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Me for all of last summer hiatus and 5A: Me after reading the WM interview from a few weeks back about Felicity's arc giving her a more profound understanding of Oliver: Me after r

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I tend to think that trying to make KC a place on the show had a ripple effect that did hurt the show pretty badly.  She's what turned Quentin stupid and into a creepy stalker.  So that wipes off the

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  On 10/26/2016 at 4:46 PM, Chaser said:

If they are planning on bringing on a new BC, that would actually be the smart thing cause they need to dump that paperweight.

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Literally dump it in the river as she says, "Bye bye, birdie," because once was not enough with that joke. 

And then Oliver needs to get recalled for wasting taxpayer money. 

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lemotomato

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Speculation about Diggle's storyline: they break him out of jail tonight and he's a fugitive, stuck in the bunker with no outside life and his story arc is working to clear his name and bringing the bad guys that frame him to justice? It would sort of parallel how Felicity is also stuck in the bunker (although for her it's more self imposed than for external reasons) and contrasts to how Oliver is now the only one on the team that has a public and vigilante life.

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wonderwall

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  On 10/26/2016 at 4:49 PM, Sunshine said:

When Felicity told Rory what happened at the end of 5.03 I figured that was the end of her POV and that 5.04 would show his. I will be surprised if this story isn't wrapped up in a line or two. I don't know exactly what will happen but I expect he's not going to think she's a cold blooded murderer of thousands. (anti-Felicity viewpoint)

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statsgirl

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  On 10/26/2016 at 5:46 PM, lemotomato said:

Speculation about Diggle's storyline: they break him out of jail tonight and he's a fugitive, stuck in the bunker with no outside life and his story arc is working to clear his name and bringing the bad guys that frame him to justice? It would sort of parallel how Felicity is also stuck in the bunker (although for her it's more self imposed than for external reasons) and contrasts to how Oliver is now the only one on the team that has a public and vigilante life.

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Please, please, please let this lead to Diggle/Felicity conversations.

If I"m stuck with Det Mayo, at least give me good OTA platonic scenes.

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wonderwall

wonderwall

  On 10/26/2016 at 6:04 PM, Chaser said:

A friend of mine was asking for spoilers while watching the first couple of episodes. He is convinced Felicity is going to be NuBC now. Lol

I can't with people. 

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LOLLL I think this is mainly because Emily is so fit and healthy and definitely has the body and ability for it

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Chaser

Chaser

So WildDog was in the Navy? Isn't mystery girl supposed to be former military?

  On 10/26/2016 at 6:05 PM, wonderwall said:

LOLLL I think this is mainly because Emily is so fit and healthy and definitely has the body and ability for it

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His reasoning is that she is supposed to get this new key role in 5b which is the same time the NuBC is supposed to happen. He thinks that the 'no mask' exchange was actually foreshadowing her getting a mask. He also thinks it gives them GA/BC but keeps Olicity. 

I just stared at him. Cause no.

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wonderwall

  On 10/26/2016 at 6:12 PM, Chaser said:

So WildDog was in the Navy? Isn't mystery girl supposed to be former military?

His reasoning is that she is supposed to get this new key role in 5b which is the same time the NuBC is supposed to happen. He thinks that the 'no mask' exchange was actually foreshadowing her getting a mask. He also thinks it gives them GA/BC but keeps Olicity. 

I just stared at him. Cause no.

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Tina was in the Navy. 

LOL I actually think it may be her going undercover or working with ARGUS IDK :p

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tv echo

tv echo

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FWIW, that Olicity-hating, reddit-quoting Forbes reviewer wrote a review for 501 that was quite positive, except for one "bad" thing - based on Laurel's dying words to Oliver, he's afraid that Felicity will become the new Black Canary. In other words, the reviewer criticized the show for something that hadn't happened, but that he feared would happen (he got a "sinking feeling").

