or not since I don't work in compliance thankfully (and the rules were laxer at the time) so maybe he picked a bank that let him use a PO Box for mailing the original documents and checks and then deleted it and did everything remotely? As a retail banker I'm not bothered at all. Now the way the detectives get into safe deposit boxes with a simple subpoena in days or track down US currency to individual tellers...

Wow, thanks for the info! So, I guess, the scenario may not be as far-fetched as I had thought. But, as you say, it may depend on the bank...

But Mulrooney getting into Alex's place is still a big hole.  😛

[WendyCR72]

WE is currently airing "Bright Boy". The father still strikes me as very creepy. Never knew until recently that the actress, Lisa Eichhorn, who played the headmistress of the school that poor Robbie was accepted to, was one of the actresses to audition for the role of Diane Chambers on Cheers.

Even with his motive of wanting the best for his kid aside, how the father could not see his son was miserable and flailing astounds me. Robbie seemed to be a surrogate to the father, living the life the father thought he should have had if not for his dyslexia.

I'd like to think the aunt and uncle Robbie went to live with just allowed Robbie HIS life and allowed him to be a kid. (Which Kim the social worker tried to stress to Robbie, probably leading to Robbie lying to his father and setting everything in motion.)

[peacheslatour]

I was watching Badge about an hour ago and while serving a warrant at the suspect's home VDO suddenly acquired this really broad Brooklyn accent. Was that part of some kind of a ploy?

[GHScorpiosRule]

17 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I was watching Badge about an hour ago and while serving a warrant at the suspect's home VDO suddenly acquired this really broad Brooklyn accent. Was that part of some kind of a ploy?

Yes. He was acting like a sloppy detective and someone he knew Viola Davis' character would have issues with. But she had their number.

[WendyCR72]

16 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Yes. He was acting like a sloppy detective and someone he knew Viola Davis' character would have issues with. But she had their number.

I read somewhere way back that both VDO/KE were interviewed and positively raved about Viola Davis. From what I gather, she was just as complimentary. She really excelled at playing an ice-cold bitch of a murderer juxtaposed with tough, loving mother!

I already mentioned this, but Bobby wearing the blood-soaked shirt of the murdered family patriarch still skeeved me the hell out.

As an aside, in the episode, "Faith", I get Christine believed in Erica. But her belief bordered on the monumentally stupid. I know the show touched on Christine having a medical issue that dealt with her maybe not having kids. But perhaps that little psychological angle should have been highlighted more. As it was, she seemed less like a duped believer and just a garden-variety psycho in her own right. Especially given the manner in which she killed Doug.

[Neurochick]

L&O: CI was great but IMO it jumped the shark when they introduced Nicole Wallace.  I think my issue with her was I found her un-interesting.  Her character bored me and her presence ruined the show.  I couldn't see Goren's fascination with her.

I think a woman detective would look her in the eye and say, "bitch bye, you're boring."  

[peacheslatour]

45 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

L&O: CI was great but IMO it jumped the shark when they introduced Nicole Wallace.  I think my issue with her was I found her un-interesting.  Her character bored me and her presence ruined the show.  I couldn't see Goren's fascination with her.

I think a woman detective would look her in the eye and say, "bitch bye, you're boring."  

Exactly. Just because she figured out that his mom was his weak spot didn't make her a fascinating temptress, it made her a fairly run of the mill manipulator.

[Sigmagirl]

17 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

As it was, she seemed less like a duped believer and just a garden-variety psycho in her own right. Especially given the manner in which she killed Doug.

She had excellent improvisational skills. 🤣

[WendyCR72]

8 hours ago, Sigmagirl said:

She had excellent improvisational skills. 🤣

I mean, setting Doug on fire with nail-polish remover was certainly...a choice. But really? Because he didn't share a (distorted) belief?

Oooookay, then!

10 hours ago, Neurochick said:

L&O: CI was great but IMO it jumped the shark when they introduced Nicole Wallace.  I think my issue with her was I found her un-interesting.  Her character bored me and her presence ruined the show.  I couldn't see Goren's fascination with her.

I think a woman detective would look her in the eye and say, "bitch bye, you're boring."  

My only regret about Nicole was she was offed by Goren's wacko mentor off screen instead of letting Goren or Goren/Eames do the honors. As for her actual death? Bye!

