choclatechip45 December 28, 2016 Share December 28, 2016 Great article. Reminds me of what Keeping it 1600 has said about after the '04 election party leaders thought the only way we would win back the White House would be if we run a white male from a red state. We need to let this process play itself out. I do think as a party we need to work on voter turnout. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/50354-the-democratic-party-of-the-usa/page/6/#findComment-2858149
Duke Silver December 28, 2016 Share December 28, 2016 Juts a reminder that Obama & Holder will be focusing on re-districting; this has a huge impact on why Congress, among other things, looks the way it does. The most effective way to combat it? Get more Dems in state houses & state election boards. If you care about fair elections, get other like-minded people to care abut state/local politics/elections. https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/814146217039032320 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/50354-the-democratic-party-of-the-usa/page/6/#findComment-2858892
netlyon2 January 1, 2017 Share January 1, 2017 I don't think I've seen him mentioned here, but my Twitter TL is showing a lot of support for Tom Perez as the next DNC chair. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/50354-the-democratic-party-of-the-usa/page/6/#findComment-2867336
Padma January 1, 2017 Share January 1, 2017 On 12/28/2016 at 0:15 PM, Duke Silver said: Juts a reminder that Obama & Holder will be focusing on re-districting; this has a huge impact on why Congress, among other things, looks the way it does. The most effective way to combat it? Get more Dems in state houses & state election boards. If you care about fair elections, get other like-minded people to care abut state/local politics/elections. https://twitter.com/PoliticsWolf/status/814146217039032320 Obama's been president for three election cycles since the last redistricting in 2010. Dems have only had huge losses in the statehouses and legislatures since then. There's one election (unless 2020 counts) left before the next census and redistricting. Isn't this something the president should have been working on for the last 8 years? Seems an uphill struggle now, and one that will be a lot harder without the power of the presidency. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/50354-the-democratic-party-of-the-usa/page/6/#findComment-2867431
shok January 2, 2017 Share January 2, 2017 6 hours ago, Padma said: Obama's been president for three election cycles since the last redistricting in 2010. Dems have only had huge losses in the statehouses and legislatures since then. There's one election (unless 2020 counts) left before the next census and redistricting. Isn't this something the president should have been working on for the last 8 years? Seems an uphill struggle now, and one that will be a lot harder without the power of the presidency. I think Obama's been kinda too busy running the country and dealing with wars and ISIL and the economy and stuff like that to get involved with the races for council seats in Topeka. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/50354-the-democratic-party-of-the-usa/page/6/#findComment-2868220
SmithW6079 January 2, 2017 Share January 2, 2017 On 11/29/2016 at 11:10 AM, Duke Silver said: I get a DINO vibe. Pretty sure she also defended big tobacco back in the day. Please let's not go the "DINO" route. Look what "RINO" did for the Republican Party. The intelligent moderates are gone or have gone over to the dark side as the lunatic fringe took control, and here we are, with Herr Trump and his merry band of robber barons and white supremacists and foreign fingerprints. The last thing I want for the Democratic Party is a bunch of left-wing ideologues taking control and playing into Republican hands that Democrats are just shy of communists and socialists who want to redistribute the wealth. On 12/1/2016 at 2:40 PM, peacheslatour said: What I don't get is people saying Hillary didn't connect with rural voters, so that's why Trump won. O.k. I can see that, but how in the holy hell did a billionaire from New York City (get a rope) weasel his way into their good graces? He doesn't have the slightest notion about what their lives are like. I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings here, but do they really like being lied to? I mean the rust belt is not ever going to see those manufacturing jobs come back nor is coal mining ever going to be the main industry in West Virginia. Should Hillary have lied like Trump did? Is that what people really want in a president? Yes. Americans stopped being able to handle the truth/bad news decades ago. After 9/11, GW Bush missed a perfect opportunity to tell the American public that the times ahead were going to be tough, that we were entering a new kind of war, and we needed to band together and sacrifice to protect our country. Instead, we got "go shopping or the terrorists win." Guess what? The terrorists won anyway. FDR didn't tell Americans they should go back to business as usual. From Wikipedia on the impact and legacy of the "infamy speech" after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor: Quote The overall tone of the speech was one of determined realism. Roosevelt made no attempt to paper over the great damage that had been caused to the American armed forces, noting (without giving figures, as casualty reports were still being compiled) that "very many American lives have been lost" in the attack. However, he emphasized his confidence in the strength of the American people to face up