Season 6: A Charming (?) Rey of Sunshine

[balmz]

9 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

They were typical with Jack for it and Claire against it. I think Adam's point made the most sense. If you don't use it for the most serious crimes what's the point?  

brings an interesting alternative character interpretation for claire, does she not consider the killing of a cop to be among the most serious of crimes? how does she view the detectives she works with then and their lives, also what would she be fine with the death penalty for or consider the most serious of crimes to be? serial killers or child killers and rapists?

also how would serena view these cases :P

also if she was alive, how would she see the killing of cops with the various blm protests and anti police movements in the past decade?

agreed with curtis being rightly chewed out for attacking the suspect, one thing i have noted in other shows and even in confession on the mothership and seems to be a trend in media in general, when a cop gets killed and the police investigate, almost always it means the gloves come off with anyone who is in the path of the cops, often times on other shows, the captain is more lenient with police being aggressive

also maybe with the flirting, it was their way of foreshadowing curtis cheating in the episode aftershock

[Xeliou66]

3 hours ago, balmz said:

brings an interesting alternative character interpretation for claire, does she not consider the killing of a cop to be among the most serious of crimes? how does she view the detectives she works with then and their lives, also what would she be fine with the death penalty for or consider the most serious of crimes to be? serial killers or child killers and rapists?

also how would serena view these cases :P

also if she was alive, how would she see the killing of cops with the various blm protests and anti police movements in the past decade?

agreed with curtis being rightly chewed out for attacking the suspect, one thing i have noted in other shows and even in confession on the mothership and seems to be a trend in media in general, when a cop gets killed and the police investigate, almost always it means the gloves come off with anyone who is in the path of the cops, often times on other shows, the captain is more lenient with police being aggressive

also maybe with the flirting, it was their way of foreshadowing curtis cheating in the episode aftershock

I think Claire was just vehemently anti death penalty regardless of the case, victim or perpetrator - she viewed the death penalty as immoral and inhumane. I thought the points made about the death penalty in Savages were interesting, and it was interesting how the show dealt with the death penalty throughout the years, with it being not allowed in NY when the show started, then allowed, now not allowed again. It was also interesting how they mentioned the real Governor, George Pataki, by name several times in that episode.

One thing I love about Van Buren is how she always held her detectives to high standards and always called them out if they were unprofessional, regardless of the case. The “it’s personal” trope for police when a cop is the victim gets tiresome, and I liked how Van Buren didn’t allow the detectives to break rules. I was thrilled when Van Buren chewed Curtis out in this episode, Curtis thought the rules didn’t apply to him and he could do whatever, and it wasn’t the only time Curtis acted like that.

And the whole women finding Curtis attractive thing was done throughout his 4 seasons on the show, it got so old, yes it happened occasionally with other characters, but it happened all the time with Curtis, it was beyond tiresome how they tried to shove Curtis being attractive down our throats. 

[WendyCR72]

3 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

And the whole women finding Curtis attractive thing was done throughout his 4 seasons on the show, it got so old, yes it happened occasionally with other characters, but it happened all the time with Curtis, it was beyond tiresome how they tried to shove Curtis being attractive down our throats. 

Sometimes, I wonder if TIIC wanted viewers to hate Rey. The writing for him sure made it easy.

[Xeliou66]

2 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

Sometimes, I wonder if TIIC wanted viewers to hate Ray. The writing for him sure made it easy.

I’ve wondered about that as well - did the writers intentionally make Curtis irritating? Curtis so frequently came off as holier than thou, sanctimonious and an ass, as well as a hypocrite, that he’s very unlikable much of the time. I’m not sure if they wanted us to dislike Curtis or not, but it’s easy to see why he’s one of L&O’s most disliked characters. 

[WendyCR72]

5 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

I’ve wondered about that as well - did the writers intentionally make Curtis irritating? Curtis so frequently came off as holier than thou, sanctimonious and an ass, as well as a hypocrite, that he’s very unlikable much of the time. I’m not sure if they wanted us to dislike Curtis or not, but it’s easy to see why he’s one of L&O’s most disliked characters. 

If I recall, I don't think Benjamin Bratt thought much of Rey/Rey's writing, either. So at least the actor was self aware.

[andromeda331]

8 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

If I recall, I don't think Benjamin Bratt thought much of Rey/Rey's writing, either. So at least the actor was self aware.

Really? I always wondered what he thought of his character. Rey really was an ass most of the time. Was he happy with it? Same with what Elisabeth Rohm thought of Serena. 

