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Lucifer rules over heaven but things aren't going exactly as planned, exasperating his first lady, Jo. Sam and Castiel are perplexed by the return of Gabriel. Meanwhile, Dean gets one step closer to finding Mary and Jack.

 

 

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Big Michael shout out during exorcism.  
Pretty sure Dean!Michael might start out as a,way to save family and win against AU Michael but it will probably be mano a mano against Luci soon enough.  Dude needs himself a,slapdown.  Not kilking Amael is personal growth but... 
Loads of manic must save Mary, Jack, Charlie  sekf-sacrificing Dean.  
I like AU Charlie way better than out Charlie.
Yeah I called Dean!Michael  over 18 monrhs but man anyone not thinking it now after that show closing meltdown and classic Dean on the edge face is not really watching the show.
Yeah I know Gabriel comes back but he is a selfish flake and I do not see Dean trusting him or anyone else to do what needs to be done, especially not in a season in which Dean has repeatedly sent people away whilst he did things alone.
Dean and Letch make a good team surprisingly.
Asmodeus burning up was most satisfactory. 

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1 minute ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Lucifer rules over heaven but things aren't going exactly as planned, exasperating his first lady, Jo. Sam and Castiel are perplexed by the return of Gabriel. Meanwhile, Dean gets one step closer to finding Mary and Jack.

The best thing about the episode. Kentucky Fried Prince of Hell anyone?

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OH, HELL YES!!! I wished I had watched live instead of waiting until tomorrow just to see this!!

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1 minute ago, Castiels Cat said:


I like AU Charlie way better than out Charlie.

Wow, they brought Charlie back? Is it too late in the season to wish for Henriksen to be brought back too?

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1 minute ago, DeeDee79 said:

OH, HELL YES!!! I wished I had watched live instead of waiting until tomorrow just to see this!!

I'm so happy that I watched it live.

It's been so long since I could say that.

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Gabriel's back and talking, granted he left, he probably went back to hooking up with porn stars, but he's out there.  Praise Beebo.

Loved the exorcism scene.

This is going to lead to Dean saying "Yes" to Michael, so they can take his grace and save Jack, and Mary.  I think Charlie stays, and Ketch will die as redemption.

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1 minute ago, gonzosgirrl said:

So much stupid and exposition in this one. But Dean kicked ass when he was allowed to, and I finally believe he is going to be Michael.

He is so going to be Michael.

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Asmodeus is no more...that makes me very happy!  I don't even mind the redemption arc for Ketch.  Whether or not he survives the AU, or ultimately stays there to clean it up, I'm fine with it.  Sam and Dean have forgiven worse for a lot less, so burying the hatchet with Ketch isn't all that farfetched to me.  They have bigger issues to worry about.

It's good to see Charlie, and we pretty much predicted that she'd be back, too, but it did seem to come out of nowhere.  I'd have preferred that they just not kill her off to begin with, but we'll see how this goes.  Again, the AU is her home, so I doubt she'll be moving to our world anytime soon.

Lots of pixelating and buffering happening on the CW tonight, so I'll need to watch this one again to catch the dialogue I missed.  All in all, I think I liked it.  Lucifer's still annoying, which is nothing new.  If Sister Jo betrays him, she'll be toast in no time.  I wonder if they'll convince Gabriel to come back, or maybe this is when Dean decides to free Michael and agree to be his meat suit so he can use his grace to open the rift again.  

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If you guys actually know that he's going to be Michael, maybe that should be kept in the spoilers section.  I'm almost tempted to skp the rest of the season so I don't have to see that, but I'm keeping hope that you guys don't know what you're talking about.

1. When Sam was giving back Gabriel his grace, I was thinking, dude, don't you need that? Couldn't they have helped him out with Cas's grace. Like Lucifer and Jo.

2. Jo. I thought she was an opportunist. Now, she cares about honesty and a strong ruler and Lucifer acting like God. What?

