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It's crap whatever they do. If they have it affect the characters for only one episode, then we've yet again wasted an episode as a result of another show. If it affects the characters/story for more than that, we're wasting more of Arrow on events that happened on Flash. It's not fair, especially if you don't watch that show.

WTF Barry. Dude can't even run fast properly. 

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What if.. Barry screwing up time meant that Oliver was never a vigilante, but Laura still was the BC, she still tragically died, and her death inspired the newbies? It could be resolved by the end of the second episode. This would also explain Felicity's boyfriend. 

Maybe the things WM said apply from the third episode on. IDK.

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Yeah, I don't really know, just spouting ideas as they come to me :)

Re: the report, I'm...not pleased, actually. Leaving aside  her take or her justification of the BMD, because the whole premise was idiotic, Samantha's ultimatum was nonsense, they could've found ten thousands other "choices" for Oliver to make - I feared this would happen, but I thought they would prove me wrong. :/

Not really looking forward to that Craig dude gloating, but I guess we'll have to wait and see how this goes. It could be very limited.

Anyway, what do you mean about Shannen Doherty and Charmed?

ETA: I'm also kinda worried about this Diggle thing. Leave Diggle alone.

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Velocity23

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They couldnt even use photographs of Prue after her death

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To this day, fans note with disapproval that all photos of Prue vanished from the manor after her death — but it turns out there's a very good reason for that:

Explains Kern, “I tried like crazy to get her in flashbacks and to have photographs of her on the walls, but what I was told — and I've subsequently been told that this is not the case — by the studio that we would have to pay her per-episode fee, which we couldn't afford, if we were even just going to use a photo of her. That's what I was told."

http://tvline.com/gallery/charmed-anniversary-photos-biggest-moments-prue-death-phoebe-cole/#!13/charmed-season-4-photo/

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thegirlsleuth

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Wow, I am not looking forward to the return of Katie Cassidy AT ALL. If she's a) the Black Canary in another timeline, or b) the love interest in the past, or c) marching around in black leather in Central City, I feel like it will create a cognitive dissonance, like she's not really dead, especially if people feel like she can be pulled out of another timeline or that they can "reform" Black Siren and turn her into the Black Canary. I feel like they did something daring and they are backing out of it.  Was it at the behest of DC? I feel myself heading into a rant and will stop now. 

Regarding the rest of the interview,I got the sense that she was telling Marc what he wanted to hear on the Baby Mama drama, which ugh, why is anyone endorsing that storyline? I don't feel like leading questions are the best way to pull the truth out, and creates a situation in which she has to interpret his response.  Based on the dialogue tease, the big Olicity episode sounds like a miserable angst fest.

I should probably get off the internet and go to sleep.  Maybe tomorrow I won't be so pissed about this.

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Belinea

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33 minutes ago, thegirlsleuth said:

Wow, I am not looking forward to the return of Katie Cassidy AT ALL.

I don't understand why they have to have her on all 3 shows. Did her presence ever improve the show she was originally on? 

I'd be ok with Black Siren or her in an episode of LoT in alternate timeline. But who on earth needs her in flashbacks? 

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kes0704

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The best thing to come out of season 4 was FINALLY getting rid of Laurel Lance and now she's back.  Why, why, WHY!!!

My only hope now is that they keep her confined to The Flash or Legends of Tomorrow and far, far away from Arrow, so I don't have to watch her.  

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Lily-n11

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3 minutes ago, Velocity23 said:

They need to reveal what she said to Oliver.

They said this would happen in 501.

And after that is done I hope that they will finanlly put that character to rest.

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Morrigan2575

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I don't mind flashback appearances,  i always expected she'd get those just like Colin.  I'm skeptical on the WB aspect but, i honestly just don't trust the source.  I guess we'll see at the panel.

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Belinea

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I am also wondering why MG gave that spoiler away. Wouldn't that be better as a 'surprise' during the panel?

Also if the spoilers of O/F are true, maybe they will have Oliver finally trying to move on, maybe even with someone else. Meanwhile Felicity will see how he has changed and change her stance on the relationship. (Maybe not, just specualting)

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42 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

I don't mind flashback appearances,  i always expected she'd get those just like Colin.  I'm skeptical on the WB aspect but, i honestly just don't trust the source.  I guess we'll see at the panel.

I expected she'd get those, but I was hoping she wouldn't,  haha. What WB aspect? I already forgot what j wrote.

32 minutes ago, Belinea said:

Also if the spoilers of O/F are true, maybe they will have Oliver finally trying to move on, maybe even with someone else. Meanwhile Felicity will see how he has changed and change her stance on the relationship. (Maybe not, just specualting)

How did you get from what she wrote to this? Not trying to be snarky, honest question :)

2 hours ago, thegirlsleuth said:

Wow, I am not looking forward to the return of Katie Cassidy AT ALL. If she's a) the Black Canary in another timeline, or b) the love interest in the past, or c) marching around in black leather in Central City, I feel like it will create a cognitive dissonance, like she's not really dead, especially if people feel like she can be pulled out of another timeline or that they can "reform" Black Siren and turn her into the Black Canary. I feel like they did something daring and they are backing out of it.  Was it at the behest of DC? I feel myself heading into a rant and will stop now. 

