Season 8: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion

[GrailKing]

So far the best I can deduce ( and I may be wrong ) Arya is the Valuqoar ( sp ) at 6 minutes in, it's 23 minutes long, and I'm playing it at 1/2 speed, but translation in YT sucks. Quyburn's face maybe, but I think he's saying Arya takes Jamie's face.

I think he's saying Arya enters, but Cersei is dead or dying from the caved in roof. Arya must leave or she could also die, she goes through the RK tunnels where she was chasing the cats.

Now he's on Sophie's DS interview, code name for season 8 he says Face of Angels, (but it should be Faith of Angels) and basically saying all leaks of Sansa dying in WF are false. ( of course we all here or most of us) knew that already. He Sansa makes it to EP 6, at that point he gives Sansa 50/50 odds.

Having harder time on Danni, I think he's talking about her flying over the dragon pit.

I think the breech we seen earlier, is not for Jon and company to get into KL, but the opposite, to let the people out of KL. really YT translate sucks. :/

I think he is saying Beric Dondarrion may resurrect Danni either per Jon's request or because Jon will sacrifices himself for every body. He mentions the vision of the HOTU, Khal Drogo and gives Danni 50/50 odds.

He gives Arya 100% odds of surviving, because of her faceless man skills, he mentions Arya and west of westeros, also Arya and word Lady ( not Sansa's wolf ). Ends with pitching his T-shirts. Comes back talking about the B & W poster with the NK and Jon etc. Mentions Javi and a Spanish holiday, I'm confused at this point. : ) Okay, he's talking about a non HBO official convention or meeting for fans, I guess he and Javi and someone else may be hosting.

 

 

I wonder with Friki saying Sansa and Danni @ 50/50 and Dondarrion ( maybe ) having to give his life for one of them, that Jon has to make the choice.

This would follow Ned's choice in Darry's camp. Of course I'm waiting for a native translator.

Edited July 12, 2018 by GrailKing

[anamika]

19 hours ago, Eyes High said:

coupled with what we know about the big KL exterior sequence filmed with Maisie, Kit and Liam but without Sophie and others who filmed at Seville (Joe, e.g.), the timeline for 8x06 mystifies me...especially since /BoatsexBaby has named eight characters she knows are involved in the KL battle because they filmed KL scenes elsewhere--Jaime, Brienne, Jon, Dany, Arya, the NK, Bran, and Melisandre--but hasn't named Tyrion or Sansa as part of that battle.

Does Sansa just pop up at the Dragonpit, run around in the middle of the battle, and then hide out there for the remainder of the KL sequence while Arya, Jon, Davos, etc. do all the work of (I assume) shepherding KL residents to safety as KL burns to the ground, as Kit, Maisie, and Liam were filming those scenes through May and June? The KL exterior sequence involving Jon, Davos and Arya must take place separate from whatever was shot at Seville

Are you getting all this from Boatsexbaby? Because, again, Tyrion should be involved in exterior KL filming considering Peter has been in Belfast pretty much all the time while filming on the KL set was going on in May-June.

As for Liam. I am sure he was there for filming on KL set in June because he said he has more filming to do. But I don't think he was there as much as Kit, Maisie and Peter.

If you ask me, based on actor sightings in Belfast etc., I would say that Kit, Maisie and Peter have done the most filming on the exterior KL sets during May-June-July.

23 hours ago, Eyes High said:

The fact that Sophie came back to Belfast a number of times after Seville before leaving for good makes me wonder about all the post-Seville actor sightings for those actors who unlike Maisie, Kit, NCW and Liam (among others) didn’t explicitly state they were still filming: Isaac, Pilou, Gwen, etc.

There were instagram pictures taken early June of Isaac, NCW and Gwen wearing some T-shirt for refugees. I do think they were there at the same time to film and not for ADR.

Edited July 12, 2018 by anamika

[Happy Harpy]

Somebody posted and translated it on Freefolk. It's too early for Frikidoktor to have legit info; those are just his speculations and not spoilers.

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[–]Hang_the_dj2 5 points 8 hours ago 

He speculates from the leaks (photos and statements) of the filming.

 

Edited July 12, 2018 by Happy Harpy

[bubble sparkly]

Even though Friki appears to be guessing about the "kiss of life" thing I do think it's a possibility, as it seems to be a relatively popular book reader theory.  From what I understand, people think that Lady Stoneheart will give Jon the KOL (or KOL someone for Jon's benefit) in the books, but as she isn't in the show they will change it to Beric.  Since Jon is clearly the main hero of GOT I could definitely see Cat KOL-ing Jon/Jon's proxy as atonement for treating him like shit when he was growing up.  Most people that have wronged Jon in some way either end up dead or suffer other consequences - the benefit of the main character vengeance eventually triumphing over all!  Plus, D&D did make sure to have Jon and Beric bond a bit during the wight hunt so it wouldn't be out of the blue for Beric to give his final life for Jon/the greater good etc.

TBH I could totally see D&D going uber-dramatic with this in the finale.  Like, there is the last big battle with the NK in King's Landing, Jon and the troops on the ground and Dany in the air with Drogon.  After much fighting Dany gets hit with a spear/crossbow and falls to her death.  An enraged Jon uses his last bit of strength to beat the NK and he and all the wights start dropping like flies.  Cut to Jon sobbing his eyes out and cradling poor dead Dany and (maybe) unborn Targ foetus.  Suddenly, Beric appears from the rubble, gives a little speech about how J/D are the future of Westeros or something, then does the KOL magic.  Cue Dany gasping for air to mirror Jon's resurrection, and tearful smooching to celebrate another back from the dead miracle. 

[nikma]

But it seems that Beric will die in the North. Actor wasn't spotted in Spain. 

[GrailKing]

4 hours ago, nikma said:

But it seems that Beric will die in the North. Actor wasn't spotted in Spain. 

Could be a secret scene we don't know about.

[Eyes High]

11 hours ago, anamika said:

Are you getting all this from Boatsexbaby? Because, again, Tyrion should be involved in exterior KL filming considering Peter has been in Belfast pretty much all the time while filming on the KL set was going on in May-June.

Unlike with Kit, Maisie and Liam, whom we can say were filming after Seville for several weeks with some certainty, we don’t know what Peter was doing in Belfast after Seville. Sophie was spotted in Belfast off and on after Seville until early June, but we now know for certain that she wrapped in Seville, so that makes me wonder about Peter.

5 hours ago, nikma said:

But it seems that Beric will die in the North. Actor wasn't spotted in Spain. 

Neither was Tobias Menzies or Gemma Whelan, and yet they were there (Tobias was seen at the airport on the way back, Gemma posted a selfie that allowed fans to pinpoint her location).

Also, it looks like the bit with three riders with flaming swords may take place in KL after all. Wouldn’t it make sense for Beric to be one of them?

