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8 hours ago, Eyes High said:

I agree that the smartest move given Sansa's desire to have Jon out of the picture is for Sansa to support a Jon/Dany marriage in the hopes that Jon will head south once everything is settled and leave her to run the North without his interference. The EW.com article seemed to imply that Sansa could eventually warm up to Dany, so maybe she comes to support a marriage because she likes Dany and honestly believes that Dany would make Jon happy, as opposed to pushing for a marriage for purely selfish reasons. I doubt it, though; if the S7 scripts suggest anything, it's that D&D are leaning hard into Sansa's desire for power as a defining character trait. It would be pretty sad if Sansa, having been forced to marry for the sake of others' ambition, tries to foist a match on Jon and Dany for no other reason than to cement her authority and get Jon out of the way, but her experience being punished by Joffrey for Robb's crimes didn't stop her from recommending that Alys Karstark and Ned Umber be stripped of their lands as punishment for their fathers' crimes, so...

One of the S7 script pages posted on /Freefolk had Arya smiling when she's pleased by Sansa's implicit admission that Jon loves Arya more than Sansa. Although it's fair to say that Sansa could have had a great relationship with Jon and Arya if she had treated them better growing up (and she would probably be closer with Brienne if she treated her better), there is something awfully sad about TV Sansa, even assuming her horrible trauma with Ramsay out of the equation.

The Northern lords may respect Sansa and flirt with the idea of her leading them when they're angry at Jon, but no one likes her. She has no friends, and she's too damaged at this point to approach anyone not her blood relative with any emotions other than suspicion and contempt. Lyanna and Lord Glover were outright contemptuous towards her in Season 6. Jon prefers Davos' advice to hers. No one considered her for a moment as a candidate for QITN except Littlefinger. Brienne serves her but is also loyal to Arya, someone who has made it clear she will side with Jon against Sansa every time. Bran has become a stranger to her. Arya and Jon, who are really her only surviving siblings if you think "Bran" died in the cave as Meera said, don't particularly like her. The only person who claimed to have her interests and her interests alone at heart used her, sold her, lied to her the whole time, and ultimately had to be executed. I mean, every character still alive in the show has their fair share of sad stories, but that is bleak.

Sansa at the beginning of the show wanted to be like Cersei, and one of the saddest things about Sansa is that she has become this brittle, jaded, ruthless person, hostile to anyone outside her family and desperate to hold on to power. Maybe she can turn it around in Season 8, but I'm not holding my breath.

I think the reason the wisdom of Jon and Dany marrying didn't occur to anyone except Littlefinger in Season 7 is that D&D needed Jon and Dany to ally and fall in love without any whiff of political opportunism or calculated seduction. I also think that's why D&D wanted Jon to fall in love with Dany before finding out about his claim to the throne.

"Please," she finished, "you have to let me marry Joffrey, I'll be ever so good a wife to him, you'll see. I'll be a queen just like you, I promise."

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^This.^ Thank you.  Months ago I posted that both Dany and Jon were at the top of my death list, but it never occurred to me that (a) she'd die crazy or (b) he'd kill her because she was crazy. Y

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oh thank god. y'all have stopped arguing about Sansa.

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So as per Kit Harington, 'Jon and Dany are heading back for WF and they are going as not so secret lovers'

https://twitter.com/JonDanyTarg/status/1071872370854502400

Not sure when these interviews were filmed (During season 8 or before...), but it implies that most of them will be aware that Jon/Dany are a thing by the time they get to WF.

Kit also drags Sansa and her 'nonsensical suggestions', lol!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrLvBHcA0uD/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1la5ntc8dhwoj

Jon Snow therapy session 🤣

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7 minutes ago, anamika said:

So as per Kit Harington, 'Jon and Dany are heading back for WF and they are going as not so secret lovers'

https://twitter.com/JonDanyTarg/status/1071872370854502400

Not sure when these interviews were filmed (During season 8 or before...), but it implies that most of them will be aware that Jon/Dany are a thing by the time they get to WF.

Kit also drags Sansa and her 'nonsensical suggestions', lol!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrLvBHcA0uD/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1la5ntc8dhwoj

Jon Snow therapy session 🤣

This must have been shot during season 8 since Emilia’s hair is cut and dyed right? These two are super adorable ☺️

7 minutes ago, anamika said:

Jon Snow therapy session 🤣

That part was hilarious 🤣

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3 minutes ago, GraceK said:

This must have been shot during season 8 since Emilia’s hair is cut and dyed right? These two are super adorable ☺️

That's right! Yeah, looks it was done during season 8.