3. While I kind of liked that we got something realistic in the way someone would act if they'd been tortured for years, in universe I'm thinking, so ordinary mortals like Sam and Dean (yes, I know, blasphemy to call them ordinary) can survive decades of torture and come out smiling, and an archanagel completely breaks? Seems hard to believe.

4. Why chop Charlie's head off instead of just smiting her like everyone else?

5. Ketch redemption. Just no.

6. while part of me is glad Asmo is dead, another part just thinsk what a waste. He didn't actually do anything.

7. This is just speculation on my part. But, I was adding it up with prior seasons. Season 11, Chuck comes back and basically Amara is talked down. Sam and Dean really didn't contribute much to that, except for the fact that Amara's special connection with Dean probably did soften her up. But, they certainly didn't kill or defeat anything. Seaosn 12, we spend half the season dreading the arrival of Lucifer's son and he turns out to be good. Now, Michael is coming and apparently Gabriel is going to take him out. What do we need our boys for again?

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6 minutes ago, Myrelle said:

He is so going to be Michael.

 

3 minutes ago, Katy M said:

If you guys actually know that he's going to be Michael, maybe that should be kept in the spoilers section. 

It's a guess based on the end of this episode, so not a spoiler.

Edited out what might be though. Oops!

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10 minutes ago, Myrelle said:

I'm so happy that I watched it live.

It's been so long since I could say that.

I rarely do these days. For the past two seasons I usually take a peek at the forum first to gauge the overall reaction so I can brace myself before I watch :)

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For an episode that had so much going on, surprisingly little happened. Nothing, actually. As if the season could afford to drag on any longer.

 

As usual for a BuckLeming, the episode needlessly juggled three storylines at the same time and they ranged from mediocre to oh-please-kill-me-now.

 

Gabriel's return and escape was incredibly unimaginative and lacked any kind of surprising twist. His resurrection was what everybody expected it to be since his death, a lame Sam pep-talk was enough to bring him back, and once fully healed he instantly reverted back to his cowardly persona as if nothing ever happened. And of course there were zero interesting conversations between him and Sam or Castiel. After all, those are hard to write, and this is BuckLeming we're talking about.

The only thing I'm "happy" about is Asmodeus' death, because that's one less terrible character to worry about, but I sure as hell am not going to congratulate the writers for taking care of the garbage they made us smell for most of the season.

 

The Ketch/Dean hike through purgato- huh sorry the incredibly original-looking AW was just an excuse to continue Ketch's lame redemption arc and introduce Charlie as a pathetic last-ditch effort to bring some feeeeelings into the AW storyline because what little they tried before was a complete failure to make people care.

 

BuckLeming also carried on their own little sitcom with Lucifer/Jo. Not much to say about it except it has no place in Supernatural and oh my god somebody please kill Lucifer.

 

So basically complete waste of time, no interesting character interaction or good bits of writing, and I guess the sight of Sam and Cass shitting themselves during the angsty Dean of the week was supposed to make me wet my pants or something ? It didn't, and it just made me really pissed Castiel and Sam were made to look like complete fools when Gabriel's escape was Dean's responsibility as much as everyone else, because he was adamant to instantly go into the AW without any preparation or backup plan.

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Dean's last line definitely called for the F-bomb.  No way he's that worked up and says, freaking.  I know we've discussed swearing and the lack of it before, but there are times when it's absolutely called for and this was one of those times.

I'm not sure what was up with Gabriel.  Was he really as weakened and shell-shocked as he seemed, or was he just biding his time to see what was going to happen.  Yes, they gave him some of his grace back, but not all.  Asmodeus had been siphoning it off for a while.  He seemed to recover pretty quickly.  I wonder if we'll actually see him again, or if that was it for him?  I suppose if fighting AU Michael takes an all out celestial war, he might end up coming back to help out.  

That's three good episodes in a row.  I think that may be a record for our current crop of writers.  I'm pleasantly surprised and hope it continues.

