Hoarders - General Discussion

[JudyObscure]

3 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

 I think the lukewarm welcome in the ending scenes was because he didn't care if the daughters or granddaughters visited.  

I noticed that, too.  I wish the therapists and organizers would quit pushing the "so your family can visit," motivator on people who clearly don't care about that. The only words that got through to David was the threat of losing his house and all his precious stuff.  I'll bet he was scared to death that one of those cute grandchildren was going to break something.

They were both so nasty to that nice therapist I don't understand how she managed to maintain a professional demeanor.

Wouldn't it have been nice to see the bank take possession of the house and contents, sell it "as is," and let David and Elisabeth watch the new owners throw all those lamps and purses in a dumpster?

[CrazyInAlabama]

"Lori" new to U.S., part of the Canadian season.   Lori and son Tajko (he's 17) live in   Kugluktuk, Nunavut in the  Canadian arctic.    If the house is so isolated, how did she hoard the house full?   

According to her older sister, the parents were 'collectors', so it's a generational issue.    She had Tajko with her former boyfriend, Keith.   He left because of the hoarding.    Sarah is the psychotherapist on this episode, we saw her last season (Darlene?)  

Because of the remote location, they have a team of all volunteers.  In return for the massive help from the community, the organizer will help Lori do a free donation event locally. 

Lori is keeping a lot more than she's letting go and is resisting every effort to discard anything.  I know the house is big, with four bedrooms, but the amount of stuff that's being taken out of the house is huge.  Lori keeps walking away, and stopping progress. Lori comes back and claims she wants to continue.  

They've made great progress with the clean out.  The donation event is a huge success.  Lori seems happy at the donation event, but has Tajko left. Lori seems fine with cleaning out, but her son just can't cope with it.  The cleaning crew has a massive job, and they're all local volunteers. The son realizes he has a hoarding mindset.  He's worried his mother will go back to hoarding, and he is worried about his mother's mental state. The house looks totally clean. 

Epilogue: Loriis working with aftercare therapists and organizing help.  Tajko is looking at his future, and having friends over. 

(My biggest issue is with the huge shipping container of 'keep' items Lori still had.   I'm hoping she doesn't rehoard the house. I hope she has a long, happy life in that wonderful community. ) 

(Lori posted on another message board, and she's doing fanstastic.  Still in her beautiful little town.  Tajko is doing very well.   The house is still beautiful.  I'm so happy for both of them.) 

Edited March 11 by CrazyInAlabama

[JudyObscure]

I thought this was a great episode.  One of the main reasons I watch this show is for the look inside other lives and Kugluktuk, Nunavut was about as "other" as it can get.  Such a cold, miserable looking place and yet it contained the nicest people ever.

I would never have believed a huge hoarder house could be cleared, cleaned and repaired by a group of friends and neighbors only.  When I compared this little group with the big muscular, professional groups with Matt or Corey leading, I just didn't think it would get done.

The mother/son dynamic always gets me tearful because I'm divorced with one son and we are very close.  What a fine boy Tajko is!

Lastly, I just have to say, in the all important November election, I'm going to vote for anyone who promises to appoint a cabinet of engineers who will design a really good, supportive bra for all us overweight American women.

[BradandJanet]

I enjoyed this episode. All the people, even the hoarder, seem nice, and the remote location was fascinating. I was impressed that Lori's sister and her ex both flew in for the clean out and stayed rather than giving up halfway, as is often the case. There was an amazing amount of stuff in that house. 

Lori, an elementary school teacher, had organized a buy nothing group when she first arrived in Nunavut, so the townspeople probably recognized some of their former donations in the mass of Lori's cleared out items. Lori also did online shopping, which doesn't seem consistent with a buy nothing lifestyle. 

I felt bad for Tajko, who wanted to move on with his life but felt he had to stay because of his mother's fragile mental health. (Maybe a place with five months of total darkness isn't the best choice for her.) I hope he is able to separate and move on with his life. 

[Twiz44]

I can’t even imagine living anywhere so remote and with such extreme weather conditions. The isolation must be so difficult and I would expect that many may suffer from mental illness given the isolation. On the other hand, the sense of “community” was extraordinary. Given that, perhaps it’s a very peaceful lifestyle.
 

I had to check it out on Google maps. There was no Google “Street view”.

[Mollywolly555]

Tajko was wise for his years... his statements were thoughtful and well spoken. Wonder why he can't live with Dad part of the year.  

I hate when kids take care of parents.  

[Elizzikra]

27 minutes ago, Mollywolly555 said:

Tajko was wise for his years... his statements were thoughtful and well spoken. Wonder why he can't live with Dad part of the year.  

I hate when kids take care of parents.  

Dad kind of pissed me off. He left, which I sort of get but then never went back to see how his son was living? Never suggested his son come live with him? I don’t think you get to have righteous indignation about how your kid grows up when you are an absentee dad, video calls notwithstanding.

[Tango64]

20 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

Dad kind of pissed me off. He left, which I sort of get but then never went back to see how his son was living? Never suggested his son come live with him? I don’t think you get to have righteous indignation about how your kid grows up when you are an absentee dad, video calls notwithstanding.

Amen. I have very little sympathy for people who let their children live in absolute filth -- which I distinguish from mere "hoarding" of too much stuff. Living in a hoarding home is bad enough, but children living in filth because you're too lazy to throw out the trash is inexcusable.

The father gets no leniency from me. He left and saved himself but didn't care about his child enough to even know how he was living, much less rescue him.

[Mojeaux]

I skipped the "where are they now" (and associated discussion) and went to David and Elizabeth, and, halfway through the episode, I am commenting blind because I'm in a blind rage.

David is possibly the most vile human being ever to grace the landfills of Hoarders. I do not care in the least bit about Elizabeth's fault in this. He is just too repulsive for me to care about her "fault" in it.

"She was on the plain side." No, she wasn't, you motherfucker. She was adorable.

"I'd do it for [the stranger] before I'd do it for [my daughter]." We can extrapolate how he feels about doing it for his wife.

Okay, I got that off my chest. Back to the episode.

[JudyObscure]

7 hours ago, Mojeaux said:

David is possibly the most vile human being ever to grace the landfills of Hoarders.

LOL😃 I sure hope he reads this.  We know he watches TV all day because he didn't always have TV growing up 😕 but I'll bet he surfs the net a little while he's  "'doing financial business."

[Elizzikra]

David and Odette... yeesh. I don't even know where to start. First - David needs a paramedic during every stressful conversation yet he somehow thinks he's going to haul gravel and landscape his entire property???

[CrazyInAlabama]

New, "David and Odette", another Canadian edition episode.  I love seeing the different parts of Canada. 

From The Blue Mountains, Ontario  . David is in poor health from the hoard and vermin, and Odette, his wife, is sick of the hoard.   What a lovely house it was supposed to be, never completed, and falling apart.  He's been divorced before, and Odette is ready to leave.  He only can get into the house by using a step ladder into the kitchen.   Odette says she's leaving if the house isn't cleaned out.  David's daughter and Odette's son used to be married, and David and Odette have grandchildren in common.   

