S03.E07: Feast

[TV Anonymous]

Just a heads-up for fellow Canadians. Because of the 2-episode premiere of Star Trek: Discovery, the episode will not be on Space this week and consequently it will be a week late. It is not yet known if the series will be delayed a week or if Space will air this episode only on special time before episode 8.

[FnkyChkn34]

Ok, so what's the deal with the youngest son? I think he exists, he's not a figment of Vellek's imagination, but he's also not normal. Did Vellek clone himself? He's not really his son? 

Also, what was with the Greens? And there were some scenes from the very beginning that weren't visited again, like Rios questioning Jeter, and Ray and Tex's daughter. 

Pretty disjointed episode, imo. 

[Raja]

How about that, not America, not the US Navy but watch out daddy, Tom Chandler is coming after you

[ChiliCrab]

The Greens are sticking to their no fraternizing rule. Meanwhile, we have Danny and Kara 2.0 with Little Tex and Ray. Are Wolf and Kandie supposed to be Burk and Ravit? 

Maybe Vellek had experimented on his other son and it failed somehow? I was expecting to find some answers as to how the virus went infecting people to killing crops but nothing on that end. They did took pains to explain that the seed makes extreme pacifists out of hardened warriors but nothing on the red rust.

Fletcher must have realized by now that he’s been played by Sinclair and that Vellel has no plans to hand over the seeds to anyone else any time soon. Was the person Fletcher was talking to on the phone from the Home Office or one of Sinclair’s cohorts?

The raid on Giorgio’s mansion reminded me of when they infiltrated Peng’s mansion last season. Only this time they have Kandie and her bikini as diversion.  

Now that they know we know Vellek’s on a ship, is it too much to ask for a naval battle like we used to have with the sub? 

[Dowel Jones]

The Greek Navy actually kicked down a ship to share camera time with the Nathan James.  F461 is the Limnos.

I got a kick out of the fact that the CC for Omar's (assumed) last words was "Oh shit".

With Fletcher being still alive, there will absolutely have to be confrontation with Sasha at some point.

With all the worldwide famine and such, is using grain for distilling and producing liquor the highest priority people can find?  You would think that the grain stocks would have been looted a long time ago.  Or maybe distillation is the only thing left for red rust crops.

[FnkyChkn34]

6 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

 

With all the worldwide famine and such, is using grain for distilling and producing liquor the highest priority people can find?  You would think that the grain stocks would have been looted a long time ago.  Or maybe distillation is the only thing left for red rust crops.

Liquor stores are probably still from before the flu. I don't know about vodka, but liquor like whiskey and scotch are distilled for more than 2 years, and often for as long as 10+ years. Soon, liquor might be all they have left. It's been protected in its barrels in warehouses and caves. 

[xaxat]

This show has switched from being a military drama to being a melodrama with military aspects. I much prefer the former, but I'll stick around for the latter.

Oh Greek admiral. Always make sure your host takes the first bite when eating with an Evil Mastermind.

Bye Omar! (BTW. How the hell did he sneak his whole army past the watchful eye of the Nathan James?)

Peter Weller is having a lot of fun.

So Kandie's primary role this season is to generate sexual tension? (Wolf, Burk, Granderson, Giogio)

13 hours ago, ChiliCrab said:

Fletcher must have realized by now that he’s been played by Sinclair

 

12 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

With Fletcher being still alive, there will absolutely have to be confrontation with Sasha at some point.

I'm not really looking forward to that redemption arc. He'll probably die in her arms having tried to atone for his sins.

16 hours ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

Ok, so what's the deal with the youngest son?

I think he's an hallucination generated by nostos.  When there was a confrontation between Giorgio and Vellek during the dinner party over the "other" son's attendance they included a long shot of Vellek deciding to not drink from a teapot that I think contained the drug. Perhaps this son died in the plague?

[FnkyChkn34]

6 minutes ago, xaxat said:

I think he's an hallucination generated by nostos.  When there was a confrontation between Giorgio and Vellek during the dinner party over the "other" son's attendance they included a long shot of Vellek deciding to not drink from a teapot that I think contained the drug. Perhaps this son died in the plague?

I also thought of that, but didn't he interact with the others in one of the first scenes of the episode?  I think Fletcher met him, when Giorgio and Lucia were there as well.  Even if Lucia and Giorgio humor Vellek and also pretend he's alive, I was thinking that Fletcher wouldn't be in on the act as well.  Maybe I'll have to re-watch that scene, to see if Fletcher looks completely confused, or if they did talk.