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3 minutes ago, BoxManLocke said:

It didn't, and it just made me really pissed Castiel and Sam were made to look like complete fools when Gabriel's escape was Dean's responsibility as much as everyone else, because he was adamant to instantly go into the AW without any preparation or backup plan.

Huh? Gabriel didn't escape so much as walk out the door. How would Dean being there have changed a thing?

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6 minutes ago, BoxManLocke said:

Gabriel's escape was Dean's responsibility as much as everyone else, because he was adamant to instantly go into the AW without any preparation or backup plan.

I don't think Dean was blaming Sam and Cas for Gabriel's leaving.  I think he was just extremely frustrated that once again, they were thwarted in their attempt to get to Mary and Jack.  He was angry, but not at them.  Gabriel's an archangel.  How were they going to stop him from leaving, exactly?  

I have to say that I did call it in regard to the excuse they'd use to explain that Gabriel was still alive.  Maybe I missed it, but did they really give any explanation as to just how Asmodeus "caught" Gabriel after he'd escaped to PornWorld?  

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11 minutes ago, Myrelle said:

I loved the Dean/Ketch stuff, too.

Sorry, but I did. ;-D

All of it.

Me, too!  I thought they were really good together.  (I laughed at Ketch's "good lad"--or words to that effect--when he was putting the antidote on the wound)

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I'll watch it again, but my first feeling is one of annoyance.  They took every Dean trait and magnified it til he became practically a caricature of himself.  Big damn tough guy, can't be stopped by a bullet, even one that's poisoned - and thanks to Ketch for underlining just how tough he was.  Then instead of using his 24 hours to find his mother and Jack, who are family (and important Nephilim), he goes after AU Charlie instead - even though she has no connection to the Charlie that was supposedly just like his little sister.   He knows he's got very limited time, rescuing his Mom and Jack was supposedly what has been driving his engine all season . . . and he takes a detour?  Then comes back and throws an absolute hissy fit?  

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For an episode that had so much going on, surprisingly little happened. Nothing, actually. As if the season could afford to drag on any longer.

As usual for a BuckLeming, the episode needlessly juggled three storylines at the same time and they ranged from mediocre to oh-please-kill-me-now.

Gabriel's return and escape was incredibly unimaginative and lacked any kind of surprising twist. His resurrection was what everybody expected it to be since his death, a lame Sam pep-talk was enough to bring him back, and once fully healed he instantly reverted back to his cowardly persona as if nothing ever happened. And of course there were zero interesting conversations between him and Sam or Castiel. After all, those are hard to write, and this is BuckLeming we're talking about.

The only thing I'm "happy" about is Asmodeus' death, because that's one less terrible character to worry about, but I sure as hell am not going to congratulate the writers for taking care of the garbage they made us smell for most of the season.

The Ketch/Dean hike through purgato- huh sorry the incredibly original-looking AW was just an excuse to continue Ketch's lame redemption arc and introduce Charlie as a pathetic last-ditch effort to bring some feeeeelings into the AW storyline because what little they tried before was a complete failure to make people care.

BuckLeming also carried on their own little sitcom with Lucifer/Jo. Not much to say about it except it has no place in Supernatural and oh my god somebody please kill Lucifer.

So basically complete waste of time, no interesting character interaction or good bits of writing, and I guess the sight of Sam and Cass shitting themselves during the angsty Dean of the week was supposed to make me wet my pants or something ? It didn't, and it just made me really pissed Castiel and Sam were made to look like complete fools when Gabriel's escape was Dean's responsibility as much as everyone else, because he was adamant to instantly go into the AW without any preparation or backup plan.

 

I pretty much agree with BoxManLocke on the above.

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 I don't think Dean was blaming Sam and Cas for Gabriel's leaving.  I think he was just extremely frustrated that once again, they were thwarted in their attempt to get to Mary and Jack.  He was angry, but not at them. 

I think Sam and Cas felt like they were being blamed, unless they were just really embarrassed by the temper tantrum.

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Just now, gonzosgirrl said:

Dean's "If we can't open that door, then I should've never come back!" kinda breaks my heart.