[Gramto6]

I hated the whole Nicole series and if they never replay them I will be eternally happy.

[WendyCR72]

Too bad all of us anti-Nicole people didn't win that Season 4 poll for the ending of "Great Barrier" that NBC promoted. The extra alternate ending scene (i.e. the losing scenario) on the S4 DVD is a nice consolation prize, with that said.

[Xeliou66]

I’m in agreement with everyone about the Nicole Wallace bullshit, I HATED that storyline. It would’ve been okay if Nicole had been killed off at the end of Great Barrier, it still wouldn’t have been a good storyline but I wouldn’t have hated it nearly as much, having her escape again at the end of Great Barrier, then again at the end of Grow, then killed off offscreen by Declan Gage, what a stupid shitfest of a storyline. I almost always skip the Nicole episodes when they come on. 

[peacheslatour]

42 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

I’m in agreement with everyone about the Nicole Wallace bullshit, I HATED that storyline. It would’ve been okay if Nicole had been killed off at the end of Great Barrier, it still wouldn’t have been a good storyline but I wouldn’t have hated it nearly as much, having her escape again at the end of Great Barrier, then again at the end of Grow, then killed off offscreen by Declan Gage, what a stupid shitfest of a storyline. I almost always skip the Nicole episodes when they come on. 

Same here and I agree with WendyCR that Goren or even better Eames, with Goren standing by doing nothing to stop her from shooting her, would have at least been a satisfactory ending for a mos unsatisfactory villain. Maybe they could have poisoned her since she was so fond of poison but they're officers of the law so that wouldn't work. Mainly I wanted to see her suffer. She was like William Lewis on SVU but at least he killed himself.

[Xeliou66]

22 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Same here and I agree with WendyCR that Goren or even better Eames, with Goren standing by doing nothing to stop her from shooting her, would have at least been a satisfactory ending for a mos unsatisfactory villain. Maybe they could have poisoned her since she was so fond of poison but they're officers of the law so that wouldn't work. Mainly I wanted to see her suffer. She was like William Lewis on SVU but at least he killed himself.

Yes they could’ve at least had her killed by Goren or Eames, instead of killed offscreen by Gage. Having her killed offscreen by another villain was remarkably unsatisfying, I hated the storyline and I hated the ending to it. I really wished they had killed her at the end of Great Barrier. 

[peacheslatour]

6 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yes they could’ve at least had her killed by Goren or Eames, instead of killed offscreen by Gage. Having her killed offscreen by another villain was remarkably unsatisfying, I hated the storyline and I hated the ending to it. I really wished they had killed her at the end of Great Barrier. 

I really wanted to see her begging Bobby to save her and he just whispers "No".

[Xeliou66]

7 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I really wanted to see her begging Bobby to save her and he just whispers "No".

I just wanted to see the bitch dead at the hands of Goren or Eames onscreen. To devote so much time to the character and have her ridiculously escape justice time and time again only to be killed offscreen was a huge letdown. 

[peacheslatour]

1 minute ago, Xeliou66 said:

I just wanted to see the bitch dead at the hands of Goren or Eames onscreen. To devote so much time to the character and have her ridiculously escape justice time and time again only to be killed offscreen was a huge letdown. 

My, my aren't we a bloodthirsty little coven? 😎

[wknt3]

On 7/11/2020 at 3:53 AM, WendyCR72 said:

Too bad all of us anti-Nicole people didn't win that Season 4 poll for the ending of "Great Barrier" that NBC promoted. The extra alternate ending scene (i.e. the losing scenario) on the S4 DVD is a nice consolation prize, with that said.

Yeah, but I have a feeling they would have just pulled a Jason Todd (Google it) anyway so we might have to deal with her less, but probably what we got would have been more painful (Goren realizing she had a twin sister who was the one he shot and trying to convince everyone that she was the one behind their big case while everyone told him he was crazy? In a 2-parter?) Remember she was based on Moriarty - killing her off when you run out of good stories isn't necessarily final!

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, wknt3 said:

Yeah, but I have a feeling they would have just pulled a Jason Todd (Google it) anyway so we might have to deal with her less, but probably what we got would have been more painful (Goren realizing she had a twin sister who was the one he shot and trying to convince everyone that she was the one behind their big case while everyone told him he was crazy? In a 2-parter?) Remember she was based on Moriarty - killing her off when you run out of good stories isn't necessarily final!

