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SSAHotchner

SSAHotchner

I've decided to no longer call Erica MESSer. It's just so rude of me. And I hate all the name calling whether it's in political punditry or Twitter wars among various celebs. I must admit, it could be due to the Nelson's Sparrow commentary Erica did with Kirsten. I thought Erica came across as rather pleasant. I'm sure she's not a horrible person. She has proved via Nelson's Sparrow and earlier scripts she helped pen that she can write compelling plots and solid characterizations.

 

Sure, Erica could be in over her head as show runner. But then again, I wonder if a lot of CM's direction is out of her hands. Perhaps, it is the suits that are making these despicable decisions regarding CM's recent direction. Why? Is it because they want to reach a certain demographic who aren't as concerned about good scripts and characterizations? Is it because recent fans are bigger fans of torture porn? Are the fans the suits are after bigger on social media? Who knows? I  just know I'm not part of a demographic that is considered "hot" by corporate overlords and advertisers, who let's face it, pay the bills and keep CM on the air.

 

That being said, writing as a skill has been greatly devalued in our society, probably a lot having to due do the rise of shitty bloggers, reality TV and even the most D-list of celebs getting book deals. So I shouldn't be surprised that CM's writing of late has sunk to low levels.

But I've read some good writing on forums. I've enjoyed the level of intelligence and the well thought out comments and (mostly) respect here, and previously on TWOP. It shows me that there are still some thinking people online. I enjoy Facebook because it allows me to keep up with my family and friends throughout the world, but, my word, are there some morons out there! 

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Droogie
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I adored Hotch.  I think he was stoic and honorable and felt as though the weight of the world was on his shoulders.  And as Reid is my favorite character, it was always dear to me, how Hotch never le

Danielg342
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They're called "normal clothes", and, yeah, I miss that too.

JMO
JMO

The discussion about the upcoming 'Derek', and the promo for that episode brought me back to our prior two agent kidnappings.  It seems like this current set of writers has become progressively more v

MMC

MMC

But I've read some good writing on forums. I've enjoyed the level of intelligence and the well thought out comments and (mostly) respect here, and previously on TWOP. It shows me that there are still some thinking people online. I enjoy Facebook because it allows me to keep up with my family and friends throughout the world, but, my word, are there some morons out there! 

Speaking of social media, did anyone else besides me see where it was implied on both CM'S Facebook page and their official twitter account that Reid would be getting Morgan's office. All I can say is it is about damn time he was given his own office.Unless of course this is just a bunch of hype and they have no intention of following through with it.

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ReidFan

ReidFan

that's a complete 180 from his thoughts/posts of a couple of weeks ago. He's the one who eased my mind a bit back then, with his confidence that they'll get it done. They like the residuals too much :) I think  autumn's right, above, that he's just making sure we're all aware. He said he expected the renewal announcement just before the finale aired so, now is the time to make sure we're all noticing :)

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ForeverAlone

ForeverAlone

You never can tell with Harry. He has definitely trolled the fandom in the past, which is why I tend to side eye a lot of his comments. If he is right, and any renewal hangs in the balance, I will say that it was a foolhardy choice to end season 11 on a cliffhanger, when they haven't done a REAL cliffhanger (I don't consider season five to a real cliffhanger) in seven years. 

 

As for renewal, I don't care either way. In the past, I would be on pins and needles, obsessively checking ratings to gauge whether or not it might be canceled. But I wouldn't care if they chose to cancel it now (which is different than hoping they cancel it). I will watch any future seasons if they air (as long as Matthew is still on the show), but the past several years of worsening story quality has lessened my obsessive love for the show. If they had a writing renaissance I would feel different about it, but that would require replacing most of the writing staff. And if they haven't done it by this point, I doubt they will do it in the future. 

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SSAHotchner

SSAHotchner

You never can tell with Harry. He has definitely trolled the fandom in the past, which is why I tend to side eye a lot of his comments. If he is right, and any renewal hangs in the balance, I will say that it was a foolhardy choice to end season 11 on a cliffhanger, when they haven't done a REAL cliffhanger (I don't consider season five to a real cliffhanger) in seven years. 

 

As for renewal, I don't care either way. In the past, I would be on pins and needles, obsessively checking ratings to gauge whether or not it might be canceled. But I wouldn't care if they chose to cancel it now (which is different than hoping they cancel it). I will watch any future seasons if they air (as long as Matthew is still on the show), but the past several years of worsening story quality has lessened my obsessive love for the show. If they had a writing renaissance I would feel different about it, but that would require replacing most of the writing staff. And if they haven't done it by this point, I doubt they will do it in the future. 