When Odette moved in most of her stuff wouldn't fit in the house, so it's outside rotting.  They had a furnace go boom, and 17,000 vinyl records worth about $100,000 were destroyed.   David claims Odette discovered online auctions, and wasted $100,000 of thei income.    David was much younger than his older broterh, and Tony was the mother's favorite.  He was molested repeatedly by his brother's partner.     He never told his parents. 

His first marriage collapsed from him being a workaholic, and he divorced again.  He has two kids with the first wife.  Samantha is his daughter. David never had time for his children.   She refuses to bring her four children to see David, and she says she doesn't think her brother's children even know who David is.  

The house is piled high with junk.   When David cut an artery in his leg, the paramedics couldn't get into the house, and Odette had to go outside to meet paramedics in the middle of a heart issue. David and Odette both have heart issues.   David also has fainting spells.  The stairs to the upper story are temporary construction stairs, and totally unsafe.  He hasn't used his design studio for 10 years.  

Psychologist is Sarah Ahmed.     Mike is David's friend, and Samantha, his daughter, will both be at the clean up.   

David collapses from dizziness, and has to be helped outside.  He's blaming the crafting materials Odette brought with her, for the front entrance blockade.  He says Odette has been adding to the hoard from her online auction purchases.Piles of tools and auto parts fill the driveway and yard.  David almost collapses again.  Samantha is touring the house with the organizer.  

My question is why Odette even set foot in the house when she married David? I'm so proud of Samantha for picking her children's safety over letting them be exposed to the hoard.  Later, Samantha brings two of her kids to the cleanup, so another adult child sacrificing her kids' wellbeing to suck up to a parent who will never care about them.    Why is Effy the organizer catering to David and Odette? I'm sure Sarah the psychologist will be doing that too.  The organizers and helpers should be wearing good respirators. 

Odette didn't show up for Day One, she's in the house.   Effy says they can only work with David's possessions, not Odette's or mutual items.  Odette is refusing to talk to anyone about removing the hoard. Odette says she's leaving David right now. After a 4-hour delay, Odette gives permission to clear the front doorway.   Front door area is clear, and they move on to empty the living room.  Odette finally comes out to join the clean-up to look at her stuff. 

Samantha tells David that if Odette is really leaving, she has to take her stuff with her.   In the middle of David's chest pains, Odette is going to confront him.  Then, the dresser stays.  The house is on a 2.5 acre lot, and it's full. David wants an auctioneer to evaluate the hoard. The outside hoard includes a sailboat, vehicles, camper trailers, tractor, utility trailer, which would sell for enough to landscape the yard area.   David claims his rusted out Bronco is worth as much as one that sold at auction for $187,000.   Odette is wanting to get rid of virtually everything, and David is refusing.   Samantha is a s$&% stirrer, and I'm all for it, anything to clean the hoard out is fine by me.  (From what I can find, this was filmed in 2021). 

Day Two-Odette claims to be leaving again, dog is sick, and Odette's with the dog.  The kitchen is being emptied, and it's full of dead rodents.   Samantha brought two of her kids to help.  Poor Mike, they find a funeral card for his late wife.  Odette's friend Edy is urging her to ditch stuff, but Odette's getting meaner, and keeping stuff.  The grandson's more mature than David is. 

A lot of stuff was donated.  The 'keep' pile is huge.  The three donation places only accepted 5% of what was on the donation truck. Then, David says trash everything, but he's only talking about the rejected donations.   Odette claims her pile of stuff are the only things she wants to keep. 

Day Three goal is to clear the catwalk, drafting room, and upstairs.  The catwalk railing on one side has caution tape on it.  Odette says everything in the garage and basement is David's.  David's now keeping almost everything, including outdated software. 

Samantha still expects her father to choose her and her children over the hoard, and he never will.   Odette is still whining at David. David and Odette are trashing a lot now. 

Day Four-David admits he went through the dumpsters during the night. Today is the cleaners working on the house, and put 'keep' junk back inside.  Sorry, that house is not fit to live in, no matter how clean they claim it is. David and Odette claim to love the cleaned out house.  There's still too much junk. There are piles of boxes, and you can see stacks of outdated electronics behind David. David and Odette claim they want aftercare.  I'm not buying the David and Odette happy scene at the end.   

Epilogue-They're still married, and working on the house. 

(A word of warning, anyone who has been exposed to vermin the way David & Odette, and the entire crew have been, make sure if you get sick you tell the medical personnel you've been exposed to rodents). 

(Next week is another Canadian Hoarders episode, Coral). 

Edited March 12 by CrazyInAlabama

[JudyObscure]

David and Odette sure did live in a beautiful place. Blue Mountain Ontario helps to make up for the cold misery of last week's Artic Ocean coastal village.

 Odette may or may not be a hoarder but I heartily disliked her.  Anyone who can sit and pout for four hours while 20 people wait outside for her is a spoiled brat in my eyes.  When David was crying over his dead wife and she walked up and said, "But now you have me!"  I wanted him to say it was a real down grade.

I thought they should have let David keep his software.  It wouldn't take up a lot of space and it was what he was used to working on, so who cares if it's outdated? Trying to tell him that his old self (well respected designer) was dead now and all he was, was a grandfather, seemed cruel and untrue to me.  Our talents don't quit existing when we retire.

  David's self esteem was taking hit after hit, his wife telling him she was leaving him, and  Goodwill telling him all his valued things were too trashy and useless for them, all had to hurt.  I think the kindest thing for the team to do would have been to go straight from the donation center to the landfill and not mention it to David.

That final reveal was so disappointing. This is what happens when men design houses.  Furniture placement never enters their heads and you end up with no wall space and all the furniture floating around in the middle in each other's way.

[CrazyInAlabama]

David was crying over his friend Mike's late wife.  That's why friend Mike looked so teary-eyed.  The friend's wife sounds like a lovely person, who was very kind to the two children that David didn't give a hoot about.       David's two exes were apparently still around. 

I couldn't believe David and Odette clinging to each other at the end.  Or that either one will get rid of anything more, or stop online shopping.   I feel sorry for the kids and grandkids who want either of them to love them. 

When the 22 year age difference with David's brother was mentioned, I had to wonder if that was his brother or his father, and the parents raised David without telling him the truth.   It wouldn't be the first case I heard of where that happened. 

I was disgusted that Samantha roped her two kids into cleaning up, and seeing the revolting behavior of their grandparents.   The children should never have been near that hoard, and it's vermin.    If Samantha is smart, she will stop trying to get her father and stepmother to care about her and her children, because David and Odette don't care about anyone but themselves.   It's a waste of time to try to get people to love you who are incapable of loving anyone. 

(Next Monday is about "Coral", another Canadian episode, and I think that's the end of the season). 

