Nashville Spoilers and Speculation

[Evie]

I wasn't thinking they wrote it with the knowledge that she had PPD, I was just wondering how many episodes in they were before she told them she had it. It could not mean anything if she assured them she was fine and could handle acting out the rest of the story.

As far as the cover-up? My guess would be have Avery have a sudden change of heart/understanding/sympathy towards his wife while she's in an exclusive rehab. Maybe even communicate with her through letters or talk to her therapist. That would buy time to get into 4b at least.

Yeah, they could have Juliette complete rehab offscreen. I'd guess the plan was probably to have Avery be wary of letting Juliette back into Cadence's life since they are apparently turning her into an addict and god knows what on top of everything else, and that would make sense, but with this development, I'd scrap that and fill in with Avery talking to a therapist and or/going to a support group or something.

[dcubed]

I think it's possible that they came up with this plot and that Hayden, while acting these scenes thought, "Holy crap, I feel these same things" and realized that what she was feeling wasn't normal or healthy. Call me an optimist but maybe the storyline opened Hayden's eyes to her own PPD and helped her get the help she needs.

[Irlandesa]

I'm not as generous as you are dcubed.  She was talking about it on Kelly and Michael which aired a few weeks ago but was filmed a long time ago and held to air in September.  So she recognized she had it before she filmed the bulk of this season.  I'm not an actress so I don't know for sure but I imagine it'd be hard to film such dark scenes while struggling to handle PPD.

 

I can't imagine what they'll do to cover it up.

They may not have to scrap much.  They can rewrite some of the stuff where Juliette goes to rehab takes place off camera or is discussed by different characters.  Or they just try to film her stuff later.  

[madam magpie]

http://abc.go.com/shows/nashville/video/pl55199661/VDKA0_dpay2l3r

Daaaaayum. Way to go, Scarlett!!

[Sutton]

OMG that was the best scene between Deacon and Scarlett since the time she yelled at him that she was the only one that knew about his llness besides the doctor. When she gets mad at him she really lets him have it but telling him he's selfish maybe that will finally register just how selfish he really has been. Notice he didn't disagree but then that was a short sneak peek. Chip's facial expressions are the best watchng him as Scarlett is yelling at him it looks like to me that that so call light bulb has finally lite up. Can't wait for next Wednesday's episode hope I'm not going to be disappointed. Series can we have some happiness soon this constant drama is getting old. Bring back some of the comedy and batering between the characters we need some happiness SOON.  

[TWP]

Oh, please Scarlett, just don't drive him to drink.   But of course, she will.

 

A little bit of compassion is needed on both sides.  In RL, you wait a bit and try and get people to come to terms before you pull the plug.  A little dose of that reality would have helped here.  Of course, then we couldn't have manufactured angst.

 

Why do my ABC show characters want to self-immolate right now...sigh.  The misery has got to end.

[slasherboy]

Anybody know who Wade is?  Casting call for his wife and kids.  I don't remember anybody named Wade.

[Rose]

Wade is the big hat singer who did not recently sign with Highway 65, then was pictured with Luke.

[thaliasghost]

Oh no. Can't they stop bringing in new characters that nobody is interested in...

[Kathemy]

Series can we have some happiness soon this constant drama is getting old. Bring back some of the comedy and batering between the characters we need some happiness SOON.  

Sorry, they need to have Juliette get Jeff killed first.

[Wilco]

Not sure if it's posted somewhere earlier or elsewhere (but don't see it), so sorry if this is repeat info. But it looks like the character of Avery won't be in episode 6, titled "Stop the World and Let Me Off"- directed by Callie Khouri, and that yet again the character of Beverly will be appearing (Dana Wheeler Nicholson) in that episode-- at least according to IMDB. Not sure how accurate that site is though- so welcome commments from others. I'll be bummed if Avery isn't in that show, since he's one of my favorities, but maybe/hopefully they send him off to get a haircut.

 

As to the winter finale, episode 10, Deb Fordham is the writer and it's titled "We've Got Nothing but Love to Prove". According to Ms Fordham's twitter page (clearly I really need to get other hobbies ILO reading about Nashville lately), it starts fliming 10/27 and airs 12/9. After that, as most of us know, there will be a long winter break, possibly until March.