I'm not sure he'd feel that way if he actually thought about it for a minute.  I don't see him willing to leave Sam and/or Cas behind.  But knowing that Mary and Jack are there, and they can't seem to get to them has to be extremely frustrating.  He can take some comfort in the fact that they're no longer being held by Michael, so there is that.  

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3 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:

I don't think Dean was blaming Sam and Cas for Gabriel's leaving.  I think he was just extremely frustrated that once again, they were thwarted in their attempt to get to Mary and Jack.  He was angry, but not at them.  Gabriel's an archangel.  How were they going to stop him from leaving, exactly?  

 

I didn't say he was blaming them, but I know who looked like morons during that scene and it wasn't Dean.

Anyway arguing about this is useless. I don't want to get into character wars here. That's not the first time they've done this kind of stuff, won't be the last. I wouldn't even have said anything if it had been a good episode, but it was just the icing on the cake.

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1 minute ago, Wynne88 said:

Then instead of using his 24 hours to find his mother and Jack, who are family (and important Nephilim), he goes after AU Charlie instead - even though she has no connection to the Charlie that was supposedly just like his little sister.   He knows he's got very limited time, rescuing his Mom and Jack was supposedly what has been driving his engine all season . . . and he takes a detour?  Then comes back and throws an absolute hissy fit?  

He did feel the need to save Charlie this time, but she was also the link to his mother and Jack.  She was talking about them when we first see her, and that's what Dean heard.  They weren't getting anywhere in those 24 hours just walking around aimlessly, so at least Charlie could give them information on Mary and Jack.  

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1 minute ago, Wynne88 said:

I'll watch it again, but my first feeling is one of annoyance.  They took every Dean trait and magnified it til he became practically a caricature of himself.  Big damn tough guy, can't be stopped by a bullet, even one that's poisoned - and thanks to Ketch for underlining just how tough he was.  Then instead of using his 24 hours to find his mother and Jack, who are family (and important Nephilim), he goes after AU Charlie instead - even though she has no connection to the Charlie that was supposedly just like his little sister.   He knows he's got very limited time, rescuing his Mom and Jack was supposedly what has been driving his engine all season . . . and he takes a detour?  Then comes back and throws an absolute hissy fit?  

Depends on what your definition of "no connection" is.  She does have the same DNA.  She's the same person, just from a different timeline.  Dean feels guilty about her death.  It doesn't surprise me.  But, even if he had never seen Charlie, and didn't go on a detour, not sure how they would have found Mary and Jack.  they probably would have literally just wandered around aimlessly.  The only other being they saw told them where to find Charlie, but it would be doubtful he could locate the rebels for Dean, seeing as how he was on the opposite side.

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2 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:

I'm not sure he'd feel that way if he actually thought about it for a minute.  I don't see him willing to leave Sam and/or Cas behind.  But knowing that Mary and Jack are there, and they can't seem to get to them has to be extremely frustrating.  He can take some comfort in the fact that they're no longer being held by Michael, so there is that.  

Probably so, but he was almost reluctant to step through as it was, and to find that out seconds later - poor guy! And Jensen totally sold it.

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12 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:

I don't think Dean was blaming Sam and Cas for Gabriel's leaving.  I think he was just extremely frustrated that once again, they were thwarted in their attempt to get to Mary and Jack.  He was angry, but not at them.  Gabriel's an archangel.  How were they going to stop him from leaving, exactly?  

I agree.

6 minutes ago, Wynne88 said:

Then instead of using his 24 hours to find his mother and Jack, who are family (and important Nephilim), he goes after AU Charlie instead - even though she has no connection to the Charlie that was supposedly just like his little sister.

But she knew where Mary and Jack were.  Sure, he wanted to save this Charlie to make up for losing his Charlie but he also needed AW Charlie to locate them.

Edited to add:  Or what others already said faster than I could!  LOL

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2 minutes ago, BoxManLocke said:

I didn't say he was blaming them, but I know who looked like morons during that scene and it wasn't Dean.