[MissLucas]

14 hours ago, ChiliCrab said:

Fletcher must have realized by now that he’s been played by Sinclair and that Vellel has no plans to hand over the seeds to anyone else any time soon. Was the person Fletcher was talking to on the phone from the Home Office or one of Sinclair’s cohorts?

He called her Command so I assumed she was either the PM or the head of MI6.

Vellek's ghost son did not interact with any of the others he was there providing lines like a Greek chorus (see what I did there). There's even a scene where he carefully steps aside to not bump into Georgio I think (i.e. so that we would not see Giorgio walking right through him). I assume he's a hallucination the other kids know about.

Kuddos to whoever wrote this episode for injecting some humor. "Yeah, well, that music alone could kill us", had me laughing out loud. As did Slattery's "This goddamn hippie."

Edited September 25, 2017 by MissLucas

[Raja]

46 minutes ago, xaxat said:

 

So Kandie's primary role this season is to generate sexual tension? (Wolf, Burk, Granderson, Giogio)

 

 

That scene with Giogio reminded me of the very first scene of the Maggie Q version of La Femme Nikita. So what if she looked good, everybody  there, presumably the upper class trying to get close to power and are not forced to be there comfort women looked just as good as her but the mark, Giogio in this case makes a beeline for our woman.

[thuganomics85]

Oh, Giorgio!  Sure, your nothing but a slimy little sleaze, but it still has to suck knowing you are daddy's least favorite.  Although, really, he totally prefers his dead son over his live ones.  Yes, I'm totally behind the theory that Drew Roy's character is actually dead and can only be seen by Velleck, and the rest are just humoring hi.

So, basically Velleck's grand plan is to use the seeds to make everyone docile, and he basically rules over all of them?  Really?  Whatever, I don't care.  I'm all about just watching Peter Weller continue to dine on the scenery.

I bet Fletcher is slightly regretting his decision now.

Hey, Green and Foster have a scene together!

Kandie's grand bikini strut was the typical "Of course, the good-looking regular suddenly regulates the good-looking extras obsolete" scene, but Jodie Turner-Smith does have a great body.  I just wish they start having her be more then the person Wolf is crushing on.

Meanwhile, Eric Dane and Bridget Regan continue to prove that just because two people look great together in theory, doesn't mean it works in practice.  There is just no chemistry between Chandler and Sasha.

I have a feeling Adam Baldwin really enjoyed getting to snarl about "hippies" in disgust.....

[Lonesome Rhodes]

Sasha and chemistry?  Maybe with a skunk.

Yet another firefight and zero concussive devices, save the massive bomb requiring a fuse.  I simply do not understand why, when it was pretty much Omar against at least 4, they didn't simply blow away the mortar and bricks protecting Omar.  The bullets would have been more than sufficient.  It was literally impossible that they weren't hitting that column with hundreds of rounds.  Yet, we saw maybe a couple of dozen hits.  And no grenades.  None.  The civilians had fled by that time, so there was no ROE issue.

They can explain away it in any convoluted fashion they like, but Chandler was dead wrong to want to go after the lab at the time he proposed it.  This retcon with the fool captain ironically stating that Chandler was right was yet another unforced error that adds to the silliness to which this show has succumbed.

Well, we got some half-assed memorial service.  No actual burial.  Anyone wanna give odds on what the crew would have DEMANDED by way of honors and funeral for their lost and utterly heroic comrades?  It would have been full on.  All bells and whistles, save none.  It was a bad miss by TPTB who know full well a vast amount of their audience wants their military "porn."

As much as I bought Vellek's worldview in that presentation last ep, this one was true madness.  

Speaking of, did anyone else laugh when Giorgio got all butt hurt because daddio demonstrated for the umptenth time he has little respect for him?  He was as a little boy.  Just awful TV.   

[FnkyChkn34]

I agree with the comments saying, "why no grenades?" Green had a giant backpack. What was in it if not weapons, everyone's lunch? 

[Catronia]

I enjoyed the moments of hilarity in this episode. I mean, Azima taking off layers of combat gear to reveal her Emergency Strappy Bikini was just so Bond Girl and ridiculous but awesome.