[SimoneS]

4 hours ago, Eyes High said:

Neither was Tobias Menzies or Gemma Whelan, and yet they were there (Tobias was seen at the airport on the way back, Gemma posted a selfie that allowed fans to pinpoint her location).

I saw the picture of the man that someone claimed was Tobias Menzies at the airport and that person didn't look anything like him.

Edited July 12, 2018 by SimoneS

[Eyes High]

48 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

I saw the picture of the man that someone claimed was Tobias Menzies at the airport and that person didn't look anything like him.

I thought so, too, but the person who took the photos swears it was him. I guess we’ll see. 

Miguel Sapochnik posted a farewell to Belfast after wrapping S8. 

[GrailKing]

16 hours ago, Happy Harpy said:

Somebody posted and translated it on Freefolk. It's too early for Frikidoktor to have legit info; those are just his speculations and not spoilers.

 

I didn't find that translation. : (

[Happy Harpy]

1 hour ago, GrailKing said:

I didn't find that translation. : (

Even searching with the username in the quote? (Hang_the_dj2)

Edit: Found the thread.

https://old.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/8y3try/game_of_thrones_arya_stark_the_last_survivor_the/

Edited July 13, 2018 by Happy Harpy

[GrailKing]

1 hour ago, Happy Harpy said:

Even searching with the username in the quote? (Hang_the_dj2)

Edit: Found the thread.

https://old.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/8y3try/game_of_thrones_arya_stark_the_last_survivor_the/

Oh, I thought you meant a whole new complete translation, I saw this one last night as I linked the vid on pg 70.

Thanks.

[anamika]

16 hours ago, Eyes High said:

Unlike with Kit, Maisie and Liam, whom we can say were filming after Seville for several weeks with some certainty, we don’t know what Peter was doing in Belfast after Seville. Sophie was spotted in Belfast off and on after Seville until early June, but we now know for certain that she wrapped in Seville, so that makes me wonder about Peter.

Was Sophie really spotted in Belfast all that much in May? A quick search on FF shows me that after Seville shooting she was seen in Belfast with Maisie on the weekend Spain filming ended. And then wrap party get together. And that's about it for May. At the start of June she went to Australia and has been hanging out with her fiance since then. Which was one of the reasons why I thought that Seville was where she had wrapped.

Plus considering that a lot of the Moneyglass filming (Winterfell set) took place from January to March and KL filming started mid April, I am curious about when she wrapped in April.  There was some filming at the multi-set at Corbet - it's served as the Great Hall of Winterfell and Riverrun -  around April 16th and Moneyglass is not that far away. It could be where Sophie was filming before she wrapped in the Winterfell courtyard with other actors. 

And just looking at EveryfckngChicken's collection of filming information, it looks like Maisie has filmed in every damn location except for Iceland and Dubrovnik. And she started filming first before the table read even began and finished last. And has basically filmed non-stop in the middle. Like Damn. Even taking into account things like rehearsals, fight practice, choreography etc. that's something.

Cleganebowl? 

Possibly Dany or Jon falling off their dragon and dying in the snow...Higher chances of it being Dany considering she is the character supposedly providing air support in KL.

Edited July 13, 2018 by anamika

[shireenbamfatheon]

8 hours ago, anamika said:

Was Sophie really spotted in Belfast all that much in May? A quick search on FF shows me that after Seville shooting she was seen in Belfast with Maisie on the weekend Spain filming ended. And then wrap party get together. And that's about it for May. At the start of June she went to Australia and has been hanging out with her fiance since then. Which was one of the reasons why I thought that Seville was where she had wrapped.

Plus considering that a lot of the Moneyglass filming (Winterfell set) took place from January to March and KL filming started mid April, I am curious about when she wrapped in April.  There was some filming at the multi-set at Corbet - it's served as the Great Hall of Winterfell and Riverrun -  around April 16th and Moneyglass is not that far away. It could be where Sophie was filming before she wrapped in the Winterfell courtyard with other actors. 

And just looking at EveryfckngChicken's collection of filming information, it looks like Maisie has filmed in every damn location except for Iceland and Dubrovnik. And she started filming first before the table read even began and finished last. And has basically filmed non-stop in the middle. Like Damn. Even taking into account things like rehearsals, fight practice, choreography etc. that's something.

Cleganebowl? 

Possibly Dany or Jon falling off their dragon and dying in the snow...Higher chances of it being Dany considering she is the character supposedly providing air support in KL.

 

If it's true then I think it's Dany, given how close she came to being shot off her dragon last season and Tyrion's subsequent worry that she might die without an heir. And it's a much better death than dying in childbirth, which is a terrible ending for the character.

Edited July 13, 2018 by shireenbamfatheon

[Eyes High]

8 hours ago, anamika said:

Was Sophie really spotted in Belfast all that much in May? A quick search on FF shows me that after Seville shooting she was seen in Belfast with Maisie on the weekend Spain filming ended. And then wrap party get together. And that's about it for May. At the start of June she went to Australia and has been hanging out with her fiance since then. Which was one of the reasons why I thought that Seville was where she had wrapped.

Plus considering that a lot of the Moneyglass filming (Winterfell set) took place from January to March and KL filming started mid April, I am curious about when she wrapped in April.  There was some filming at the multi-set at Corbet - it's served as the Great Hall of Winterfell and Riverrun -  around April 16th and Moneyglass is not that far away. It could be where Sophie was filming before she wrapped in the Winterfell courtyard with other actors. 

And just looking at EveryfckngChicken's collection of filming information, it looks like Maisie has filmed in every damn location except for Iceland and Dubrovnik. And she started filming first before the table read even began and finished last. And has basically filmed non-stop in the middle. Like Damn. Even taking into account things like rehearsals, fight practice, choreography etc. that's something.

Cleganebowl? 

Possibly Dany or Jon falling off their dragon and dying in the snow...Higher chances of it being Dany considering she is the character supposedly providing air support in KL.

 

I think Sophie was spotted in Belfast after Seville multiple times, and not just around the wrap party or with Maisie. It must have been for ADR or for other purposes, though.

I'm also curious about when she wrapped on the Belfast set. I think she may have indeed been in Belfast filming the week of April 16th (so Corbet, I guess?) and before that she was in Belfast around the last week of March, and before that she was pretty much MIA from Belfast for quite some time.

It seems as if Sansa's going to spend most of Season 8 indoors. Maybe she hides out in the Vale...? We now know what Sansa isn't doing. She isn't in the thick of it in KL with Jon, Davos, Arya, and I guess Tyrion. She isn't guiding panicked KL residents to safety. She isn't present when the throne room corpse is discovered (since that scene was filmed in late May or June). She isn't in the Tollymore forest scene that was allegedly filmed. She isn't present for whatever Thor Bjornsson and Lena were filming in June.