Kit mentions that the wight hunt was 'pretty mental really' lol! It's fun to hear the actors talk and Kit says some interesting/smart stuff in his interviews.

I hope we get this for all the actors. They may give us some season 8 clues...

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Someone on free folk said that the characters who get their own recaps are:

Jon, Dany, Tyrion, Arya, Bran, Sansa, Cersei ,Jaime, Davos, Jorah, Sam and Sandor.

It's on HBO Go.

 

No Theon it seems.

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6 minutes ago, nikma said:

Someone on free folk said that the characters who get their own recaps are:

Jon, Dany, Tyrion, Arya, Bran, Sansa, Cersei ,Jaime, Davos, Jorah, Sam and Sandor.

It's on HBO Go.

 

No Theon it seems.

I’m bummed because it doesn’t seem to be available in the U.S 😡😢

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33 minutes ago, anamika said:

So as per Kit Harington, 'Jon and Dany are heading back for WF and they are going as not so secret lovers'

https://twitter.com/JonDanyTarg/status/1071872370854502400

Not sure when these interviews were filmed (During season 8 or before...), but it implies that most of them will be aware that Jon/Dany are a thing by the time they get to WF.

Kit also drags Sansa and her 'nonsensical suggestions', lol!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrLvBHcA0uD/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1la5ntc8dhwoj

Jon Snow therapy session 🤣

It’s not the first time Kit has called Sansa annoying. Sophie drags Jon, too, so fair’s fair.

27 minutes ago, GraceK said:

This must have been shot during season 8 since Emilia’s hair is cut and dyed right? These two are super adorable ☺️

That part was hilarious 🤣

I think Emilia started growing out her roots in June, so maybe it was from early June. 

10 minutes ago, GraceK said:

I’m bummed because it doesn’t seem to be available in the U.S 😡😢

It should be out in the US eventually. Maybe it was accidentally released on YouTube in Europe ahead of schedule. That has occasionally happened with teasers and other material before.

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31 minutes ago, anamika said:

That's right! Yeah, looks it was done during season 8.

I think they were shot during season 8 and if that’s the case it’s really encouraging to me because they seem pretty relaxed talking about their characters relationship. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Endgame hopes y’all 😂

5 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

should be out in the US eventually. Maybe it was accidentally released on YouTube in Europe ahead of schedule. That has occasionally happened with teasers and other material before.

I’m just glad we are finally getting something. This has been a good week.

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30 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

It’s not the first time Kit has called Sansa annoying. Sophie drags Jon, too, so fair’s fair.

Yeah, I get that this is just an actor defending the character he/she plays. It's just nice to hear someone standing up for Jon since the show runners are always pro-Sansa in these interviews and act like Jon needs to consult with expert Sansa or deserved to be undermined by her. I especially liked the 'nonsensical suggestions' part because that's pretty much how I view most of what Sansa spouts on the show - that's just the opinion of a Sansa 'hater' guys. Feel free to ignore it.

But this is where I am coming from with regards to John Bradley as well - in that most actors tend to stand up for their character. And John Bradley seems to identify pretty strongly with Sam from his interview. So him constantly bringing up how much he hates Randyll Tarly and not making a mention of any of his other family members is, to me, a strong indication that Dany's actions with respect to the Tarlys will not be a big problem for Sam. It's almost like he is making a case for Sam supporting Dany's actions next season.

37 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

I think Emilia started growing out her roots in June, so maybe it was from early June. 

That seems right. The interviews seem to be done in the Dragonstone throne room. Maybe Kit and Emilia were filming around that set in early June-July and did their interviews there? I could be really reaching here, but maybe that's the same white sweater that Emilia is wearing here in her instagram post saying goodbye to the show. It could be after Emilia's last day filming in Belfast or something.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkIyu5XFCUx/

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1 hour ago, anamika said:

That seems right. The interviews seem to be done in the Dragonstone throne room. Maybe Kit and Emilia were filming around that set in early June-July and did their interviews there? I could be really reaching here, but maybe that's the same white sweater that Emilia is wearing here in her instagram post saying goodbye to the show. It could be after Emilia's last day filming in Belfast or something.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkIyu5XFCUx/

The videos are from January, at least. The stamps were launched in January, and you can see the photo of Emilia wearing the white sweater and holding the Dany commemorative stamp here.