Regarding the rest of the interview,I got the sense that she was telling Marc what he wanted to hear on the Baby Mama drama, which ugh, why is anyone endorsing that storyline? I don't feel like leading questions are the best way to pull the truth out, and creates a situation in which she has to interpret his response.  Based on the dialogue tease, the big Olicity episode sounds like a miserable angst fest.

This. You basically wrote my exact thoughts on that report. 

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tarotx

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I hope she's just in dreams and flashbacks. Sara really does need to deal with Laurel and Cold's death. And FB Oliver has to get to the place he was in the pilot and that includes his thinking about Laurel. And Lance too needs to mourn. 

Also is that Olicity dialogue tease from episide 5, or something earlier that will come into play episode 5? Imo it fits with what is happening the first 2 episodes. Maybe it's in the teaser and that is why MG felt comfortable sharing it?

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I don't trust Jbuffyangel with O/F spoilers. She's the one who thought Oliver was going to marry Felicity in s3 when really he married Nyssa. LMAO. Remember the wedding theory train? Naw, son. Not here for interpretations. IMO, MG was telling her everything she wanted to hear with all his "Yes" answers. I'll wait until the panel/journalist Q&A's for anything solid.

As for KC/LL news, meh. Had a feeling that would happen. This show is nothing if not predictable.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Belinea

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16 minutes ago, looptab said:

How did you get from what she wrote to this? Not trying to be snarky, honest question :)

Well, I just assumed that if they can't go back they have to change the status quo and since Arrow likes to use its tropes that could be one of them. As I was saying, it was just speculating. But if it helps, I am not the best person when it comes to speculating :-)

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Chaser

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I don't like it. It opens the door to more episodes like 4x19. I don't want her recon'd ghost floating around.

Im hoping it's wrong. It is a big thing to spoil.

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Morrigan2575

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26 minutes ago, looptab said:

I expected she'd get those, but I was hoping she wouldn't,  haha. What WB aspect? I already forgot what j wrote.

Jbuffyangel implied or stated that KC got a similar deal to Wentworth and Barrowman. They are signed to WB Series Regular contracts which, if I understand correctly, allows them to be used for X number of episodes  (we don't have a count) across all 3 shows.  I suspect this also means they don't have to decide up front how many episodes per show.

I believe she's going to make guest star appearances,  i always expected to see her in a flashback, they did it with Colin and wanted to do it with Susanna  (she's refused) so i expected it with KC as well.  After they didn't kill her off on Flash, I figured she'd be back as BS and, I knew they'd have to deal with Sara/Laurel since they didn't really do it on LoT.

So, i figured 1 episode per show, this implies a bit more. 

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looptab

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Oh, right. And why are you skeptical about it?

Anyway, we were enjoying an uncharacteristically good mood lately. So thanks for bringing us back to Earth, jbuffyangel!

11 minutes ago, Belinea said:

Well, I just assumed that if they can't go back they have to change the status quo and since Arrow likes to use its tropes that could be one of them. As I was saying, it was just speculating. But if it helps, I am not the best person when it comes to speculating :-)

Oh, okay. I was just honestly curious what made you think that, because I went some place else entirely. :)

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Morrigan2575

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9 minutes ago, looptab said:

Oh, right. And why are you skeptical about it?

For one,  i don't trust the source, she has a history of embellishing stuff and coming up with very fanciful speculation that is usually wrong

Two, i don't think MG would have dropped something they were keeping for the panel on a no name person. Something like that would have been given to TV Line or TV Guide which are the CW's closest PR relationships.

I always expected she'd have a guest appearance or 2 in Arrow and LoT but JBuffyangel implied more than that and, that's what I'm skeptical about.  

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Chaser

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It occurs me they aren't letting anyone go. WM, JB, KC. I wonder if they are getting discounts this way. 

Is KC really living up in Vancouver for this deal? 

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Belinea

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29 minutes ago, Chaser said:

I checked KCs SM. She was on a flight. Please don't show up at SDCC. 

Since I have never been to a con...who do people at cons embrace the most? SA, DR..?.Does KC get a lot of love? Because if she gets a ton of positive fan response, I understand why she'd want to be part of those things.

 

16 minutes ago, Chaser said:

Is KC really living up in Vancouver for this deal? 

I thought she owns a place there and her boyfriend lives there.

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looptab

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2 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

For one,  i don't trust the source, she has a history of embellishing stuff and coming up with very fanciful speculation that is usually wrong

Two, i don't think MG would have dropped something they were keeping for the panel on a no name person. Something like that would have been given to TV Line or TV Guide which are the CW's closest PR relationships.

I always expected she'd have a guest appearance or 2 in Arrow and LoT but JBuffyangel implied more than that and, that's what I'm skeptical about.  