Oh, I know ALL about that formula. I watched soaps through the years.

The trouble with Nicole was The Law of Diminishing Returns, so to speak. Each subsequent return became more ridiculous and implausible, and the "returns" became less so with each return. At SOME point, the character had to die - for REAL. This wasn't a cartoon or a soap town, after all!  😉

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

Oh, I know ALL about that formula. I watched soaps through the years.

The trouble with Nicole was The Law of Diminishing Returns, so to speak. Each subsequent return became more ridiculous and implausible, and the "returns" became less so with each return. At SOME point, the character had to die - for REAL. This wasn't a cartoon or a soap town, after all!  😉

Agreed - the way she kept on escaping got utterly ridiculous, she escaped 3 times and she was found not guilty at a trial another time, that’s 4 times she managed to evade justice. I didn’t even find the character that compelling in the first place.

[peacheslatour]

3 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Agreed - the way she kept on escaping got utterly ridiculous, she escaped 3 times and she was found not guilty at a trial another time, that’s 4 times she managed to evade justice. I didn’t even find the character that compelling in the first place.

She was no Dolores Umbridge.

[wknt3]

23 hours ago, wknt3 said:

Yeah, but I have a feeling they would have just pulled a Jason Todd (Google it) anyway so we might have to deal with her less, but probably what we got would have been more painful (Goren realizing she had a twin sister who was the one he shot and trying to convince everyone that she was the one behind their big case while everyone told him he was crazy? In a 2-parter?) Remember she was based on Moriarty - killing her off when you run out of good stories isn't necessarily final!

 

22 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Oh, I know ALL about that formula. I watched soaps through the years.

The reference wasn't to the general idea of "back from the dead" which is familiar to most of us but specific to the "polarizing character killed off by poll" part.

 

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 The trouble with Nicole was The Law of Diminishing Returns, so to speak. Each subsequent return became more ridiculous and implausible, and the "returns" became less so with each return. At SOME point, the character had to die - for REAL. This wasn't a cartoon or a soap town, after all!  😉

True. But it seems that nobody who does Sherlock Holmes can seem to resist the temptation to keep bringing back Moriarty despite the diminishing returns just as Conan Doyle did. I mean you would think that if any show would know that when Moriarty gets to be too much you've got to cut them loose permanently it would be a Dick Wold show....

[WendyCR72]

4 hours ago, wknt3 said:

True. But it seems that nobody who does Sherlock Holmes can seem to resist the temptation to keep bringing back Moriarty despite the diminishing returns just as Conan Doyle did. I mean you would think that if any show would know that when Moriarty gets to be too much you've got to cut them loose permanently it would be a Dick Wold show....

The same Dick Wolf that would be content to let SVU run until Olivia is in Depends and edentulous? 😉 Dick has issues with letting ANYTHING go willingly, as we have discussed in length!  🙂

[WendyCR72]

WE is showing "Family Values" as I type, and a minor detail I never noticed when Goren/Eames and the SWAT team storm the Devildes' home was the shot of a boom box with a candle burning next to it (which I assume was playing the religious-sounding music as they entered, not just something the viewer hears).

I mention this because, the real case this is based upon, the John List family murders in 1971, had him turn a radio on to, apparently, classical music, as he also turned the thermostat down before fleeing. (I recall these details mentioned on the profile of this case on America's Most Wanted in the 1980s.) What was even more remarkable, as this case was before the internet and it was a decade-plus since those deaths, the show wanted to show what List would look like. And some artist, using a photo from 1971, a profile, and using the stress List was probably under, used all of that information to sculpt a bust - complete with a more modern pair of glasses that he would have likely chosen - and when he was finally apprehended, the bust was almost IDENTICAL. It was fascinating.

Apparently, like the CI episode, List's daughter wanted to act and, also as in the episode, it mentioned Devildes possibly going to kill his (or the wife's?) elderly mother before the FBI and G/E apprehended him, and List did kill his own mother, as revealed in the video. And both the real John List and David Harbour's Paul both lost banking jobs. Of course, "Family Values" did have Cathy live, unlike Susan List.