...Basically, Sansa pops up once at the Dragonpit and that's it, even though other characters involved in that scene seem to be present at the other KL exterior scenes. It's very strange.

It is strange that Maisie filmed pretty much continuously since January while Sophie skipped two months and then skipped another 1.5 months. Even taking into account things like rehearsals, battle shoots, etc., I agree that it seems like a lot.

Somebody dies in the snow and a dragon spreads its wings in the vicinity of the Red Keep aren't exactly earthshattering spoilers, but just because a spoiler seems obvious doesn't mean that it isn't legit, and /Gravemaster7 is one of the few Freefolkers who can be taken seriously.

As for the bit from Thor Bjornsson, only one response is possible: CLEGANEBOWL FUCKING CONFIRMED GET HYPE.

Edited July 13, 2018 by Eyes High

[GrailKing]

2 hours ago, shireenbamfatheon said:

If it's true then I think it's Dany, given how close she came to being shot off her dragon last season and Tyrion's subsequent worry that she might die without an heir. And it's a much better death than dying in childbirth, which is a terrible ending for the character.

Well Tyrion should had made that damn saddle !

[Leila6]

I don’t see where in that spoiler it says anything about someone falling off their dragon and dying. All it says is he saw a scene where someone died, and potentially a different scene where a dragon roared in the snow near the Red keep. Is there more to it somewhere?

Edited July 13, 2018 by Leila6
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[anamika]

8 hours ago, Eyes High said:

I think Sophie was spotted in Belfast after Seville multiple times, and not just around the wrap party or with Maisie.

 

Sophie was spotted twice - once with Maisie right after Spain filming and once with all the cast members for the wrap party. I can't find any other sightings on FF.

1 hour ago, Leila6 said:

I don’t see where in that spoiler it says anything about someone falling off their dragon and dying. All it says is he saw a scene where someone died, and potentially a different scene where a dragon roared in the snow near the Red keep. Is there more to it somewhere?

 

Yeah, looks like there maybe no connection between Drogon in front of the Red Keep and the character death in the snow.

Sophie is back to her standard shilling for Sansa - Empowered, best leader and all that:

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"And now we've got to the point where she's this steely, strong, manipulative, intelligent, kind, young woman, and it's completely the opposite of who she was at the beginning of the series

I am not sure if she used enough adjectives there to describe Sansa!!

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"Finally, she has the strength of her family behind her," Turner explained.

"She's used Littlefinger for all he has. As she said, 'Thank you for all your lessons'. He has nothing left to give her. So she is so empowered. She has a family behind her. She has Littlefinger, Cersei, Margaery, everyone's wisdom and teachings all behind her.

"She's a real, true leader of Winterfell now. And that's where we first see her – as a very protective, empowered lady in charge. It's the first time you ever see her like that, and it's so amazing to see her like that – kind of owning her destiny."

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/game-of-thrones/news/a861556/game-of-thrones-season-8-sansa-stark-sophie-turner-spoilers-winterfell-true-leader/

Edited July 13, 2018 by anamika

[nikma]

58 minutes ago, anamika said:

It's the first time you ever see her like that

I mean we saw her in charge in S7, but if it's even more than that, I'm happy to hear that. 

[Eyes High]

3 hours ago, anamika said:

Sophie is back to her standard shilling for Sansa - Empowered, best leader and all that:

I am not sure if she used enough adjectives there to describe Sansa!!

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/game-of-thrones/news/a861556/game-of-thrones-season-8-sansa-stark-sophie-turner-spoilers-winterfell-true-leader/

 

This kind of implies that Sansa starts off this strong, empowered blah blah (“and that’s where we first see her”) but before everything goes to shit. That aligns with her previous interview stating that Sansa would find herself “somewhat back in the deep end” and in a “passionate fight” in Season 8.

Reading between the lines (“protective, empowered lady in charge”) it sounds like initially Sansa will be even more suspicious, bitchy and high-handed than she was in Season 7, until of course whatever goes down at Winterfell in 8x03 knocks her down about a few hundred pegs. 

...As for Sansa as a "leader," it's not clear how Sansa's going to be leading anyone when she seems to be entirely absent from King's Landing exterior scenes, the locus of the action in the last third (maybe even last half) of Season 8, apart from one scene at the Dragonpit of indeterminate timing. For all we know Sansa spends the last half of Season 8 locked in a trunk like Varys' sorcerer.

I've seen speculation at /Freefolk that Sansa will be presumed dead in the chaos of the battle at Winterfell because the redhead Alys Karstark will die and Alys' corpse will be mistaken for hers. I doubt it, though. The casting call for Alys Karstark in S7 didn't even call for an actress with red hair, so I doubt Megan Parkinson's hair colour has any relevance to the plot one way or another. There haven't been any spoilers indicating that Alys Karstark will die, either, although I imagine some of the named Northern characters will have to succumb to the AOTD, and there sure aren't many of them left.

Edited July 14, 2018 by Eyes High

[Callista]

8 hours ago, Leila6 said:

I don’t see where in that spoiler it says anything about someone falling off their dragon and dying. All it says is he saw a scene where someone died, and potentially a different scene where a dragon roared in the snow near the Red keep. Is there more to it somewhere?

 

I didn't see anything in the spoiler that connected those two scenes either. That's why I don't think the dead person is necessarily Dany. I think it could instead be Arya, based on the possible spoilers posted here a few days ago (https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/6x8zyo/season_8_general_outlinejuly_17_script/ ). According to these spoilers, in the last episode, Arya is found dead in the snow by Melisandre, but is then resurrected.

Edited July 14, 2018 by Callista

[anamika]

6 hours ago, Eyes High said:

Reading between the lines (“protective, empowered lady in charge”) it sounds like initially Sansa will be even more suspicious, bitchy and high-handed than she was in Season 7, until of course whatever goes down at Winterfell in 8x03 knocks her down about a few hundred pegs.

To be honest I am expecting the standard shitty writing for Dany when she gets near Sansa's vicinity next season. Jon and Arya have already been hit with the idiot stick and got lectures on how to rule from Sansa. It's Dany's turn next season and Sansa is currently the only expert on how to rule the North on the show. And D&D's comments about Sansa being sad when she executes her mentor of seven years compared to Dany not being sad when executing two strangers and hence why Sansa is more compassionate than Dany or some such nonsense lets me know what to expect from these guys in terms of Dany and Sansa.

7 hours ago, Eyes High said:

I've seen speculation at /Freefolk that Sansa will be presumed dead in the chaos of the battle at Winterfell because the redhead Alys Karstark will die and Alys' corpse will be mistaken for hers. I doubt it, though. The casting call for Alys Karstark in S7 didn't even call for an actress with red hair, so I doubt Megan Parkinson's hair colour has any relevance to the plot one way or another. There haven't been any spoilers indicating that Alys Karstark will die, either, although I imagine some of the named Northern characters will have to succumb to the AOTD, and there sure aren't many of them left.