Edited March 13 by CrazyInAlabama

[Hedgehog2022]

This episode was kind of heart wrenching. David had alot of trauma...his childhood was terrible. A 22 year age difference between him and his brother is almost unbelievable...how would he and his brother ever be bonded brothers with that age difference? His parents favored his brother over him and then his brother's partner molested him? OMG! No wonder he became a hoarder...I would have recommended he get therapy ASAP. His wife was a nightmare...spoiled brat princess who gave me the vibe of being possibly an abuser. She was just awful in every way. His grandchildren shouldn't have been there...the boy seemed genuinely saddened and depressed seeing the hoard. He and his sister should not have been a part of the clean up...they are too young to process this properly.

[Mollywolly555]

Odette is MEAN,  self-centered, passive aggressive, agressive-agressive,  horrible. 

David is damaged. He has alot of hobbies, skills, and dreams, but ......limited time...24/7... like all of us, and probably less cuz of his age and health issues limiting his activity. Water and blood pressure is all the medic offered? Where were the EMTs with heart monitor, oxygen,  etc..  like in previous episodes???

Together they created a disaster.  

But I get it. Somewhat.  I  get David's goals for landscaping and designing/drawing again, because I'm retired and have several hobbies...and corresponding materials ...of which I had to limit myself on buying until I used what I had. 

Now I'm almost 70 and I know I can't do the big gardening or landscaping work/hauling anymore,  so I will need to get help AND scale back. I enjoyed the effort and results but just cannot do it.   Reality sucks. 

My point is that I don't understand why the therapist and organizer don't sit down with hoarders ahead of time and do a priority list of hobbies or plans that they love to do,  like to do,  and have to do.  Then have a reality talk about time and physicality wth them.  And remind them about their priorities as they sort. Too practical? 

Grandchildren can be at the top of the list, but with the hoarder being made aware of the legacy of stuff/junk and memories they will be leaving/burdening them with,  and developing an alternative future. A future of Christmas gatherings,  sleepovers, sharing a hobby or teaching skills, or talking about interesting family history, of course, not the abuse,  or whatever.( That said, I hated the guilt trip of using the grandson with  David... not healthy for either one ) 

Need a big poster with the info above on it to remind the hoarder as they sort. I know their hoarding/emotional issues run deeper, but it's a way of reframing the decision process. 

 

 

 

[Mojeaux]

What did Dr Tanya Hoarding do to her face?!

"Where are they now?"

CARL: I want to know how much of Carl's "new" indoors hoarding is the result of him trying to find the stuff that was packed away in boxes. They left A LOT of stuff behind. It wasn't a true "clean-out" to begin with.

ERIC: Looks MUCH better than he did the first time around. I'm impressed by his grooming. Almost a totally different dude.

DESTINY: She seems to have lost quite a bit of weight. Lots of energy. She's really put together. Good for her!

TERRI: I always felt like Kraig and Terri got married under pressure of the show. CERTAINLY, that proposal was completely staged.

JOHN: That little dark spot on Andi's upper lip looks like it could be a small melanoma. She's a sweetheart. Went from 4 storage units to 1? Wow. He made progress.

ANDY: Has pancreatic cancer. He has bigger problems than hoarding.

MERYL: That crying is fake.

JANET: Fourteen years?? I don't believe I saw her episode. *sad* But wow!

All in all, I'm just really really happy for Destiny and Janet.

[torontomeridith]

On 3/12/2024 at 2:22 PM, CrazyInAlabama said:

When the 22 year age difference with David's brother was mentioned, I had to wonder if that was his brother or his father, and the parents raised David without telling him the truth.   It wouldn't be the first case I heard of where that happened.

Same! It would still be the time when such "scandals" were covered up and the fact that the brother and his partner referred to David as their son really put the puzzle pieces together. I'd be shocked if David hadn't considered this possibility.

Additionally, maybe because David and Odette's grandson reminded me of my own kid, I felt so bad for him. He's really going through it, but his grandparents just don't see it clearly. They sing the lyrics of caring, but there's no music behind it. Just hollow sentiments.

[CrazyInAlabama]

(I think this is the season finale).   

Tonight, another Canadian Hoarders episode, "Coral".    From the show site: A woman with a farmhouse filled with art, crafts, instruments, board games, herbs and spices wants to create a community resource center to pass on her expertise, but first she needs help cleaning up her property and uncluttering her life.

She's from : Port Colborne, Ontario. She's originally from South Africa.  

The psychologist is Natasha Sharma.cleaner is Julio.  They always have outdated, unusable electronics.   I find it ironic she calls her massive hoard 'congrested', and claims it's all valuable.   Another artist who never creates anything from their junk.   She only has one way out in case of emergency.   

Jade is the middle daughter and the one who moved out because of the rat infestation.  Coral is angry because the daughter didn't take anything with her when she moved out a year ago.    Michael, Coral's husband still lives in the house.   The house is huge, and on a big piece of property.   I'm sure it was once a lovely house.  Khendra, the youngest daughter still lives in the house too.  Tanya is Coral's younger sister. Tanya says Coral virtually raised her younger brother, and parented Tanya too.     Coral's parents not only parentified her, but neglected the children.   Coral left home at 16.  The husband says Coral shops second hand and garage sales, and always buys a lot of stuff.  Coral is upset that husband and daughter don't do chores any longer, but how could they?  Mara is the oldest daughter and comes to help too. 

She's blaming the daughters and husband for not cleaning up.  She's also claiming the daughters are constantly on their phones, and don't interact with her.    The washer and dryer are under huge piles of clothes, and the dryer is blocking the back door.  Leaving only the front door as an emergency exit.  The city building standards department is going to fine Coral if the house isn't cleaned out and repaired.   

The cleaning expert, Julio,  brings up a great point, they have no idea how secure the second floor is with the load of the hoard, and how many people can safely work up there without the house collapsing. 

 Julio clears the back door area too, great idea.  At least there is an separate outside exit and staircase from the second floor.  After a decent start, Coral sees stuff in the dumpster that should be recycled or donated, and the refusal to cooperate starts.  Coral wants to keeps sofas the mice and rats nest in. This is hopeless.  Everyone should pack up, and call the city to report nothing changed on their way out of town.  

Coral claims she has to keep stuff so all of the family can do crafts together, that will never happen.   The poor pest control guy Truly Nolen Pest Control has a huge job ahead of him.  Natasha, the psychologist, isn't up to Coral, and her issues.   The husband is a total enabler.  He's so passive, and spineless.   He says if Coral died tomorrow, everything would be tossed the next day. 

Julio the cleaner, is trying to speed everything up, by having the daughters go through the second floor, and get rid of furniture from the second floor. Friends and relatives keep trying to talk sense to Coral, an exercise in futility and madness.      Coral is a lost cause.  I just feel sorry for the friends and relatives that thought she would actually clean up.   I don't feel sorry for Michael, he did nothing to help his daughters get away from the hoard.  

The last day, Natasha lets Coral lead the morning meeting, and Coral shows how delusional and nasty she is.  Coral is going to blow up any second. Coral is just churning, and going through the same items over and over.  Coral is a lost cause.  

