Everybody Loves Raymond - General Discussion

[ByTor]

8 hours ago, ljenkins782 said:

I don't think I've ever seen this one, I'll have to go look for it.

You're in for a treat, it was a funny one. 

The best line? "Yeah, well, nice try, egg-ass." 😂

[Laura Holt]

Just watched the episode (first in a 3 or 4 episode arc) where Marie and Debra have a huge fight and stop speaking to each other.  This episode, to me, is a good example of what I really like about ELR. 

The whole fight made sense - this was very real, played for laughs, but real.  Debra overreacted when Marie showed up unannounced with two friends - she embarrassed Marie and I didn't blame Marie for being angry about that.  However, and this is a big however, after that everything else was on Marie.  She was a complete and total bitch.

Anyway I liked that it wasn't a straightforward situation, there was some nuances there.

I look forward to the episode where things get resolved - The Cult, definitely one of my top 10 - preceded though by one I really dislike, the flashbook to Marie interfering and trying to prevent Debra and Ray (still boyfriend/girlfriend at this point) from having sex.  Ugh.  All levels of inappropriate in this one!

Edited September 10, 2023 by Laura Holt

[TVMovieBuff]

13 hours ago, Laura Holt said:

Just watched the episode (first in a 3 or 4 episode arc) where Marie and Debra have a huge fight and stop speaking to each other.  This episode, to me, is a good example of what I really like about ELR. 

The whole fight made sense - this was very real, played for laughs, but real.  Debra overreacted when Marie showed up unannounced with two friends - she embarrassed Marie and I didn't blame Marie for being angry about that.  However, and this is a big however, after that everything else was on Marie.  She was a complete and total bitch.

Anyway I liked that it wasn't a straightforward situation, there was some nuances there.

I look forward to the episode where things get resolved - The Cult, definitely one of my top 10 - preceded though by one I really dislike, the flashbook to Marie interfering and trying to prevent Debra and Ray (still boyfriend/girlfriend at this point) from having sex.  Ugh.  All levels of inappropriate in this one!

Good episode. I liked how Ray & Frank started arguing too, with Ray defending Marie, and Frank taking Debra's side. I have seen that irl and it brings out some hidden feelings. 

Ray: She could have given Mom a little joy!

Frank: Who is she to demand joy when Debra is wrestling with the damn kids?

Ray: She didn't have to be so rude!

Frank: Rude is the only thing she understands!

[Vanderboom]

5 hours ago, TVMovieBuff said:

Good episode. I liked how Ray & Frank started arguing too, with Ray defending Marie, and Frank taking Debra's side. I have seen that irl and it brings out some hidden feelings. 

Ray: She could have given Mom a little joy!

Frank: Who is she to demand joy when Debra is wrestling with the damn kids?

Ray: She didn't have to be so rude!

Frank: Rude is the only thing she understands!

"I used to be a GENTLEMAN!" 😁

[Guest]

19 hours ago, Vanderboom said:

"I used to be a GENTLEMAN!" 😁

I don't think I believe that one. ;)

[ByTor]

On 9/10/2023 at 7:29 PM, Laura Holt said:

the flashbook to Marie interfering and trying to prevent Debra and Ray (still boyfriend/girlfriend at this point) from having sex.  Ugh.  All levels of inappropriate in this one!

I loved Father Hubley in that one:

"What?! Wait a minute! Is there even a lasagna here?!"

 

[Laura Holt]

I had to share this here - look carefully at the label on the box.  Vindication for Debra!!!!

 

[ByTor]

Hey @Laura Holt, is that PROFESSOR Pete Za?? 😂

[Laura Holt]

"Don't let a suitcase full of cheese be your big fork and spoon".   This episode was on tonight. Words to live by 🙂

[Fellaway]

12 hours ago, Laura Holt said:

"Don't let a suitcase full of cheese be your big fork and spoon".   This episode was on tonight. Words to live by 🙂

Love that episode! It's hilarious from top to bottom. Another one in my Top 5, with Jazz Records. I may have to go on a binge to confirm the other three. Okay, I love the one where Someone! Hates! Raymond!

[Laura Holt]

3 hours ago, Fellaway said:

Love that episode! It's hilarious from top to bottom. Another one in my Top 5, with Jazz Records. I may have to go on a binge to confirm the other three.