[andromeda331]

12 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I think Claire was just vehemently anti death penalty regardless of the case, victim or perpetrator - she viewed the death penalty as immoral and inhumane. I thought the points made about the death penalty in Savages were interesting, and it was interesting how the show dealt with the death penalty throughout the years, with it being not allowed in NY when the show started, then allowed, now not allowed again. It was also interesting how they mentioned the real Governor, George Pataki, by name several times in that episode.

Yeah, Claire was against it no matter what the crime was. She was always trying to keep them from going for it. I liked that they mention the Governor to since he had been the one for bring it back.

Quote

One thing I love about Van Buren is how she always held her detectives to high standards and always called them out if they were unprofessional, regardless of the case. The “it’s personal” trope for police when a cop is the victim gets tiresome, and I liked how Van Buren didn’t allow the detectives to break rules. I was thrilled when Van Buren chewed Curtis out in this episode, Curtis thought the rules didn’t apply to him and he could do whatever, and it wasn’t the only time Curtis acted like that.

I like that she always did that too. So many shows pay lip service to that or don't bother to have the Captain even say anything. Van Buren always did when her cops crossed the line. I really don't like the "it's personal" when it's a cop. Really most crimes are personal. How is it different when a father or brother thinks the same way about their daughter or sister being murdered? Or a wife when her husband is murdered? That's one of the reasons for cops because it's too easy to take matters into your own hands or break the law because someone you love was hurt or killed. Or you were attacked. 

[andromeda331]

12 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

And the whole women finding Curtis attractive thing was done throughout his 4 seasons on the show, it got so old, yes it happened occasionally with other characters, but it happened all the time with Curtis, it was beyond tiresome how they tried to shove Curtis being attractive down our throats. 

That reminds me of an episode of White Collar when Peter, Neal, and Mozzie were waiting to meet a hacker. The hacker tells them send out the sexy one. Neal starts to get out car because it's usually him. Not him. So Peter starts to get out of the car. No the hacker meant Mozzie. As he's getting out of the car he tells Peter and Neal to consider it a lesson in humilty. 

[Xeliou66]

I just watched Hot Pursuit, this is a really good episode, I like the “ticking clock” first half where the detectives race to track down the perps, it’s intense and really interesting, and the trial was good as well, I thought it was an interesting debate about just how responsible Leslie was for her actions, I did feel some sympathy for her as she had been abducted by a psychopath, but she did play a role in the murders and even picked out the location for one of them, and I think she deserved to be convicted for her role in the crimes, but I think the circumstances surrounding the murders should affect her sentence, and Jack seemed to think so as well, I really like the final scene between Jack and Adam where they discuss the case, Adam was always so wise, sensing Jack’s mixed feelings about the case and saying that Jack didn’t have to oppose the defense’s experts if he didn’t want to. Melnick was irritating as usual, she always came off as so self righteous, and she pissed me off calling Leslie the “most innocent” victim of Trapp, no I think the random people Trapp killed with Leslie’s assistance are more innocent. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

On 9/6/2022 at 1:47 PM, Xeliou66 said:

just watched Hot Pursuit, this is a really good episode, I like the “ticking clock” first half where the detectives race to track down the perps, it’s intense and really interesting, and the trial was good as well, I thought it was an interesting debate about just how responsible Leslie was for her actions, I did feel some sympathy for her as she had been abducted by a psychopath, but she did play a role in the murders and even picked out the location for one of them,

And I’m the opposite. I didn’t and don’t feel sorry for her at ALL. I think she cried rape to avoid criminal charges and not have to pay. Immediately after her arrest and when she talks to Liz, there’s a switch to her personality-I think her real self was revealed to Liz.

Then we learn that she had a history of acting out and doing the opposite of her mother.

And JEEBUS, but I’m only just seeing how much Claire defended the “good” defendants—arguing for mercy, leniency, etc. when it looked like the defendants weren’t out and out scuzzballs. Like the mother in ”Bitter Fruit”, Victor Garber’s character in ”Savages”, and now Leslie. Oh! And that triple murderer in ”Jeopardy” got the plea for mercyyyyyyy.😒😒 The BEST part of that is Adam showing up at the interrogation room and how all the detectives left the room without Adam having to say a word. And then telling Hynes to get rid of his lawyer. Pure Chef’s Kiss.

[Spartan Girl]

19 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And JEEBUS, but I’m only just seeing how much Claire defended the “good” defendants—arguing for mercy, leniency, etc. when it looked like the defendants weren’t out and out scuzzballs. Like the mother in ”Bitter Fruit”, Victor Garber’s character in ”Savages”, and now Leslie. Oh! And that triple murderer in ”Jeopardy” got the plea for mercyyyyyyy.😒😒 The BEST part of that is Adam showing up at the interrogation room and how all the detectives left the room without Adam having to say a word. And then telling Hynes to get rid of his lawyer. Pure Chef’s Kiss.