What are the odds that these BTS videos will eventually go up on the official GOT Youtube channel? Do you think they'll remain official HBOGo exclusive content?

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1 hour ago, Eyes High said:

The videos are from January, at least. The stamps were launched in January, and you can see the photo of Emilia wearing the white sweater and holding the Dany commemorative stamp here.

What are the odds that these BTS videos will eventually go up on the official GOT Youtube channel? Do you think they'll remain official HBOGo exclusive content?

Yes, you are right. That's the same Emilia. I can see the sweater clearly now and instagram Emilia's sweater is different. So around January then.

And yeah, I think these vids will be only on youtube if fans upload them. HBO is going to keep them exclusive for a while.

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Since we periodically discuss whether anything is going to be done with the Sansa/Hound dynamic in the show, the Season 7 script excerpt for the conversation where Littlefinger mentions that Brienne supposedly defeated the Hound contains no indicators that Sansa's meant to have any reaction to his being mentioned.

Admittedly, that sort of character detail is very touch-and-go in the scripts so it may not mean anything (particularly in that it would only be hypothetically referring to plot developments in a subsequent season), but at a minimum the writers didn't feel the need to note Sansa as having some notable response.

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S8 hints and potential hints in the recaps:

Arya: Maisie says she wanted to show a big difference in Arya's character after Littlefinger is killed and to continue Arya's newfound respect for Sansa in S8. Arya's emotional goodbye to Gendry is skipped in the recap (sorry, shippers).

Maisie Williams also apparently said this at CCXP last week:

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The actors were forbidden in the interview to talk about the series' eighth season, but Maisie also gave clues to Arya's future. "Back to Winterfell was amazing, it was her focus throughout the show," she says. "In this new season she has completely different goals, which she has never had before," she says.

What kind of goals? Political goals? Romantic goals?

Cersei: Lena says "the influence of Brienne on [Jaime] is more powerful than Cersei at this moment, and he thinks she's become a monster (...) She loses him." (The Cersei recap is a lot of fun. Lena is a treasure.)

Jon: "At the end of Season 7, we see [Jon and Dany] heading to Winterfell, and they're going back as not-so-secret lovers." (Already quoted upthread, but here for the sake of completeness.)

Dany: "Throughout [S7], there's been an undercurrent of romance...blossoming. Dany and Jon take it to the next level. In one night. On one boat. Heading for Winterfell. Heading for Season 8."

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21 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

Cersei: Lena says "the influence of Brienne on [Jaime] is more powerful than Cersei at this moment, and he thinks she's become a monster (...) She loses him." (The Cersei recap is a lot of fun. Lena is a treasure.)

Even Lena ships it! 

Crack theory, Cersei knows something is up between the two and Qyburn knew Jaime risked his life to protect Brienne. In the books, Tarth is one of the places attacked by the Golden Company. I wonder if Cersei will order something similar next series. 

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Emilia is so adorable. I love how bubbly and happy she always seems to be. 

Kit, Maisie and Sophie all seem very much like siblings in real life. Emilia and Kit are super cute in real life but somehow they have as much chemistry as two rocks onscreen. Can't figure out how that works.

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29 minutes ago, Minneapple said:

Emilia is so adorable. I love how bubbly and happy she always seems to be. 

Kit, Maisie and Sophie all seem very much like siblings in real life. Emilia and Kit are super cute in real life but somehow they have as much chemistry as two rocks onscreen. Can't figure out how that works.

I'm not a great judge of actor/actress chemistry, so I wouldn't know whether or not Kit and Emilia have chemistry on screen, but if they don't, I'm guessing it's because in real life, Kit is witty and wry, and in real life, Emilia is cheerful and irrepressible, and on screen, they're playing regal, noble and incredibly serious characters and tamping down on everything that gives them that adorable vibe in real life. And yes, playing the opposite of your real life personality is what actors do all the time, but with Kit and Emilia, the fact that their characters are so different from their real life personalities means that their chemistry as Jon and Dany is different from their chemistry as Kit and Emilia.