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  On 10/26/2016 at 5:55 PM, wonderwall said:
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I remember this but it could be that she still feels the weight of what she has done (IMO it wouldn't be weird if she did for all her life), not that it's going to be an actual storyline after tonight. Just something that will still be there, below the surface. I think it can be open to interpretation and I honestly don't even know which one might be more likely.

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wonderwall

wonderwall

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  On 10/26/2016 at 6:28 PM, Midnight Lullaby said:

I remember this but it could be that she still feels the weight of what she has done (IMO it wouldn't be weird if she did for all her life), not that it's going to be an actual storyline after tonight. Just something that will still be there, below the surface. I think it can be open to interpretation and I honestly don't even know which one might be more likely.

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Isn't that enough? We get to see the fallout of her guilt, we get to see her learn to move on from it (not necessarily forgive herself)... It's not going to happen in 2 episodes considering Brian said that it's still paying dividends in 512, meaning it's scripted. I don't see any indication that they're going to drop Havenrock and forget about it. 

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Midnight Lullaby

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  On 10/26/2016 at 6:34 PM, wonderwall said:

Isn't that enough? We get to see the fallout of her guilt, we get to see her learn to move on from it (not necessarily forgive herself)... It's not going to happen in 2 episodes considering Brian said that it's still paying dividends in 512, meaning it's scripted. I don't see any indication that they're going to drop Havenrock and forget about it. 

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For me no. I wanted them to go deep on the issue. If it is for you good, I don't want to argue on that, I just wanted to think about the possibilities since you posted that tweet.

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-- S5 will introduce the recurring role of a cocksure/reckless ex-Marine turned vigilante. (Jun. 2, 2016 TVLine article, page 38 of Spoilers thread)
-- DC Comics character Wild Dog will appear in multiple episodes, starting with the season premiere, in S5.  He will be played by Rick Gonzalez ("RG").  Wild Dog is a new vigilante in Star City whose reckless and cocksure nature prompts Green Arrow (Stephen Amell) to take him under his wing.  (Jun. 15, 2016 Entertainment Weekly article, page 38 of Spoilers thread, and Jul. 1, 2016 TVLine article, page 39 of Spoilers thread)

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-- According to Twitter the show has a casting call out for a principal recurring guest star role 'Tina' in the back half of the season with possibility of regular. People are talking about a script leak in which she is identified as a love interest.  Casting sides: "Scene 1: Rando alley. Tina fools a perp into thinking she's fragile, kicks his ass. Green Arrow observes, asks her to join the team again [the directions note this isn't the first time they met], Tina tells GA she doesn't like him, she doesn't want him as her team leader, it's super adversarial. Then he mentions some dude from her past and that the team can help her find him, and she starts to crack. 'Show me something you can find that the FBI didn't, and I'll think about joining your team,' or something like that... Scene 2: at the Arrow bunker. Tina is pounding the gym bag, Oliver arrives. She's frustrated about some Prometheus thing, he is apparently 'mr. disappearing act.' Oliver says Felicity and Curtis will find a location. She's woe-ing about her past as a Marine, and that being good enough is not enough, it's pretty much a self-actualization video script. And then Oliver tells her she's the best fighter he's ever seen, and it becomes flirty. They almost kiss, but Oliver's phone beeps with a location... Actual direction notes of this beat: 'They look at each other. Sexual tension palpable. Are we finally going to get an Oliver/Tina kiss? The tension broken by: PING! Oliver looks at his phone.'" (bijoux and dtissagirl posts, page 1137 of Spoiler Discussion thread)

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Isn't the Marine Corp. part of the Navy?

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SmallScreenDiva

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  On 10/26/2016 at 6:12 PM, Chaser said:

So WildDog was in the Navy? Isn't mystery girl supposed to be former military?

His reasoning is that she is supposed to get this new key role in 5b which is the same time the NuBC is supposed to happen. He thinks that the 'no mask' exchange was actually foreshadowing her getting a mask. He also thinks it gives them GA/BC but keeps Olicity. 