My top 5 list keep changing but the She's The One episode with Robert's date and the fly "and then she aaaaatttteee it" is always going to be on it!

Edited September 27, 2023 by Laura Holt

[ByTor]

My favorite "comfort food" Raymond is "Be Nice." You forgot the twins' jackets...it's not cold out...yeah, you're wearing a jacket!

[TVMovieBuff]

I love the end tag of She's The One, where Robert is moping in a bar, a waiter trips and spills drinks all over someone, who turns out to be Amy. That is when Robert & Amy got back together for the last time, then got married. 

I also like Ray's Ring, Marie's Sculpture, Golf For It. Along with longtime favesJazz Records and The Faux Pas.

[Laura Holt]

1 hour ago, TVMovieBuff said:

I love the end tag of She's The One, where Robert is moping in a bar, a waiter trips and spills drinks all over someone, who turns out to be Amy.

I love it too - and the audience reaction is gold.  But I always wonder what someone who hasn't seen the show before - or at least not with Amy in it - must think!  

[qtpye]

On 9/11/2023 at 9:00 AM, TVMovieBuff said:

Good episode. I liked how Ray & Frank started arguing too, with Ray defending Marie, and Frank taking Debra's side. I have seen that irl and it brings out some hidden feelings. 

Ray: She could have given Mom a little joy!

Frank: Who is she to demand joy when Debra is wrestling with the damn kids?

Ray: She didn't have to be so rude!

Frank: Rude is the only thing she understands!

I loved it when Frank would stand up for Debra.

The show was excellent about what life is like when you marry into a family that you do not understand.

Marie and Debra might as well be aliens to each other in the way they approach life.

Edited September 29, 2023 by qtpye

[FormerMod-a1]

Debra Makes Something Good is on right now and it's one of my all time favorites.  From Marie taking Ray's pants, to Robert sitting in the sauce, to Frank bring Debra flowers and his "I'll call you".  It's all just so good.  

[Laura Holt]

@aquarian1 I tried to make braciole after seeing this episode but I guess I didn't have Debra's recipe. Frank would not have been bringing me flowers!

 

 

[Laura Holt]

22 hours ago, qtpye said:

Marie and Debra might as well be aliens to each other in the way they approach life.

I know we will never get a reunion show but I would have loved to see what Ray and Debra would have been like as the wheel of life turned and they became the grandparents to the next generation.  Debra in particular - would she have become a Marie to a future DIL or would she have been more like her own mother?  

[qtpye]

16 hours ago, aquarian1 said:

Debra Makes Something Good is on right now and it's one of my all time favorites.  From Marie taking Ray's pants, to Robert sitting in the sauce, to Frank bring Debra flowers and his "I'll call you".  It's all just so good.  

I love that episode. 

It also makes me want to eat what Debra cooked (Marie would say, "Poor dear, you must be desperate for nourishment.")

[ByTor]

On 9/29/2023 at 11:08 PM, Laura Holt said:

I guess I didn't have Debra's recipe.

You found a recipe? Oh, you're a cook now! 😂 

[TVMovieBuff]

it is a scream when Marie tasted the braciole and throws down the fork & storms off. 

[Katy M]

On 9/30/2023 at 1:00 PM, Laura Holt said:

I know we will never get a reunion show but I would have loved to see what Ray and Debra would have been like as the wheel of life turned and they became the grandparents to the next generation.  Debra in particular - would she have become a Marie to a future DIL or would she have been more like her own mother?  

If she was a Marie, she'd be a Marie in a different way.  I can't see her getting all crazy about cleaning and food.  

[Laura Holt]

4 minutes ago, Katy M said:

If she was a Marie, she'd be a Marie in a different way.  I can't see her getting all crazy about cleaning and food.  

One twist they could have tried was having Michael or Geoffrey marry someone just like Marie, move into the house across the street and be over constantly with advice and food.  Of course given Ray and Debra would be in their 60s at this point a daughter in law coming over to clean wouldn't be a terrible thing!

 

[Katy M]

21 hours ago, Laura Holt said:

One twist they could have tried was having Michael or Geoffrey marry someone just like Marie, move into the house across the street and be over constantly with advice and food.  Of course given Ray and Debra would be in their 60s at this point a daughter in law coming over to clean wouldn't be a terrible thing!

