Belinea April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 3 hours ago, leopardprint said: Not only will he have been kidnapped twice, but under the exact same circumstances with explicit forewarning! Also, how do they find him all the time if he and his mom went into hiding? Does she keep in touch with Adrian? The problem for me with the kid storyline is that last season it was mainly a point to create drama. I mean we saw Samantha more than we saw William. Oliver loving his kid is completely fine but the audience is supposed to be on his side because the message is 'the love for your child trumps it all'. So after having a handful of episodes which dealt more with Oliver's BM's influence on his relationship, the kid was gone. Basically we were told how much Oliver loves this kid without actually being shown what Oliver would be like as a dad apart from that one scene. In the end it wasn't about the kid, it was about plot. Now, almost a whole season later, we once again have to deal with the child that comes up like a plot device they just can't quit even though nobody really feels emotionally connected to it. At least I don't. The reason I feel emotional about it, is because I think children should be happy and have a safe life but not because I want more Oliver and William. The storyline basically works on the premise of a normal human being wanting a child not to be in danger. Other than that it will probably once again be about Samantha and Oliver's wrongdoings as a partner/father. Did that make sense? It made more sense in my head, I believe. To sum it up, I could care less about BM. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195019
way2interested April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Belinea said: Also, how do they find him all the time if he and his mom went into hiding? Does she keep in touch with Adrian? The problem for me with the kid storyline is that last season it was mainly a point to create drama. I mean we saw Samantha more than we saw William. Oliver loving his kid is completely fine but the audience is supposed to be on his side because the message is 'the love for your child trumps it all'. So after having a handful of episodes which dealt more with Oliver's BM's influence on his relationship, the kid was gone. Basically we were told how much Oliver loves this kid without actually being shown what Oliver would be like as a dad apart from that one scene. In the end it wasn't about the kid, it was about plot. Now, almost a whole season later, we once again have to deal with the child that comes up like a plot device they just can't quit even though nobody really feels emotionally connected to it. At least I don't. The reason I feel emotional about it, is because I think children should be happy and have a safe life but not because I want more Oliver and William. The storyline basically works on the premise of a normal human being wanting a child not to be in danger. Other than that it will probably once again be about Samantha and Oliver's wrongdoings as a partner/father. Did that make sense? It made more sense in my head, I believe. To sum it up, I could care less about BM. *Couldn't care less (sorry, total pet peeve of mine XD) But other than that, I agree. I'm just more irritated at the potential of the season emotional crux/stakes coming down to Oliver saving his kid after they already used this plot in a random middle episode last year. That that's the "desperate" times that makes Oliver thinks he should team up with morally grey people (Nyssa), straight criminals (Boomerang), and two people who have tried to kill him/people he cares about (Slade and Malcolm), despite the beginning of the season and 5a being about how Oliver (again) should open up to his team. Even if the desperation actually comes from the entire team being kidnapped plus his son, it still bothers me because there's nothing to learn or develop from by this happening (in fact, it only proves Oliver more right in that the people he cares about are in danger because of him) and only becomes a way to show a weirdly imbalanced showy fight scene. Throwing his kid in the mix just messes it up even more because now it's adding a further complication that I only shallowly (if anything) care about. Although I am really looking forward to the next few episodes and am also shallowly excited to see that big fight scene, so I'll see how it works out. Edited April 19, 2017 by way2interested 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195086
leopardprint April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Belinea said: The storyline basically works on the premise of a normal human being wanting a child not to be in danger. Other than that it will probably once again be about Samantha and Oliver's wrongdoings as a partner/father. Did that make sense? It made more sense in my head, I believe. To sum it up, I could care less about BM. Yes, it makes sense to me. The kid has been presented like a victim of the week on any procedural show but is now going to be the lynchpin of the finale of the allegedly planned five year arc. Except I honestly do not care what happens to that future Darwin Award nominee or his mom. ETA: @way2interested said it better than me, but I'd like to add the kid solely exists to give Samantha leverage over Oliver not to examine the difficulties of raising a kid as a vigilante or Oliver as a parent. It's easy for me to dismiss them because they're just obstacles not characters. The writers will continue to return to that well because it creates drama between O/F while keeping Oliver's hands clean. "She's the mother of his child...." Gross. Edited April 19, 2017 by leopardprint 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195092
insomniadreams88 April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 24 minutes ago, Belinea said: Also, how do they find him all the time if he and his mom went into hiding? Does she keep in touch with Adrian? The problem for me with the kid storyline is that last season it was mainly a point to create drama. I mean we saw Samantha more than we saw William. Oliver loving his kid is completely fine but the audience is supposed to be on his side because the message is 'the love for your child trumps it all'. Even if Samantha is Chase's ex and he knows where they are because they kept in touch, they'll probably still make it be about how Oliver being in his life could be dangerous to the kid because, despite not letting go of this storyline, I think they realize they can't have the kid around, even part-time. It's already an awful storyline and he just makes it worse when he shows up. But they refuse to make Samantha look like the bad guy, even a little (which is probably why that second check disappeared) so it wouldn't be her fault at all. The bolded part is really what it comes down to. The problem is that they turn it into, "you will care about this kid because he's a kid - and he's Oliver's kid - even if it means that we screw over/forget about the other characters/relationships we've spent 4 (now 5) seasons on" whenever he's on-screen or brought up. It's what happened last year and if he is in fact kidnapped again, which, let's face it, will probably end up being something as stupid as the kid went with his "mother's friend" because Samantha probably never taught him "don't go with strangers" even after he was kidnapped last year, it'll happen again. I really hate this storyline and these characters, and I wish they'd have Flashpoint affect things one more time to make Chase or someone else the kid's father and erase that DNA test. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195144