The poor cleaning crew are doing their best, but the house is full of vermin and their contaminated residue.    The house looks decent, so where is everything?   There is no way Coral let stuff go like this.  The remaining furniture is junk.  The youngest daughter thinks the house won't get rehoarded, and she's so wrong. 

Epilogue-Coral is working with an aftercare therapist, all three daughter have started new craft projects in the home, and there have been no more vermin sightings.  (Where did all of that stuff go?  I'm not believing it went away). 

Edited March 19 by CrazyInAlabama

[lu1535]

Forgive me for going back to last week's show, but I was really hoping to see the oil leak mess in the basement. Is the oil still there? Did they dispose of the contaminated stuff? I bet not and the producers missed a great shock factor by not letting us see.

[JudyObscure]

7 minutes ago, lu1535 said:

Forgive me for going back to last week's show, but I was really hoping to see the oil leak mess in the basement.

And this week I was hoping to see some rats.  Did they get the rats all out before the stuff went back in? I also wanted to see the cat who produced all the hair.  We used to always get some cat footage and a good shot of pickles.

They sure did go from piles of filthy junk to a clean house in a short jump.

I think the reason we see so many totally whipped husbands on this show is that the stronger ones would never allow their wives to wreck their homes the way the level five hoarders have done. They would have put a stop to it at about level three for their children's sake.

Many of the women are stay at home moms like Coral and  the husband not only has to let her get away with failing to do her part in the division of labor (housework) he's giving her enough money to create the hoard. 

I think Jade had a crush on Julio.  I  noticed the way she looked at him.

Well a few weeks ago I mentioned all the ill fitting bras we see on the Hoarders, Coral and her daughters seemed to have solved that problem.  

[CrazyInAlabama]

I agree, where did all the massive piles of boxes and junk Coral kept go?   There was virtually nothing in the house compared to what she kept.   I wonder if there was a barn, or huge garage or other building packed full?    There is no way she actually got rid of that stuff.    I feel sorry for the daughters who think their mother will ever change.   Don't get me started on the useless husband, who enabled Coral for all of these years, at the cost of his daughters growing up in that hell hole.   I bet that house was packed full the second the Hoarders crew left.  

[Stevie Nicks]

5 hours ago, lu1535 said:

Forgive me for going back to last week's show, but I was really hoping to see the oil leak mess in the basement. Is the oil still there? Did they dispose of the contaminated stuff? I bet not and the producers missed a great shock factor by not letting us see.

As I recall, there was a still shot of the basement showing everything covered in oil. I don't remember seeing anything else. 

Coral was a real bitch. Blame the kids for not cleaning up. Sure. She showed her true colors the day she called the meeting. Bitch. Her husband is so whipped he just checked out and dgaf anymore. That house is still full of vermin, I'm sure. And mold and whatever other structural issues. 

[Elizzikra]

1 hour ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

I agree, where did all the massive piles of boxes and junk Coral kept go?   There was virtually nothing in the house compared to what she kept.   I wonder if there was a barn, or huge garage or other building packed full?    There is no way she actually got rid of that stuff.    I feel sorry for the daughters who think their mother will ever change.   Don't get me started on the useless husband, who enabled Coral for all of these years, at the cost of his daughters growing up in that hell hole.   I bet that house was packed full the second the Hoarders crew left.  

I wonder if they didn’t just leave it all outside, under tarps.

 

4 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

And this week I was hoping to see some rats.  Did they get the rats all out before the stuff went back in? I also wanted to see the cat who produced all the hair.  We used to always get some cat footage and a good shot of pickles.

I’m phobic of rats so I’m just as glad not to have seen them but yes, usually we do get some shots of them gleefully taking over the house. I laughed when Coral announced during her tantrum that everything about her life was deliberate. Yeah - I’m sure living in a literal rat’s nest was a deliberate plan on her part.

 

4 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

They sure did go from piles of filthy junk to a clean house in a short jump.

I think the reason we see so many totally whipped husbands on this show is that the stronger ones would never allow their wives to wreck their homes the way the level five hoarders have done. They would have put a stop to it at about level three for their children's sake.

We also didn’t see a group of poor, beleaguered house cleaners trying to take care of 30 years worth of mess in a couple hours. 

I do think the strong spouses leave, which is fine as long as they don’t leave the kids and the pets behind. So many of them do and I honestly don’t know how they do that. I think they have their own special kind of denial. The spouses who are less able to set and maintain boundaries stay, like Coral’s husband. I guess maybe some stay because they just can’t afford anything else, but…

[CrazyInAlabama]

They did show the housecleaners, but briefly.   I suspect the hoard was in the back yard, under tarps or in some out building, because they never showed the back after the first few drone scenes of the entire property.    

In the Lori episode (the lady in the lovely town in Nunavut) they had a shipping container filling up with boxes, but apparently she's cleaned it out, and kept the house clean, and it's been a couple of years. 

 In Coral's case, I'm not believing the epilogue, and I'm sure there is a bunch of stuff in boxes somewhere.  If they really haven't seen more rats running around, then I wouldn't be surprised if they relocated to where ever the mountain of boxed stuff that mysteriously disappeared.   I don't believe anyone really looked at Coral's house, and they just take her word about the conditions.   

Edited March 20 by CrazyInAlabama

[Suzywriter]

On 3/17/2024 at 5:15 PM, torontomeridith said:

Same! It would still be the time when such "scandals" were covered up and the fact that the brother and his partner referred to David as their son really put the puzzle pieces together. I'd be shocked if David hadn't considered this possibility.

Additionally, maybe because David and Odette's grandson reminded me of my own kid, I felt so bad for him. He's really going through it, but his grandparents just don't see it clearly. They sing the lyrics of caring, but there's no music behind it. Just hollow sentiments.

I wondered if David was from a beard marriage from before "big brother" came out (or got caught). 

 

[Mollywolly555]

Coral is puffed up with the noble purposes to save stuff from landfill, create art and scrapbooks, put leaves/seeds in jars, and give everything a home...as well as blaming her daughters for not cleaning up.... fur years. Why didn't child welfare come in sooner?

She talks with a high and mighty, saving the earth vibe, while  the rats eat the stuff and mold contaminates everything she buys cuz she shops instead of doing her projects, and therfore does not have space to craft at home. She's working against herself to ever do any projects. 

Plus for Goddess sake, point out that NO One wants stuff that was exposed to rat droppings, urine, or mold. That's those mental illness delusions talking

Why didn't the psych or cleaner [or anyone point out her hypocrisy to her?

I really believe they only got the upstairs cleaned out...due to Coral's interfering and nitpicking.  I think she's ADD cuz of her flitting around, lack of focus,  and multiple projects. Again, prioritize crafts/projects and let other crap go. 

I think the downstairs was still packed 26th crap and they just didn't show it, OR that's where all the boxes are being stored. Welcome back rats! 

[Rapunzel]

19 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

They did show the housecleaners, but briefly.   I suspect the hoard was in the back yard, under tarps or in some out building, because they never showed the back after the first few drone scenes of the entire property. 