 

Or Allie marries a guy who watches TV all the time and doesn't help with the kids and Deborah gets on his case.  

[ljenkins782]

On 10/2/2023 at 3:06 PM, Katy M said:

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I know we will never get a reunion show but I would have loved to see what Ray and Debra would have been like as the wheel of life turned and they became the grandparents to the next generation.  Debra in particular - would she have become a Marie to a future DIL or would she have been more like her own mother? 

If she was a Marie, she'd be a Marie in a different way.  I can't see her getting all crazy about cleaning and food.  

I think she'd be closer to Marie than her own mother, much as she'd hate to admit it. Not about cooking or cleaning, but I can see her being an overbearing force in her kids' lives and being unpopular with her daughter in laws. There's definitely a more controlling side to her than what was shown of her mother's character.

[ByTor]

On 9/5/2023 at 11:09 AM, TVMovieBuff said:

Those curtains totally clashed with the wallpaper! It must have been done as an inside joke. 

Yep, when the contractor was in the kitchen showing samples all I could think is "You mean you needed to hire a professional to come up with THOSE curtains???" considering that they got the same ones!

[athousandclowns]

I just found this forum and didn’t know ELR was playing anywhere. I went to Netflix and Amazon so it’s on Peacock on my cable service which I’m not willing to add to my 3 streaming channels. I’d especially like to see The  Contractor one since we were in the audience. It was interesting how the crew took  pictures of the kitchen down to the  last detail in order to put it all back exactly.
I can picture Patrica sitting long faced during breaks and Brad came over and chatted with the audience. They also brought in a slice of pizza.  Good times.  

[Gemma Violet]

1 hour ago, athousandclowns said:

I just found this forum and didn’t know ELR was playing anywhere.

It also plays six nights a week on the TV Land channel.

[TVMovieBuff]

I love Debra's pajamas and Amy's sweaters. On an episode I saw last week Debra was wearing satiny pajamas in the most beautiful color of mauve I ever saw. 

Ray Romano decided early on not to have anything timely or trendy to date the show. All the costumes are classic styles. 

[sharmar]

"I just found this forum and didn’t know ELR was playing anywhere."  It's on IFC Sundays--Thursdays.

[ByTor]

11 hours ago, TVMovieBuff said:

I love Debra's pajamas and Amy's sweaters

I loved Amy's sweater with the hearts that she wore on the Invitations episode.

[athousandclowns]

23 hours ago, Gemma Violet said:

It also plays six nights a week on the TV Land channel.

I looked it up since I hadn’t heard of that station and it says “TV land is the programing for consumers in their 30s and 40s, with original series and acquisitions” only showing Mike and Molly but I looked on guide and the Contractor one is on Tuesday thanks!  

Edited May 6 by athousandclowns
Typo

[ByTor]

On 5/5/2024 at 9:39 PM, athousandclowns said:

only showing Mike and Molly

Yeah Mike & Molly is on all afternoon on Saturdays.

[qtpye]

On 5/5/2024 at 8:10 PM, ByTor said:

I loved Amy's sweater with the hearts that she wore on the Invitations episode.

Amy became my favorite member of the family because she and her parents did not seem like assholes.

Her brother was another story...

[ByTor]

2 hours ago, qtpye said:

Her brother was another story...

My favorite Peter moment:

Peter: Are you with the l.R.S.?
Ray: No!
Peter: You look like l.R.S.
Ray: I do?
Peter: No, that's just it. You don't.

[qtpye]

5 hours ago, ByTor said:

My favorite Peter moment:

Peter: Are you with the l.R.S.?
Ray: No!
Peter: You look like l.R.S.
Ray: I do?
Peter: No, that's just it. You don't.

Lol, was that when Paul Reubens was Peter?

I never really liked Chris Elliot. 

[ByTor]

7 hours ago, qtpye said:

Lol, was that when Paul Reubens was Peter?

It was! Buy 'em, buy 'em Hackidu!

[Dimity]

They just aired that Hackidu episode here yesterday and it's still daisy fresh!  Paul Reubens was awesome - oh the road not taken when they decided not to bring him back as Russell - but I think my favourite line was Marie's "I'm Grandma, I've got this and candy."

