Hopes and Fears: How Will We Survive This Island? (Speculation WITHOUT Spoilers)

[dtissagirl]

I think the answer is Bam Bam is made of 300% ego, and Guggie likes that.

[Sakura12]

I think they just like doing the big flashy stunts instead of the more realistic ones. I'm happy Bam Bam doesn't work on LoT, because Caity gets to do a lot more martial arts moves then she ever got to do on Arrow. 

[tarotx]

Most of the actors on Arrow have some type of training or have no qualms using the stunt doubles with no questions asked. Caity wasn't a regular so when she was on set they told her what to do and she knows her skill level so could have an open dialogue with the stunt crew. On LOT she is a regular and working with the stunt team is important to make her character. A lot of her work on the show is stunts and leading to stunts. Stephen Amell isn't actually trained though is naturally very athletic. I believe he needs to be working with the stunt team to make his character believable. It might not be KC's fault but she's not trained either and it shows. The time working with her needs to be directed to Stephen. IMO.

 

As for why they have all 4 actors go out-maybe because people complained when Diggle was sidelined? And how much screen time would Laurel and even Thea have if we take at least half of their "action" scenes away. 

[Sakura12]

I think DR can do his own fighting stunts as well, since he's also trained. 

 

The issue with KC is, she thinks she can do them and can't. That is what is wasting everyone's time. SA and CL were probably able to do the stunts in one or two tries. While KC has talked about multiple stunts she failed at, then those had to be re-shot again with the stunt double. SA and CL know what they can and can't do and let them stunt team know that ahead of time. 

Edited March 14, 2016 by Sakura12

[BkWurm1]

As for Oliver being a magic user? I get the appeal and the dislike. If there are meta humans team arrow need help and it's best for the hero of the show to be able to be the help inside team arrow. But Magic can be hokey and very Deus ex Machina. I'm hoping that as the city rebuilds next season the city becomes like Gotham (yes I said it) and is over ran with interesting criminals and the rise of the criminal organizations again. I can handle a bit of magic but nothing too contrived.

 

I'd be fine if Oliver was able to neutralize magic, but that's the extent of magic I could handle for any of them.  Bonus points if they could use science to neutralize it instead. 

Edited March 14, 2016 by BkWurm1

[wonderwall]

In regards to sparring... Hopefully we go from this:

 

To this again:

 

 

 

 

The spar scenes were way more impressive before.

Edited March 23, 2016 by wonderwall

[lemotomato]

Looking at those gifs reminds me that CH couldn't do stunts/fights either, but at least with his double we got awesome parkour and flipping moments.

Edited March 23, 2016 by lemotomato

[wonderwall]

Seriously... That spar scene, if you can even call it that, with Laurel was pathetic. It made Laurel look unskilled (except she did show off her arms which are pretty fabulous), and Oliver look like such a rookie. 

 

The show never had to lower Oliver's skill level to make others look better and more capable until this season and that annoys the hell out of me. 

[BkWurm1]

From an emotional in show space, I don't hate Laurel anymore.  From a meta stand point and what the show has to do to make her at all relevant -that is what keeps her on my PLEASE go away list.   

[Guest]

*Shallow comment*

 

That last gif reminds me it's been too long since we've seen Diggle shirtless. Also, some good sparring, you know, whatever. I guess.

 

*Twirls*

Edited March 23, 2016 by Guest

[AyChihuahua]

Laurel looks like a Rock-'em, Sock-em Robot in that gif. I am so uncoordinated I have managed accidentally to punch myself in the face, and I could do better than that.

 

I like to think Oliver only looks bad bc he intentionally cut down to quarter-speed in deference to her incompetence.

[looptab]

"Start punching just after I duck".

[DeadZeus]

Its the action scenes overall not just the sparring. Combat just looks extremely fake and slow this season. These sparring gifs show how quick Oliver used to be.

 

But LOL at laurels face "trying hard"

Edited March 23, 2016 by DeadZeus

[Sakura12]

The sparring between Diggle, Sara and Oliver still remains one of my favorite sparring scenes. Mostly because they are all trained and were just having fun with it. And they all decided to take their shirts off for some reason.

 

I'm not complaining because if I had abs and muscles like the three of them, I would want to show them off too. 

[DeadZeus]

 

Do you see current GA do something like this?

Also the CGI here looks ten times better then the one from 4x15 where GA ziplines to Darhks building.

[Sakura12]

Except for Laurel being an idiot, jumping off a building with nothing, making Oliver have to grab her. 

[dtissagirl]

Those arms out of socket, ouch.

[bijoux]

Now that Andy's back, I would really appreciate an explanation of what went down with Deadshot. I mean, I sort of feel sorry for the contract killer since his first kill wasn't a real kill. Did HIVE give him special bullets? But didn't he lace them all in curare anyhow? So did they have some of those island herbs lying around or did they dunk the bullets in the tea before handing them over to Lawton? Explain why that man got a meaningless tattoo.