Anyway arguing about this is useless. I don't want to get into character wars here. That's not the first time they've done this kind of stuff, won't be the last. I wouldn't even have said anything if it had been a good episode, but it was just the icing on the cake.

I didn't think anyone looked like a moron.  They were as disappointed as Dean was.  They did what they had to do to help Gabriel in the moment, and didn't assume he'd run off at the first opportunity.  I'm sure, had Dean been there, he'd have done the same thing.  If they hadn't, Asmodeus would have killed both Sam and Cas.  

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2 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:

He did feel the need to save Charlie this time, but she was also the link to his mother and Jack.  She was talking about them when we first see her, and that's what Dean heard.  They weren't getting anywhere in those 24 hours just walking around aimlessly, so at least Charlie could give them information on Mary and Jack.  

Exactly. She was the only clue they had. And of course he's going to be affected by someone who is Charlie's doppleganger. He's still human.

And Sam & Cas did the right thing by giving Gabriel back his grace. Winged dick or not, it was his. If Dean gets mad t them about that, he's wrong. It's Gabriel who deserves his wrath/disdain. I just think all three were highly emotional in that moment.

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We saw in this ep that Dean has not been as OK as he seemed to be for a while now.  I think we've 

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seen the straw that broke the "I won't say 'yes' to Michael" camel's back.  At this point, he thinks they're out of options.

He really has reached the end of his hope.

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38 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

So much stupid and exposition in this one. But Dean kicked ass when he was allowed to, and I finally believe he is going to be Michael.

This is my take. I'll be back later with more specific lambasting.

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OH, and the exposition of how Gabriel was alive in the first place? Absolute nonsense that flies in the face of canon as much as anything they've ever done. Sure, he was the Trickster, bla blah. But any emotional investment in him on re-watch is now negated, forever.

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3 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:

I didn't think anyone looked like a moron.  They were as disappointed as Dean was.  They did what they had to do to help Gabriel in the moment, and didn't assume he'd run off at the first opportunity.  I'm sure, had Dean been there, he'd have done the same thing.  If they hadn't, Asmodeus would have killed both Sam and Cas.  

I watched it again and yeah, I think they looked scared of his reaction.

 

Anyway, if this is the kind of episode that's well received it just means I'm drifting further and further away from the fandom.

 

I mean what were the cool moments outside of the fight scenes, really ? Where were the meaningful conversations ? It was literally all style no substance.

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I thought that episode was pretty cool.  The writers did three or four great episodes in a row, imo.  It was funny (Gabriel’s porn star line was the best), had good action and Sams plea to Gabriel was really well done.  Plus, Asmodeus (evil Levon Helm) is dead. .  Couldn’t happen to a worse guy.  Who’s going to sing When i Paint my Masterpiece now?  

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 It's Gabriel who deserves his wrath/disdain. 

I'm very glad that we ultimately did not get a really sympathetic Gabriel.  The character could often be fun to have around but he really was a selfish--and cowardly--d**k.

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16 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

It's Gabriel who deserves his wrath/disdain.

I don't see why.  Gabriel's not the one who let Lucifer out of the cage thereby enabling him to create spawn who then opened up rift, thereby letting alt-Michael know there was another world to conquer and Mary getting trapped over there.

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I am puzzled by Sam saying to Gabriel "I save the world" and it's the 2nd episode in the past 3 that he's said that.  This seems oddly specific that he's not saying "We save the world" or "me and Dean" especially when talking to Gabriel. That's mighty peculiar and I think it's foreshadowing something.  

Also, Sam saying "Charlie....Bradbury??". That's the stupidest line in the entire episode amongst a whole lotof stupid.  He KNOWS Charlie. STOOPID

I think Dean will be Michael at 99.9999% sure. STill don't believe Dabb will really give us what some of us want. LOL

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57 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:

Sam and Dean have forgiven worse for a lot less, so burying the hatchet with Ketch isn't all that farfetched to me.  They have bigger issues to worry about.

