S04.E03: Haunter of Ruins

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After five long years apart, Klaus attempts to reconnect with his daughter, Hope. Even as father and daughter bond, the rest of the family is still in turmoil. Elijah mediates a conflict between Hayley and Freya to determine the best way to protect the family. Meanwhile, in New Orleans, Vincent tells Marcel terrible secrets about his ex-wife, Eva Sinclair, even as they begin their search for a mysterious witch who plans to sacrifice a group of innocent children - including Hope Mikaelson.

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Klaus drives me nuts but damn if Joseph Morgan around kids doesn't make me melt just a little. Hopefully Hope is a better artist than Klaus. :-D

I must have been a good girl because more and more Vincent is happening and I likes it. Loved seeing Maisie again as Eva and more background re: Vincent and Eva's marriage. Btw Marcel's ridiculous car just really annoyed me, I just had to let that out. 

I will miss Kol and Rebekah. I can understand Freya's obsession with keeping a large amount of Malraux (and I know I spelled that wrong) wolf venom around but damn, have some damn compassion for Keelyn (probably spelled that wrong too). 

All I could think of during Elijah and Hayley's, um, physical reunion was that they better be quiet or they'll wake Hope up. 

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The first scene gave me hope that Klaus would finally realize that yelling at people at the top of his lungs would FINALLY have consequences (scaring the shit out of his kid) and he would try to control his fucking temper. But no, of course, he had to assume that someone told Hope terrible things about him (heh, even if that were the case, all of those terrible things are true!). When Hope said, "I heard you like to paint," I was imagining Hayley telling her, "Daddy loves to paint. He even painted a picture of a pony for this bitch where I used to live!"

I was also totally cracking up when Klaus told Hope, "YOU WILL BE THE BEST WITCH EVER!" Calm down there, daddy.

This familial tug of war over Keelin makes me feel the most sorry for poor Keelin. Just do this and I'll let you go. KIDDING, now you're our prisoner! Okay, I'm setting you free! KIDDING, I caught you! I mean, I get why Freya wants her venom but they can't keep this poor girl their prisoner indefinitely JUST IN CASE Marcel decides to go after them.

Loved seeing Eva again and I especially loved seeing her before she went nuts.

I still don't like the Elijah/Hayley stuff. Now I wish they'd go back to the guilt-ridden lingering looks of years past.

I'll miss Rebekah and Kol, but (1) I'm just happy that we got them back for two whole episodes and (2) I LOVED that Rebekah told Klaus that he should FOR ONCE let her go without drama, daggers, or banishment. You know, LIKE A NORMAL BROTHER.

Damn it, Logan, you just had to go bad!

Edited April 1, 2017 by ElectricBoogaloo

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[Artsda]

Aww sad to see Kol and Rebeckha leave.

Freya is always so highstrung, she can't take a break for a second.

I still find Hayley and Elijah so forced.

[D. Stormborn]

Weirdly I thought the scenes with Klaus and Hope as well as Becks was the best of this great episode. Also the twist at the end. So Marcel now drives a i8 Beemer lol, how sustainable of him. 

Are Kol and Becks gone again?

Nice to see Eva again.

Sex between Elijah and Hayley is still lamer than Klaus Hayley, anything Rebekah or Damon.

[wonderchica05]

I have to keep reminding myself Freya was raised by Dhalia, who was pretty damn ruthless. I guess she always wanted a family, but she has pretty strong feelings for people we haven't seen her interact with much other than solving problems.

All the child sacrifice stuff is really creepy. I loved seeing Eva. She was a great Rebekah, but I like seeing who she really is. Vincent was always way too charismatic to be dull Finn so I'm glad we got him out of there back in the day. I was always endlessly amused by the siblings making fun of Finn for being so lame.

I could do without all the sped up vamp sex. Normal sex would be hotter to me. I liked Hayley and Elijah best during the pregnancy.

[GraceAnne]

4 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

When Hope said, "I heard you like to paint," I was imagining Hayley telling her, "Daddy loves to paint. He even painted a picture of a pony for this bitch where I used to live!"

 Thank goodness I wasn't drinking while reading this! 

 

I'm somewhat embarrassed to admit the kids stuff isn't going as badly as I assumed it would. Although, anything with Vincent usually ends up being the best part of the episode for me.  So who know how I'll feel once all these ding dongs get involved with it. 

I never been a fan of, "specialist snowflake, to ever snowflake", so unsurprisingly I didn't love the Haley/ Elijah scenes. However everything else I enjoyed. 