 

Will post other details in Nashville in the media- but looks like HP is projected to be gone to rehab for about a month.

[thaliasghost]

Not sure if it's posted somewhere earlier or elsewhere (but don't see it), so sorry if this is repeat info. But it looks like the character of Avery won't be in episode 6, titled "Stop the World and Let Me Off"- directed by Callie Khouri, and that yet again the character of Beverly will be appearing (Dana Wheeler Nicholson) in that episode-- at least according to IMDB. Not sure how accurate that site is though- so welcome commments from others. I'll be bummed if Avery isn't in that show, since he's one of my favorities, but maybe/hopefully they send him off to get a haircut.

 

As to the winter finale, episode 10, Deb Fordham is the writer and it's titled "We've Got Nothing but Love to Prove". According to Ms Fordham's twitter page (clearly I really need to get other hobbies ILO reading about Nashville lately), it starts fliming 10/27 and airs 12/9. After that, as most of us know, there will be a long winter break, possibly until March.

 

Will post other details in Nashville in the media- but looks like HP is projected to be gone to rehab for about a month.

Unfortunately, not accurate at all respectively, I think, they are holding that information back on purpose. For example, Aubrey Peebles wasn't in episode three but was still listed in the credits. Most often, the info is only listeed on imdb after the episode has been broadcast. I tried to look up what characters were going to be in what episode the same way and it turned out it was only added afterwards. The only thing I know is they added right away that "Lindsay" was going to be present for multiple episodes and "Patrick" was only ever listed for one.

 

Yes, they are apparently trying a new winter break model that will be a lot longer than usual. They were in talks for this before the situation with Hayden Pannettiere became public so it has nothing to do with her. Still, I'm curious about what that means for the show.

 

There are interesting ways shows are changed. Nashville would be a different show if they didn't have to work with Pannetiere's pregnancy. The X Files would have never added the mythology arch and Scully would have never been kidnapped by Aliens if Gillian Anderson hadn't been pregnant. Grey's Anatomy lost quite a lot characters to a sudden death because actors and showrunner didn't see eye to eye and that one year when the writers went on strike...

[Wilco]

Thanks much for the follow up. I too will be curious how they manage the show and plot going forward. Wonder if any positive or negative feedback from critics/fans has ever changed the producers' minds for this show? For me, for example, I don't find the character of Luke all that appealing (nor the actor), and it seems like a lot of fans don't care for him, but I guess the PTB love him/see something in him and so he continues to get his own storyline. So guess they just liked him so much that they kept him around post-Rayna. I do hope that the miserable character of Lindsay is out of there sooner rather than later.

[CofCinci]

Wade gets a family?  Ugh.  

[airwair]

Avery is in episode 6.

And the whole "kill someone in a drugged stupor and don't remember it" is the Sid Vicious incident I was eluding to.

[thaliasghost]

Thanks much for the follow up. I too will be curious how they manage the show and plot going forward. Wonder if any positive or negative feedback from critics/fans has ever changed the producers' minds for this show? For me, for example, I don't find the character of Luke all that appealing (nor the actor), and it seems like a lot of fans don't care for him, but I guess the PTB love him/see something in him and so he continues to get his own storyline. So guess they just liked him so much that they kept him around post-Rayna. I do hope that the miserable character of Lindsay is out of there sooner rather than later.

I wonder about this too. They seem to stick with certain characters that are despised by a majority of the viewers because the writers/producers are enamored with the actors. This was definitely the case with Alexa PenaVega and there are many who were just supposed to be in a couple of episodes who now have turned into regulars (like Luke). It must have something to do with filming in Nashville and building a tight knit community for the better part of the year. If they click with someone. I'm not sure they would have brought Zoey back for one episode if Chaley Rose wasn't purely coincidentally Sam Palladio's girlfriend and hanging around in Nashville anyway.

[Kathemy]

Well, after seeing the last episode one can fully predict what will happen with Jeff and Layla the next episode. PR Girl told Jeff to "not mix business and pleasure," and Jeff will take that to heart, but not by throwing Layla under the bus, but by dropping her as an artist, recommending a new manager (probably Glenn) and tell her he still wants to be together with her, which probably really is the right move anyway.