Have they? He tortured Mary and turned her against them and tried to kill them both. If it was just Dean or even Sam or Cas that Ketch had unleashed his crap on, sure maybe but not what he did to Mary.

Dean should have killed him already and chopped him up again.

48 minutes ago, BoxManLocke said:

For an episode that had so much going on, surprisingly little happened. Nothing, actually. As if the thgseason could afford to drag on any longer.

This was my reaction at the end of the episode! I was like we went through a lot of hoops to basically set up one thing. And that IMO is Dean going to the Cage to get grace from Michael.

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1 hour ago, gonzosgirrl said:

So much stupid and exposition in this one. But Dean kicked ass when he was allowed to, and I finally believe he is going to be Michael.

Yeah. That last scene had to have sold all disbelievers.

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1 minute ago, catrox14 said:

Have they? He tortured Mary and turned her against them and tried to kill them both. If it was just Dean or even Sam or Cas that Ketch had unleashed his crap on, sure maybe but not what he did to Mary.

Dean should have killed him already and chopped him up again.

They have plenty other enemies to worry about at this point.  It just doesn't bother me that Ketch is getting redemption.  If they can be frenemies with the King of Hell, I think they can make peace with Ketch.  

26 minutes ago, BoxManLocke said:

Anyway, if this is the kind of episode that's well received it just means I'm drifting further and further away from the fandom.

I don't think it was the best episode ever written, but I didn't find it offensive.  Not exactly a ringing endorsement, but there have been some stinkers the past two years.  I've taken to enjoying the parts I like, mainly Dean, Sam and Cas, and glossing over the parts that bore me...Lucifer, Asmodeus, all angel/demon conversation scenes.  It works for me.  Since I can't have what we used to have in the beginning seasons, I need to make the best of what we do get.  And both Dean and Sam got some good scenes this week.  

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5 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Have they? He tortured Mary and turned her against them and tried to kill them both. If it was just Dean or even Sam or Cas that Ketch had unleashed his crap on, sure maybe but not what he did to Mary.

Yes, actually they have.  If you remove the personal part of it being their mother.  They forgave Crowley and he didn't give Bobby's soul back when he said he would. He made them work for him to give Sam's soul back, which he couldn't actually do.  He talked Cas into opening up Purgatory.  He kidnapped Kevin and cut his thumb off.  He kidnapped Kevin's mother.  He killed Sarah and Tommy.  He managed to send Bobby to Hell even after giving his soul back.  

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40 minutes ago, Wynne88 said:

damn tough guy, can't be stopped by a bullet, even one that's poisoned - and thanks to Ketch for underlining just how tough he was. 

Red Meat.  Sam gets shot, lays bleeding on the floor for hours, rises from the dead, removes the bullet, gets up takes out a werewolf, falls down the stairs, takes out another werewolf, drives and saves Dean and walks off the bullet wound.  This is mild in comparison. 

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Just now, ILoveReading said:

Red Meat.  Sam gets shot, lays bleeding on the floor for hours, rises from the dead, removes the bullet, gets up takes out a werewolf, falls down the stairs, takes out another werewolf, drives and saves Dean and walks off the bullet wound.  This is mild in comparison. 

I still think he died and Billie healed him.

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1 hour ago, Jediknight said:

Gabriel's back and talking, granted he left, he probably went back to hooking up with porn stars, but he's out there.  Praise Beebo.

Loved the exorcism scene.

This is going to lead to Dean saying "Yes" to Michael, so they can take his grace and save Jack, and Mary.  I think Charlie stays, and Ketch will die as redemption.

"This is going to lead to Dean saying "Yes" to Michael, so they can take his grace and save Jack, and Mary."

Patting myself on the back for saying this for weeks now.

I have to give Dabbler and Hacks credit for setting up the Apocalypse and Dean!Michael anviks,as wrll as progressing Dean's tragic flaw/ manic self sacrifice/ must get win / save Mary storylines so damn well over seasons 12-13.

Bravo.

Great episode.

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