The opening aerial shot of the home showed I think 3 shed-type buildings. Not sure if they belong to Coral, but I didn’t see any other houses near them. If they are hers, I’m guessing they are fully hoarded out. 

They have a habit of never showing all the rooms in the house at the end so I suspect a lot of the hoarders have rooms just full of boxes that they fully intend to get to later (yeah right). 🙄

I’m not as big a fan of the Canadian version. The “experts” don’t seem to have much personality and aren’t as involved as Dorothy, Dr. Z (bee stung looking face and all), Matt and Cory. I don’t think we saw Cory this season though. He can be a bit of an a**, but he isn’t afraid to be very direct with the hoarders and their friends/family. 

Edited March 20 by Rapunzel

[enoughcats]

We bought our place about thirty years ago and have an 18 mile drive to the city.  For decades I watched a double carport that was full of stuff. No cars, just stuff, from the floor to the ceiling and solidly packed making it look as if it had been carved out of stuff. 

Somehow, the stuff is now gone. Not scattered over the property.  Now there's a pontoon boat stored there and a car. And nothing on top of either.

I wonder what caused the salvation of that carport.

[JudyObscure]

1 hour ago, enoughcats said:

wonder what caused the salvation of that carport.

Death and re-sale I'm guessing.  Long before this show, we would regularly pass a cute little house in WV, perched on top of a hill and completely surrounded by ten foot high piles of colorful clothes.  I miss it now that normal people seem to live there.

 

4 hours ago, Mollywolly555 said:

Coral is puffed up with the noble purposes to save stuff from landfill, create art and scrapbooks, put leaves/seeds in jars, and give everything a home...as well as blaming her daughters for not cleaning up.... fur years. 

Of all the irritating things about hoarders, that's the one that aggravates me the most. A few seasons back a woman looked into the camera and lectured us all about WASTE while standing in the middle of her sky scarpers of QVC boxes.

  I really, really want someone to tell them that nothing is more wasteful than buying  thousands of dollars worth of stuff they don't need and that there is absolutely  no difference between a landfill and their living room.

I wanted some one to ask Coral how many illnesses she has cured with her mouse chewed dead herbs and why she has her stuff in her daughters' rooms and ask to see some of the "fabric art," she created.

[CrazyInAlabama]

On 3/20/2024 at 6:36 AM, Rapunzel said:

The opening aerial shot of the home showed I think 3 shed-type buildings. Not sure if they belong to Coral, but I didn’t see any other houses near them. If they are hers, I’m guessing they are fully hoarded out. 

They have a habit of never showing all the rooms in the house at the end so I suspect a lot of the hoarders have rooms just full of boxes that they fully intend to get to later (yeah right). 🙄

I’m not as big a fan of the Canadian version. The “experts” don’t seem to have much personality and aren’t as involved as Dorothy, Dr. Z (bee stung looking face and all), Matt and Cory. I don’t think we saw Cory this season though. He can be a bit of an a**, but he isn’t afraid to be very direct with the hoarders and their friends/family. 

Matt was the cleaning expert on the St. Louis episode with Bob (the fantastic artist who wanted to change his home into a museum) .  Cory revisited Meryl, in Massachusetts.      Matt and Cory weren't on other episodes this season.  

Edited March 24 by CrazyInAlabama

[Rapunzel]

8 minutes ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

Matt was the cleaning expert on the St. Louis episode with Bob.  Cory revisited Meryl, in Massachusetts.      Matt and Cory weren't on other episodes this season.  

Thanks - I can’t remember the Cory episode very well. I may have to re-watch. I did notice the they used Dorothy the most this season. I like her personality and she has a lot of empathy for the hoarders as well as their loved ones. Sometimes though you need a Cory to just be firm and direct, especially with the most stubborn hoarders. 
 

I don’t think Matt spent the night in any houses this season. It’s always interesting to see it from his viewpoint in there in the dark on his own (well, with a camera person). Most of these homes I wouldn’t be able to spend 5 minutes in alone, never mind overnight. 

Edited March 20 by Rapunzel

[enoughcats]

Am I the only one here who no longer looks as row upon row of self storage units (that seem to multiply like un-neutered large dogs) without inserting some profane adjectives before saying "storage sheds"?

I think the town closest to us now has one shed per house, and the sheds continue to multiply, faster than houses are built. 

[JudyObscure]

2 hours ago, enoughcats said:

Am I the only one here who no longer looks as row upon row of self storage units (that seem to multiply like un-neutered large dogs) without inserting some profane adjectives before saying "storage sheds"?

I think the town closest to us now has one shed per house, and the sheds continue to multiply, faster than houses are built. 

Oh yes, my street  mainly consists of older retired couples.  Yet all our houses have, three car garages.  So we should all have plenty of  garage space for mowers and rakes.  Nope.  We're the only house that doesn't have a shed in the back and our yards would look so much prettier with out them.  At least they make a nice home for possums and ground hogs.

[Maisiesmom]

Well I got all caught up last night. David and Odette were such a joke-why would she marry someone who was so bad that she couldn't even bring her stuff in the house? Did she not see the inside before they got married? I think his "dizzy spells" were bullshit-just a way to make people feel sorry for him. And his wife? One minute she's mad at him and the next she's hugging and kissing him and the next she won't talk to anyone and won't throw anything away and has to bring the poor dog along because it doesn't feel good? WTF?  And don't get me started on Coral-she has a wimp for a husband, (at least her girls were cool) and is another one of these people that has to touch every damn item and wants to keep crap that has rodent waste on it? Um, no. That house was so bad I think I would just burn it down and start over. My sister was a hoarder (we didn't know until after she died) and my husband is one also. However, he was recently diagnosed with dementia so what I do is pitch stuff while hes sleeping (which he does a lot) and he doesn't really notice.I know the only way for me to get rid of his stuff is after he dies then I can really clean it all out.

[satrunrose]

One thing I find interesting about hoarding is that I don't know a lot of other run-of-the-mill mental illnesses (especially OCD and anxiety, which hoarding is most closely associated with) where so many of the patients seem very convinced that they are far superior to the rest of us. Cora wanted to start a community centre to teach people her ways for heaven's sake!

I felt really bad for the daughters. They didn't seem to mind that their mom was blaming the whole thing on them and then proved that she was lying when they talked about how the house was always like that and they never realized you could live in a clean, non-ratty house before they started spending time at other people's houses. 

[Elizzikra]

2 hours ago, satrunrose said:

I don't know a lot of other run-of-the-mill mental illnesses (especially OCD and anxiety, which hoarding is most closely associated with) where so many of the patients seem very convinced that they are far superior to the rest of us.

That is an interesting thought! I am somewhat knowledgeable about Eating Disorders. Many people with EDs think that they are superior to other people in terms of their ability to severely limit intake. They can think they are almost superhuman in their ability to go days and days without food and sometimes they see themselves as superior to their “weaker” peers who have to eat. 

Narcissists see themselves as the center of attention; the center of the world. They definitely view themselves as superior to other people.