Blech. Claire needed to listen to the immortal words of Sondheim: “nice” is different than “good.”

[Xeliou66]

38 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And I’m the opposite. I didn’t and don’t feel sorry for her at ALL. I think she cried rape to avoid criminal charges and not have to pay. Immediately after her arrest and when she talks to Liz, there’s a switch to her personality-I think her real self was revealed to Liz.

Then we learn that she had a history of acting out and doing the opposite of her mother.

And JEEBUS, but I’m only just seeing how much Claire defended the “good” defendants—arguing for mercy, leniency, etc. when it looked like the defendants weren’t out and out scuzzballs. Like the mother in ”Bitter Fruit”, Victor Garber’s character in ”Savages”, and now Leslie. Oh! And that triple murderer in ”Jeopardy” got the plea for mercyyyyyyy.😒😒 The BEST part of that is Adam showing up at the interrogation room and how all the detectives left the room without Adam having to say a word. And then telling Hynes to get rid of his lawyer. Pure Chef’s Kiss.

I do think Trapp probably raped Leslie, he was a psychopath who kidnapped her, but that doesn’t excuse Leslie’s role in the killings, she picked out the nightclub to rob and she deserved to face the consequences for her role in the crimes, and I do think she got something of a thrill out of it, but I doubt she would’ve been a killer if it wasn’t for Trapp, so she wasn’t entirely unsympathetic IMO, and I really liked the final scene between Jack and Adam. Just my take on the episode.

I love Jeopardy, and the scene where Schiff enters the interrogation room and just tells everyone with a look that he wants to speak to Hynes alone, that was great. Adam was great in that whole episode, where he slowly realized something was off with Hynes, and then his disgust with Hynes when talking to him, and then at the end when he finds out Hynes killed himself his look of sadness, he could say so much with just his facial expressions. 

17 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

Blech. Claire needed to listen to the immortal words of Sondheim: “nice” is different than “good.”

Claire could sometimes have sympathy for defendants who I didn’t find sympathetic, although I don’t think she felt sympathy for Sandig in Savages, I think she just didn’t want him executed because she was vehemently anti death penalty. I liked how Claire could be a more compassionate prosecutor without being whiny or difficult, unlike Serena. 

[Xeliou66]

Custody was on just now, where Paul Robinette returns, and I’ll say again how I disliked how much Paul’s character had changed, and they just didn’t do a good job writing for him in the 3 episodes where he returned as a defense attorney, he was all over the map and not like he was as an ADA. It was a good idea to bring him back as a defense attorney but they botched the execution of it badly.   
The case in Custody was interesting but I didn’t feel any sympathy for the bio mom who orchestrated the plot, if she really cared about her son she wouldn’t kidnap him from a loving family. She was just selfish. And I thought Robinette implying that a white family couldn’t do a good job raising a black child was somewhat offensive, yes there are challenges with any adoption and I’m sure some extra difficulties with cross racial adoptions, but I believe you can be a good adoptive parent regardless of what race you are or what race the child you adopt is. The adoptive parents in this episode were a lot better for the kid than the bio mom. Paul was just different in this episode and I didn’t feel any sympathy for his client.   
I did like the reference to Ben Stone in this episode and that Schiff and Robinette both knew he was in Europe at this time.

Now Encore is on - one of my favorites, such a well done plot and great follow up to Coma, Dobson was just a compelling villain and this was a really well done episode. 

[AnnieBananie]

20 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Now Encore is on - one of my favorites, such a well done plot and great follow up to Coma, Dobson was just a compelling villain and this was a really well done episode. 

That's this week's episode on the "These are Their Stories" podcast, with special guest Ed Zuckerman, who wrote this episode and many others! One behind-the-scenes tidbit: they said that Larry Miller was such a delight to work with in "Coma" that they wrote this episode to bring him back.

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 minute ago, AnnieBananie said:

That's this week's episode on the "These are Their Stories" podcast, with special guest Ed Zuckerman, who wrote this episode and many others! One behind-the-scenes tidbit: they said that Larry Miller was such a delight to work with in "Coma" that they wrote this episode to bring him back.

WHAT???!!! Ed is still among us and he wasn’t asked to return for the revival?! Had he agreed and wrote for it, I wouldn’t have abandoned it after the third or was it fourth, episode.