More possible S8 hints:

Sansa: "Sansa and Arya now realize that they work very well together. And Bran, you know, as kind of a threesome there. Together, they kinda form the perfect unit." (Remember that that would-be leaker in December 2017 described an endgame triumvirate of Bran, Arya and Sansa.)

The Sansa recap completely glosses over her relationship with the Hound, but maybe that's because they didn't want to spoil anything for Season 8...?

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1 hour ago, Eyes High said:

S8 hints and potential hints in the recaps:

Arya: Maisie says she wanted to show a big difference in Arya's character after Littlefinger is killed and to continue Arya's newfound respect for Sansa in S8. Arya's emotional goodbye to Gendry is skipped in the recap (sorry, shippers).

Maisie Williams also apparently said this at CCXP last week:

What kind of goals? Political goals? Romantic goals?

Cersei: Lena says "the influence of Brienne on [Jaime] is more powerful than Cersei at this moment, and he thinks she's become a monster (...) She loses him." (The Cersei recap is a lot of fun. Lena is a treasure.)

Jon: "At the end of Season 7, we see [Jon and Dany] heading to Winterfell, and they're going back as not-so-secret lovers." (Already quoted upthread, but here for the sake of completeness.)

Dany: "Throughout [S7], there's been an undercurrent of romance...blossoming. Dany and Jon take it to the next level. In one night. On one boat. Heading for Winterfell. Heading for Season 8."

Arya’s fans are gonna be so happy with that  quote! Ha! In fact they completely avoid that part on freefolk LOL

Lena is the best! And I’m glad they are really focusing on Jaime/Brienne relationship next season.

12 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

More possible S8 hints:

Sansa: "Sansa and Arya now realize that they work very well together. And Bran, you know, as kind of a threesome there. Together, they kinda form the perfect unit." (Remember that that would-be leaker in December 2017 described an endgame triumvirate of Bran, Arya and Sansa.)

The Sansa recap completely glosses over her relationship with the Hound, but maybe that's because they didn't want to spoil anything for Season 8...?

I really hope the pack works together next season! I remember that leaker, it was so out of the blue for the typical “leaks” at freefolk, and if I’m not mistaken, that was before Bran betting thing, right? 

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1 minute ago, Edith said:

Arya’s fans are gonna be so happy with that quote! Ha! In fact they completely avoid that part on freefolk LOL

Lena is the best! And I’m glad they are really focusing on Jaime/Brienne relationship next season.

I really hope the pack works together next season! I remember that leaker, it was so out of the blue for the typical “leaks” at freefolk, and if I’m not mistaken, that was before Bran betting thing, right? 

That leak (or "leak") happened after the first big betting run on Bran in December 2017.

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1 hour ago, Eyes High said:

Sansa: "Sansa and Arya now realize that they work very well together. And Bran, you know, as kind of a threesome there. Together, they kinda form the perfect unit." (Remember that that would-be leaker in December 2017 described an endgame triumvirate of Bran, Arya and Sansa.)

If this is true, did Sophie manage to give out a spoiler/leak/clue even in her recap video? lol. I can't find her vid on FF.

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29 minutes ago, anamika said:

If this is true, did Sophie manage to give out a spoiler/leak/clue even in her recap video? lol. I can't find her vid on FF.

Yeah, the FF post disappeared for some reason. These videos seem heavily edited so that the actors' recaps fit within 15 minutes or so, so it seems weird that any spoilers would be dropped. 

Not much for Season 8 in the Jaime and Bran recaps. Isaac does talk a lot about how Bran is a computer, a CCTV archive, etc. With that said, it's really nice to hear the actors talking at length about their character arcs in these recaps, in their own words.

I still haven't seen the videos for Sandor, Jorah, Davos, Sam and Tyrion. I dunno how they're going to get 15 minutes' worth of story out of the Sandor recap, considering he's been a pretty minor character and he missed almost two seasons, but I guess we'll see.

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Just now, Eyes High said:

 Isaac does talk a lot about how Bran is a computer, a CCTV archive, etc.

I liked Isaac's recap. He comes across as a clever kid. There was Howland Reed name drop. He describes the 3ER as a vehicle for time and history. I really hope there is more to Bran than just talking about the past and the future.

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Isaac said that the NK attacked the cave so he could stop another 3ER from being made. He said the NK and 3ER are ancient enemies.