[kismet]

There are only two things I really really want from the Arrow Writers for the s4 finale ~ Give me a cliffhanger and take me to Russia. To quote a master philosopher, as Rafiki says "It is Time!!". And now, I can't help but think of some parallels between Simba and Oliver.

 

I don't care how they resolve DD, HIVE, Andy, MM, the mayor thing, Olicity or any other loose plot string. I hope is written well and executed with quality, but I honestly don't care about the resolutions. I want Russia and I want it in s5. Plus I love cliffhangers when I know a show has been renewed it gives me something to hang on to. :)

Edited April 1, 2016 by kismet

[Genki]

I wonder if the reason we didn't get flashback Brava in S4 was because of BvS used Anatoly....

[kismet]

I wonder if the reason we didn't get flashback Brava in S4 was because of BvS used Anatoly....

That could explain why this season was exceptionally bad because they had to scramble to get together a plot/story. Because the flashbacks on running on vapors now, they are literally redoing the same scene over and over again. At least they have the hallway to run/film in so that it must be more cost effective than filming on location.

 

Waiting to use my free movie passes to see BvS, but at least I have Anatoly to look forward to.

[bijoux]

I wonder if the reason we didn't get flashback Brava in S4 was because of BvS used Anatoly....

The actor ot the character?

[Genki]

The actor ot the character?

 

Character

[bijoux]

Gasp. That better not mean we're not getting the character back ever again?

[BkWurm1]

I just saw BvS yesterday and while I can guess who was Anatoly, his character is not memorable enough to warrant losing our Anatoly.  They could have used any randomly named mercenary/thug.  I didn't even pick up on the name until I came to this thread (even thought I knew before I went that Anatoly was supposed to be in it)

[bijoux]

Phew. That's good news. Thanks for clearing it up.

[BkWurm1]

Well, to be more clear, I can't see why they'd need to reserve his name but who knows with this bunch.  The character had a number of scenes, there were just nothing that couldn't have been done by any old rando.

[Guest]

Arrow's Anatoli and BvS's Anatoli seemed like completely different characters to me, even though they share the same name. Also I really don't think there will be an issue bringing him back for s5 flashbacks which I'm hoping for because Bratva! I understand why they wouldn't want to use him in the year that BvS came out but next year should be fine.

 

I should also add that I don't know how any of this works and who gets to decide what character is used and when and for all I know I'm talking out of my ass. LOL.

[Sakura12]

Sara beat up a bunch of Bravata thugs in 1986, then broke into a gulag in LoT, so I have to imagine they are going to bring them up again in Arrow. 

[nksarmi]

I can only hope we are getting the Bratva at some point because this season of flashbacks was so very boring and kind of pointless.  I mean, I honestly felt that Oliver was close to becoming season one Oliver at the end of season three when he took revenge for the death of Mateo and Tatsu's son than he is now.

[tarotx]

Sara beat up a bunch of Bravata thugs in 1986, then broke into a gulag in LoT, so I have to imagine they are going to bring them up again in Arrow. 

And the little boy in the scene was Anatoli :)

[bijoux]

No! Baby Anatoly? Oh God, I did not like what I saw of this show, but things like these are tempting. What did he do? Was he already as dry as he was on the Amazo and Craphole Island?

[Sakura12]

And the little boy in the scene was Anatoli :)

 

 

I don't remember seeing a kid anywhere during the Russian episodes. 

Edited April 2, 2016 by Sakura12

[tarotx]

I don't remember seeing a kid anywhere during the Russian episodes. 

He's a teen actually. I'll see if I can find the video of him. He's barely seen but credited. 

[tarotx]

He's a teen actually. I'll see if I can find the video of him. He's barely seen but credited. 

I can't find the video but here's a blurry scene cap

[kismet]

Anatoly was a towel boy?? Oh now that is a back story that needs some fleshing out. Towel Boy to Bratva Leader to Prisoner on Experimental Slave Ship back to kickass present day Crime Boss. Please s5 is just begging for this story.

[Sakura12]

I didn't even notice there was a kid there. Granted when Sara's kicking ass in a scene all my focus is on her. 

 

Are they creating some alternate time line now? I suppose teenage Anatoly might not think that the woman in white that came charging in a men's locker room was the same young college girl he met on Ivo's ship. But it's the October 2008 thing that's throwing me. The Gambit sank in 2007, Oliver said about a year later he saw Sara again making it 2008. Did they only spend a few months on the island together, not another year? Did Ra's forget and send Nyssa in 2009? Or is it just a continuity issue? Or are they pushing back the flashbacks so they do not match with the present timeline, giving themselves time to continue the flashback past season 5. Which would mean we are not in year 4, but still in year 3. 

Edited April 2, 2016 by Sakura12

[bijoux]

I'm thinking it's either an oversight or Sara trying to change things by getting rescued either before or just after seeing Oliver again. 