Got it :) Yeah, well, I'm with you about the source. As for the rest, not much to do right now but wait and see. :/

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tarotx

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JB and WM have GB superhero show deals. They have regular status to make sure they are available. I'm not exactly a fan of Katie having the same deal so I hope she's just guest status. Katie being around as black Siren makes Laureliver fans hope and I find Oliver hooking up with Laurel's doppelganger sickening :x  So I don't even want talk  >.<  I can deal with BS on Flash and even LOT but not anywhere Oliver might be.  And it's not because Olicity because I can take or leave that ship.

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Chaser

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2 minutes ago, Belinea said:

Since I have never been to a con...who do people at cons embrace the most? SA, DR..?.Does KC get a lot of love? Because if she gets a ton of positive fan response, I understand why she'd want to be part of does things.

 

I thought she owns a place there and her boyfriend lives there.

SDCC aren't like normal Cons. Its normally the regular cast who go, but Arrow has sent non regulars before. She could go as a Fan, but I doubt she would. 

I know she owns a place up there, but some (including me) found it odd she didn't head to LA for more career opportunities. 

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Morrigan2575

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3 minutes ago, looptab said:

Got it :) Yeah, well, I'm with you about the source. As for the rest, not much to do right now but wait and see. :/

The thing is there's so much we don't even know about the Wentworth/Barrowman deals. People hear "WB Series Regular" and think OMG that's huge they're going to be in several episodes per show. 

However,  we don't have details,  i have no idea how many episodes Wentworth or Barrowman will actually appear, in total or per show. What i do know (or have been told) is that CW keeps costs low by paying their series regulars less per episode but giving them risiduals so they make up money on the back end (part of the profits from 3rd party viewing, etc). I also know (been told) that CW has specific Guest Star rates and depending on what class the actor falls into they can in fact get paid more (per episode) as a Guest Star than a regular. 

I have no doubt that Wentworth/Barrowman was a deal to keep costs low. They lock them into a regular contract which means less money upfront then they would need to pay for each Guest Star appearance. 

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I thought KC was living CL? That's what she mentioned at some Con, although I never heard CL mention anything about that. 

Anyway, I figured Laurel would show up if they were going to do any flashbacks or Sara going into her own past on LoT. But I don't like the idea of her having the same deal as JB and Wentworth. These writers are really afraid of let people go. JB should've been gone 2 season ago and would've made a better villain as a looming threat that shows up after disappearing for 2 or 3 years.

I hope this is not their plan for Black Canary. BS becoming Because Comics just seems kind of dumb. They couldn't write for Laurel when she was alive and finally got rid of her. Now they want to bring her back so they can write for her terribly again? 

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dtissagirl

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I'm not sure KC owns that place she lives [lived?] with Danielle Panabaker, because the WB has leased apartments in that exact same building for actors of their shows in previous years. I just assumed the WB put her there as well.

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Ophanim

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Not happy also about this KC deal. I was sure we are done with this character, and I was mildly interested in season 5, as I stopped watching in the middle of season 4, because of pure apathy for stories, lack of time for failed shows and discovery of new more interesting shows. SO now I watching/searching spoilers to see is there any news of interesting storylines...  so far looking no good. Btw long time lurker :) thank you all  for interesting posts. I enjoy reading after every episodes what this forum offers.

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tv echo

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I have a feeling that KC is going to make a surprise appearance during the Arrow panel at SDCC when they make the "big" announcement about her appearing on all three shows.

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1 minute ago, tv echo said:

I have a feeling that KC is going to make a surprise appearance during the Arrow panel at SDCC when they make the "big" announcement about her appearing on all three shows.

That's what I'm afraid those 'great actor' tweets will come down to.

I do not get the Flashpoint thing in the least. However, if I were writing it, I'd probably have Dig end up as Andy did, the drug pusher, just to throw things completely off.

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As for the photo of Bamford with two newbies, I think this may have something to do with Bratva in the present. They were setting up some location shoots yesterday and I remember signs in cyrilics. I doubt that it's a flashback because one of the guys is the cop in present day.

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16 minutes ago, bijoux said:

That's what I'm afraid those 'great actor' tweets will come down to.

I do not get the Flashpoint thing in the least. However, if I were writing it, I'd probably have Dig end up as Andy did, the drug pusher, just to throw things completely off.

Funny i just assumed that BFS comments were aboutthe casting info just posted in Spoiler Only Thread 

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I don't think KC is the 'great actor' they mentioned.

I'm not ruling out KC crashing the panel at all. The timing is to suspect. I hate that thought so much. SDCC is about launching and prepping the new season. A new season that does not include Laurel. If she pops up, that is just going to set the fandom off again. I'm sick of it. I did not what to be talking about how KC is going to be appearing on the show. Grrrrr. I had to rant a bit.

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18 minutes ago, bijoux said:

As for the photo of Bamford with two newbies, I think this may have something to do with Bratva in the present. They were setting up some location shoots yesterday and I remember signs in cyrilics. I doubt that it's a flashback because one of the guys is the cop in present day.

One of the guys in that photo was Tyler Ritter, isn't he playing the cop?

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