Now someone get Jason Dohring a crowbar and a headlight to smash! 

[Sam Marie]

Rebekah and Kol left together, which means we've likely seen the last of them, but I thought it so perfect that they were able to start freah and experience their freedom and still keep some family with them.

 

Vincent has an unapologetic history of holding Matrcek accountable for his carnage and believing there's some Mikaelson in his blood - as if excusing the slaughter of witches to protect Davina wasn't reminder enough. I found it incredibly appropriate that Vincent be the first to acknowledge Hope is practically his sister.

 

Freya's cutthroat attitude has finally gotten to me, though I appreciate where it's coming from. Dahlia took Freya at the age of 5 when she lost her innocence and here family. Life with Dahlia wouldn't allow for any innocence or blissful ignorance but Freya spent her time yearning for those she was ripped from -Finn & Mikael- and dreaming of the family she had never and may never meet. Klaus was hunted, Kol was shunned, Hayley abandoned and that's affected them - and this is Freya's damage; a desperation and crippling fear of losing her family after so long, and a willingness to do whatever necessary.

 

Hayley & Klaus seem to have a handle on the co parenting thing. Hope being frightened of Klaus was heartbreaking (if expected faced with the Original family first thing in the morning) but Hayley seemed sympathetic and there weren't fights and wild accusations. She defended herself and Mary but seemed to get the assumption Hope was told horror stories of him was fairly logical. And Klaus calling for Hayley when Hope wakes in the middle of the night was precious.

[wonderchica05]

I liked when Hayley said in a perfect world she and Elijah would run off with Hope and Klaus could visit on the weekends. Hah!

[justmehere]

14 hours ago, wonderchica05 said:

could do without all the sped up vamp sex. Normal sex would be hotter to me.

Exactly - the sped up stuff is boring. Why can't they have a good, normal sex scene? It's like, on most shows, they always show the urgent. throw you against the wall or on the bed, aren't we wild! kind of scene, and it's boring. This takes that boring pointlessness to another level. If these people love each other, let's see it in their physical connection. They had a very hot scene in an earlier season, so they obviously can.

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17 hours ago, GraceAnne said:

Now someone get Jason Dohring a crowbar and a headlight to smash! 

Yes, I second that! Can we also throw in a Weevil cameo so he can give us some body shop talk innuendo?

I'm glad to see they're giving him more to do. He seemed woefully underutilized during his run as Camille's cop friend a few seasons ago. I mean, I'm always happy to see him on my tv, but it seemed such a waste to hire him for what was a relatively bland role. Now we're getting somewhere! Heh, of course, I don't see this ending well for him but at least I can hope that he'll go out in a blaze of glory!

17 hours ago, wonderchica05 said:

I could do without all the sped up vamp sex. Normal sex would be hotter to me.

ITA - I have never found the sped up vamp sex hot with ANY couple in the Vampire Diaries/Originals universe. Plus I hate that they resort to using vamp speed fo stupid things like sex and not for things like running away. I have the same pet peeve about how the shows conveniently forget that vamps have super hearing until it's useful to the plot. The rest of the time we're supposed to believe that they're all under the same roof blissfully oblivious of sex noises and phone call conversations.

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[Sam Marie]

Overall I loved the episode but a couple things stood out

Hope didn't disappoint me really but I have a hard time imagining/reconciling a child of Hayley Marshall and Klaus Mikaelson being so mild even with an isolated childhood. Her discomfort of encountering a porch of unsuspecting Mikaelsons was understandable (if Hope's such a sensitive kid wouldn't using their supernatural hearing to alert Klaus when Hope was getting ready and introducing them one on one make sense?) but Hope's continued reserved behavior, despite knowing better almost makes her seem uninterested in the family she made Hayley swore to bring back. And it makes you wonder how that child's gonna survive their stay in New Orleans

The return of Hope's anti magic bracelet makes me uneasy, at this point Hayley likely has her wear it due to her lack of control over the magic Hayley can't help her with, but its appearance in s2 drew frankly uncomfortable parallels to Ester suppressing Klaus' wolf via necklace and as they planned to run the hybrid curse. Being such a sensitive subject for Klaus, I'm interested to see if he makes a similar connection.

Hayley's attitude concerning Keelin was unsettling, I understood Hayley's desire to free her especially believing their New Orleans visits were over but the way she vented to Elijah that 'one of her kind' was being tortured.The fact that she was so easily shamed by a random wolf into werewolf solidarity makes me uneasy especially with the potential return of the Crescent pack in New Orleans considering the s2 divide. Hayley's been a hybrid and a Mikaelson for 7 years and will be for eternity - both of which make her a traitor in the eyes of wolves, the sooner she accepts that the better for everyone, maybe Hayley most of all.

