apinknightmare February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 (edited) Quote If she's really just trying to get a story what's the point if she doesn't do an expose because feelings. If her story is what makes the cops go after Oliver, then I guess that's her point. Although if she knows Oliver is or could be the Green Arrow and still publishes it then...feelings didn't stop her from doing a damn thing. Edited February 9, 2017 by apinknightmare Link to comment
Morrigan2575 February 9, 2017 Author Share February 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, apinknightmare said: If her story is what makes the cops go after Oliver, then I guess that's her point. Although if she knows Oliver is or could be the Green Arrow and still publishes it then...feelings didn't stop her from doing a damn thing. Which is where I'm all confused there's a gap between showing and telling. Unless the answer is she writes the story but doesn't give it to her editor because feelings? The editor takes it off her hard drive or something? My real question is 15-16? IF her GA/Malone story is what sends the cops after GA AND Team Arrow finds out she Knows/suspects Oliver is GA then I just have no clue why she's still around for 2 episodes post reveal. Link to comment
insomniadreams88 February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said: My real question is 15-16? IF her GA/Malone story is what sends the cops after GA AND Team Arrow finds out she Knows/suspects Oliver is GA then I just have no clue why she's still around for 2 episodes post reveal. Maybe Oliver forgives her because, you know, "feelings" and stupidity. But then he'll pull a "it's too dangerous for us to be together" because, again, "feelings." Honestly? I don't even care. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if we find out she's in episodes beyond 16 because it's not like the writers are making smart decisions this year. 1 Link to comment
Chaser February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 (edited) She is going to give him a sob a story and he is going to think if he was just honest with her she never would have said anything. Smh I can only think the worst of this storyline. It's so bad. Serious question, what is left for Diggle after this episode? I feel like they wrapped it up and based on DRs interviews, it looks like Diggle is just support for newbies. Edited February 9, 2017 by Chaser 3 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 February 9, 2017 Author Share February 9, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said: Maybe Oliver forgives her because, you know, "feelings" and stupidity. But then he'll pull a "it's too dangerous for us to be together" because, again, "feelings." Honestly? I don't even care. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if we find out she's in episodes beyond 16 because it's not like the writers are making smart decisions this year. I don't care about her relationship with Oliver because its not about them as a couple. Oliver/Susan and Felicity/Billy has been about plot and maybe Character motivation (at least in Felicity's case). I need to know what her plot purpose is. Billy's entire purpose was to die and set up Felicity's dark arc. What is Susan's purpose IF our suspicions for 14 are true? Is it to push Oliver to come out of the GA closet? Is it to remove Oliver from Mayor duty since the show seeks bored with it already? There's a plot reason for her existence and that's what I'm trying to figure out. Edited February 9, 2017 by Morrigan2575 8 Link to comment
apinknightmare February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 Also - why are they calling Dinah "Backstop" in the field? I mean the show gave away that they were looking for a new canary so it's not like that reveal is gonna be a surprise. Are they just incorporating everything right away EXCEPT the name for whatever idiot reason? Are they going to have a naming ceremony for her? Will someone crack a bottle of champagne over her ass when she puts on the costume for the first time? Makes no sense. 5 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 February 9, 2017 Author Share February 9, 2017 (edited) They're probably waiting to put her in the suit before calling her BC. You know they're just waiting to make a big deal out of the Epic BC reveal... No seriously, she is THE BC. We mean it this time! Edited February 9, 2017 by Morrigan2575 2 Link to comment
insomniadreams88 February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Morrigan2575 said: I don't care about her relationship with Oliver because its not about them as a couple. Oliver/Susan and Felicity/Billy has been about plot and maybe Character motivation (at least in Felicity's case). I need to know what her plot purpose is. Billy's entire purpose was to die and set up Felicity's dark arc. What is Susan's purpose IF our suspicions for 14 are true? Is it to push Oliver to come out of the GA closet? Is it to remove Oliver from Mayor duty since the show seeks bored with it already? There's a plot reason for her existence and that's what I'm trying to figure out. I think Billy's purpose was for Oliver to be tricked into killing him. I'm not seeing anything from Felicity's arc that couldn't have happened if she hadn't been dating Billy. If Billy hadn't died, are we to believe that maybe she would have just used Pandora to free Diggle from prison? I don't see why that would be the case. As for Susan, I don't even care what her purpose is at this point. I don't think Oliver's going to make an "I am the Green Arrow" announcement this season because I don't think the writers could do that storyline justice for at least an entire season. It seems more like something that would happen in the series finale (or one of the episodes leading up to the series finale). 2 Link to comment