Please no. This Alys Karstark nonsense is something that JonXSansa shippers cannot seem to let go of because she has red hair like Sansa. The continuation of that spoiler is that Jon wilI be devastated by Sansa's death and want revenge or some such. I doubt her hair color has any relevance to the plot. I don't see Alys getting to Winterfell. She and the Umbers will probably be the first causalities when the AOTD cross the wall. 

[bubble sparkly]

Hmm, if it seems like Sophie hasn't had much filming to do r.e. the big battles, maybe Sansa really is captured in the Winterfell battle and taken to Cersei in KL.  Then perhaps she is rescued in ep 5 or 6 just before or during the final battle?

17 minutes ago, anamika said:

To be honest I am expecting the standard shitty writing for Dany when she gets near Sansa's vicinity next season. Jon and Arya have already been hit with the idiot stick and got lectures on how to rule from Sansa. It's Dany's turn next season and Sansa is currently the only expert on how to rule the North on the show

Yeah, I'm kind of dreading Dany being stuck in Sansa's vicinity as well.  I'm sure Sansa will suddenly have an expert knowledge of dragons or something lol.

But, more than that, it seems to me that it's a pretty delicate balancing act to have Sansa and/or the Northerners acting like dicks to Dany and her armies when Dany is literally their only hope of survival.  It would be monumentally stupid of the Northeners to antagonise Dany and co and risk driving them away.

I'm sure that eventually Sansa and Dany will get along, but I just hope we don't have to deal with lots of ridiculous scenes beforehand where everyone rags on Dany for being an evil, mad, foreign whore etc., when she is there to try and save their asses.

[SeanC]

6 hours ago, Callista said:

According to these spoilers, in the last episode, Arya is found dead in the snow by Melisandre, but is then resurrected.

The idea that more people are going to be resurrected occurs a lot in fan speculation, but I really don’t think that’s likely.  The writers tried to move past Jon’s resurrection as quickly as possible; I’m doubtful they’re going to start tossing in more of them.

[Eyes High]

5 hours ago, anamika said:

To be honest I am expecting the standard shitty writing for Dany when she gets near Sansa's vicinity next season. Jon and Arya have already been hit with the idiot stick and got lectures on how to rule from Sansa. It's Dany's turn next season and Sansa is currently the only expert on how to rule the North on the show. And D&D's comments about Sansa being sad when she executes her mentor of seven years compared to Dany not being sad when executing two strangers and hence why Sansa is more compassionate than Dany or some such nonsense lets me know what to expect from these guys in terms of Dany and Sansa.

Please no. This Alys Karstark nonsense is something that JonXSansa shippers cannot seem to let go of because she has red hair like Sansa. The continuation of that spoiler is that Jon wilI be devastated by Sansa's death and want revenge or some such. I doubt her hair color has any relevance to the plot. I don't see Alys getting to Winterfell. She and the Umbers will probably be the first causalities when the AOTD cross the wall. 

It is odd that Sophie says that Sansa has the strength of her family behind her, since I assume she’ll be angry with Jon for bending the knee without consulting her and undermining her.

I didn’t hear about the Alys Karstark theory from Jonsa shippers, for what it’s worth. It looks like Megan Parkinson cut her hair short in April, so she must have wrapped filming by then. Bella Ramsey (Lyanna Mormont) was filming in June, however, possibly for 8x03 unless Lyanna comes south, I guess.

[shireenbamfatheon]

That's a lot of speculation on how Sansa will act based on literally no spoilers indicating that's the route they'll go. If the Northerners and Starks will be standoffish, it won't be because Sansa's been secretly manipulating everyone to turn against Jon, though I find it hilarious that's Sansa supposedly the most incompetent character in the show, while also being so incredibly manipulative that she even manages to fool the show's writers of her intentions. Of course, there's also something annoying about constantly pitting two major female characters who've had zero interactions so far against each other. I know we have different interpretations of various characters, and I hate what they've done with the entire Stark family, but saying that Sansa and Arya executing LF is a parallel to Dany executing the Tarlys so portray Sansa in a positive light is baseless, as Dany's method of execution and subsequent reactions have been consistent since season two now. Sansa's execution of LF had nothing to do with Daenerys or Jon or Cersei or any other character. At this point, people are looking for comparisons and parallels where there are none.

On the topic of characters being reduced to Sansa fanboys and girls, that's exactly how I feel about Jon and Dany, and other characters' reactions to them. I hope there's a fallout for Jon's journey beyond the Wall. If it's true that the NK was waiting for Dany's dragons all this time and would have been unable to tear down the Wall without them, then the two are responsible for bringing the Long Night to the world, and for that I hope there are actual consequences, instead of people forgiving them because "true love" or "good intentions" or whatever. I don't hope everyone just gets to together and becomes best friends because they're fan favorites. I'm going to smack my head against the wall if Bran thanks Jaime for crippling him or if everyone just ignores that he killed Jory and the rest of the Northerners, or if Sam just shrugs off Dany burning his brother alive because Jon loves her or whatever. I want realistic reactions from these characters, but at the same time I know it's hopeless to expect that.
 

[Happy Harpy]

1 hour ago, shireenbamfatheon said:

I hope there's a fallout for Jon's journey beyond the Wall. If it's true that the NK was waiting for Dany's dragons all this time and would have been unable to tear down the Wall without them, then the two are responsible for bringing the Long Night to the world

The expedition was Tyrion's idea.

And I can't imagine what would be said about Dany if she "did nothing" and let all those fan favorite die, LOL. Ah, yes I can: "Jon was the only one who could defeat the NK, and she let him die, she's the wooorst the doom is her fauuult!"

It isn't hopeless to expect some realistic reaction from the characters. But when it happens, people aren't happy re: the Stark sisters in S7. Of course, D&D had made the huge mistake of erasing Sansa spilling the beans to Cersei and this whitewashing hurt the storyline; yet I was under the impression that rather than complaining about this flaw in execution, people were more frustrated because two sisters who never got along, were fundamentally different and were in different camps the last time they saw each other didn't magically become best friends.

Imo, the Crispy Tarlys are going to be a thing, unfortunately. It makes no sense that Sam would feel anything other than very natural shock at the news; his father hated him and tried to kill him and Dickon was very deserving of the first syllable of his name and didn't give a shit about Sam except, precisely, to shit on him. But the retcon that made Recast Dickon a more sympathetic character out of the blue has to mean something.

One thing I hope is for some characters to have a more realistic approach to war in S8. I usually love Tyrion, but his being appalled because soldiers die or choose to die annoys me to no end. Hey, that's war for you. A war you waged, too. You weren't that sensitive at the Blackwater. Argh.