Schizophrenics can have delusions that they have special powers; have been anointed by God, or are otherwise “superior” in some ways.

Those are just a few off the top of my head but I am now terribly curious about the phenomenon of feelings of superiority being a feature of mental illness.

[satrunrose]

7 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

That is an interesting thought! I am somewhat knowledgeable about Eating Disorders. Many people with EDs think that they are superior to other people in terms of their ability to severely limit intake. They can think they are almost superhuman in their ability to go days and days without food and sometimes they see themselves as superior to their “weaker” peers who have to eat. 

Narcissists see themselves as the center of attention; the center of the world. They definitely view themselves as superior to other people.

Schizophrenics can have delusions that they have special powers; have been anointed by God, or are otherwise “superior” in some ways.

Those are just a few off the top of my head but I am now terribly curious about the phenomenon of feelings of superiority being a feature of mental illness.

Agreed, I was trying to find a way to distinguish between anxiety/depression/OCD and ED/narcissism/schizophrenia but didn't quite make it. 

The more I watch Hoarders, the more I wonder if it's not just one disease. Some hoarders do seem more depressed than anything (I find those are the ones that have the most positive end, although the follow-up isn't always so great). Some do seem anxious with a heaping helping of defensiveness (I had plans for that!). Those are the ones I try to watch when I'm trying to de-clutter. I'm not a hoarder, but I do have more stuff than I need due to "but I might be able to use it!". Then there are the Sonias who are sure that they are the superior people and that the organizers are there to bend the laws of physics and get 100% of the stuff that isn't literal trash back in the house and "organized" somehow. 

[enoughcats]

A friend is faced with the discovery that her sister is a hoarder.  Maybe fortunately this discovery was made before the sister's death.  The sister,. though, is 80. 

Have you read anything about how folks can deal with hoarders of this age and who really don't think they have a problem?

[enoughcats]

Now a brief trip to not so jolly olde England where a "fly tipper" has hoarded out a fourteen hectare bit of land formerly called a "Beauty spot" .  To the neighbors dismay, they're going to be the ones whose community will pay to clean it and in a similar action, the fly tipper got a suspended sentence. 

Interesting photos and some video from a drone.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13294367/Life-living-Britains-worst-fly-tipper-landowner-branded-neighbour-hell-turned-14-hectare-beauty-spot-personal-landfill-site-locals-hope-never-comes-area-blighted.html

[JudyObscure]

The Daily Mail's  slang always makes it hard for me to understand their articles, but in spite of having to look up "fly-tipping " (illegal dumping) and "beauty spot" (a place in the countryside which is famous because it is beautiful) it was an amazing story. At first I thought he didn't own the land, but it's his so he must be fairly well to do. 

How can one human destroy so much land in just a few years, merely by living on it?  I hope this guy does some real jail time. 

 

[CrazyInAlabama]

New, 10/07/2024, "Tim" Season 16, Episode 1, 7 to 9 pm central, 8 to 10 pm eastern

"Hoarding cars and car parts is Tim's way to cope; Tim intends to fix and sell the stuff, but he never does; his wife, DeeDee, refuses to return home to the mess, and they face the possibility of divorce if he doesn't clean up his hoard."

Tim lives in  Ben Wheeler, TX  with his wife DeeDee.  Nice brick house, with 10 3/4 acres with 40 vehicles scattered around.   Including an old semi trailer in the yard.   DeeDee went to work near their old house, in Tyler.  DeeDee used that as a way to distance herself from Tim and his hoard. 

DeeDee has told Tim that if he doesn't clean up she's going to divorce him. For once, I would be thrilled to see the enabling spouse actually leave and not come back.  They all threaten, but don't leave. DeeDee's sisters have tried to help clean up, but Tim won't do it.   Tim is also facing fines from the city Fire Marshal, up to $5,000.  DeeDee still claims Tim is a good guy. 

Shrink is Dr. Tolin.  Organizer is Dorothy Breininger, who needs forklift people, tow trucks, scrap dealers to clear the vehicles off of the property. DeeDee moved to the other job in 2019, and Tim closed his garage, and started hoarding engine parts and vehicles.  I hate to think of the pollution from all of those leaking wrecked vehicles. 

I love DeeDee's sisters, Donna and Debbie, really calling Tim out. Tim has me feeling hope, until he says the hoard isn't all his wife's fault.  The sister is exactly right, you don't do this to someone you love.  My view is you don't blame your wife for your hoard either.   

Dorothy warns the organizer and junk crews, Stand Up Guys,  to be careful in the heat, over 100 degrees.  There are keep cars (7), sell cars sold to a dealer, and scrap cars. There's a tire buyer coming, he'll pay $3 per tire, and there are 220 or so tires, he lets 140 go. I agree with the wife, this is taking too long.   Dr. Tolin adds his long winded suck up to the hoarder. Tires are gone, semi trailer is gone and some cars gone,  5 tons of scrap metal and trash went on day 1. 

Day 2-Tim starts pushing back.  Dorothy's rah-rah routine is getting on my last nerve.  Tim's attitude is turning ugly.   DeeDee is getting sick of Tim's keeping junk.   Dorothy butts into the argument between Tim and DeeDee.  They keep clashing all day.   Tim is again blaming DeeDee for everything.  Dr Tolin is irritating me more than Tim is, with his excuses for Tim's behavior.   Debby, DeeDee's sister is upset about the house hoard.   The auto recycling company shows up, The Junkies.   Tim makes $2825 from selling 39 junked cars.  

Day 3 - Tolin is pushing back at Tim's willingness to clear the house out completely.  Dorothy pulls her usual routine, demanding Tim look at everything. Tim fakes Dorthy out.  Then, Dr. Tolin chimes in again to cause issues in his relationship with his wife.   He claims his wife doesn't love him.   Lots of progress, house cleaned out

Day 4-Cleaners come to work in the house.  And Tolin is butting into the marriage again.   

Reveal shows the yard looks great, Dorothy turned the semi trailer into a workshop.   House is cleaned up and freshly painted and looks lovely.  Kitchen needs some work.   Tim has a music room.  Main bedroom looks so good.  This will give Tim and DeeDee to start over.  Time earned $3,010 selling cars, tires, and scrap.  Fire Marshal won't fine Tim. Tolin wants Tim to get aftercare.  Tim and DeeDee will stay together for now. The crews bought Tim and DeeDee replacement wedding rings they lost in a previous house fire. 

Epilogue: DeeDee says it's going well with Tim. Tim is rehoarding and buying stuff to get his shop restarted Tim and DeeDee plan to go to aftercare together.  

 

New, 10/07/2024, "Where Are They Now: Nathan and Kathy",  Season 16 WATN Episode 1. 

"Revisiting Nathan in Florida and Kathy in Montana; featuring Standolyn Robertson and Dorothy Breininger, who offer their guidance and support to these individuals on their journey towards recovery."  It's been 8 years since the original episodes were filmed.  