Chaser February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 I'm betting mask = name. 5x14. Thats going to be a fun conversation. 1 Link to comment
Sunshine February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 I guess she has to prove herself worthy of St Laurel's name first? 1 Link to comment
Midnight Lullaby February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 It could work if she was connected to Talia and the mark that she had on the arm had a meaning and it wasn't a make up failure. There would still be something to tell about her. Or it doesn't get out that the GA killed Malone thanks to her article. Or Oliver thinks she doesn't suspect he is the GA and the team doesn't tell him what they found out about her at first. But I don't know how long they can keep him in the dark. Link to comment
Chaser February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 1 minute ago, insomniadreams88 said: I think Billy's purpose was for Oliver to be tricked into killing him. I'm not seeing anything from Felicity's arc that couldn't have happened if she hadn't been dating Billy. If Billy hadn't died, are we to believe that maybe she would have just used Pandora to free Diggle from prison? I don't see why that would be the case. As for Susan, I don't even care what her purpose is at this point. I don't think Oliver's going to make an "I am the Green Arrow" announcement this season because I don't think the writers could do that storyline justice for at least an entire season. It seems more like something that would happen in the series finale (or one of the episodes leading up to the series finale). Felicity's arc could have been written without Billy, but the show chose to use Billy that way. Based on the EPs interviews, that was his purpose. 2 Link to comment
apinknightmare February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said: Which is where I'm all confused there's a gap between showing and telling. Unless the answer is she writes the story but doesn't give it to her editor because feelings? The editor takes it off her hard drive or something? If her story is what tips off the cops then she'd have to publish it, wouldn't she? Unless she just goes digging and talks to the wrong people at the SCPD who put 2+2 together? The only problem is that Chase is the only one who knows that the Green Arrow killed Billy, and he said he destroyed the evidence. Unless I guess maybe he didn't and in some weird rage-filled episode he gives that evidence to Susan for her report? Or maybe Prometheus had a recording and he gives it to her. In which case she still publishes it with malice knowing that Oliver either is or could be the Green Arrow. And in that case...regardless of what Oliver thinks when he finds out she's been investigating him, why on earth would she want to stay with a guy who murdered a cop? I guess maybe she could plan on reporting it and have all of her information collected and then it could get released anyway, but that doesn't make much sense because the only person who would release it is Prometheus, and he already knows that Oliver killed Billy - there's no need to bring the reporter into it and then release something without her knowledge. None of this is making a whole lot of sense, so...it's just a wait and see, I guess. Edited February 9, 2017 by apinknightmare Link to comment
Velocity23 February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 What if it happen while Chase is in the hospital. And he couldn't stop whatever was happening. Didnt the spoiler said Chase spends 5x13 in the hospital probably due to the shooting. Link to comment
Morrigan2575 February 9, 2017 Author Share February 9, 2017 Quote None of this is making a whole lot of sense, so...it's just a wait and see, I guess. Hopefully it starts making sense by 15 because I'm not going to be happy if I have these same stupid WTF?! is her purpose questions during a 3 week post Sweeps break ? 3 Link to comment
insomniadreams88 February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 So I went back to read the original casting news for Susan: Quote The CW has revealed to TV Insider that Carly Pope will be taking on the recurring role of Susan Williams, a journalist from nearby Coast City who comes to Star City “looking to make a name for herself” by targeting Oliver Queen (Stephen Amell) for a big story. I know that things change - just look at "Tina's" casting news - but was it ever mentioned that she came from Coast City? Didn't she act like Star City was "her" city (and in a way that didn't imply that it's just because she lives there now) in the 505 convo with HT Oliver? Or am I remembering wrong? Link to comment