[Xeliou66]

7 minutes ago, AnnieBananie said:

That's this week's episode on the "These are Their Stories" podcast, with special guest Ed Zuckerman, who wrote this episode and many others! One behind-the-scenes tidbit: they said that Larry Miller was such a delight to work with in "Coma" that they wrote this episode to bring him back.

Interesting, I know Larry Miller later made a cameo as himself in the episode Smoke which was interesting, so yeah they definitely liked him. It was a great choice to bring Dobson back, he was such a compelling and memorable villain, and Encore is a terrific episode, I love the twisted plot.

[Door County Cherry]

Plus,  I did NOT like that he got away with the first murder so I'm glad they got a second crack at him.

[Xeliou66]

4 minutes ago, Door County Cherry said:

Plus,  I did NOT like that he got away with the first murder so I'm glad they got a second crack at him.

Yeah, he was a real piece of garbage, I thought Coma was just average but I liked the twist at the end that Dobson paid an associate to kill his wife, and then Encore was great, really good plot, I liked how they didn’t even know the victim was Mrs Dobson #2 until later on, and I loved the twist that Dobson got his new girlfriend to lure the hitman back to the country to try to set up the mob guy as an alternate suspect. 

[Door County Cherry]

"Do you want to be Mrs. Dobson #3?"

[Cobalt Stargazer]

"Detective Briscoe?"
"Dobson?"
*looks past Lennie's shoulder at Rey*
"What happened to the other guy?"

Jerk.

[andromeda331]

9 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Custody was on just now, where Paul Robinette returns, and I’ll say again how I disliked how much Paul’s character had changed, and they just didn’t do a good job writing for him in the 3 episodes where he returned as a defense attorney, he was all over the map and not like he was as an ADA. It was a good idea to bring him back as a defense attorney but they botched the execution of it badly.   
The case in Custody was interesting but I didn’t feel any sympathy for the bio mom who orchestrated the plot, if she really cared about her son she wouldn’t kidnap him from a loving family. She was just selfish. And I thought Robinette implying that a white family couldn’t do a good job raising a black child was somewhat offensive, yes there are challenges with any adoption and I’m sure some extra difficulties with cross racial adoptions, but I believe you can be a good adoptive parent regardless of what race you are or what race the child you adopt is. The adoptive parents in this episode were a lot better for the kid than the bio mom. Paul was just different in this episode and I didn’t feel any sympathy for his client.   
I did like the reference to Ben Stone in this episode and that Schiff and Robinette both knew he was in Europe at this time.

That was what Robinette was trying to say. Which isn't true. Also, how was the bio mom better? She put her needs before her son before she went to jail. Even after she got out she was still thinking about her needs not him. He had a family that loved him. She lied about her own family. His adoptive parents worked, she quit her job. She didn't want to go through the legal process because in her wores it would "take too long". She's rather kidnap him and murder a man. 

Quote

 

Now Encore is on - one of my favorites, such a well done plot and great follow up to Coma, Dobson was just a compelling villain and this was a really well done episode. 

 

That's one of my favorites too. Encore is so good. I love that they don't even know Dobson is the husband until they stumble upon him. I love they realize Dobson set everything up again. He really was so close to getting away with it all again. Until McCoy made that off hand comment about how getting Cruz was suppose to be the final nail in Dobson's coffin. It was so great. I love Cruz's girlfriend trying to get into the line up room to attack Margaret. Margaret you really dodged a bullet. 

 

[Spartan Girl]

8 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

That was what Robinette was trying to say. Which isn't true. Also, how was the bio mom better? She put her needs before her son before she went to jail. Even after she got out she was still thinking about her needs not him. He had a family that loved him. She lied about her own family. His adoptive parents worked, she quit her job. She didn't want to go through the legal process because in her wores it would "take too long". She's rather kidnap him and murder a man. 

Seriously. At least at the end of the episode Pod!Paul was going get her to take the plea deal now that his “point” had been made, so there was no way in hell she was going to go free and take the baby back.

[Xeliou66]

3 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

Seriously. At least at the end of the episode Pod!Paul was going get her to take the plea deal now that his “point” had been made, so there was no way in hell she was going to go free and take the baby back.

Yep, the bio mom was just selfish, she had lost her right to be a parent after neglecting him for the first 18 months of his life, and now she was willing to rip him away from a loving family just because of her own selfishness. There was no way she was more equipped to raise the kid than the adoptive parents.

8 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

That was what Robinette was trying to say. Which isn't true. Also, how was the bio mom better? She put her needs before her son before she went to jail. Even after she got out she was still thinking about her needs not him. He had a family that loved him. She lied about her own family. His adoptive parents worked, she quit her job. She didn't want to go through the legal process because in her wores it would "take too long". She's rather kidnap him and murder a man. 