Alas, that episode of AMW is not on the 'net as far as I can tell, but the original Forensic Files (with Peter Thomas narrating) also covered it, and interviewed the sculptor. So you can - if you didn't - see for yourself how on the mark he got John List, and see how it inspired the "Family Values" Criminal Intent episode:

 

[wknt3]

8 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

The same Dick Wolf that would be content to let SVU run until Olivia is in Depends and edentulous? 😉 Dick has issues with letting ANYTHING go willingly, as we have discussed in length!  🙂

He clings to shows and money. He's more than willing to cut loose individuals when they have served their purpose. I can remember him getting rid of another Moriarty. Perhaps if Nicole Wallace had started ranting about Janet Reno she would have been kept off screen and never seen alive again?

[WendyCR72]

12 hours ago, wknt3 said:

He clings to shows and money. He's more than willing to cut loose individuals when they have served their purpose. I can remember him getting rid of another Moriarty. Perhaps if Nicole Wallace had started ranting about Janet Reno she would have been kept off screen and never seen alive again?

Touché. Good point. Brings to mind Chris Noth. There are conflicting stories as to whether he quit or was let go again at the end of Season 7 of Criminal Intent. If I recall, wasn't there a rift between Noth/Wolf at the end of Season 5 of the Mothership, hence Noth's leaving? (Or was that Noth's choice?)

[ML89]

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

Touché. Good point. Brings to mind Chris Noth. There are conflicting stories as to whether he quit or was let go again at the end of Season 7 of Criminal Intent. If I recall, wasn't there a rift between Noth/Wolf at the end of Season 5 of the Mothership, hence Noth's leaving? (Or was that Noth's choice?)

It was Wolf on Mothership. He didn’t renew Noth’s contract. Not that there wasn’t friction on both sides, but Wolf wanted his newer model to “contrast” with Lennie. I never saw a definitive on why Noth left CI or why Sciorra left either. 

[WendyCR72]

6 hours ago, ML89 said:

It was Wolf on Mothership. He didn’t renew Noth’s contract. Not that there wasn’t friction on both sides, but Wolf wanted his newer model to “contrast” with Lennie. I never saw a definitive on why Noth left CI or why Sciorra left either. 

I think (don't know for sure, obviously!) Annabella Sciorra left because, if I recall, Carolyn Barek didn't seem to be a hit with the viewers. I'm guessing, too, that was when Dick Wolf mined the cast of his then-recently failed show, Conviction, and that is where he got the inspiration to cast Julianne Nicholson as Logan's new partner (and cast Milena Govich on Season 17 of the Mothership).

I doubt we'll ever really know why Noth left the franchise the second and last time.

[GHScorpiosRule]

12 hours ago, ML89 said:

I never saw a definitive on why Noth left CI

5 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I doubt we'll ever really know why Noth left the franchise the second and last time.

 

All I know is that Noth said in an interview that there was nothing left to do with the character of Mike Logan. That the character was done. 

And I didn't know if that was coming from Noth, or he was just saying what he was told to say. He's pretty outspoken, so I guess I have to believe him. But I didn't agree with him. It was all that soap opera DREK that was written in his last year to blame. While Dzundza only played Max for a year, the character had been a cop for over 25. No reason why Mike Logan couldn't have been. Or even as long as Lennie, who had a more checkered past. So, Pfft.

[Dirtybubble]

Well at least the writers gave Mike Logan a good final episode.  An understanding as to why he wouldn't return.  His last episode is one of my favorites in the series and his conversation with Denis O'Hare's character was just wonderful!  Plus add on everything that happened in that episode, it is understandable why he left unlike other characters who simply did not return for the next season and no one ever bothered to explain why.

[peacheslatour]

8 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I think (don't know for sure, obviously!) Annabella Sciorra left because, if I recall, Carolyn Barek didn't seem to be a hit with the viewers. I'm guessing, too, that was when Dick Wolf mined the cast of his then-recently failed show, Conviction, and that is where he got the inspiration to cast Julianne Nicholson as Logan's new partner (and cast Milena Govich on Season 17 of the Mothership).

I doubt we'll ever really know why Noth left the franchise the second and last time.

Back at the time I read that the ratings had really taken a hit and when VDO said he'd be willing to come back, it was bye bye Logan.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Just now, peacheslatour said:

Back at the time I read that the ratings had really taken a hit and when VDO said he'd be willing to come back, it was bye bye Logan.