Nathan is from Season 8, 2016, when he came out as gay, his fundie family threw him out.   He collected rocks, troll dolls, glass, shiny things.  He was kicked out by his father when he came out to them, parents are fundie.  Nathan's father finally apologizes to Nathan for rejecting him. His mother always accepted and supported him.  Nathan really cleaned out.   He moved to Florida to live with his father, and try to mend their relationship. 

I'm very surprised Standolyn is filming again. She looks so happy.   Now, Nathan lives in Starke, Florida, and looks happy.  I'm so glad to see Standolyn.  A month after the episode was filmed he moved back to his dad's place, for six years.  He still has some stuff he moved back  in a POD.  He did therapy.  He still wants to collect, but doesn't. 

He moved to his own place a couple of years ago.  He's living with a friend, who declined to be on camera.  Nathan keeps the property up for his friend.  He's maintaining his clean house.  The house looks gorgeous.  His room is lovely.  He's a success story.   (Starke, FL is above Gainesville, and I hope he's safe from the recent hurricanes). 

Kathy is from 2016 Season 8, a former dance instructor. s also hoarded out her former dance studio.  She lives in Montana. She is the mother of 14.   She has hoarded her home, two aparments shoue could be renting out, and the dance studio.    She will lose all if she can't clean out and rent the two aparments, and possibly the dance studiio.    He son says Kathy's temper was unpredictable, and violent.  She admits physical and mental abuse of her children. Dothey Breininger was the organizer, to work on the two aparments and dance studio.  Tolin was the psychologist.   The family pitches in and cleans out a lot of garbage.  Helping with this is traumatic for the adult children from Kathy's abuse.   Some children left the clean up after Kathy is complaining about Dorothy picking on her about the hoard.  Tolin chimes in again about how nice the adult kids are to Kathy.   Too little too late.  One daughter would like an apology.  Kathy cleans up.   The apartments are clean, and The rental untis were supposed to be rented the next month.   Nothing is shown about the dance studio. 

Dorothy visits, Great Falls, Montana, 9 years after the clean up Not a surprise to me. April, Kathy's daughter welcomes Dorothy to the rental units, that are still clean and rented.   Kathy's health is declining, she's 83. 

Dorothy goes upstairs to Kathy's space.  Dorothy discovers Kathy has rehoarded again. The upstairs is hideous, just about before cleanup.  Everything left downstairs was moved upstairs, and created the hoard very quickly after the clean up.  Kathy claims it was gradual, but I don't believe her. There isn't even a path upstairs.  Kathy has old stuff, and new stuff.  The boxed stuff Kathy was supposed to go through after the cleanup moved upstairs and stayed.  Kathy won't let any cleanups happen. `The adult children rarely visit, I think Kathy doesn't want them around, so she keeps people away with the hoard.  

 Dorothy wants Kathy to do another clean up.  That's never going to happen.  

 

 

Edited October 8 by CrazyInAlabama

[Elizzikra]

On 10/6/2024 at 10:18 AM, CrazyInAlabama said:

New season starts tomorrow, A&E, 7 to 9 central, 8 to 10 eastern. 

New, 10/07/2024, "Tim" Season 16, Episode 1, 7 to 9 pm central, 8 to 10 pm eastern

"Hoarding cars and car parts is Tim's way to cope; Tim intends to fix and sell the stuff, but he never does; his wife, DeeDee, refuses to return home to the mess, and they face the possibility of divorce if he doesn't clean up his hoard."

For once, I would be thrilled to see the enabling spouse actually leave and not come back.  They all threaten, but don't leave. 

New, 10/07/2024, "Where Are They Now: Nathan and Kathy", 

This airs at 9:01 pm central time, and 10:01 pm eastern

"Revisiting Nathan in Florida and Kathy in Montana; featuring Standolyn Robertson and Dorothy Breininger, who offer their guidance and support to these individuals on their journey towards recovery."

(If Nathan is the right subject, then when he came out as gay, his funie family threw him out)  (If Kathy is the right subject, then she collects dead animals, and uses them for art pieces, also hoarded out her former dance studio).  

 

Thanks for the heads up - I didn’t know this was coming back. Dorothy gives me a headache. I think she means well but she pretends she is a therapist and all of her clients are children. It drives me nuts.

[CrazyInAlabama]

I didn't know it was coming back until the ad I saw yesterday.   I don't really remember Nathan or Cathy, their original shows must have been a long time ago.  

I agree about Dorothy.  The worst was when she was working at the house in the Pacific Northwest, where the woman inherited it, and hoarded it full.  She kept awarding the hoarder badges for the number of bins that were taken out.  I found it condescending, and ridiculous.    I'm watching the 1 hour rerun of Tami and George, and Dorothy is the same then, just not as over the top as she is now. 

After seeing the epilogue about Tim, my guess is DeeDee either left for good, or is living in a hoard again.   I hope she left.   I liked her and her sisters.  

Edited October 8 by CrazyInAlabama

[Elizzikra]

I liked Tim. I think he genuinely loved his wife and I felt for him when he said she made him feel small. I give him credit for not saying that in front of her sisters. I liked that he got rid of so much stuff so quickly, though it was a shame to see how much damage had been done to the house underneath the hoard. I was sorry and disappointed to see that it looks like he was backsliding a bit after the crew left. I hope they can hold it all together.

Dr. Tolan has the patient of a saint. I don't know what he snorts, swallows or smokes to get that way but I want some...

[enoughcats]

Thanks for the heads up.  

I want to watch Tim and his cars.  In the time Hoarders has been on Mr. Ecats has thought it would be fun to have several old British cars.  This is a thing that other men accumulate and then they get together and talk about what has broken recently. 

In our barn there is a Chevy convertible that's been there since 1995.  The owner agreed to move it before 2000.  There's also a ?'38 Packard in Boxes, actually a Packard and a half, be thankful there aren't two.  

Just as there was a series about pet hoarders, a series about men and their hoarded cars would be educational, and I'll bet that not a single one would call it hoarding.  

Thank God for barns and corn cribs to fill with cars. 

[Gravity Check]

My DVR always cuts off the end of Hoarders, so I missed the Tim epilogue. Thanks for providing it. Gonna change the settings to have it record five minutes longer so it's not necessary to come here every week just to figure out what happens.

Tim and DeeDee both seemed like intelligent people, and I hope they make it. I thought DeeDee's true alliance/partnership was with her sisters rather than her husband, and while having a strong family to back you up is important, she really did treat Tim as a second-class citizen in the marriage.

Here's hoping. No caked toilets, no dead animals, I'm happy.

Edited October 12 by Gravity Check

[Elizzikra]

11 hours ago, Gravity Check said:

 

Tim and DeeDee both seemed like intelligent people, and I hope they make it. I thought DeeDee's true alliance/partnership was with her sisters rather than her husband, and while having a strong family to back you up is important, she really did treat Tim as a second-class citizen in the marriage.

 

I didn’t think DeeDee learned anything. It’s always easy to blame everything on the person with the identified disorder and a lot of times, there is a lot of truth in that. But DeeDee definitely had patterns in the relationship of talking down to Tim and making him feel small (I teared up a little the first time he said that) and she didn’t ever really own up to that. She didn’t learn anything about not nagging him so he wouldn’t get so defensive. I think over time, the problems will resume.