Edited July 14, 2018 by Happy Harpy

[tangerine95]

I don't think Jon and Dany are responsible for bringing the long night tbh.Like that was happening no matter what.They didn't really have many great options in their situation imo.If they don't get a truce with Cersei then she's free to win back all of westeros except the north and will be a huge problem if they even survive the fight against the army of the dead.Also the Lannister army and everyone who joined Cersei would be a big asset if they joined the fight north.If Dany doesn't go save Jon then she loses the one guy she has as an ally with a region that hates her and the one person who knows exactly what the army of the dead is like and has managed to kill one of their leaders.The real stupid illogical thing there imo is the fact that Dany didn't just go and burn the red keep or didn't send an assassin to kill Cersei or literally anything that would get rid of her because keeping her alive sure isn't reducing casualties no matter what heavily biased Tyrion claims.But that's a plot problem of wanting to keep Cersei in the game when it doesn't make that much sense so there was always gonna be some characters dumbed down to make it happen.

[whateverdgaf]

I am very looking forward to seeing the Sansa Sophie promised in season 8. It was great seeing her in control last season and seeing how much she has blossomed. I am also looking forward to see where her relationship with Arya goes, from all the stuff about Sansa having the strength of her family with her it certainly sounds like the Stark girls are standing together. 

[Colorful Mess]

On 7/7/2018 at 4:56 AM, Eyes High said:

Apparently this same connection said that there was a clue in the episode title The Battle of the Bastards (or words to that effect).

I'm interested to hear more about this. What did he say?

[Colorful Mess]

8 hours ago, bubble sparkly said:

But, more than that, it seems to me that it's a pretty delicate balancing act to have Sansa and/or the Northerners acting like dicks to Dany and her armies when Dany is literally their only hope of survival.  It would be monumentally stupid of the Northeners to antagonise Dany and co and risk driving them away.

They're afraid of her and for good reason. She just burned a Lord who didn't kneel, like them. So I can see them being willing to die for a cause, like Mance, who martyred himself. Because they'd rather die fighting for their beliefs, than die and become slaves to the NK's army.

If she burns another Lord, it would cause Sam to make the final push for Jon's claim over Dany's. A similar move to how he pushed for Jon during the NW election.

My bet is that the longer Dany is there, the less she's able to actually help and more likely to dig herself into a hole politically.

I'm expecting a twist AA - that "he" it's a "she," and that it means destroyer, not a savior.

Just because Jon thinks dragons can help doesn't mean they will. 

[Eyes High]

2 hours ago, shireenbamfatheon said:

I know we have different interpretations of various characters, and I hate what they've done with the entire Stark family, but saying that Sansa and Arya executing LF is a parallel to Dany executing the Tarlys so portray Sansa in a positive light is baseless, as Dany's method of execution and subsequent reactions have been consistent since season two now. Sansa's execution of LF had nothing to do with Daenerys or Jon or Cersei or any other character. At this point, people are looking for comparisons and parallels where there are none.

I'm afraid D&D are the ones who unfavourably compared Dany's coldness when executing the Tarlys to Sansa's (apparent?) compassion when executing Littlefinger (on the 7x07 DVD commentary).

1 hour ago, Happy Harpy said:

The expedition was Tyrion's idea.

Dany going with her dragons to rescue Jon was definitely not Tyrion's idea.

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One thing I hope is for some characters to have a more realistic approach to war in S8. I usually love Tyrion, but his being appalled because soldiers die or choose to die annoys me to no end. Hey, that's war for you. A war you waged, too. You weren't that sensitive at the Blackwater. Argh.

Pacifist!Tyrion is one of the weirder bits of GOT characterization, but he's been like that for at least three seasons now, so I wouldn't expect anything else from him in Season 8.

50 minutes ago, Colorful Mess said:

I'm interested to hear more about this. What did he say?

For some reason /claytoy's posts don't show up in the search function, but it was something about how their Indian connection said that there was a clue to S8 in the episode title The Battle of the Bastards. 

Speaking of that source, /claytoy had some more info from this person, but it's not much. The ending is not fully happy, but it's apparently fully satisfactory and "wonderful." So that's something.

[WindyNights]

25 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

I'm afraid D&D are the ones who unfavourably compared Dany's coldness when executing the Tarlys to Sansa's (apparent?) compassion when executing Littlefinger (on the 7x07 DVD commentary).

Dany going with her dragons to rescue Jon was definitely not Tyrion's idea.

Pacifist!Tyrion is one of the weirder bits of GOT characterization, but he's been like that for at least three seasons now, so I wouldn't expect anything else from him in Season 8.

For some reason /claytoy's posts don't show up in the search function, but it was something about how their Indian connection said that there was a clue to S8 in the episode title The Battle of the Bastards. 

Speaking of that source, /claytoy had some more info from this person, but it's not much. The ending is not fully happy, but it's apparently fully satisfactory and "wonderful." So that's something.

Do you have the quote for the Daenerys and Sansa thing from D & D? I'd be interested to see their exact words.

[Eyes High]

16 minutes ago, WindyNights said:

Do you have the quote for the Daenerys and Sansa thing from D & D? I'd be interested to see their exact words.

I transcribed this several months ago, but here it is (from the 7x07 commentary track):

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Dan: What's great about Sophie's performance here is that you really do get the sense that she feels conflicted about it too, by the end, you know, she soldiers through and does it.

David: There's a real contrast with Daenerys. She executes people and doesn't show any hint of compassion or mercy.

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[Advance35]

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I am very looking forward to seeing the Sansa Sophie promised in season 8. It was great seeing her in control last season and seeing how much she has blossomed. I am also looking forward to see where her relationship with Arya goes, from all the stuff about Sansa having the strength of her family with her it certainly sounds like the Stark girls are standing together. 

Meh, I have a weird thing with the Sansa character.  I find her VERY interesting in the book, in the show, it depends on who she is paired with.  It's why I actually do hope that Sansa is kidnapped and held in Kings Landing with Cersei.  ST isn't a "good" actress but she is serviceable.  Pair her with Cersei, Margaery, Tyrion, Ramsay, Theon, Littlefinger or Joffrey and Sansa becomes much more interesting to me.  I really do think it's dependent on the actors she's paired with.  

Dany scenes go over like a lead balloon for me, Jon is nothing but good hair (when it's out of the bun), Arya is a graveyard for charisma.  I'd love these 3 to be sequestered together and the other characters given respective B-Plots.  I know the idea of Sansa being imperiled makes some people think "Sigh, again?" But so far the season sounds like it's going to be non-stop Dungeons and Dragons nonsense.  I'd be interested in seeing what scenes between Cersei and Sansa are like at this point in each characters story.  LH is the only good actress left on the show, she is going to need more to play off of then Qyburn and The Mountain for 6 episodes.

[Happy Harpy]

58 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

Dany going with her dragons to rescue Jon was definitely not Tyrion's idea.