Cleanqueen April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 So Marc said the trailer should come out around 3pm PST....any guesses on what will be on there. I pray we get at least one Olicity kiss if they wont preview the whole sex scene :P 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195206
Morrigan2575 April 19, 2017 Author Share April 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, Cleanqueen said: So Marc said the trailer should come out around 3pm PST....any guesses on what will be on there. I pray we get at least one Olicity kiss if they wont preview the whole sex scene :P Not if that ??? made an impression on Marc. My guess: Oliver on the Island in Pilot wig, lots of Oliver action scenes (Prometheus, Kovar, etc), 1 or 2 Olicity scenes, 1 or 2 OTA scenes, a funny and/or badass Felicity scene, a few quick scenes of masks (hero and villains) Lian Yu, a Chase being creepy scene, and ending on Deathstroke with a Many VO (hello, brother). This is excluding the Oliver in Lair scene which we already saw 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195269
insomniadreams88 April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 I actually hope we get something of Lyla/ARGUS so we can get a better idea about what's coming up there. My guess is we won't get anything more about Helix than what we've already seen in the 519 promo. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195278
statsgirl April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 1 hour ago, leopardprint said: Except I honestly do not care what happens to that future Darwin Award nominee or his mom. That's just brilliant. Is there a junior category so we can get rid of him now? I hope the only reason they bring William back is to finally end his role in terms of the show. I doubt they will kill a child so hopefully he goes into WitSec until he turns 26 and comes back to fight alongside his father. But I want him and his mother to be off the show from now on. This storyline has always made Oliver look like a gullible idiot and that's not the way I want the finale of five years of his struggles to be. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195485
EmilyBettFan April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said: Not if that ??? made an impression on Marc. My guess: Oliver on the Island in Pilot wig, lots of Oliver action scenes (Prometheus, Kovar, etc), 1 or 2 Olicity scenes, 1 or 2 OTA scenes, a funny and/or badass Felicity scene, a few quick scenes of masks (hero and villains) Lian Yu, a Chase being creepy scene, and ending on Deathstroke with a Many VO (hello, brother). This is excluding the Oliver in Lair scene which we already saw Lmfao I love your thinking. Hello brother had me rofl cause I was reading it out loud. ? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195815
Morrigan2575 April 19, 2017 Author Share April 19, 2017 18 minutes ago, EmilyBettFan said: Lmfao I love your thinking. Hello brother had me rofl cause I was reading it out loud. ? I wrote it and then went...wait isn't that what Damon said to Stefan? I think Arrow copied TVD ? 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195878
SleepDeprived April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Cleanqueen said: So Marc said the trailer should come out around 3pm PST....any guesses on what will be on there. I pray we get at least one Olicity kiss if they wont preview the whole sex scene :P It's 3:30 PST... Do we seriously still not have the sizzle reel??! I didn't break speeding limits to get home only to be left hanging like this! Me, right now, while I keep refreshing everywhere to check for that stupid sizzle reel of a show I still kinda love/but am kinda petty about, too: 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195891
Morrigan2575 April 19, 2017 Author Share April 19, 2017 On MGs defense, his actual tweet Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195909
Mellowyellow April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 Haha I just woke up and was so disssapointed that this page hadn’t gone nuts which meant no trailer. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195910
Guest April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 Is it definitely today? Because he never said a day. LMAO. That would be kinda hilarious tbh. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195917
insomniadreams88 April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 I'm taking this to mean it's today: Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195923
SleepDeprived April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said: On MGs defense, his actual tweet I can't go through this again tomorrow! I nearly had a heart attack while driving all over the freeways of LA, okay?! And they better not be dropping it on Friday either, when I will be in airports and traveling all day! LMAO 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195940
insomniadreams88 April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195944
Guest April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 I feel like I jinxed it. My bad. Haha. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195946
leopardprint April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 (edited) Edited April 19, 2017 by leopardprint 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195948
SleepDeprived April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said: 4 minutes ago, Angel12d said: I feel like I jinxed it. My bad. Haha. GDI, Guggie!!! Mulder was right... *sigh* Just another way that this dumb season has let me down! Lol. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195959
lemotomato April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 "Technical difficulties". More like Chico probably left work early without posting it. 21 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195961
Carrie Ann April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3195992
Mellowyellow April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 23 minutes ago, lemotomato said: "Technical difficulties". More like Chico probably left work early without posting it. Maybe there is some really good Olicity and that mean woman is having one last spiteful hurrah! 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196040
lemotomato April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 Just now, Mellowyellow said: Maybe there is some really good Olicity and that mean woman is having one last spiteful hurrah! Hopefully this is why! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196047
Primal Slayer April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 How hard is it to upload a video? 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196057