That's one of my favorites too. Encore is so good. I love that they don't even know Dobson is the husband until they stumble upon him. I love they realize Dobson set everything up again. He really was so close to getting away with it all again. Until McCoy made that off hand comment about how getting Cruz was suppose to be the final nail in Dobson's coffin. It was so great. I love Cruz's girlfriend trying to get into the line up room to attack Margaret. Margaret you really dodged a bullet. 

 

Encore is fantastic, really good and complex plot and I loved how they realized Dobson had set the whole thing up to try to make it look like the mobster ordered the murder, and had Margaret call pretending to be the mailbox place. It was really good work in figuring all of this out, and I liked them confronting Margaret with the evidence against Dobson and asked if she wanted to be his next wife given what happened to the first two.  
Encore might be my favorite season 6 episode, it and Jeopardy are probably my 2 favorites from the season, Encore just has a really well done plot from start to finish.
 

[AnnieBananie]

On 12/29/2022 at 5:44 PM, Xeliou66 said:

Interesting, I know Larry Miller later made a cameo as himself in the episode Smoke which was interesting, so yeah they definitely liked him. It was a great choice to bring Dobson back, he was such a compelling and memorable villain, and Encore is a terrific episode, I love the twisted plot.

They talk about that, Xeliou66, and how they had to specifically put in the script, "Oh, yes, Mr. Miller," or something really obvious to show he wasn't Dobson 😂

[Xeliou66]

I watched Remand today, this is an interesting, kind of unusual episode with it being the reinvestigation of a 30 year old crime, and it turned out the perp was the same guy all along but he was acquitted this time because of a lack of evidence. The defense got all of the breaks in this case. The rapist was creepy, especially with how he blew a kiss at his victim at the end after the verdict was read. I have to say though I agreed with the judge granting a new trial to the rapist - it was a massive conflict of interest that the defense attorney had represented the victim as well and who knows if he disclosed it to his client or not, he should’ve been taken off the case, the original judge made a mistake. And the original detective did a poor job, he didn’t put everything in his report about the victim and it came back to bite them. 
It was very interesting how Adam had prosecuted the case originally. Adam seemed a little off in this one because of his emotional investment in the case which was unusual for him. I’ve never been able to figure out his ending line though of “I lied. Second time in 30 years” - what did he mean by that? 

[andromeda331]

5 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I watched Remand today, this is an interesting, kind of unusual episode with it being the reinvestigation of a 30 year old crime, and it turned out the perp was the same guy all along but he was acquitted this time because of a lack of evidence. The defense got all of the breaks in this case. The rapist was creepy, especially with how he blew a kiss at his victim at the end after the verdict was read. I have to say though I agreed with the judge granting a new trial to the rapist - it was a massive conflict of interest that the defense attorney had represented the victim as well and who knows if he disclosed it to his client or not, he should’ve been taken off the case, the original judge made a mistake. And the original detective did a poor job, he didn’t put everything in his report about the victim and it came back to bite them. 
It was very interesting how Adam had prosecuted the case originally. Adam seemed a little off in this one because of his emotional investment in the case which was unusual for him. I’ve never been able to figure out his ending line though of “I lied. Second time in 30 years” - what did he mean by that? 

It's an interesting case. Both judges made mistakes. The original judge should not have allowed that defense lawyer to represent Munoz after he represented the victim. The judge in this case should have let in the girlfriend's testimony. It does establish a pattern. He did the same thing to his girlfriend that he did to the victim. After doing that to his girlfriend it's not that hard to do it to someone else. The poor victim. He's out and he's definitely going to do it again.

I have no idea what Adam was talking about at the end. I've tried to figure out his first lie but I don't know what it is either. 

 

 

[Xeliou66]

On 4/10/2023 at 12:28 AM, andromeda331 said:

It's an interesting case. Both judges made mistakes. The original judge should not have allowed that defense lawyer to represent Munoz after he represented the victim. The judge in this case should have let in the girlfriend's testimony. It does establish a pattern. He did the same thing to his girlfriend that he did to the victim. After doing that to his girlfriend it's not that hard to do it to someone else. The poor victim. He's out and he's definitely going to do it again.

I have no idea what Adam was talking about at the end. I've tried to figure out his first lie but I don't know what it is either. 

 

 

I’ve never been able to figure out Adam’s ending line either - it’s a total mystery to me.   
Every single ruling went the defense’s way, and even though the guy was guilty I can see why he got off in the second trial. The victim had to be terrified at the end with the way the creep smiled and blew a kiss at her. 