No, but Jon wouldn't have needed rescue if not for Tyrion's idea of that expedition. As I said, Daenerys was placed in a damned if she did, damned if she didn't situation.

1 hour ago, Eyes High said:

I'm afraid D&D are the ones who unfavourably compared Dany's coldness when executing the Tarlys to Sansa's (apparent?) compassion when executing Littlefinger (on the 7x07 DVD commentary).

Ironically, that comment made me roll my eyes because any compassion towards LF would make Sansa a complete moron -feeling for little Ned Umber and Alys Karstark's plight would have been a better choice to showcase her "good heart", imo. I really wish D&D didn't have such a hard-on for Sansa, because she's much more likeable when they don't try to overhype her and just let her be. That's why I'm crossing my fingers so that my faves have minimal interaction with her in S8, which could be since most of them will take part in the battles. Sorry, Missandei, you might have to take one for the team and accept that Bella Swan Sansa translates better than you! 

[Wouter]

5 hours ago, Eyes High said:

It is odd that Sophie says that Sansa has the strength of her family behind her, since I assume she’ll be angry with Jon for bending the knee without consulting her and undermining her.

 

Why is that odd? Sansa, Arya and (in so far as he is interested) Bran ended S7 on the same page, united against LF and preparing Winterfell for defence as per Jon's orders. If the Starks (without Jon) have reserves about Dany, they may well have them together. They are going to work together with Dany and Jon anyway, there is not much time for a serious internal conflict.

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[Eyes High]

1 hour ago, Advance35 said:

ST isn't a "good" actress but she is serviceable

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Dany scenes go over like a lead balloon for me

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Jon is nothing but good hair (when it's out of the bun)

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Arya is a graveyard for charisma

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But so far the season sounds like it's going to be non-stop Dungeons and Dragons nonsense.  

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LH is the only good actress left on the show

Savage. You're not wrong, though.

Sophie Turner definitely needs much better actors as screen partners. The TV SanSan scenes were a disaster in part because with an equally limited actor like Rory McCann, it was the blind leading the blind (although to be fair, the writing did them no favours).

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I'd be interested in seeing what scenes between Cersei and Sansa are like at this point in each characters story.

So are D&D, since one of them said something to that effect in an interview (apparently).

I suspect that Sansa will spend the last part of Season 8 mostly isolated from Jon, Arya, Davos, and company, but whether that's because she has been taken prisoner by Cersei, because she stays behind to rebuild Winterfell after the attack, or because she's hanging out at Riverrun or in the Vale, I couldn't say. Sansa seems to pop up at the Dragonpit in 8x05 or 8x06 but doesn't stick around, since Sophie didn't film any other KL exterior scenes.

It could be that the Seville scene Sophie shot is along the lines of things are looking grim at the Dragonpit and (once more) Sansa rides to the rescue with Robin and the Knights of the Vale (since Lino and Lord Royce's actor apparently filmed in Seville), plus Edmure and the Tully army for good measure.

27 minutes ago, Happy Harpy said:

That's why I'm crossing my fingers so that my faves have minimal interaction with her in S8, which could be since most of them will take part in the battles. Sorry, Missandei, you might have to take one for the team and accept that Bella Swan Sansa translates better than you! 

I think Hannah Murray filmed the same week as Sophie (and Peter Dinklage, I think) back in January, so we may get a Gilly/Sansa scene. Hannah Murray said that she ships Tyrion and Sansa in her most recent interview, so that may be based on whatever she filmed with Sophie and Peter...?

8 minutes ago, Wouter said:

Why is that odd? Sansa, Arya and (in so far as he is interested) Bran ended S7 on the same page, united against LF and preparing Winterfell for defence as per Jon's orders. If the Starks (without Jon) have reserves about Dany, they may well have them together.

 

Jon's her family as well and he has aligned with someone Sansa sees as a threat, so I don't see how he's "behind" her.

Edited July 14, 2018 by Eyes High

[Wouter]

4 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

 

Jon's her family as well and he has aligned with someone Sansa sees as a threat, so I don't see how he's "behind" her.

 

Well, he did put her in charge in his absence, and she actually carried out his orders, so...

Sure, Sansa wasn't happy with the news that he had kneeled to Dany, but I think conflict due to that will be very minimal in S8.

Edited July 14, 2018 by Wouter

[Eyes High]

15 minutes ago, Wouter said:

Well, he did put her in charge in his absence, and she actually carried out his orders, so...

Sure, Sansa wasn't happy with the news that he had kneeled to Dany, but I think conflict due to that will be very minimal in S8.

 

It seemed clear from 7x07 that she wasn't pleased about Jon bending the knee, and why would she be? 

This just in from /BoatsexBaby:

("Political Jon," for the uninitiated, or "Undercover Jon," refers to the fan theory that Jon has no feelings for Dany and is manipulating her to gain access to her armies and her dragons to save Westeros. It's a Jonsa thing, I think.)

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Juligen has assured me she'll stick around coz we have a bet going. She'll make 6 lovely posts dedicated to Jonerys if Dany remains Jon's ultimate love when the series ends, and I'll do the same for Jonsa if it happens (which I know for a FACT is not happening ;)).

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Yes. Unless D&D decide to scrap the entire season which they have already filmed and wrapped and start fresh with a new script, Jonsa is not happening. :D No political Jon, no Mad Queen Dany either.

Jon and Dany remain in love and fight the NK/AoTD together till the end.

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[nikma]

I expected that.

[GrailKing]

1 hour ago, Happy Harpy said:

Ironically, that comment made me roll my eyes because any compassion towards LF would make Sansa a complete moron

Not really a moron, she is conflicted ( Book and show ), he saves her twice, she also had to make the right decision because Jon could loose 2500 men; he was doing fine until the Bolton debacle, that he didn't foresee. If it wasn't for him playing the girls against each other he still be alive, because he was playing the game pretty well until the Bolton and sister fights.

There's also more than the Tarley, LF execution parallels and it's not just between Sansa and Danni, but also Cersei. We have the people , the food, the politics etc.

I'm pretty sure GRRM plan for the Starks five year growth was for them to fast track to be close to the elder mentors skills and I don't believe his words on Sansa after S4-8 is bogus stuff.

I can't get totally or majorly behind Danerys unless or until she has no dragons to fall back on in her decision choices, hence I'm probably in a real minority I'm stuck on the fence with her.

[Advance35]

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Savage. You're not wrong, though.

Sophie Turner definitely needs much better actors as screen partners. The TV SanSan scenes were a disaster in part because with an equally limited actor like Rory McCann, it was the blind leading the blind (although to be fair, the writing did them no favours).