And:

CHANDLER (incredulously): Is that Caligula?

GIORGIO (indignantly): It was a gift!

I have to say, Giorgio's adolescent petulance is growing on me. He can be pretty funny. I'm glad he made it out alive.

Loved Slattery's growling "he's a damn hippie." Reminded me of his character on Chuck.

Sasha finally put her hair back for a raid! But I hated her "it's all about me. Me, me, me!" response when Chandler was talking about Fletcher.

[FnkyChkn34]

6 hours ago, Catronia said:

Loved Slattery's growling "he's a damn hippie." Reminded me of his character on Chuck.

Yes, me too!  I loved Chuck and miss it!  With all the shows that are returning, like Will & Grace and Prison Break, I'm still holding out hope... :-)

[meeeechiganman]

cracks me up every time their is a fire fight Hollywood uses tables and cars to block bullets.  During the assault on the villa our heroes  overturn a random table and it blocks rapid fire high velocity rounds shot at them from the pool deck.  In real life both of those objects wont protect you.  too funny.

[raven]

On 9/26/2017 at 3:23 AM, Catronia said:

I enjoyed the moments of hilarity in this episode. I mean, Azima taking off layers of combat gear to reveal her Emergency Strappy Bikini was just so Bond Girl and ridiculous but awesome.

The actress has a ton of charisma, they should use her for more than flirting.  Wolf's reaction was pretty good "that's not how I saw this happening in my dreams" or something to that effect.

I'm still annoyed by Giorgio et al yapping at Chandler for whatyoudidtomysister - they had ONE NIGHT together.  It's not like they had a long relationship and he proposed marriage.  UGH.

Other than that, I'm in the camp that enjoys Giorgio except for the awful man-bun; just the thing so you know you can't take him too seriously.

[Catronia]

Yes, she really draws the eye in every scene she's in. I agree they should use her for more than the flirting, though I love that she flirts with pretty much everyone. Male, female, available or not, she works her mojo!

I loved the sudden appearance of the man-bun on Giorgio -- just as you said, it made him even sillier :-) I think he and Eric Dane are building a nice rapport.

[raven]

5 minutes ago, Catronia said:

I think he and Eric Dane are building a nice rapport.

The other bit that made me laugh was when they were going back and forth and Giorgio says something like "you don't negotiate with terrorists! HA! Hoisted on your own petard!"  It was the exaggerated HA! that cracked me up :)

[BasilSeal]

On 25/09/2017 at 3:09 AM, FnkyChkn34 said:

Ok, so what's the deal with the youngest son? I think he exists, he's not a figment of Vellek's imagination, but he's also not normal. Did Vellek clone himself? He's not really his son? 

There's certainly something odd about the third son, the name Christos is Greek for Christ, or the anointed one, so some sort of Messiah figure?

Watching the scene with Christos again, he only interacts with Vellic, Georgio storms out and christos has to sidestep out of the way, this could be because Georgio is angry and pushes past, but could be because he doesn't see him. At this point Georgia also tosses an object to Fletcher, anyone know what this is?

Vellic only talks directly to Christos once the others have left, he says let's d this together son, and takes a drink of something. I'm coming round to the hallucination theory, Vellic is on something related to the nostos drug, but presumably without the pacifying element, that gives him realistic hallucinations of his dead son.

[FnkyChkn34]

32 minutes ago, BasilSeal said:

There's certainly something odd about the third son, the name Christos is Greek for Christ, or the anointed one, so some sort of Messiah figure?

Watching the scene with Christos again, he only interacts with Vellic, Georgio storms out and christos has to sidestep out of the way, this could be because Georgio is angry and pushes past, but could be because he doesn't see him. At this point Georgia also tosses an object to Fletcher, anyone know what this is?

Vellic only talks directly to Christos once the others have left, he says let's d this together son, and takes a drink of something. I'm coming round to the hallucination theory, Vellic is on something related to the nostos drug, but presumably without the pacifying element, that gives him realistic hallucinations of his dead son.

 I'm also coming around to the hallucination theory... but the others, like Lucia, know about him, whatever he is. 

[BasilSeal]

Lucia makes the comment that they don't like their father's behaviour when he's around Christos, which is an odd statement as vellic appears to be equally batshit mental around everyone, if he's a hallucination then you're correct that Lucia and Georgio are aware their father sees it.