 

This completes the character's "rehabilitation" in the writers' mind because now he's proven that he's really just with her because he likes her and not as a way of controlling and manipulating her. Then at the end of the episode Juliette will attempt to commit suicide, Jeff will try to talk her down and it'll end with Juliette making him fall to his death.

 

It's very typical Nashville. You go through the entire drama storyline and then when it's resolved you refuse to give the audience even one second of payoff.

[slasherboy]

Unless I missed something, we have another character coming on board.  His name is Shep and I don't know anything else about him, just that they sent out a casting call for his body double.  They posted his picture but he's nothing to write home about.  Tall, skinny, long stringy hair, facial hair.  le sigh.....

[airwair]

This is the real reason people are getting killed off. We have to make space for new people.

[thaliasghost]

Where did we get the info that somebody is going to die?

[airwair]

Someone spoiled it on the Fanforum (don't have the link readily available) and the promo specifically says there's a fatal end.

We are led to believe in the promo that Juliette jumps off a ledge, but really someone else falls.

I'm speculating that the combo of Avery's demands alongside her being so messed up that she has no recollection of what happened on the roof is what drives her to rehab.

Edited October 23, 2015 by airwair

[thaliasghost]

Someone spoiled it on the Fanforum (don't have the link readily available) and the promo specifically says there's a fatal end.

We are led to believe in the promo that Juliette jumps off a ledge, but really someone else falls.

I'm speculating that the combo of Avery's demands alongside her being so messed up that she has no recollection of what happened on the roof is what drives her to rehab.

Thanks for the info. Does the person on the fanforum have production info that somebody is really going to be killed off?

I took the fatal end thing as one of all the other empty pr moves to generate attention.

 

Unfortunately, Jeff does seem like the most likely character because Oliver Hudson sure would like off the show to take advantage of Scream Queens Telepath makes a very convincing argument. Poor, poor Layla. I'm fed up with sad Layla always getting the short end of the stick. I want happy and successful Layla. I also don't want her album to consist entirely of sad songs about men she loves. Or an album of odes to a dead Jeff.

 

How about Lindsay? That would solve a problem nicely.

[shron17]

Poor, poor Layla. I'm fed up with sad Layla always getting the short end of the stick. I want happy and successful Layla.

 

 

I do too.  But if this does happen it could turn out to be best for her career and her love life.  It was pretty obvious that even though she loves Jeff she knows he's not particularly worthy of it.

[thaliasghost]

I do too.  But if this does happen it could turn out to be best for her career and her love life.  It was pretty obvious that even though she loves Jeff she knows he's not particularly worthy of it.

I thought her last song was breathtakingly beautiful. But I also had to laugh about it how it is supposed to be about Jeff. The passion didn't quite fit the person. It would be really sadtif her initial growth as an artist and a person and the cause for her moderate success in changing her career round was due to the painful story with Will only to be repeated by becoming a success by getting over musically both the abuse from and the death of Jeff.

[slasherboy]

Jeff will try to talk her down and it'll end with Juliette making him fall to his death.

You may be correct, but I will say there have been no casting calls for mourners or a minister.  There has been a call for an IRS agent, for what it's worth.

[thaliasghost]

You may be correct, but I will say there have been no casting calls for mourners or a minister.  There has been a call for an IRS agent, for what it's worth.

To be fair, nobody except Layla would mourn or attend the funeral ;)

[thaliasghost]

Press release for episode 4.07 is out.

 

http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/10/nashville-episode-407-cant-get-used-to.html

 

I don't understand the shows obsession with introducing new characters nobody wants. Then again, they are taking away characters after introducing and developing them that people wanted to keep.

 

 

- Deacon had a sponsor they just axed from the show for no good reason. Why are they introducing a new one. Once upon a time, Deacon used to be a musician and songwriter, why does he have to go and open up a bar?

 

- Luke was one of those characters that I thought would disappear soon. Instead he became one of the main characters whom now gets his very own storylines to worry about instead of being a vehicle for the storylines of the other characters. However, I do like them keeping a net of characters interacting with each other. But...once upon a time Colt had a sister they seem to have forgotten about.