apinknightmare February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 Quote Didn't she act like Star City was "her" city (and in a way that didn't imply that it's just because she lives there now) in the 505 convo with HT Oliver? Or am I remembering wrong? No, you're right. That was the reason why she decided to give him a 30-day expose reprieve - because he told her he wanted to do some good for the city. Link to comment
Chaser February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 If that was genuine, all bets should be off the moment she found out he could be a cop killing vigilante. Link to comment
Bort February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 11 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said: Why was all of the during show comments moved out of the spec thread? The comments posted AFTER the show aired were moved. And I'm moving some more, because a lot of commentary is about the episode that aired and not spoiler discussion. ETA: I decided to leave things as-is for now, but make sure what you are discussing here is relevant to spoiler speculation. If it is about an aired episode, it needs to go in its thread. Link to comment
Chaser February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, apinknightmare said: No, you're right. That was the reason why she decided to give him a 30-day expose reprieve - because he told her he wanted to do some good for the city. I wonder if that reprieve was to investigate him without his knowledge. 1 Link to comment
dtissagirl February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 19 minutes ago, kariyaki said: The comments posted AFTER the show aired were moved. And I'm moving some more, because a lot of commentary is about the episode that aired and not spoiler discussion. This post that I imagine was moved -- it has spoilers for episode 14, so it shouldn't be in the episode thread: Also, maybe we could get a definite ruling about live-posting the episodes? We always did it here in the spoiler thread, the only rule was that the comments couldn't be vague. Should live-posting be done in the episode thread from now on? 3 Link to comment
Chaser February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 I like the idea of live posting being in the episode thread as opposed to the spoiler thread. 3 Link to comment
Chaser February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 I can't watch Arrow go After School Special. Think I'm skipping next week. 2 Link to comment
Bort February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 Thank you for pointing out that spoiler post, @dtissagirl. I moved it back into here. As for the live posting issue, it's actually being discussed. We should have a decision about it by next week's episode. 3 Link to comment
apinknightmare February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 I want to watch it just because it seems like they're tying Wild Dog's tragic past to gun violence and I want to see how they do that considering he's a present-day Shootout McGee. 5 Link to comment
lemotomato February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 (edited) I thought SA's comment about ep 13 being a "very special episode" was sarcastic until I found out MG wrote it. It's definitely going to be heavy with social commentary. I guess it's too much to expect that Felicity would get any attention in an episode about gun violence? Since she's the one that was actually shot and paralyzed last season, not that the show even remembers that. Edited February 9, 2017 by lemotomato 6 Link to comment
finnaire February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 11 hours ago, Cleanqueen said: I truly believe he knows what she's up to. She double crossed his sister, then brought up Russia around him, then noticed how she was basically extra clingy around him, desperate to date him. He then visits her apartment and she serves him russian vodka and basically keeps bringing up the fact that they haven't slept together. And when they do sleep together she wants to talk about his scars and his time on the island. I am going to lean with Stephen basically giving us a hint that perhaps he isnt being played here but that he's the one doing the playing. Man, I want this to be so. It would help offset the frustration I currently have towards Oliver's stupidity if I knew there was a payoff for it. Just a hint would be nice. I get that they love their gotcha moments but show me some gears cranking in that head. 1 Link to comment
insomniadreams88 February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 But if Oliver is playing Susan, how far is he going to go with this? What's his plan? How long is he going to keep dating her before he reveals he knows what she's up to? If he's planning to wait until she tips her hand a bit, what if she decides to wait until she has everything? Is he okay if it takes months/a year/etc.? 6 Link to comment