So we had clips from Arya, Bran, Sansa, Cersei, Jaime, Jon and Dany.

I hope Tyrion is next.

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Since the Sansa recap had nothing about Sandor, it will be interesting to see what Rory has to say in the Sandor recap about Sansa, since I don't know how you can recap Sandor's arc without talking about Sansa.

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1 hour ago, anamika said:

If this is true, did Sophie manage to give out a spoiler/leak/clue even in her recap video? lol. I can't find her vid on FF.

 

1 hour ago, Eyes High said:

Yeah, the FF post disappeared for some reason. These videos seem heavily edited so that the actors' recaps fit within 15 minutes or so, so it seems weird that any spoilers would be dropped. 

Not much for Season 8 in the Jaime and Bran recaps. Isaac does talk a lot about how Bran is a computer, a CCTV archive, etc. With that said, it's really nice to hear the actors talking at length about their character arcs in these recaps, in their own words.

I still haven't seen the videos for Sandor, Jorah, Davos, Sam and Tyrion. I dunno how they're going to get 15 minutes' worth of story out of the Sandor recap, considering he's been a pretty minor character and he missed almost two seasons, but I guess we'll see.

 

ON FF, House Monty, said he/she will repost Sansa soon.

Keep a LOOK OUT.

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4 hours ago, anamika said:

I liked Isaac's recap. He comes across as a clever kid. There was Howland Reed name drop. He describes the 3ER as a vehicle for time and history. I really hope there is more to Bran than just talking about the past and the future.

But that is what Bran said about himself on the show last season. I think that after he (and Sam) reveal Jon's secret, he will use his power to save his family and the North and that is it.

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Just use VPN to work around IP restrictions. Usually solves the problem pretty easily. Unless HBO blocks proxys, you should be able to watch their videos this way without having to wait for someone to youtube them.

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Tyrion's clip is out  as well. Dinklage said that Daenerys would have won the war easily, but Tyrion didn't want to see his home destroyed, so he created his plan, and she listened. 

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8 minutes ago, nikma said:

Tyrion's clip is out  as well. Dinklage said that Daenerys would have won the war easily, but Tyrion didn't want to see his home destroyed, so he created his plan, and she listened. 

Damn. Right now I feel so close to my dream of Davos as endgame Hand.

And Sansa/Arya/Bran teamwork would also make me very happy.

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6 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

I got a vibe about Tyrion in S8 from the recap, but not that particular one.

Please elaborate! I’d like to hear your thoughts. I picked up something I thought was interesting, when he mentioned something lovely came out of his marriage to Sansa . Possible foreshadowing? His whole attitude in regards to Dany was weird IMO. 

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11 minutes ago, GraceK said:

Please elaborate! I’d like to hear your thoughts. I picked up something I thought was interesting, when he mentioned something lovely came out of his marriage to Sansa . Possible foreshadowing?

Bingo!

Peter on Tyrion/Sansa:

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“He has this other woman, Shae, whom he’s in romantic love with, and it’s just all wrong. They really have love for each other. Not the romantic, Prince Charming kind of love, but a real fondness for each other and a real kindness towards each other. But something sort of lovely comes out of all of that. It’s like a flower growing out of a dirty sidewalk.”

There is no mention of Tyrion's crush on Dany, apart from Peter describing Tyrion thinking of Dany as a more beautiful version of himself.

Sophie on Tyrion/Sansa:

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“Instead of emotionally manipulating and abusing Sansa, it turns into physical abuse and humiliation, and really tearing her down literally and mentally, to the point where he’s stripping her in the throne room in front of all of the nobles. And Tyrion comes and saves her from that, which is quite remarkable for her because who would have thought a Lannister would have saved her?”
“Sansa is now betrothed to Tyrion. She hates the idea of being married to a Lannister, being married into that family, living in King’s Landing for the rest of her life.”
“Sansa is taking the wedding night not too well. She’d always dreamt of marrying and consummating that marriage with a young prince and not from a cruel, disgusting family, and here she is with a Lannister who’s three times her age and then Tyrion stops her.”
“There’s a scene where Sansa is telling Tyrion what she knows about what happened at the Red Wedding. It’s heartbreaking and she’s telling Tyrion almost to kind of spite him and make him feel bad of what his family has done but Tyrion is a comfort to her. He’s the unexpected Lannister.”