[satrunrose]

I noticed in the Kathy update that her daughter said "she just can't resist a good deal" but like many hoards, so much of it seemed to be cardboard, old food packaging and general trash. Is "I like bargains" a convenient excuse to hide the fact that they can't throw anything out, even trash, or does the excessive shopping make it so hard to get around that they can't deal with the things they actually could part with (ie garbage)?

[CrazyInAlabama]

New, 10/14/2024, Season 16 Episode 2, "Montie and Sherry" 

"Montie and Sherry,  find themselves in a dire situation as their daughter, Audora, contemplates involving adult protection services due to their living conditions; Montie and Sherry attempt to clean up the property with the help of the "Hoarders" team."

Montie, 74 years old,  and Sherry, Mentone, California. Another mechanic.  Cute house from the outside, except the yard is disgusting, looks like a junk yard, and city officials have noticed. Audora, their daughter hasn't been in the house in 20 years.   Brenda, another daughter hasn't been in the house for 25 years.   Stella, the middle daughter hasn't been in the house in 25 years either.   Montie's been fined 8 times by codes enforcement. 

4 months ago there was an accident, Montie got caught between a truck and a telephone pole, and he was badly injured.   Audora saw the house then, and threatened to call Adult Protective Services, because of the unsafe conditions.  Sherrie still cooks on one gas burner on the stove.   Audora's daughter Rhyanon,  and grandchildren don't go to the house, but great grandparents go visit them with their germs wafting behind them.  Montie has PTSD from 27 months in Vietnam.  

Behavioral Therapist (psychologist) is Dr. Dinorah Nieves, organizer is Dorothy Breininger, crew is from Junk Dawgs, and the Boss Organizing team.   .   It will used front loaders, tow trucks, and skip loader (somethinn else big if I got the name wrong).   Sherrie blames the hoard on going to work, and coming home to sleeps, and being too busy to clean up. Montie blames the hoard on his Vietnam service, and when he came home he was spit on.  Stella and Rhyanon tour the home.  

Day One-Plan is to clear the back part of the yard.   Montie will decide if it's keep, trash, or metal scrap. Montie breaks down, and refuses to keep going, and leaves.  Dorothy go to talk to Montie in the middle of his tantrum, and that's a bad idea.  Anything to keep filming going. 

The codes enforcement officer drops by.  Clean, safe and sanitary condition for interior and exterior have to be cleaned up, all inoperative vehicles must be stored in a garage, and full access for emergency personnel.  Montie pitches another tirade.  (Where they live is far east of Riverside, almost in the mountains). Tim, the Code Enforcement officer for San Bernardino County, tours the house.  He says house is unlivable. There is no way for rescue personnel to get into the house, or Montie and Sherry to get out in an emergency.  Backside of yard is emptied.  1 ton of trash gone, dumpster of metal gone. 

Day Two-Grandson joins the cleanout. Dorothy says only running vehicles can stay, and the big portable crane. Mother tells Audora to go bleep herself.  Dr. Nieves goes to talk to Sherry.   Dr. Nieves gets Sherry and Montie back working. They started working in the house, especially that hideous bathroom.   Front yard is finished. 16 tons of vehicles and scrap are gone.   

Day Three-Goal is to clear house in one day. House has to be gutted and rebuilt on Day Four. Montie melts down  over his metal going to scrap. Workers coming out of house are covered in thick dust.   Montie then melts down over a nasty filthy comforter.   I keep expecting Montie to start raging and fall over. 

Day Four-Yard and house were cleaned out. They redid the entire bathroom.  Code Enforcement officer his inspecting the property. House may be cleaned out, but it's still in rough shape.  Codes enforcement says yard is 90% there, and house is habitable.  One old tractor has flower pots on it and in it.   

Kitchen has new appliances, bathroom is beautiful.  Bedroom looks nice. 

Epilogue-Sherry is keeping house clean and tidy. Montie is better and back at work

Audora died right after the clean up, R.I.P.Audora.  

 

 

Followed by Where Are They Now, 10/14/2024, Forrest and Claire. I guess this is season 16, episode 2.  

"With support from experts Dr. Robin Zasio and Dorothy Breininger, Forrest and Claire receive guidance and strategies to continue"

Claire from Chicago, first shown on season 5, Episode 10, (2012) (she was shown with husband Vance, they were the book hoarders.  Since Vance is not listed, I'm guessing it's not good news. ) (There was a 2016 Where Are They Now that featured Claire and several other hoarders).

House was stacked to the ceiling with books.   As heavy as books are, I'm shocked the house didn't collapse. Vance didn't think the book piles and avalanches were dangerous.   Claire gave up her books, to keep Vance's books. Vance spent the clean out sitting in his car and sulking.  Vance finally gets rid of some books. 20,000 books gone doesn't make a dent.  Only two rooms cleared. The kitchen was cleared, bathroom was good, and one room.   They both worked with aftercare, and cleared another room.  

Claire is visited by Dorothy Breininger, 13 years after the first clean up.   Vance died of heart failure in 2016. There was a flood in the basement, and 350 boxes of books were put backin the basement. She's sleeping in the living room.   Even though Vance is gone, Claire still hasn't cleaned out.  Kitchen is cleaned out. Unfortunately someone Claire told him to clean out, were cleaned out, and stolen from her.  I'm shocked the house is still standing.  If anyone ever  really clears everything out, they will have to do so carefully, to avoid the house collapsing.  Dorothy's delusional, 200,000 books aren't worht $5.00 each, and $1 million.    I'm sure she has more than 200,000  books, Dorothy thinks 500,000 books is more accurate.  Claire will have to hire people to move, and list the books for her.  She's sold 300 titles, through her online Ebay bookstore, and wants to continue it.  I bet 99% of those books are pulp value only.   

Forrest from Fredericksburg VA, featured Season 12 Episode 2, 2021.   I'm surprised the HOA didn't foreclose in the seven years. His yard looks like a junk yard.   Forrest's friend Vista was pushing to clean out, but Forrest didn't want to.  Matt Paxton was the cleaning, and Dr. Zasio was the psychologist.   The garage was packed full.  After, house is still full walls.    Forrest allowed 20,000 lbs to be taken out of house.  However, several rooms were never cleaned out.   

Forrest lost his eyesight and had surgery, but died in 2023 of pneumonia.  Son AJ meets Dr. Zasio at the house.  

Visited by Dr. Zasio. AJ is taking care of the house, the house, everything is cleaned out, painted, and ready for sale.  Someone bought everything in the living room. AJ had 8 estate sales in two months. Dr Zasio shares a thank you letter Forrest wrote her.   House was cleaned out front and back.   

 

(Next week, 10/21/2024, regular episode Terri,Season 16 Episode 3,  followed by WATN about Tim from Texas from last week, and Montie and Sherrie from this week).

Edited October 15 by CrazyInAlabama