tv echo February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 (edited) 411mania's review of 512 described Oliver as a "sin-eater", which is the episode title for 514. Hmm... Quote This may seem like more of Arrow as a hollow morality play – my least favorite Arrow – but it fits the structure I laid out above. Oliver’s conscious decision to compromise his own ethics, so that his partners don’t do the same, is a logical solution to the time sensitive problem of General Walker. But it’s also a direct rebuke to Prometheus’ main thesis – that Oliver makes everyone around him worse. This is Oliver realizing that he has the power to change that, mainly by operating as a sin-eater for his entire team in all their endeavors. The Past – sorry, THE PAST doesn’t have to be Oliver’s anchor, he realizes, but it does inform who he is in the present. Or, basically, what’s one more misdeed done for the greater good? Edited February 9, 2017 by tv echo 2 Link to comment
Trisha February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said: I don't care about her relationship with Oliver because its not about them as a couple. Oliver/Susan and Felicity/Billy has been about plot and maybe Character motivation (at least in Felicity's case). I need to know what her plot purpose is. Billy's entire purpose was to die and set up Felicity's dark arc. What is Susan's purpose IF our suspicions for 14 are true? Is it to push Oliver to come out of the GA closet? Is it to remove Oliver from Mayor duty since the show seeks bored with it already? There's a plot reason for her existence and that's what I'm trying to figure out. I can't figure out which outcome I'd prefer because they're all going to make Oliver look terrible. Either she: sets out to betray/expose him (either with Talia or Prometheus' help, or on her own) and succeeds -- making Oliver look like an idiot sets out to betray/expose him but has second thoughts and doesn't -- which still makes Oliver look like an idiot is planning on betraying/exposing him but Oliver has been playing her this whole time and somehow stops her before she can hurt him too much -- which makes him look a bit less like an idiot (but still not great because he's kept this plan from his team. Also, he's sleeping with her now so that adds a gross layer of grossness) I'm leaning towards the third option because I just can't see the point of her character if it's option two, and I'd be surprised if it's option one and his secret identity is totally burned. That said, they do keep talking about how the end of season 5 closes a chapter, so maybe? 4 Link to comment
ComicFan777 February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 I think Oliver will look like an idiot either way...I want a Felicity/Thea team up to take Susan down. 15 Link to comment
Belinea February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 (edited) Honest question: Does anyone, and I mean anyone, care about that Susan storyline? I have the feeling that nobody needs or wants this storyline and at the moment, there is no indication why it is there other than keeping Oliver from going out as GA so that Tinah can become a permanent team member/leader and that he might no see what Felicity is up to. Also, if Oliver doesn't know Susan's agenda, he is just the dumbest person ever (regardless of whether or not SA considers words like those to be harsh) or he knows it and it is so gross that he'd then sex her up before exposing her. 5x13 promo pics have Diggle and Tinah bonding. So the spoilers about her bonding with every member of the team seem accurate. As far as I can tell Thea is back in the office and Felicity is completely mia from promotion. Everyone else gets a pic. Tinah gets a close-up in a leather jacket. Edited February 9, 2017 by Belinea 3 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 February 9, 2017 Author Share February 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Belinea said: Honest question: Does anyone, and I mean anyone, care about that Susan storyline? Define care. 1 Link to comment
Belinea February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said: Define care. Like I actually want to feel an emotion to what is going on other than 'get it over with'. Maybe I am watching tv wrong, that might be it. Edited February 9, 2017 by Belinea 4 Link to comment
LeighAn February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 I'm predicting that next episode might set up some Tinah and Felicity having bonding issues as a precursor for 5x14 when Oliver is forced out of the suit Tinah and Felicity have to work together to take down the Dark Bitds of Prey and become friends from working together and ends with Felicity giving Tinah her costume identity. Based on nothing just spitballing. I would kind of like if the show acknowledged at face value Tinah and Felicity are different personalities and probably wouldn't be natural friends but then see them work their way to being friends. 7 Link to comment