I'm in exactly the same frame of mind as you. Although, as much as I love MGG, I won't watch if Hotch doesn't come back. And I have no hope of them improving the writing staff as they just let someone with no writing credits whatsoever write an episode alone. 

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SSAHotchner

SSAHotchner

wow....just rewatched Extreme Aggressor for the first time in ages. I'd forgotten how good that was. And the unsub was my very own saviour Andrew Jackson, what a great actor :)

 

really loved this episode, and I think had I seen it when it first aired, I probably would've been a CM fan from the beginning.

Extreme Aggressor is now my favorite CM episode. It was always a favorite, but through the years it has become my favorite. It was so well-written and I loved the visuals, especially the opening. All of the characters were interesting and you saw their skills right away, unlike now when they often seem interchangeable, or vanish part way through the episode. I can watch those early seasons over and over, but I barely remember any episodes beyond season 7. 

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smoker

smoker

Season 11 is supposed to end on a cliffhanger? I thought they were going to wrap everything up in 11.22.

Well, if 11.22 is a cliffhanger and CM is done after that, it wouldn't be unprecedented- after all, they ended Suspect Behaviour on one.

 

I don't wanna jinx it, but even if the show is cancelled I think we'll get a proper finale, I am not saying a good finale, but some closure. I guess they could order a shorter season or even a double episode the same as The mentalist or CSI.

ReidFan

ReidFan

LOL.....saw it yesterday and 1. almost none of the photos are from the episode the quote is taken from. (I looked!) and 2. already made my reply... though he doesn't even need to open his mouth and say anything for me to fall completely in love with him, I just adored season 4, episode "Amplification" where he's in the decontam tent and says to Morgan "I'm about to get naked so they can hose me down. Is that really something you wanna see?" and of course Morgan gives him the 'I'm outta here' look, yet me and millions like me are literally screaming at the tv: "YES!! YES it is!!!!!"


Then why all the talk of cancellation? Is it expense?

a few weeks back, Harry mentioned that the big hold up is the battle between CBS who owns it and airs it and ABC Studios who produce it. This happened last time the production contract was up too. AFAIK, all of the main actors are already signed for the optional season 12. He said specifically the cast and crew were not the issue.

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Bookish Jen

Bookish Jen

LOL.....saw it yesterday and 1. almost none of the photos are from the episode the quote is taken from. (I looked!) and 2. already made my reply... though he doesn't even need to open his mouth and say anything for me to fall completely in love with him, I just adored season 4, episode "Amplification" where he's in the decontam tent and says to Morgan "I'm about to get naked so they can hose me down. Is that really something you wanna see?" and of course Morgan gives him the 'I'm outta here' look, yet me and millions like me are literally screaming at the tv: "YES!! YES it is!!!!!"

a few weeks back, Harry mentioned that the big hold up is the battle between CBS who owns it and airs it and ABC Studios who produce it. This happened last time the production contract was up too. AFAIK, all of the main actors are already signed for the optional season 12. He said specifically the cast and crew were not the issue.

And when Dr. Kimura came in wearing a hazmat suit and Spencer said, "You look nice," I thought to myself, "Aww, Spencer, you're actually flirting!" Of course, he was flirting in his awkward yet charming sweetly dorkish way.

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ReidFan

ReidFan

current status: binge watching season one of CM, since the spousal unit has Nascar and then hockey and then baseball on the tv. Already watched: Compulsion, Won't Get Fooled Again, Plain Sight, Broken Mirror and LDSK. Skipped ahead to Soul Mates and Cold Comfort because I wanted to screencap the glorious Reid hair of those episodes (*wistful sigh*). Back to The Fox and Natural Born Killer. 

 

I might take a break later and watch Suburban Gothic and Life After Beth.......

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Bookish Jen

Bookish Jen

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Speaking of social media, did anyone else besides me see where it was implied on both CM'S Facebook page and their official twitter account that Reid would be getting Morgan's office. All I can say is it is about damn time he was given his own office.Unless of course this is just a bunch of hype and they have no intention of following through with it.

Yes. By now Spencer deserves his own office. He earned it, plus if he's like a lot of other introverts (and even some extroverts) a totally open work area probably makes him feel over exposed, like he's a cadaver on a slab. At least that's how I felt working in very open work places.

 

Damn, even that non-stop, overtly extroverted chatterbox, Garcia, has her own office!!!!

 

#GiveReidhisownoffice!

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MMC

MMC

I don't see anywhere where it says Reid is getting Morgan's office.....

 

point me please?

Unfortunately there is none.I meant to bring this up sooner,but it appears sadly I had jumped to the wrong conclusion after seeing this post on CM's Facebook page. But damn it all he deserves his own office.I suppose us Reid fans were asking for too much though.It was kind of foolish of me to have even entertain the thought Reid would be getting his own office.I just can't see him being worthy enough to obtain his own office, let alone Morgan's, in the eyes of Erica MESSer.