5 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

ITA - I have never found the sped up vamp sex hot with ANY couple in the Vampire Diaries/Originals universe. Plus I hate that they resort to using vamp speed fo stupid things like sex and not for things like running away. I have the same pet peeve about how the shows conveniently forget that vamps have super hearing until it's useful to the plot. The rest of the time we're supposed to believe that they're all under the same roof blissfully oblivious of sex noises and phone call conversations.

Seriously wouldn't that vamp speed have been put to better use when breaking Klaus out having not quite succeeded with Tundes blade? The vamp speed sex just makes Hayley & Elijah all the more uncomfortable to watch

[Sam Marie]

14 hours ago, doram said:

Freya has enslaved an innocent woman, long past whatever use she has for the Mikaelsons solely because of her paranoia. How's that not unsettling? 

It is. As much as I understand where Freya's paranoia comes from, I agree with Hayley - keeping tortured prisoners in the barn indefinitely is not OK, especially with Hope around. It wasn't the act of freeing Keelin I took issue with but some of Hayley's reasoning behind doing so I fear might be problematic in the future as it was reminiscent of her indecisiveness between the Crescents and the Mikaelsons.

[Cattitude]

I won't lie I might have squeeked a little when Logan... I mean Det. Will was back. Now I can't decide is he REALLY evil or under some spell/mind control?

Freya has never been someone I liked so her using of Keelin was so wrong, but I do admit they have some good sexual chemistry so I suspect yah they'll be hookin' up soon. I didn't mind the end where Freya seemed more willing to work with her than torture her but Keelin still had no real power in the matter.

Klaus with Hope adorable. I have never seen a character that can make you so angry then look so adorable within one show like he can.

I have always loved Hayley and Elijah so I still find them charming together. I really found the gazebo scene charming.

[Timetoread]

3 hours ago, Cattitude said:

Freya has never been someone I liked so her using of Keelin was so wrong, but I do admit they have some good sexual chemistry so I suspect yah they'll be hookin' up soon. I didn't mind the end where Freya seemed more willing to work with her than torture her but Keelin still had no real power in the matter.

Did I miss something?  When did Freya become a lesbian?  I distinctly remember her coming back to the mansion with MALES to enjoy for the evening.  Of course Klaus is simply the worst brother in the world in this regard.  C- block is his middle name.   

I  think Freya is decidedly dark and it seems that it is the witches in this family that go left.  Makes me nervous about Hope.

While I don't particularly love Hayley/Elijah, I can live with it for a while.  What I do love is the maturity in which the show is writing and developing Klaus/Hayley.  Hope was created in a one night stand and these two have often actively disliked each other.  But slowly and subtly the show has pulled them together as unwaveringly Team Hope.  To think that it was Hayley who would write the story of Klaus (the most brutal killer in history) as Prince Charming for her daughter.  That she would advocate for him to Marcel as a father.  That she would find his one good trait - his love for family and specifically his love for his children.  And when Klaus looks at Hayley he doesn't just see "baby mama" he sees "the mother of my child." To him she is precious in an indescribable way.  He is as loyal to her as family because of Hope.  It is really beautiful.  My heart warmed in the scene with these two watching Hope sleep.  They are not lovers but they were completely bonded in love all the same.  

I am glad they kept Vincent as a cast member.  He brings a gravitas both as presence and as the representative of the witches that Davina did not.  I liked Davina but she was very much a "kid" and out of her depth.  V is wholly adult in his sensibilities and has so much constraint with his power that you forget that he is UBER powerful.  He is almost a match for Freya.

The Marcel/Klaus relationship has always been the undercurrent of the show for me.  A lot of stuff happens but I always felt that the REAL story was this father and son ultimately reuniting in spite of themselves. I say this because when Vincent pointed out to Marcel that baby Hope is practically his sister, and I remember that Marcel got to hold Hope before even her parents did, my heart went all aflutter.  Hope may just be the glue that is needed.

One last note: I was disappointed we didn't get a heartwarming scene of the Original siblings taking the only natural Mikaelson offspring into their hearts.  Particularly Kol.  He couldn't stay a minute to meet his niece?

[Sam Marie]

2 hours ago, Timetoread said:

I  think Freya is decidedly dark and it seems that it is the witches in this family that go left.  Makes me nervous about Hope.