Cleanqueen February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 I think the whole point might be what motivates Oliver in to coming out as the Green Arrow to the people of Star City. Whether they accept him or not is the question, It certainly sets up an interesting storyline for season 6. 1 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 February 9, 2017 Author Share February 9, 2017 Just now, Belinea said: Like I actually want to feel an emotion to what is going on other than 'get it over with'. Maybe I am watching tv wrong, that might be it. I care about the story because I want to understand the purpose. That might not be caring or enough for you but, I'm sure there are fans (like me) who 'care' about Oliver/Susan and what it means to the plot and the Character motivation 1 Link to comment
Belinea February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Cleanqueen said: I think the whole point might be what motivates Oliver in to coming out as the Green Arrow to the people of Star City. Can he even come out to the people? I mean whether or not he did a good deed, he still killed tons of people. Most recently, the guys in the helicopter. They'd have to arrest him for that. Edited February 9, 2017 by Belinea 4 Link to comment
apinknightmare February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Belinea said: I mean whether or not he did a good deed, he still killed tons of people. Most recently, the guys in the helicopter. They'd have to arrest him for that. What happens in Hub City stays in Hub City! 4 Link to comment
Cleanqueen February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, Belinea said: Can he even come out to the people? I mean whether or not he did a good deed, he still killed tons of people. Most recently, the guys in the helicopter. They'd have to arrest him for that. I mean they'd have to weigh the Pros and cons of having him in the city...is he a savior or a killer. Link to comment
insomniadreams88 February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 But if he announces he's the GA and even if for some reason, the public and all law enforcement is willing to look the other way even though he's murdered people, would the same be true for everyone else who works with him? What if some agency takes offense upon realizing who hacked them and goes after Felicity? Someone argues that GA using his bow and arrow is okay, but it's not okay for Diggle and WD to be out there with guns or something? I think it would be very difficult for Oliver to announce he's GA and for everyone else's identities to remain secret after that. It's very, very tricky and risky. 9 Link to comment
way2interested February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, LeighAn said: I'm predicting that next episode might set up some Tinah and Felicity having bonding issues as a precursor for 5x14 when Oliver is forced out of the suit Tinah and Felicity have to work together to take down the Dark Bitds of Prey and become friends from working together and ends with Felicity giving Tinah her costume identity. Based on nothing just spitballing. I would kind of like if the show acknowledged at face value Tinah and Felicity are different personalities and probably wouldn't be natural friends but then see them work their way to being friends. Since it looks like Felicity isn't on the "Tinah is awesome" train yet from 512, I feel like this might happen. If anything, I am feeling pretty confident that Tinah's probably going to be key to beating the girl group. Felicity acknowledging something like they need Tinah and that she's going to trust her (just noticed, Tinah hasn't been to the Bunker as of yet, so maybe they are playing it at least slightly on their toes with her) even though she's new could be a part of that. 3 Link to comment
apinknightmare February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, Cleanqueen said: I mean they'd have to weigh the Pros and cons of having him in the city...is he a savior or a killer. OMG will we have to go through this again next season? 11 Link to comment
Cleanqueen February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, apinknightmare said: OMG will we have to go through this again next season? Maybe he leaves star city for good LOL. I want him to find a new city to save, they don't appreciate him anyway. 1 Link to comment
insomniadreams88 February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 1 minute ago, apinknightmare said: OMG will we have to go through this again next season? I think we're going to have to go through that every season until the show ends. 4 Link to comment
calliope1975 February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 1 minute ago, apinknightmare said: OMG will we have to go through this again next season? Stahp!! Seriously, if this show is just going to be a continuous retread of S1-4, it's best I bail while I still have a smidge of sanity left. 1 Link to comment
Velocity23 February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 (edited) I see 5x13 is the start of Tinah and Diggle becoming close. Edited February 9, 2017 by Velocity23 Link to comment
Chaser February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 DR mentioned helping Tinah settle in. Are they giving her an apartment set? Link to comment
Cleanqueen February 9, 2017 Share February 9, 2017 So she's setting up shop where Diggle was living when he was a fugitive. Dammit, I thought she was gonna live with Felicity back at the loft lol 1 Link to comment
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