[andromeda331]

1 hour ago, Xeliou66 said:

I’ve never been able to figure out Adam’s ending line either - it’s a total mystery to me.   
Every single ruling went the defense’s way, and even though the guy was guilty I can see why he got off in the second trial. The victim had to be terrified at the end with the way the creep smiled and blew a kiss at her. 

It really did. They got everything they wanted. The judge pretty much insured he would go free. Why he was bending over backwards so much for a unrepenting rapist I don't know. I hope she got out of town because I'm sure he would pay her a visit. 

[Mellowyellow]

On 8/21/2022 at 10:37 AM, WendyCR72 said:

Sometimes, I wonder if TIIC wanted viewers to hate Rey. The writing for him sure made it easy.

This!!! I'm watching it now and there were some episodes where they purposely wrote Lenny and Van Buren side eyeing him, in some cases flatly saying he was a jerk. There was one ep I just finished where he said he'll lock his daughters up if they do something or other and Van Buren responds "Then we'll lock you up."

 

[Mellowyellow]

Just finished Slave. That poor little boy, hoping to catch a glimpse of his mother until the very end and the look on Jack's face.

I have a little boy myself (a cuddler who loves kisses and cuddles) so that episode really hurt.

[Xeliou66]

4 hours ago, Mellowyellow said:

Just finished Slave. That poor little boy, hoping to catch a glimpse of his mother until the very end and the look on Jack's face.

I have a little boy myself (a cuddler who loves kisses and cuddles) so that episode really hurt.

Slave is one of L&O’s saddest episodes - very tragic case and the mom was just awful. Good episode though. This is also the episode where Van Buren chews Curtis’ ass out for letting the dad slap the kid in the interrogation room, and Van Buren was absolutely right, Curtis was being a pompous jackass once again. Sometimes I really wonder if Curtis was intended to be dislikable. 

[andromeda331]

On 4/16/2023 at 1:31 PM, Xeliou66 said:

Slave is one of L&O’s saddest episodes - very tragic case and the mom was just awful. Good episode though. This is also the episode where Van Buren chews Curtis’ ass out for letting the dad slap the kid in the interrogation room, and Van Buren was absolutely right, Curtis was being a pompous jackass once again. Sometimes I really wonder if Curtis was intended to be dislikable. 

I agree. It's just so sad. That poor kid deserved better.

Edited April 19, 2023 by andromeda331

[Xeliou66]

On 4/17/2023 at 12:38 AM, andromeda331 said:

I agree. It's just so sad. That poor kid deserved better.

Yeah I just watched this episode again, it’s one of L&O’s sadder episodes. Lonnie is one of L&O’s most sympathetic perps, he shot someone but he was basically sold to the scumbag drug dealer by his worthless mom and was so messed up and scared he definitely deserved some sympathy.

Curtis was such a douche in this episode, he was way out of line letting Clayton’s dad get rough in the interrogation room and he gave Van Buren attitude when she rightfully chewed him out. Van Buren had some great stuff in this episode - I liked seeing her go out and be a part of the takedown of the drug dealer, this was the only time I can recall Van Buren taking down a suspect. And I loved the bit where Lennie quoted Langston Hughes to Van Buren and said it worked well with the girls in the neighborhood he used to patrol, and Van Buren said “it works pretty good on girls from Washington Heights too”. I always loved when Lennie and Van Buren had good scenes together.

It’s a strong case but it is one of the sadder episodes of the show.

[Xeliou66]

Jeopardy was just on - I love this episode, the scene where Adam enters the interrogation room and just gives everyone a look telling them that he wants the room to himself and then confronts corrupt judge Hines is awesome. Hines was scum, he betrayed his position in the worst way possible and I loved Adam’s disgust with him. Adam could say so much with his facial expressions, both in the interrogation room and in the office at the end when it was revealed Hines killed himself. The police investigation in this one was really good as well, I liked how they zeroed in on the brother and pieced everything together. Elaine Nicodos was lucky she didn’t wind up in prison as well. It’s a great episode. 

[Spartan Girl]

I really hate the dad in “Homesick.” Not condoning his son poisoning the baby and almost letting the poor au pair take the fall for it, but I side-eye any man who’s quick to start a new trophy family while neglecting the kids from his first marriage. And to top it all off, his current wife didn’t even want kids, so it was all about him and his wants.

So I couldn’t feel that sorry for him and his threats to kill his son upon his arrest left me cold. I’m sure he wasted no time trying to start ANOTHER new family after his second wife hopefully dumped his ass.