 

Considering how bad at least the Arrow writing team is with maths, the first option is more than likely. Even if I think Sara making some sort of play to change things could be more interesting. 

[Genki]

I had taken that day off work to run errands, but I don't remember if I actually got anything done after the promo dropped and tumblr exploded. My expectations were so low at that point I couldn't believe Olicity sex was actually going to happen.

 

The fan creativity in the 3 weeks between the promo and when 3x20 aired was amazing. So much fic, art, gifs, metas/theories. All over a couple seconds in a 1 minute promo. Good times.

 

 

Gifs! (source)

 

 

 

We need something similar to to be released during the hiatus between 4.18 & 4.19, hopefully with another Olicity sex scene.

 

It really feels like CWPromo has dropped the ball on Arrow.

[BkWurm1]

To be fair, where are they going to get another ball quite as big? 

[lemotomato]

I would've said Olicity wedding, except they squandered that opportunity for the fake wedding.

[Chaser]

To be fair, where are they going to get another ball quite as big? 

Sometimes I'm 12. My mind went to places. 

[EmilyBettFan]

When they have two leads like this and horrible PR it's just so frustrating.

[Genki]

To be fair, where are they going to get another ball quite as big? 

 

True and @lemontomato is right they dropped the ball on the wedding by have the fake out.

 

But here is what II feel like they should do.  It's basically following the same formula as above.

 

Start off with the aftermath of the big death [sad music grave shots etc] surviving character reactions, then Limousine scene scene, "you know what you have to do next", then flash to a bunch of action shots, then Olicty grief/YOLO sex (I refuse to believe there won't be any), then other couples like Diggle/Lyla, or Diggle/Andy, Alex/Thea, etc...(whoever survives) then some tag line that sets the tone for the final run of episodes.

[kismet]

I want YOLO sex, but they already had that in Nanda Parbat... So I can't imagine a death is going to inspire YOLO sex. I don't know about grief sex, I like the idea of it but it always ruins my fav couples. They did it on a soap for a couple I loved and I never quite reconciled the writers' decision because I feel like it was a disservice to the couple. FS had some pretty valid reasons to step away and OQ has some pretty big mistakes to learn from - I would only see YOLO/Grief sex as a bigger complication.

 

I honestly would love to see some Dig/Lyla grief sex because I would love to see a Diggle love scene. Frankly, I want to see it more than I want to see another O/F sex scene. Because an O/F love scene would only be there to bridge the gap and bait the audience to stick around for the big finale episodes. I don't think I really want to see a O/F love scene unless they have reconciled. As hot as it would be, I sorta feel like they are at a turning point right now and sex would just mess things up. However, a shirtless Diggle taking care of Lyla, perhaps as they not only grieve the death but also potential betrayal that would be amazing. And those arms, just imagine them in a love scene.

[Genki]

Huh! You're right, 3.20 was basically YOLO sex, but really it didn't register with me that way.

 

To be honest after Oliver finds out about the death, I just want him to go to Felicity for comfort, in a time where he feels vulnerable, which would IMO, kick-start Oliver's proof of change. The death needs to start moving them back towards each other, and I really would like to see Olicty comforting each other as a contrast to the Limousine scene's distance (which I'm not sure how that happens since their relationships as it stands, doesn't require that coldness). Note, I would also take some grief snuggling.

 

The other reason why I think grief sex/YOLO sex would work around 4.19 or 4.20 is because, if they only get back together by the final episode, there will be NO TIME for an Olicity sex scene and damnit we deserve one after the BMD plot contrived break-up.

[tarotx]

Now I'm thinking about Buffy "Touched" and I'm not sure that's a good thing but then again I wasn't a fan of most of those pairings...

[kismet]

I'm on board for O/F grief comforting and snuggling.... I do really want the death to help be part of the process that brings them back together. But it should be the kindling of them reconsidering their choices and beginning to orbit back to each other. As it stands between the death & the services, it will only be 2 eps (a few weeks at most) when will OQ be able to show his growth? And no offense, but him being vulnerable and turning to FS for comfort to me does not show growth. It can show the depth of their love for each other despite his mistakes.

 

However, the boy has a lot more to do than just turning to FS for comfort to prove that he has learned from his mistakes. He needs to turn to her for her knowledge, advice and input on his life & more importantly their life together. Him opening up to FS about his grief is a start but it needs more time & more episodes to really learn & prove to her. Likewise, she needs more time too. Perhaps that can just have AMAZING make-up sex in 422/423!! Maybe a love scene in each episode or one that extends from one to the other.

 

But if they must put a love scene in 420 for reasons (which we do deserve regardless of BMD) ~ I still vote Dyla - because this is the year of Diggle, right? So bring it on...

[Password]

Basically how CarrieAnn wrote the fanfic.

[kismet]

Basically how CarrieAnn wrote the fanfic.

Didn't read it... which one was it? I generally don't read fan fic that fixes or covers current material from the active season - it messes with my head & the show's canon. But I would probably love to read it afterwards.