I just stared at him. Cause no.

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You're not the only one who has friends who think that. These are people who are offline but huge comic book fans. Also, male. I stare at them, too, mostly in wonderment because I love the idea, it's surprising, a gotcha, totally makes sense and Emily will absolutely kick ass in a physical role. BUT I've heard Guggie say NEVER way too many times.

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catrox14

catrox14

  On 10/26/2016 at 6:39 PM, tv echo said:

And then Oliver tells her she's the best fighter he's ever seen, and it becomes flirty.

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The best fighter he's ever seen? IN THE PRESENT? IN THIS TIMELINE? She's better than Sara?? Better than Nyssa? Better than GossipGhul? Malcolm? Is she Talia Al Ghul?

Sounds like a hint about the comics version of Black Canary being the best fighter.  HOOO BOY. I'm going to actually really laugh if she's a new Black Canary.

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tv echo

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  On 10/26/2016 at 7:03 PM, tarotx said:

Maybe you are thinking that because they are under the U.S. Department of the Navy?

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I got it now - the U.S. military has 5 branches: Army, Navy, Marine Corps, the Coast Guard and the Air Force. The Marines and the Navy are both overseen by the U.S. Dept of the Navy.

From that latest GATV article, it sounds like we're supposed to believe that both Oliver & Felicity have both moved on and are totally fine with each other dating other people now... almost like the last two years never happened. I'm still not convinced it's just a ship stall and not the EPs' attempt to end Olicity.

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dtissagirl

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Stephen told us “you’re either romantically involved or you’re not.”

“Oliver and Felicity, in my mind, are reconciled. Everything’s on the same page with them. Everything’s on the table. They’re just not together,” he said." 

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Nobody ever told Steve about the "it's complicated" kind of being romantically involved, right.

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fangirlforever320

fangirlforever320

  On 10/26/2016 at 7:23 PM, dtissagirl said:

Nobody ever told Steve about the "it's complicated" kind of being romantically involved, right.

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I mean, i KNOW he's not saying they don't still love each other. That those feelings turn off like a light switch? Or what? Like... what is the dude trying to prove here. 

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tangerine95

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It really sounds like they have no idea how to talk about olicity. Like they need them to stay broken up still but they don't want to mention why they broke up because then they would have to bring up the baby mama drama and everyone hated that. So we get these type of answers. 

Idk how Oliver and Felicity are on the same page and have everything on the table when Oliver is hoping they get back together and Felicity has a bf she didn't tell him about and is saying they don't have the type of relationship where she can talk to Oliver about her problems. So they're not even writting them as fully reconciled even as friends imo. 

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catrox14

catrox14

  On 10/26/2016 at 7:32 PM, HeroLeague said:

Is she though, I dont think BC is considered the best fighter in the DCU. 

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I just am going by what I've generally read in synopses etc. that she is supposedly better than most other than maybe Lady Shiva. I dunno. I'm not an expert at all.  Maybe some others who know about her better can offer opinion.

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  On 10/26/2016 at 6:53 PM, lemotomato said:

 

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Probably varies a bit but, this list puts her at #14 out of the Top 15 Hand to Hand Fighters in DC Comics

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/comics/dc_comics/top-15-best-hand-to-hand-fighters-in-dc-a143079

Safest answer is that she ranks amongst the best in DC Comics.

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lemotomato

lemotomato

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I find their (the EPs and SA) attitude of "stop asking about Olicity staaaaahp" almost amusing at this point. Like, what did they expect? The show spent the better part of 3.5 seasons teasing and then actually showing them in a relationship. Just because they're suddenly trying to pretend none of that happened doesn't mean the audience is going to forget and stop asking them about it.

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  On 10/26/2016 at 7:28 PM, dtissagirl said:

I think he's saying NOROMO! NOROMO! NOROMO! because that's what you say during 'ship stalling.