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Bookish Jen

Bookish Jen

On ‎4‎/‎26‎/‎2016 at 10:48 PM, ReidFan said:

the link I left sends you to a page of script where Garcia and Jareau are talking about Morgan's office....and this scene didn't appear in the episode, so I think it got deleted.

 

There's still hope that it'll be Spencer's office :) I guess. 

Well, with the way Spencer has been treated lately, he'll probably never get his own office. Most likely, he'll lose his desk and get placed in a moldy cardboard box like a feral cat about to give birth to kittens.

And most likely, Eric Messer's BAU favorite, Golden Girl Ninja Barbie, JJ, will get her own office. Rumor has it the exterior of JJ's office looks like this:
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JMO

JMO

Testing, testing....

Re: offices.  Rule number one----never give one up!  If your team owns an office, move someone in there ASAP, before it's given away!  If you can get an extra from another department, take it--which is what they did in procuring Morgan's office.  

On the other hand, they moved JJ out of her old office, and into the bullpen, when she became a profiler.  And then, inexplicably, per (the awful) '200',  left the office empty and untouched.  

If there is a rhyme or reason, it's attached to leadership.  So, if Reid were to be asked to step up as a leader, then he would get an office.  Otherwise, probably not.  Frankly, he's the best positioned of all of them to be able to maintain focus in the middle of a busy bullpen.  Absent the leadership question, looking solely at talent and ability, I would leave Reid where he is (not to mention that it's also where I can see him without doors and blinds in the way). 

I'm not surprised Garcia has her own space.  Can you imagine her computer works (and wires) sitting in the middle of the bullpen?

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ReidFan

ReidFan

it was inhabited.....by a bunch of storage boxes :). Looks like my spare bedroom. 'Where should I put this box of <whatever>?" "Oh, just stick it in JJ's old office"

I wonder if the show runners ever regretted even giving Morgan an office. They rarely show anyone but Garcia in their 'office' anyway. Most of the BAU headquarters scenes seem to be 'everyone meet me in the conference room in five minutes' uttered to the assemblage in the bullpen....followed by the scene where they're all gathered at the round table and Garcia comes in to present the case.

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autumnmountains

autumnmountains

32 minutes ago, JMO said:

JJ doesn't have an office.  It's called 'JJ's old office' because she now inhabits the bullpen. As of last sighting, her old office was uninhabited.

I've only forced myself to watch that episode in full, once. I'll still believe she thinks of it as her own. Plus, and I could be wrong, but Reid said something like "I put the file in your office.". :)

ReidFan

ReidFan

16 minutes ago, autumnmountains said:

I've only forced myself to watch that episode in full, once. I'll still believe she thinks of it as her own. Plus, and I could be wrong, but Reid said something like "I put the file in your office.". :)

she may think of it as her office, and Reid did say he left 'the file in your old office' but she doesn't use it anymore. She sits across from Spencer in the bullpen. The most recent time I can remember her being there was when she was munching saltines at the end of season ten, pulling open the drawer to get them when Reid walks up and says "not you too? Am I gonna have another godson?".....

Oh! and the end of whatever episode it was early this season, where Reid's calling his mom to tell her he's coming to visit, JJ very clearly just finished putting stuff away at her bullpen desk.

Pretty sure her old office is just the black hole of storage space now.

Watermelon

Watermelon

If it's anything like my job, they wouldn't give her an office if her rank or job didn't require one. Gotta keep things up for propriety's sake.  There was an office shuffle in my building and they moved us to an office with glass doors, only to remove the glass and put up drywall since only VIPs get glass.

 I could see them all callling the storage room JJ's office since that's what it used to be as an inside joke.

Droogie

Droogie

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I know Morgan had to fill in as Unit Chief, but I don't think I ever really understood why he needed an office of his own after that.  My brain is riddled with stuff right now that's blocking access to my CM history lobe.

I'm fine if Reid doesn't have an office, as long as no one who has less seniority than he gets one.  But I'd really like to see more of him showing what he's made of, especially since I think he's the logical choice to become Hotch's right-hand man.

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Cobalt Stargazer

Cobalt Stargazer

6 hours ago, Droogie said:

I know Morgan had to fill in as Unit Chief, but I don't think I ever really understood why he needed an office of his own after that.  My brain is riddled with stuff right now that's blocking access to my CM history lobe.

Did Derek have an office after his stint as unit chief? I remember that both Strauss and Hotch insisted that he take Aaron's office, but I don't remember him ever using it after he stepped down.

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