to the challenge posed by Japan, citing the "unbounded determination of our people". He sought to reassure the public that steps were being taken to ensure their safety, noting his own role as "Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy" (the United States Air Force was at this time part of the U.S. Army) and declaring that he had already "directed that all measures be taken for our defense." That's not "go shopping." On 12/1/2016 at 9:00 PM, Nysha said: By saying Mexicans were rapist, Blacks are criminals, and Muslims are terrorists. He was/is the rich guy, beholden to no one, who "told it like it is". AND, he promised to make their lives better by making America great, again. Hopefully by locking up or kicking out everyone who isn't white, Christian, and Republican. Unfortunately, what got lost in the arguments that Trump was "against political correctness" is that treating all people with basic respect and dignity is not political correctness; it's the civil thing to do. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/50354-the-democratic-party-of-the-usa/page/6/#findComment-2868278
navelgazer January 2, 2017 Share January 2, 2017 28 minutes ago, SmithW6079 said: Please let's not go the "DINO" route. Look what "RINO" did for the Republican Party. The intelligent moderates are gone or have gone over to the dark side as the lunatic fringe took control, and here we are, with Herr Drumpf and his merry band of robber barons and white supremacists and foreign fingerprints. The last thing I want for the Democratic Party is a bunch of left-wing ideologues taking control and playing into Republican hands that Democrats are just shy of communists and socialists who want to redistribute the wealth. I respectfully disagree. I think the only way the Democratic Party will ever hold positions even remotely left of center is for the leftist ideologues to finally hold positions of real power within the party, power enough that the Third Way corporate Democrats know it's time for them to either come left with the majority of the party or they can hit the fricking highway and go be the moderate Republicans that they really are. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/50354-the-democratic-party-of-the-usa/page/6/#findComment-2868317
sistermagpie January 2, 2017 Share January 2, 2017 11 hours ago, SmithW6079 said: That's not "go shopping." I remember being so saddened by that. There was a real swell of community feeling after 9/11 with people eager to make some sacrifices but that's not the GOP way--you only make sacrifices when you think you're sticking it to someone else. Anything else would be too socialist. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/50354-the-democratic-party-of-the-usa/page/6/#findComment-2868823
Duke Silver January 2, 2017 Share January 2, 2017 12 hours ago, navelgazer said: I respectfully disagree. I think the only way the Democratic Party will ever hold positions even remotely left of center is for the leftist ideologues to finally hold positions of real power within the party, power enough that the Third Way corporate Democrats know it's time for them to either come left with the majority of the party or they can hit the fricking highway and go be the moderate Republicans that they really are. Word. Being Republican Light is a waste of time. Republicans do it better, so why bother? A Progressive message is the only way for Dems to regain power. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/50354-the-democratic-party-of-the-usa/page/6/#findComment-2869016
Duke Silver January 4, 2017 Share January 4, 2017 If Dems hope to ever have power again, they sure as hell better get back to state/local organizing. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/50354-the-democratic-party-of-the-usa/page/6/#findComment-2874009
Hanahope January 4, 2017 Share January 4, 2017 On 1/1/2017 at 4:57 PM, Padma said: There's one election (unless 2020 counts) left before the next census and redistricting Its the 2020 election, as it currently stands with districts, which will determine the state legislatures that subsequently control the redistricting after the 2020 census. so, two elections to go with current districts, and hope to make some strides in the 2020 election so dems will control more states for the redistricting. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/50354-the-democratic-party-of-the-usa/page/6/#findComment-2875407
Hanahope January 5, 2017 Share January 5, 2017 Quote Those potential conflicts of interest become CORRUPTION the day he takes office. I hope the Dems and the media call it out simply and clearly for what it is then: CORRUPTION and GRAFT and BRIBES. Following up on a post from the HRC thread, that Trump's business conflicts are going to dramatically impact his being president, I hope the Dems do not shy away from saying what it is, CORRUPTION, GRAFT AND BRIBES. Do not pussy-foot, or 'be nice' or come up with some cutsey euphamism. Say what it is. CORRUPTION, GRAFT AND BRIBES. Get those words into the American public's head, just like Trump did with 'crooked Hillary.' Say it, repeat it, often. Be strong. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/50354-the-democratic-party-of-the-usa/page/6/#findComment-2878224
stormy January 5, 2017 Share January 5, 2017 (edited) Yay! President Obama labeling healthcare destruction Trumpcare. That's gonna make fat ass so pissed off. Edited January 5, 2017 by stormy 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/50354-the-democratic-party-of-the-usa/page/6/#findComment-2878264
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