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SNORT! True story though... 

  On 10/26/2016 at 7:31 PM, catrox14 said:

It's a total non-answer LOL.

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It's the non-answeriest of non-answers. It's saying the same thing he's said before in a different way and trying to make it sound new. 

  On 10/26/2016 at 7:37 PM, tangerine95 said:

It really sounds like they have no idea how to talk about olicity. Like they need them to stay broken up still but they don't want to mention why they broke up because then they would have to bring up the baby mama drama and everyone hated that. So we get these type of answers. 

Idk how Oliver and Felicity are on the same page and have everything on the table when Oliver is hoping they get back together and Felicity has a bf she didn't tell him about and is saying they don't have the type of relationship where she can talk to Oliver about her problems. So they're not even writting them as fully reconciled even as friends imo. 

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This this this this this. They can't be on the same page, be reconciled, have everything on the table. Felicity told Curtis last week that she can't talk to Oliver about her Havenrock issues because they don't have that kind of relationship anymore. What... FRIENDS? Because she's talking to Curtis about it and he's not a romantic interest, he's just a friend. SO if Felicity and Oliver were truly on the same page, she could tell him anything. But she doesn't feel she can. So I'm calling bs on that one. 

Also can they please stop asking Stephen questions? I'm really not digging his answers these days. 

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catrox14

catrox14

  On 10/26/2016 at 7:32 PM, HeroLeague said:

Is she though, I dont think BC is considered the best fighter in the DCU. 

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My comment was really more about why Oliver would declare her the best fighter he's ever seen when he's dealt with the likes of all that I listed and I'll throw in Shado,Yao-Fei, Deathstroke to boot.

Maybe Oliver said it just so he can get in her pants if he's being flirty.

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dtissagirl

dtissagirl

  On 10/26/2016 at 7:37 PM, tangerine95 said:

It really sounds like they have no idea how to talk about olicity. Like they need them to stay broken up still but they don't want to mention why they broke up because then they would have to bring up the baby mama drama and everyone hated that. So we get these type of answers.

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^^ This sounds about right.

It actually distracts me more that they're going so out of their way to noromo it up. Like, the boobs have to be completely oblivious to reality to not know O/F were engaged 8 months ago. And nobody thinks it's weird that they're working closely together every night? Evelyn, please do your teenage job and start asking invasive questions.

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CabotCove

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Probably varies a bit but, this list puts her at #14 out of the Top 15 Hand to Hand Fighters in DC Comics

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/comics/dc_comics/top-15-best-hand-to-hand-fighters-in-dc-a143079

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Thanks, interesting list. I expected Batman to take #1/2 but #4 is not bad.

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My comment was really more about why Oliver would declare her the best fighter he's ever seen when he's dealt with the likes of all that I listed and I'll throw in Shado,Yao-Fei, Deathstroke to boot.

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Noted.

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catrox14

catrox14

  On 10/26/2016 at 7:53 PM, dtissagirl said:

^^ This sounds about right.

It actually distracts me more that they're going so out of their way to noromo it up. Like, the boobs have to be completely oblivious to reality to not know O/F were engaged 8 months ago. And nobody thinks it's weird that they're working closely together every night? Evelyn, please do your teenage job and start asking invasive questions.

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I have a question. Do we know that Oliver and Felicity's engagement still happened since Barry fucked up the universe?  Or did I just not pay enough attention and it was verified that it still stands in the altered timeline

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  On 10/26/2016 at 8:03 PM, catrox14 said:

I have a question. Do we know that Oliver and Felicity's engagement still happened since Barry fucked up the universe?  Or did I just not pay enough attention and it was verified that it still stands in the altered timeline

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I'm pretty sure they showed the engagement and their break-up in the 'Previously on Arrow' summary before 501 began. So I think it still happened.

Other than that, we wouldn't know because they're acting like it didn't.

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