 

Good Lord, like pokers shoved under fingernails.  I think I enjoyed Season 6 for the unique interactions, Jon/Sansa/Ramsay/Brienne/Pod/Theon/Davos/Melissandre/Dolores Edd, and BoTB was enormous on spectacle. But Season 7, the newness had warn off/  I realize acting is subjective but for me, it was a tedium parade.  Peter Dinklage is VERY talented, but his scenes with Dany are the stuff of nightmares because of Emilia (I've seen her other work too, the girl could murder a toothpaste commercial with her lack of talent.)

I don't know how the writers could have made it work but I wish they had paired off characters with someone talented enough to carry those who are lacking, though in all honesty, the past 2 seasons have been cutting the talent endowed like rag weed.  The story is starting to funnel, Dany, Jon, Arya, Bran are likely going to be the drivers of the plot, but they are played by actors that cannot carry the show.  Sigh.

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So are D&D, since one of them said something to that effect in an interview (apparently).

I suspect that Sansa will spend the last part of Season 8 mostly isolated from Jon, Arya, Davos, and company, but whether that's because she has been taken prisoner by Cersei, because she stays behind to rebuild Winterfell after the attack, or because she's hanging out at Riverrun or in the Vale, I couldn't say. Sansa seems to pop up at the Dragonpit in 8x05 or 8x06 but doesn't stick around, since Sophie didn't film any other KL exterior scenes.

It could be that the Seville scene Sophie shot is along the lines of things are looking grim at the Dragonpit and (once more) Sansa rides to the rescue with Robin and the Knights of the Vale (since Lino and Lord Royce's actor apparently filmed in Seville), plus Edmure and the Tully army for good measure.

 

I'm glad to hear this, I don't need Sansa to have the most screen time, a good c-storyline would satisfy me.  I can't see her rebuilding Winterfell before the War with the Dead is settled.  I guess we could get a few scenes of her in the Vale and then the rumored scene with Cersei in the Throne room.   I've given up on predicting anything Sansa related in Game of Thrones though.

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I think Hannah Murray filmed the same week as Sophie (and Peter Dinklage, I think) back in January, so we may get a Gilly/Sansa scene. Hannah Murray said that she ships Tyrion and Sansa in her most recent interview, so that may be based on whatever she filmed with Sophie and Peter...?

Well, I can't say I'm not intrigued.  I think PD could sell it, if it went that way.  ST seems to take her cues from whoever she's working with, so I don't doubt she would be believable.  Time will tell.

[Happy Harpy]

2 hours ago, Eyes High said:

I think Hannah Murray filmed the same week as Sophie (and Peter Dinklage, I think) back in January, so we may get a Gilly/Sansa scene. Hannah Murray said that she ships Tyrion and Sansa in her most recent interview, so that may be based on whatever she filmed with Sophie and Peter...?

 

It is interesting. Not sure if she'd be allowed to mention Sansa/Tyrion if it's supposed to be part of the "unpredictable", although there was a reminder that they were once married last season. I've always liked their interactions, yet I hope they won't be whinging about their king and queen not listening to them etc.

I'm looking forward to Jon and Dany fighting together until the end. I have that thing for battle couples, LOL. It seems that with Jaime/Brienne and maybe Arya/Gendry, I'm going to get my fill in S8.

@GrailKing, not ignoring you but I made that remark as an explanation for one of my S8 hopes and not in order to discuss Sansa's character in this thread (I hope it was clear).

Edited July 14, 2018 by Happy Harpy

[Eyes High]

1 hour ago, Happy Harpy said:

It is interesting. Not sure if she'd be allowed to mention Sansa/Tyrion if it's supposed to be part of the "unpredictable"

Hannah Murray also said in the same interview that she prefers Jaime/Brienne over Brienne/Tormund, and we're far likely to get the former pairing over the latter.

[Happy Harpy]

45 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

Hannah Murray also said in the same interview that she prefers Jaime/Brienne over Brienne/Tormund, and we're far likely to get the former pairing over the latter.

I liked her, I'm on the way to love her LOL. Jaime/Brienne is quite obvious imo, and Gwen/NWC have been teasing it a lot; but maybe there are elements the actors are allowed to hint at. It reminds me of that video with Kit (for some Comic Con?) where he said that Jon and Daenerys would fight or fuck when they meet.

BTW, a first Braime fleaker appeared at Freefolk. Would have been believable, unless they went a bit overboard with the shipping. Very cute.

[shireenbamfatheon]

9 hours ago, Happy Harpy said:

The expedition was Tyrion's idea.

And I can't imagine what would be said about Dany if she "did nothing" and let all those fan favorite die, LOL. Ah, yes I can: "Jon was the only one who could defeat the NK, and she let him die, she's the wooorst the doom is her fauuult!"

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The expedition was Tyrion's suggestion but one Jon actually impulsively decided to go through with without hesitation. Jon wasn't cornered and pressured into agreeing with it; he could have come up with an alternative plan, but Jon's stupidity has been well-established at this point. I know people hate on the Northerners for "betraying" Jon, but I can't blame them for their attitudes when their king decides to remain absent for months on end with barely any communication and then decides to go beyond the Wall himself without ensuring the stability of his land back home, considering they're the first and possibly biggest defense in light of an AotD invasion. I wish for once we could get a kind AND clever leader in this show. If the world was just, Margaery would have married Jon and then told him to sit back and look broody while she took care of everything.

Good intentions are useless if they just lead to more death and destruction. Just look at Rhaegar. I'm not criticizing Dany from a moral POV, but her decision was motivated by her love for Jon and it was a decision that will now lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. This decision Tyrion did warn her against. Within the story, that absolutely should raise several eyebrows. Realistically, no one would go "oh well, true love, amiright?" when it means they have to suffer for these two's actions. 

Just think about it from a Northern perspective. Rhaegar "kidnapped" Lyanna and the consequences were devastating for the Northerners, many of whom lost fathers and brothers to the Mad King. It turns out they were actually in love. Then Robb marries Talisa and royally screws over the Freys, leaving to the tragedy that was the Red Wedding. They were in love. Now, Jon has gone beyond the Wall and practically handed the NK a dragon. Then he's knelt to Dany and rejected Cersei's offer of an independent North because of his pledge of fealty to Dany. They're in love. Why on earth would the Northerners ever warm to these two after everything they've been through? At this point, the Starks have done more bad than good for the living generations of Northerners.

As for the Sansa vs. Arya argument, I vehemently disagree. Sansa and Arya were as different as night and day, but many sisters are, including me and mine, and they, and we, still love each other. The two constantly think about each other in the books and their memories reinforce they miss each other. Arya even thinks that she'll dress like a lady if she sees Sansa again because it'll make her happy, and Sansa likewise thinks of naming her future daughter after her. These two spent years thinking the other was dead. If anything, their experiences should have brought them together. There was nothing natural about their conflict in season seven. I mean, Arya threatened to cut off Sansa's face and wear it. She showed more humanity towards the Lannister soldiers. Arya is not a sociopath and her entire arc has been about finding a pack after considering herself the lone wolf. Better writers would have killed LF off early in the season instead of dragging out this faux drama and focused on something else e.g. the tension in the North.