statsgirl April 19, 2017 Share April 19, 2017 (edited) How hard is it to tweet about the current storyline and yet it seems like it's often beyond her. Edited April 19, 2017 by statsgirl 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196077
Morrigan2575 April 19, 2017 Author Share April 19, 2017 (edited) I know Everyone Hates Chico but, I'm going with the lame explanations, corrupted file, file conversion issue, intern had a hot date, left early and everyone else is technically impaired...?? Edited April 20, 2017 by Morrigan2575 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196115
lemotomato April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 (edited) I wonder which poor bastard has to show up to work at 6AM if the sizzle reel does get posted by 9AM EST. edit: Except SA says it's 9AM PST now Edited April 20, 2017 by lemotomato Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196127
apinknightmare April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 (edited) As the Sizzle Reel Turns #soapopera Edited April 20, 2017 by apinknightmare 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196135
way2interested April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said: I know Everyone Hates Chico but, I'm going with the lame explanations, corrupted file, file conversion issue, intern had a hot date, left early and everyone else is technically impaired...?? I have to support one of my favorite shows, though, even if the real narrative doesn't match it! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196219
lemotomato April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 (edited) https://twitter.com/mguggenheim/status/854853414286573569 So I guess this is when the "What's the heaviest gun Emily can carry" spoiler comes into play. Edited April 20, 2017 by lemotomato 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196323
Morrigan2575 April 20, 2017 Author Share April 20, 2017 (edited) Oh that's 1 correct guess LOL Edited April 20, 2017 by Morrigan2575 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196366
Mellowyellow April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 Bless him he gave us a Felicity shot!!!!!! Squeeeeeee 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196394
apinknightmare April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 What kind of gun is that? It looks like it fires both ammo and nerf balls. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196396
insomniadreams88 April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 Huh. I'm surprised. I expected something flashback or present day island-related. I'm very happy I was wrong. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196411
SleepDeprived April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, lemotomato said: So I guess this is when the "What's the heaviest gun Emily can carry" spoiler comes into play. Felicity! My bae! Aww... Alright, fine! I'm waking up earlier than usual to catch this sizzle reel! 3 minutes ago, apinknightmare said: What kind of gun is that? It looks like it fires both ammo and nerf balls. Looks like an M4 Carbine with grenade launcher. Edited April 20, 2017 by SleepDeprived 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196415
Guest April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 Love it. Seriously, they should really have Felicity learn how to use a gun, just in case. Although she seems to manage okay in that shot, haha. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196443
Mellowyellow April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 Which ep is this? Anyone have any ideas? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196462
Morrigan2575 April 20, 2017 Author Share April 20, 2017 I don't think it was ever specified, just an upcoming episode. I'm going to guess 521 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196484
insomniadreams88 April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 I'm half-convinced that they think anything more than 3 scenes over 5 years of anything training-related would get too close to mask territory. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196491
calliope1975 April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 Rather than the gun, I'm much more curious about this jacket situation. Is that satin? Velvet? Velour? 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196684
apinknightmare April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, calliope1975 said: Rather than the gun, I'm much more curious about this jacket situation. Is that satin? Velvet? Velour? Hopefully something that catches fire easily, because...yeah. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196719
Mellowyellow April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, calliope1975 said: Rather than the gun, I'm much more curious about this jacket situation. Is that satin? Velvet? Velour? I love her so I tried to ignore that jacket. Maybe they get cosy in 520 and she was so happy she decided to wear that hideous thing to hint that she wants to get back together again. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196760
leopardprint April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 (edited) She looks like she's wearing a quilted, velour sweatsuit. ETA: The choice of this jacket makes me concerned regarding the decisions made for the rest of this season... Edited April 20, 2017 by leopardprint 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196789
statsgirl April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 Right actress but I'd go a bit later -- Elke's sweatsuits from Hot in Cleveland. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3196839
Primal Slayer April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 The moment errbodys been waiting for Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3197247
wonderwall April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 (edited) Marc's responses (not all of them but the ones I particularly enjoyed): Edited April 20, 2017 by wonderwall 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3197317
SmallScreenDiva April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 I'm gonna guess that last part is Josh, though I would love for it to be a scene with Emily. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3197329
leopardprint April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 I'm thinking it's Samantha or the Crayola Kid. I don't think he would need to censor Chase's name. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3197354
apinknightmare April 20, 2017 Share April 20, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SmallScreenDiva said: I'm gonna guess that last part is Josh, though I would love for it to be a scene with Emily. Hopefully it's not with Samantha, both of them crying as Oliver promises to care for their idiot son as her life slowly slips away. Maybe it's with the kid as he finds out Oliver is Green Arrow AND his dad, hahahaha someone hold me while i weep Edited April 20, 2017 by apinknightmare 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/1490/#findComment-3197358
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