[Xeliou66]

4 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

I really hate the dad in “Homesick.” Not condoning his son poisoning the baby and almost letting the poor au pair take the fall for it, but I side-eye any man who’s quick to start a new trophy family while neglecting the kids from his first marriage. And to top it all off, his current wife didn’t even want kids, so it was all about him and his wants.

So I couldn’t feel that sorry for him and his threats to kill his son upon his arrest left me cold. I’m sure he wasted no time trying to start ANOTHER new family after his second wife hopefully dumped his ass.

Yeah I didn’t care for that dad either, he seemed like a selfish dick. But the son was a real piece of shit as well, poisoning a baby means he deserved to rot IMO. It’s an interesting episode, pretty good mystery. 

[balmz]

i liked it too though i am curious about the son's vile motive, i think there's more then just not being able to spend time with the dad

[Spartan Girl]

8 hours ago, balmz said:

i liked it too though i am curious about the son's vile motive, i think there's more then just not being able to spend time with the dad

Well when your dad basically ditches you and your mom and is suddenly wanting to be perfect dad to a new baby while barely bothering to remember that you exist and that kind of resentment and neglect builds up for years…that’s a motive. But take it out on him, not the poor baby that he probably would’ve inevitably failed somewhere down the road.

Seriously, the au pair was the only one that really cared about the baby. The mom was hardly around (I don’t really blame her since she was pressured to have the baby) and the dad’s fatherly love was performative at best when the baby was still alive.

Edited July 19, 2023 by Spartan Girl

[andromeda331]

8 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

Well when your dad basically ditches you and your mom and is suddenly wanting to be perfect dad to a new baby while barely bothering to remember that you exist and that kind of resentment and neglect builds up for years…that’s a motive. But take it out on him, not the poor baby that he probably would’ve inevitably failed somewhere down the road.

Seriously, the au pair was the only one that really cared about the baby. The mom was hardly around (I don’t really blame her since she was pressured to have the baby) and the dad’s fatherly love was performative at best when the baby was still alive.

Yeah, I really wish he took it out on his dad. He deserved it. But he probably thought that getting rid of the baby he would get his dad back. It's a very kid thought process but it also was never going to happen. The sad truth was his dad didn't care about him anymore and nothing was going to change that. It's like the one with the daughter that killed her stepmother. She thought get rid of her stepmother would fix her family. Nope that's not the problem. The baby wasn't the problem. The dad was the problem.  

[Xeliou66]

I just watched Atonement - this is a good episode, it was interesting how it started as a missing persons case and then the body was found, and it was a good twist at the end that the drug dealer ordered the limo driver to commit the murder. The limo driver was a creep, he had deluded himself into thinking he could have a relationship with the victim and couldn’t see that she was just leading him on and then him saying that he loved her throughout was just pathetic, if he really loved her he wouldn’t have bashed her head in - he would’ve gone to the cops about the drug dealer. He was just pathetic IMO. I liked how they figured out he faked an alibi and that the killing was premeditated. I really liked the ending scene where Jack, Claire and Adam summed up the case.

Slave is on now, and I always love watching Rey get chewed out by Van Buren in this one after he let the dad hit his kid. Curtis was such a smug, self righteous prick who thought he could do whatever he wanted and he was pretty disrespectful to Van Buren as well.

[andromeda331]

On 8/31/2023 at 5:02 PM, Xeliou66 said:

I just watched Atonement - this is a good episode, it was interesting how it started as a missing persons case and then the body was found, and it was a good twist at the end that the drug dealer ordered the limo driver to commit the murder. The limo driver was a creep, he had deluded himself into thinking he could have a relationship with the victim and couldn’t see that she was just leading him on and then him saying that he loved her throughout was just pathetic, if he really loved her he wouldn’t have bashed her head in - he would’ve gone to the cops about the drug dealer. He was just pathetic IMO. I liked how they figured out he faked an alibi and that the killing was premeditated. I really liked the ending scene where Jack, Claire and Adam summed up the case.

Slave is on now, and I always love watching Rey get chewed out by Van Buren in this one after he let the dad hit his kid. Curtis was such a smug, self righteous prick who thought he could do whatever he wanted and he was pretty disrespectful to Van Buren as well.

That was a good episode. Yeah the driver was so pathetic. She wasn't into him. How he thought he could end up with her is beyond me. Bashing her head in doesn't say much for love. I like how they figured out that he faked an alibi too. The ending is really good too.

[Xeliou66]

7 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

That was a good episode. Yeah the driver was so pathetic. She wasn't into him. How he thought he could end up with her is beyond me. Bashing her head in doesn't say much for love. I like how they figured out that he faked an alibi too. The ending is really good too.

