catrox14 April 13, 2018 Share April 13, 2018 1 hour ago, scribe95 said: thought Jared did well with the speech thought it made no sense. Honestly if they had reordered the speech until after Dean was back and they realized he didn't have mom and they had no way to reopen the rift it would have made so much more sens I don't see how the "I need you" part would ever make sense for Sam to say to Gabriel. That line, aside from being lifted from a highly intense emotional scene in Goodbye Stranger between Dean and Cas that was well earned after years of build up, has no context. Why would Sam think that "I" need you would sway Gabriel? Is there some heretofore unknown bond that Gabriel would care? Now, if Castiel had said that to Gabriel, it would have still rang a bit false but at least have context as brothers and a likely history that we don't yet know about. There has been a lot of "I" from Sam in the recent episodes. As @gonzosgirrl reminded, why has Sam twice now said "I save the world' ...back in Scoobynatural. and then "I save the world" in such an impassioned way. Especially when he was speaking of family and how his family is where he was supposed to be. I mean it makes no sense and why is he excluding Dean, and Cas for that matter. Where are they going with that? It's weird and obvious. Is he already writing Dean out of his life in some way? Were they trying to invoke some thing from Mystery Spot where Sam was worried he'd have to go it alone? Did Sam think he was going to recruit Gabriel to the fight and that Gabriel would go to the AW with them? Like why would have thought that at all? Gabriel is selfish, has always been selfish. Gabriel already had a redemption arc. He tried to kill Lucifer. Just because he failed that doesn't alter the redemption act itself. He didn't need wooby status and he doesn't need a 2nd redemption arc. It's unnecessary. And does nothing for me. I don't know why Dean is saying "I can't lose you again" about AW Charlie. That's not the Charlie from his world and it's not the Charlie he saw butchered. And No Buck Lemming just because you make Dean look like he's lost his damn mind by thinking she is his Charlie, that doesn't alter that you butchered Charlie in a disgusting manner and dumbed her down before doing. It's demeaning to both Dean and Charlie for Dean to have this sad notion. 5 Link to comment
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