 

Edited June 14 by Dimity

[Dimity]

I just saw the Fairies episode where the twins have parts in a school play and it does not go well.  Anyone else as surprised as I to see that the children had any energy at all let alone riotous, rambunctious energy?  All three of those children had to be to quietest children in the history of children!

[TVMovieBuff]

On 9/29/2023 at 2:57 PM, qtpye said:

I loved it when Frank would stand up for Debra.

The show was excellent about what life is like when you marry into a family that you do not understand.

Marie and Debra might as well be aliens to each other in the way they approach life.

Is this the time when Ray says "If my wife wasn't so snippy...." 

(evil look from Debra) "Yes I said snippy! We could all be having a nice Mother's Day breakfast now!"

[Dimity]

4 hours ago, TVMovieBuff said:

Is this the time when Ray says "If my wife wasn't so snippy...." 

This was the big thing I grew to dislike as the series progressed.  In the first couple of years while Ray wasn't good about drawing a line with his parents he did defend Debra and tried to be a peacemaker.  By the last years of the show he rarely, if ever, took Debra's side with his mother - or with anyone else for that matter.  

[Gemma Violet]

I remember Debra calling him out on it when she said, "If you weren't so busy defending your saint of a mother..." when Marie sneaked the bottle of tarragon to Debra so her recipe would be ruined.  

[Dimity]

6 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said:

when Marie sneaked the bottle of tarragon to Debra so her recipe would be ruined.  

Every time I make spaghetti sauce I think of this scene and Ray mispronouncing tarragon!  To give Ray credit he did realize that Marie had gone too far and he went over and challenged her.  Marie: "damn glue stick" 😆

[ByTor]

The only thing that bugs me about the mother's day one, and why I don't defend Debra here, is that she was pretty miserable to her kids that day.

[Dimity]

@ByTor I clearly have seen these episodes too often because I keep thinking "who puts kids this age into the bath at 5 in the afternoon"???

[TVMovieBuff]

My nomination for Darkest Moment of the Show 

When the family including Amy are out for dinner, and they see Joanne, Robert's first wife there. Joanne says hello, gives Robert her card, he crumples it and puts it in a glass. 

Then when they are all leaving, Robert stays behind, and Ray comes back and sees Robert taking the card back out of the glass. Ray & Robert don't speak but the looks they give each other speak volumes. 

[Dimity]

6 hours ago, TVMovieBuff said:

Then when they are all leaving, Robert stays behind, and Ray comes back and sees Robert taking the card back out of the glass. Ray & Robert don't speak but the looks they give each other speak volumes. 

And this kicks off Robert being a total jerk.  He's dating Amy but he fools around with Stefania while in Italy and is seeing Joanne as well.  The scene where Ray and Frank act like he's hot stuff because he's seeing three women is annoying as hell.  They act like he's doing what any red blooded guy would do and his only mistake is that he is going to tell Amy about the other two women.  Ugh.

Edited July 29 by Dimity

[qtpye]

8 hours ago, TVMovieBuff said:

My nomination for Darkest Moment of the Show 

When the family including Amy are out for dinner, and they see Joanne, Robert's first wife there. Joanne says hello, gives Robert her card, he crumples it and puts it in a glass. 

Then when they are all leaving, Robert stays behind, and Ray comes back and sees Robert taking the card back out of the glass. Ray & Robert don't speak but the looks they give each other speak volumes. 

Robert certainly loved emotional pain.

It felt like his first wife treated him horribly and he secretly loved it.

[TVMovieBuff]

15 hours ago, Dimity said:

And this kicks off Robert being a total jerk.  He's dating Amy but he fools around with Stefania while in Italy and is seeing Joanne as well.  The scene where Ray and Frank act like he's hot stuff because he's seeing three women is annoying as hell.  They act like he's doing what any red blooded guy would do and his only mistake is that he is going to tell Amy about the other two women.  Ugh.

I felt as if, underneath the "nice job, man" comments, Frank & Ray thought Robert should realize what he has in Amy, and keep that good thing going. 

Any other ideas for Darkest Moment In thet Series?

[ByTor]

3 hours ago, TVMovieBuff said:

Any other ideas for Darkest Moment In thet Series?

The finale. Too depressing.