Lastly, there's nothing in the show that indicates Dickon was a horrible brother. He was courteous when Sam and Gilly visited and didn't show any pleasure at his father's dressing down of Sam. Sam would have to be a terrible brother not to care about his brother dying a horrible death.

Eyes High, thanks for the correction. I wonder, though, whether it was intentionally written as a parallel or they just decided to compare the two scenes because they were the only two executions that season. This is one of the reasons I have no idea what I'm supposed to think of Dany. They constantly contradict themselves when it comes to her character. I strongly remember them justifying Dany's execution of the Tarlys in some interview.

[anamika]

7 hours ago, Happy Harpy said:

Ironically, that comment made me roll my eyes because any compassion towards LF would make Sansa a complete moron -feeling for little Ned Umber and Alys Karstark's plight would have been a better choice to showcase her "good heart", imo.

I don't see anything wrong with Sansa crying for executing LF. LF may have had a role in murdering her family, but he did look out for her and saved her life countless times. He may even have loved her in his own LF way. He was her mentor and she learned from him. She knew him for 7 seasons. It was the student becoming the teacher and then executing the teacher. An emotional moment for sure.

But the comparison to Dany and the Tarlys was what was idiotic there. Dany was conflicted and sad when she had to execute Mossador in Meereen. Mossador was a decent guy, but he murdered a prisoner and by law had to be executed - it was a Robb/Rickard Karstark situation - and she was sad about it.

Why the hell should she be conflicted or compassionate about the traitorous Tarlys who denounce her as a foreign invader and whom she hardly knows? Makes no sense. Did Jon weep when executing Slynt? Would Jon have cried if he had to execute Harald Karstark or Umber if they had not died on the battlefield? Did honorable Ned weep when he chopped off the head of the NW deserter?

That comment makes as much sense as D&D looking at the Arya/Needle scene and telling us how Needle was all about revenge for Arya.

The third wave feminism of the 80's may have lead to characters like Dany and Arya - characters who take on the stories traditionally given to men - but even today they are judged as good or bad by how much 'girly' emotion they show or how traditionally 'feminine' they are. That's why Dany is cruel and Arya is a revenge obsessed psychopath when compared to Sansa as per D&D and some of their critics. That's D&D's interpretation of these characters after reading the books.

The funny thing is that in the books both Dany and Arya feel remorse and guilt for some of the things they do. They do some fucked up things but immediately come to regret it, feel bad, are wracked by self doubt etc. - they are complex just like the male characters who also do shitty things and feel remorse and guilt.  

Unfortunately this is D&D's interpretation now and I have to watch their version of these characters. After seeing how Arya was written with Sansa last season and after D&D's random comments about Dany/Sansa, I have no doubt at all of what kind of Dany I am going to be seeing in WF. More fodder for the anti-Dany crowd on Tumblr to make their comparative gifs of good queen Sansa Vs evil queen Dany.  I can only hope these scenes are brief and then everyone goes off to fight the WW. I am not watching this show for the writing or the plot anymore, just for the spectacle and to get closure/resolution for the books I started reading years ago.

These comments do seem to again align with those spoilers I talked about earlier though - where Dany is repudiated by the North and the Lords abandon the Dothraki during battle leading to Dany being frustrated and ready to leave. Sansa is leading WF and getting all the grain as per Manderly, goes to the Vale and rallies the Valemen, confronts Cersei as Queen of the Vale etc., Arya does a lot of cool fighting in all the battles, Jon wrestles with his parentage and Jon/Dany's child is a dream of spring.

As @Callista mentioned the body in the snow could be Jon or Arya (Before she is revived), two major character deaths could be Jon and Bran etc. I have not seen anything yet which proves those leaks false yet so I am thinking there is a good chance this is true. As per those leaks, Sophie's scenes are all interior scenes where she just talks to other characters - explains her low filming time. Her only action scene is in KL in the finale where she and SweetRobin get caught up in KL when the WW/Wights attack - Sophie filming the short action scene in the dragonpit being bored and sweaty. In the end, Sansa ends up in a position of power, co-ruling along with Tyrion until Jon/Dany kid comes of age.

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[Eyes High]

1 hour ago, Happy Harpy said:

I liked her, I'm on the way to love her LOL. Jaime/Brienne is quite obvious imo, and Gwen/NWC have been teasing it a lot; but maybe there are elements the actors are allowed to hint at.

No one, not even GRRM, ships Jaime/Brienne harder than Gwen and NCW, bless them.

Personally, I don't think Tyrion/Sansa is all that obscure as a ship in the show--I think that the writing for their relationship on the show has hit certain specific beats that fit with the way TV ships tend to get written (or, as it was phrased upthread, they ping my shipdar)--but it seems to be sufficiently overlooked among anyone who follows the show that Hannah Murray saying that she's a fan of their relationship (and not, apparently, in a trollish or sarcastic way) strikes me as noteworthy.

2 minutes ago, anamika said:

In the end, Sansa ends up in a position of power, co-ruling along with Tyrion until Jon/Dany kid comes of age.

Those leaks don't match what we know about the timeline in KL. Shit hits the fan in KL in 8x05, not 8x06. 

I'm wondering what happens with the Iron Throne betting if two characters end up "ruling" but there is no Iron Throne and they aren't king and queen.

And on that note, this was posted not long ago by /BoatsexBaby:

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Yup! I am very confident about the Dance of Dragons against the NK being in Episode 6. I had posted about it here last week.

Episode 6 is the vfx-heavy part of the KL battle while Episode 5 will be more of the BoTB/Hardhome kind of battle/chaos.

 

Sounds like the June KL exterior stuff with the crowds and such was all Sapochnik.

[anamika]

5 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

Those leaks don't match what we know about the timeline in KL.

They don't have to.  This was a June 2017 outline. Things may have changed.  The battle up North may now include a battle for WF where WF falls, the men from the Vale leave because of this and then everyone evacuates south. KL battle starts in episode 5 as a continuation of the skirmishes in the Riverlands. Like D&D say:

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What is it like when one, or both, of you is in Belfast? It seems like there must be various people demanding attention.

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http://time.com/4791793/game-of-thrones-season-7-david-benioff-d-b-weiss/

I think there maybe changes to that original gist of what they wanted to do. But I think a lot of the little specifics in those leaks align with what we are getting in terms of filming spoilers, actor interviews and what D&D themselves have been telling us in the previous season. That leak pretty much matches D&D's vision of Jon, Dany, Arya, Sansa, Tyrion etc. and follows through from last season perfectly. If it's false, then kudos to the person who made it up.