But Noth didn't replace D'Onofrio. The reason they brought Mike Logan back to Major Case in Season five was because the stress of carrying the show was too much for him, so that's why they split the episodes as Goren/Eames and Logan/Barek/etc/etc/  for three seasons. Then D'Onorio left again, and you got the Goldblum season. Before the final one with the original leads for 10 final episodes.

[WendyCR72]

5 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Back at the time I read that the ratings had really taken a hit and when VDO said he'd be willing to come back, it was bye bye Logan.

VDO was still on when Noth left. Noth left at the end of S7. VDO left in S9. Jeff Goldblum's Zack Nichols took over as sole lead for the remainder of S9.

On another topic, Peacock launched today, and I was able to answer a question I had insofar as CI streaming goes: In what should surprise no one, the "lost" S8 episode, "The Glory That Was", is still lost.  😛

It is NOT listed among the S8 episodes to stream. (All 10 seasons are offered. Have not checked the Mothership yet, but I think I read NOT all seasons would be offered. When I look, I will let everyone know!)

[peacheslatour]

36 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

VDO was still on when Noth left. Noth left at the end of S7. VDO left in S9. Jeff Goldblum's Zack Nichols took over as sole lead for the remainder of S9.

On another topic, Peacock launched today, and I was able to answer a question I had insofar as CI streaming goes: In what should surprise no one, the "lost" S8 episode, "The Glory That Was", is still lost.  😛

It is NOT listed among the S8 episodes to stream. (All 10 seasons are offered. Have not checked the Mothership yet, but I think I read NOT all seasons would be offered. When I look, I will let everyone know!)

Maybe it came to close to the truth to make some powerful people uncomfortable?

[WendyCR72]

17 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Maybe it came to close to the truth to make some powerful people uncomfortable?

I remember way back that some Olympics officials were offended at the Olympics BTS portrayals or something. Must have been strong enough to just pull the episode completely!

[Dirtybubble]

16 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

VDO was still on when Noth left. Noth left at the end of S7. VDO left in S9. Jeff Goldblum's Zack Nichols took over as sole lead for the remainder of S9.

On another topic, Peacock launched today, and I was able to answer a question I had insofar as CI streaming goes: In what should surprise no one, the "lost" S8 episode, "The Glory That Was", is still lost.  😛

It is NOT listed among the S8 episodes to stream. (All 10 seasons are offered. Have not checked the Mothership yet, but I think I read NOT all seasons would be offered. When I look, I will let everyone know!)

You're saying Criminal Intent is available on Peacock?  I just downloaded the app and all I can find is SVU.

Thanks for the 411 on Peacock either way.  I had no idea this app even existed.  I don't normally watch NBC but it's cool they've included all the other channels that NBC owns (I think) Bravo, Oxygen, etc.

[WendyCR72]

9 hours ago, Dirtybubble said:

You're saying Criminal Intent is available on Peacock?  I just downloaded the app and all I can find is SVU.

Yup. All 3. The Mothership, Criminal Intent, and SVU are all there. Do a search! I put in just the "Law" part and all three popped up.

Speaking of which, I was watching "Vanishing Act" on Peacock last night as Rodgers was discussing Miles Stone's findings. A bit of continuity for the eagle-eyed! On her dry erase board, if you look closely, the name "Rick Agiza" is there.

That was the name of the first victim in "Depths" earlier in the season!  🙂

Thought it was a nice little nod and good attention to detail.

[Dirtybubble]

14 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Yup. All 3. The Mothership, Criminal Intent, and SVU are all there. Do a search! I put in just the "Law" part and all three popped up.

Ok I found it.  I had actually downloaded the incorrect app.  I had the NBC app and it only has SVU but Peacock has all 3.  Thanks so much!  My husband and I are fighting over DVR space =) He says Criminal Intent takes up too many hours.  I have to have my Robert Goren fix though *sigh*

 

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17 minutes ago, Dirtybubble said:

Ok I found it.  I had actually downloaded the incorrect app.  I had the NBC app and it only has SVU but Peacock has all 3.  Thanks so much!  My husband and I are fighting over DVR space 😃 He says Criminal Intent takes up too many hours.  I have to have my Robert Goren fix though *sigh*

 

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