When the hallucination theory was first suggested i thought it was way to complicated for the last ship, but on reflection, in a post plague world, where virtually everyone has lost loved ones, the allure of a drug that gave you realistic visions of your dead spouse or children would be very strong. Which kind of gives the apparent nature of the nostos drug a greater significance. It would also lead to inevitable soul searching for chandler when he eventually pulls the plug on Vellic's dastardly plan as to whether the has the right to deprive the remains of the world's population a chance to see their dead loved ones once more.

[ChiliCrab]

2 hours ago, BasilSeal said:

When the hallucination theory was first suggested i thought it was way to complicated for the last ship, but on reflection, in a post plague world, where virtually everyone has lost loved ones, the allure of a drug that gave you realistic visions of your dead spouse or children would be very strong. Which kind of gives the apparent nature of the nostos drug a greater significance. It would also lead to inevitable soul searching for chandler when he eventually pulls the plug on Vellic's dastardly plan as to whether the has the right to deprive the remains of the world's population a chance to see their dead loved ones once more.

This reminds me of Slattery's conversation with Jeter after he was rescued. Slattery told Jeter how real his hallucinations were and how tempting it would be to drink the nostos again just to have the chance to see his family again. I never really thought much about it but looking back on Slattery's hallucinations, his visions of his family were more focused on his son who he was sure was dead rather than on his other family members whose fate are still unknown and could still be alive somewhere.

[FnkyChkn34]

18 hours ago, BasilSeal said:

Lucia makes the comment that they don't like their father's behaviour when he's around Christos, which is an odd statement as vellic appears to be equally batshit mental around everyone, if he's a hallucination then you're correct that Lucia and Georgio are aware their father sees it.

When the hallucination theory was first suggested i thought it was way to complicated for the last ship, but on reflection, in a post plague world, where virtually everyone has lost loved ones, the allure of a drug that gave you realistic visions of your dead spouse or children would be very strong. Which kind of gives the apparent nature of the nostos drug a greater significance. It would also lead to inevitable soul searching for chandler when he eventually pulls the plug on Vellic's dastardly plan as to whether the has the right to deprive the remains of the world's population a chance to see their dead loved ones once more.

 

15 hours ago, ChiliCrab said:

This reminds me of Slattery's conversation with Jeter after he was rescued. Slattery told Jeter how real his hallucinations were and how tempting it would be to drink the nostos again just to have the chance to see his family again. I never really thought much about it but looking back on Slattery's hallucinations, his visions of his family were more focused on his son who he was sure was dead rather than on his other family members whose fate are still unknown and could still be alive somewhere.

My guess would be if it comes down to deciding whether or not the world should get nostos, it'll be Slattery who says no.  That was rough on him, and they won't want to "torture" everyone else like that; Vellek clearly has issues.  They'll decide that it's time to move on and heal rather than keep reliving the past.

[BasilSeal]

1 minute ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

My guess would be if it comes down to deciding whether or not the world should get nostos, it'll be Slattery who says no.  That was rough on him, and they won't want to "torture" everyone else like that; Vellek clearly has issues.  They'll decide that it's time to move on and heal rather than keep reliving the past.

Indeed, also, the illusory version of Christos seems to be a bit somewhat malevolent, he's pleased that Vellic is being nasty to Giorgio, we see him smile. perhaps the dead have a negative influence on the living, and it's this hallucination of his dead son that has sent Vellic into full on mad scientist modee. (this assumes the theory that Christos is an illusion is correct)

[ottoDbusdriver]

Giorgio: "I want you to reach far, I want you to reach wide and I want you to line up every fine piece of ass in the Peloponnese" 

Seriously, they should just submit the Emmy tape from this episode right now.

Vellek's real plan is to control the food supply and chemically control the aggressive nature out of people so they will do his bidding -- so basically he's starting his own version of Monsanto. 

And the Greek Navy was able to re-establish a small fleet of at least 4 ships under Demetrios' control that we know of -- and he sold them out to Vellek.

[TV Anonymous]

Alright, just to add to what has been discussed here.

Giorgio went back to his mansion just as the explosive exploded. Apparently, he was not hurt, except for some redness on his neck. Suspend disbelief? Okay, why not. Moments later he was in his father's lab which turned out to be located in one of the Hellenic Navy frigates.  Question. How did Giorgio get to the frigate without the Nathan James detecting?