Sophie also gracefully omits Sansa's obvious objections to Tyrion's dwarfism in addition to objecting to his age and his family, but I'm guessing that's out of deference to Peter and not for any meta reason. 

Tyrion saving Sansa from Joffrey made the cut, but Sandor saving Sansa during the riot did not. Sandor is even edited out of scenes in which he actually appears, like the scene with Joffrey and Sansa on the battlements in 1x10 and the scene where Tyrion saves Sansa from Joffrey. Robin didn't make the cut, either, even though the scene where Littlefinger kisses Sansa in view of Lysa did.

So suspicions? Yeah, I have a few.

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7 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

Bingo!

Peter on Tyrion/Sansa:

There is no mention of Tyrion's crush on Dany, apart from Peter describing Tyrion thinking of Dany as a more beautiful version of himself.

Sophie on Tyrion/Sansa:

Sophie also gracefully omits Sansa's obvious objections to Tyrion's dwarfism in addition to his age and his family, but I'm guessing that's out of deference to Peter and not for any meta reason. 

Tyrion saving Sansa from Joffrey made the cut, but Sandor saving Sansa during the riot did not. Sandor is even edited out of scenes in which he actually appears, like the scene with Joffrey and Sansa on the battlements in 1x10 and the scene where Tyrion saves Sansa from Joffrey. Robin didn't make the cut, either, even though the scene where Littlefinger kisses Sansa in view of Lysa did.

So suspicions? Yeah, I have a few.

I agree with all the above . So where do you think this fits with a Tyrion betrayal next season ? Cause that makes even more hard to believe a face heel turn . 

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15 minutes ago, GraceK said:

I agree with all the above . So where do you think this fits with a Tyrion betrayal next season ? Cause that makes even more hard to believe a face heel turn.

I have no idea. I do know that Hannah Murray saying she's a fan of Jaime/Brienne and Tyrion/Sansa as she did in May makes no sense if Tyrion betrays the Starks as Friki claims.

I also think that if Sansa were going to have some kind of relationship storyline in S8, the Sansa recap would catch people up on that relationship. Doesn't necessarily mean that Sansa and Tyrion are going to have any kind of romantic entanglement, much less end up together, but if they are, that necessary precondition (talking about their relationship) has been met at least, where it wasn't for Sandor or Robin. I would think the same if the Sansa recap only talked about her relationship with Tyrion in cursory fashion but focused on Sandor or Robin.

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But I just feel that S8 without Tyrion's betrayal or something similar feels too clean, too safe. Cersei, Euron, Jaime and Night King will die, Tyrion will be Hand and he will be with Sansa and Jon and Daenerys will rule, and some secondary characters will die  and everything will be straightforward.

Tyrion's betrayal brings chaos into the story. 

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20 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

I have no idea. I do know that Hannah Murray saying she's a fan of Jaime/Brienne and Tyrion/Sansa as she did in May makes no sense if Tyrion betrays the Starks as Friki claims.

I also think that if Sansa were going to have some kind of relationship storyline in S8, the Sansa recap would catch people up on that relationship. Doesn't necessarily mean that Sansa and Tyrion are going to have any kind of romantic entanglement, much less end up together, but if they are, that necessary precondition (talking about their relationship) has been met at least, where it wasn't for Sandor or Robin. I would think the same if the Sansa recap only talked about her relationship with Tyrion in cursory fashion but focused on Sandor or Robin.

So Sansa is Elizabeth of York vibe.

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And if everything is clean and safe what is so "brave and controversial" about S8? Podrick's death? lol

 

Yes, Tyrion loving Daenerys could be controversial storyline, but every major character living and getting what they want would ruin GoT's legacy far more IMO. 

 

I could see Tyrion's betrayal critics being shut down with "if you think this has a happy ending..."  memes and "this is GoT, no one is safe", but if Jon and Dany rule, Tyrion and Sansa are together, Starks have the North, Arya goes west of Westeros with Gendry, and every bad guy is dead, how will anyone defend that ending from shitstorm that will follow? And even "planet of the apes" level twist when it comes to WW wouldn't save GoT's legacy. 

"D&D are hacks, GoT is just Hollywood fairytale, Disney ending,.." and so on. They need this big twist at the end.

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