One last note: I was disappointed we didn't get a heartwarming scene of the Original siblings taking the only natural Mikaelson offspring into their hearts.  Particularly Kol.  He couldn't stay a minute to meet his niece?

They're all decidedly dark, dangerous and damaged including Hayley to some degree. Freya is very much a product of her past, I'm brought back to s2 where learning about their similarities inspired distrust in Klaus because after everything he remained Mikael's son. Freya's paranoid, ruthless and desperate to hold onto her family at any cost - she's exceptionally like Klaus which is one of the reasons I really like her as a character. Klaus grew up with a family, lived 1000 years, albeit hunted, away from Mikael and neither Rebekah or Elijah ever really left his side. Freya ripped from Finn and Mikael lead an extremely isolated life with only Dahlia for company, living only one year every hundred affected deep connections with others and after finally being free of Dahlia she's thrown into a Mikaelson feud followed by the prophecy. I find it interesting to compare her actions Klaus' thousand year reign of terror & paranoia, honestly Freya might be a good choice for Elijah's next project.

I really appreciated that the day was dedicated to Hope and Klaus especially considering how overwhelmed she was by the influx of Mikaelsons. Father/daughter bonding being interrupted by introducing Kol or Elijah (esp) would have been disappointing if not inappropriate. Rebekah and Kol likely left so quickly so they weren't cast in the next episode but also because they know their family well enough to take the opportunity when presented, had they stayed a few more hours they would have been roped right back into New Orleans world of child sacrifice.

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1 hour ago, Sam Marie said:

I find it interesting to compare her actions Klaus' thousand year reign of terror & paranoia

Noted.  Funny but, I cut the vampires some fictional slack.  They are not human.  Humans are their food so it makes sense to me that morally they regard us in the way we regard cattle.  Some of us are more humane than others but we rarely put their welfare above our own.  Witches are human.  And they are mortal.  So when they are careless with or indifferent to or callous about the lives of others, I take note of their moral character.  Freya was somewhat neutral in the beginning but her ruthlessness is putting her at odds with some in her circle.  It was Freya who fed Davina to the ancestors even though Klaus was against it for Marcel and Kol was in love with her.  It is my wager that she is beginning to use "for family" as an excuse to go deeper and darker than she should. Like Vincent's Eva. She is very much like her aunt and her mother - the female witches in that family.   There seems to be a catch with he witches.  The power turns them. That may be why Marcel always played hardball with them. 

Upon further thought it would be interesting to compare her with Klaus because Klaus was the bad guy.  Is she going to be the new Big Bad?

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I can totally understand Kol leaving without getting to talk to Hope. He knows Klaus is a dick even to his siblings and this was his opportunity to escape while Klaus was preoccupied by Hope. As Kol said, sticking together for so long always led to violence so leaving before he and Klaus had a chance to argue for the millionth time was the smart thing to do. Kol is the least connected with his sibling and has always felt on the outside so again, leaving made sense (especially after five years with Rebekah and Elijah day after day). 

Rebekah, on the other hand, raised Hope by herself for almost a year. I thought that she would stick around for at least a day to reconnect with her beloved niece. But I think that like Kol, she saw a window of opportunity and took it. I also think that maybe she remembered what Kol said to his siblings when he was dying - that he always just wanted them to love him as much as they loved each other - and thought that this was a good way to show Kol that she loves him just as much as she loves Elijah and Klaus.

I also think that Rebekah and Kol will be better travel buddies than any combination involving Klaus or Elijah. They seem more independent and less concerned with having everything done their way so I think they will argue much less than either of them would with their other two brothers. I think this time together will be good for them and that, unlike with Klaus, if either of them decides to take off, they won't need to ask permission or deal with hours of recriminations and accuations of disloyalty/abandonment. 

[Timetoread]

Heh.  I just think that for the first time they feel free.  Not running from Klaus but living to live.  Kol has learned that he needs love in his life and needs to finish mourning. And Rebecca has always known that.  Elijah is wrapped up in Hayley and Klaus is wrapped up in fatherhood.   There is NO tension between the siblings for once. They left on a good note.

[Snow Fairy]

Did they explain why Hope is a witch? Did she inherit it from her grandmother?