Yeah the driver was pathetic - he had deluded himself into believing the victim might date him, and if he really loved her so much like he said, he would’ve contacted the police when the drug dealer demanded he kill her, instead of luring her to her death because he was scared of the drug dealer. I like how they figured out the murder was drug related and that the dealer was involved, and how they figured out the driver faked an alibi. It’s a really good episode with an intricate plot. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

Just zipped through season six, and so pissed that WE didn't record "Encore" or other early to mid episodes I liked, because...reasons? Or because I'd already watched it? Stupid since MeTV records all of my Perry Mason even though I've watched them before!

Anyhoo.

I find I just can't deal with Rey's sanctimonious, judgmental ways, starting from his first episode! How he froze up because he's imagining his daughters as victims in "Bitter Fruit" or telling Lennie his wife just wants to make sure his partner "has his back" or some such. Like, what? Maybe Rey shouldn't have become a cop or stayed where he was. Blech.

I'm deleting, deleting, deleting. And now I'm up to season 8.

[andromeda331]

10 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Just zipped through season six, and so pissed that WE didn't record "Encore" or other early to mid episodes I liked, because...reasons? Or because I'd already watched it? Stupid since MeTV records all of my Perry Mason even though I've watched them before!

Anyhoo.

Oh, that's stinks. That's one of my favorites to rewatch.

Quote

 

I find I just can't deal with Rey's sanctimonious, judgmental ways, starting from his first episode! How he froze up because he's imagining his daughters as victims in "Bitter Fruit" or telling Lennie his wife just wants to make sure his partner "has his back" or some such. Like, what? Maybe Rey shouldn't have become a cop or stayed where he was. Blech.

I'm deleting, deleting, deleting. And now I'm up to season 8.

 

I can't either. He's such an ass he makes it hard to get through the episodes he's on. 

[Xeliou66]

15 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

Oh, that's stinks. That's one of my favorites to rewatch.

I can't either. He's such an ass he makes it hard to get through the episodes he's on. 

It’s interesting because most of the actual cases in the Curtis years are great - but I can’t stand Curtis either, he’s one of my least favorites, he’s such a smug, self righteous ass who thought the rules didn’t apply to him. 

[Spartan Girl]

20 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I find I just can't deal with Rey's sanctimonious, judgmental ways, starting from his first episode! How he froze up because he's imagining his daughters as victims in "Bitter Fruit" or telling Lennie his wife just wants to make sure his partner "has his back" or some such. Like, what? Maybe Rey shouldn't have become a cop or stayed where he was. Blech

He definitely got on my nerves that first episode. But the bitch mother that had her own daughter kidnapped by a felon (who later killed her) to spite her ex then spent the end of the episode whining about how she was the only real victim irked me more than Rey.

Edited October 27, 2023 by Spartan Girl

[GHScorpiosRule]

35 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

He definitely got on my nerves that first episode. But the bitch mother that had her own daughter kidnapped by a felon (who later killed her) to spite her exthen spent the end of the episode whining about how she was the only real victim irked me more than Rey.

I can hate them both equally. But the father was no prize, either. Even if he didn't stoop to kidnapping. And interestingly enough, the same actor, Tommy Tam(?) would return to play the father of yet another murdered tween, who was murdered by her mother in the second Homicide: Life on the Streets cross overs.

[Spartan Girl]

7 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I can hate them both equally. But the father was no prize, either. Even if he didn't stoop to kidnapping.

Yup. The girl’s shrink summed it up that she had to be the “designated adult” in that family. Not that it did her any good in the end.

[Xeliou66]

Oh yeah the parents in Bitter Fruit were awful, they seemed to hate each other more than they cared about the well being of their daughter. They were both lousy, and the mom was responsible for the daughter’s death by hiring the guy to kidnap her. I was glad they were able to put her away and I had no problem with Jack getting the kidnapper’s mom to make the statement incriminating the bitch. 
It’s a good episode, most season 6 episodes are good, but yeah Curtis really gets on my nerves. I disliked how they tried to play up the differences between him and Lennie to try to create conflict, it felt forced, and Curtis’ constant self righteous, smug attitude was a major turnoff. 

[andromeda331]

14 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I can hate them both equally. But the father was no prize, either. Even if he didn't stoop to kidnapping. And interestingly enough, the same actor, Tommy Tam(?) would return to play the father of yet another murdered tween, who was murdered by her mother in the second Homicide: Life on the Streets cross overs.

So can I. They were both horrible.