[Sam Marie]

19 hours ago, Timetoread said:

Noted.  Funny but, I cut the vampires some fictional slack.  They are not human.  Humans are their food so it makes sense to me that morally they regard us in the way we regard cattle.  Some of us are more humane than others but we rarely put their welfare above our own.  Witches are human.  And they are mortal.  So when they are careless with or indifferent to or callous about the lives of others, I take note of their moral character.  Freya was somewhat neutral in the beginning but her ruthlessness is putting her at odds with some in her circle.  It was Freya who fed Davina to the ancestors even though Klaus was against it for Marcel and Kol was in love with her.  It is my wager that she is beginning to use "for family" as an excuse to go deeper and darker than she should. Like Vincent's Eva. She is very much like her aunt and her mother - the female witches in that family.   There seems to be a catch with he witches.  The power turns them. That may be why Marcel always played hardball with them. 

Upon further thought it would be interesting to compare her with Klaus because Klaus was the bad guy.  Is she going to be the new Big Bad?

I cut vampires similar slack, why should they be held to human standards when they aren't human? But along with the fact humans are their natural food source I consider immortality a divider. No one lives that long, experiences that much loss and witness such immense change unscathed. After 1000 years of watching the world around them - humans and their fleeting lives especially it's natural for them to see them as insignificant.  While Freya is a witch and therefore human, she's a witch who spent the majority of her life in the 10th century raised by possibly the most psychopathic member of that family and until Dahlia's death she lived an immortal life however unconventional. It's likely her unique living situation caused Freya to develop a similar detachment to human/mortal life, living 1 year every 100 meant any connection forged with another or familiarity with the world would perish by the time she woke again. The intervening years were spent dreaming of her family which was insight into immortal lives.

There's this accepted belief that human/mortal life is more valuable because vampires have already lived so long but I think for Freya (and others) the thought process is reversed, by killing a mortal they lose a few decades while any of her siblings could live another 1000 years.

Freya and Elijah sacrificing Davina was awful, I couldn't stand her half the time but it was undeniably tragic. But they did listen to Klaus and didn't immediately go after Davina it was only after Hayley didn't answer her phone and it became let 2-3 members of their family die or bring Kol's girlfriend back to life that they acted. It's harsh and ugly but the fact is Hayley, Klaus and Rebekah would all be dead, furthermore Rebekah's sire-line would be dead and the Ancestors would still be helping Lucien kill everyone else including Davina. On a completely inappropriate note, does anyone find Davina's pleas/denial that Freya was Kol's sister ridiculously ironic as she had tried to kill both of his brothers the week prior?

I don't see Freya as the next big bad or who Klaus was, but her desperation and paranoia over losing her family could easily cause problems. Not unlike this issues everyone else causes with their inability to play nice with others. She would probably benefit from Elijah making her his new project.

I think delving deeper and darker than one should 'for family' is essentially what the show is all about, they've never shied away from the uglier aspects of what a vow such as 'always & forever' really means.

[Scarlett45]

I have a question- I assume Hope is a werewolf and a witch given she was born the old fashioned way. If she never kills anyone she won't trigger the werewolf curse, but does she have any vampire traits? I would think so because her mom is the ONLY vampire never turned from an original but through Hope's blood through delivery. I wonder will the show explore this. 

[rue721]

On 4/2/2017 at 0:48 PM, Sam Marie said:

The return of Hope's anti magic bracelet makes me uneasy, at this point Hayley likely has her wear it due to her lack of control over the magic Hayley can't help her with, but its appearance in s2 drew frankly uncomfortable parallels to Ester suppressing Klaus' wolf via necklace and as they planned to run the hybrid curse. Being such a sensitive subject for Klaus, I'm interested to see if he makes a similar connection.

Interesting, I hadn't even thought of that.

The only justification I can see Klaus being able to make is that the purpose of Esther's necklace was specifically to make him defenseless, whereas they all work very hard to defend Hope.

Also, Klaus is very controlling, so it wouldn't surprise me anyway if he were (hypocritically) in favor of binding Hope's power even though he hated having his bound.

On 4/3/2017 at 4:27 PM, Timetoread said:

I am glad they kept Vincent as a cast member.  He brings a gravitas both as presence and as the representative of the witches that Davina did not.  I liked Davina but she was very much a "kid" and out of her depth.  V is wholly adult in his sensibilities and has so much constraint with his power that you forget that he is UBER powerful.  He is almost a match for Freya.

Totally agree.

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I agree that Vincent's maturity is an asset to the show. He doesn't take magic lightly so he doesn't perform spells just for the hell of it. He knows that it's a responsibility and he treats it as such. I know that part of Davina's storyline was that she was out of her depth dealing with the other witches but I like that Vincent tends to put thought into his decisions (heh, unlike many of the other characters who just react emotionally and lash out with their powers).