 

- Didn't think Erin would stay for multiple episodes. I don't think they know what the hell to do with Gunnar. They introduced SO many love interests to interrupt the Scarlett story which were all so half baked - the whole Kylie story was just laughable - but it was even worse to have her and Micah disappear to be never mentioned again. They disappeared a whole lot of women after the stories seemed to work out somewhat. The only story that worked for me was Gunnar making it as a songwriter.

 

- No Jeff. Is he dead?

[pattycat]

I think Deacon opening the bar, is, at first, about him helping his Sponsor,who is, about to lose the place.

I'm betting it will develop into, Deacon wanting to turn it into a music venue. Sounds like it's also going to cause some friction between he and Rayna!

An alcoholic opening a bar? A man barely out of a liver transplant, taking on a big new business venture? What is that woman's problem?

[CofCinci]

Maybe ABC/Nashville can no longer use the Bluebird brand and have to now create a new music venue?

[madam magpie]

Maybe ABC/Nashville can no longer use the Bluebird brand and have to now create a new music venue?

I doubt that. The Bluebird is pretty well linked with the show's narrative, and so much of the cast plays there so often. I think it's more to create "will he/won't he drink" tension for Deacon and Rayna.

I think it would be cool for him to turn it into a club that funnels artists Rayna's way. I'd really like them to work together again.

Edited October 25, 2015 by madam magpie

[Clemgo3165]

That's what I'm hoping it will be. A way to funnel new talent to Hwy 65 and in turn a way for them to work together again.

[Wilco]

Who dies? Guess betting money would be on Jeff if someone does die. But like thaliasghost, I took the fatal end promo as some sort of PR move-- and/or that maybe fatal end means something else (maybe stretching it, I know)-- like the end of the Javery marriage (though guess divorce couldn't be processed that fast) or the end of Jeff being Layla's agent? Since Jeff is a recurring character now, didn't see that, if he's not in the Episode 7, that meant anything..

 

For me another speculation topic of interest is if someone is there to bring Juliette back from the ledge/edge of the building, or if that maybe is a misdirect and she's not really thinking about jumping but just wandering around the top of the bldg drunk/gone out of her mind. Assuming there is someone who pulls her back-- I would bet on the one of the following to do it:  (1) Rayna (2) Jeff (3) Deacon (4) new guy Markus. I would hope that it'd be Avery but don't think it will be.

 

Am assuming that Juliette's on a bldg back in Nashville, maybe- like on the top of the HWY 65 bldg where she first did that roof top concert.  Markus is probably far-fetched but think at some point they are going to pair him up with a post rehab Juliette. And at some point, think they will pair up Avery with Layla. Hope I am really wrong/off-target.

 

Not sure if it was on this thread or another, but someone asked if there had been a SHEP on the show before. I THINK there was a guy named SHEP who was Scarlett's sound guy or something when she had that first concert mishap maybe?

[thaliasghost]

Who dies? Guess betting money would be on Jeff if someone does die. But like thaliasghost, I took the fatal end promo as some sort of PR move-- and/or that maybe fatal end means something else (maybe stretching it, I know)-- like the end of the Javery marriage (though guess divorce couldn't be processed that fast) or the end of Jeff being Layla's agent? Since Jeff is a recurring character now, didn't see that, if he's not in the Episode 7, that meant anything..

 

They definitely are going to kill off Jeff this episode. I am NOT happy with this. Nashville, you make me stop watching.

[Sutton]

What could have Jeff done that was so bad for someone to be mad enough to kill him?

[thaliasghost]

What could have Jeff done that was so bad for someone to be mad enough to kill him?

It's an accident. He's trying to keep Juliette from falling/jumping off a roof and ends up falling to his death. It's not speculation anymore, the spoilers confirmed it.

Edited October 28, 2015 by thaliasghost

[madam magpie]

Praise the lord and pass the ammunition!

[Wilco]

 

Praise the lord and pass the ammunition!

   Amen to that. Hoped Nashville wouldn't go for the total soapy cliffhanger- what in the world was I thinking. So many ways they could have gone, and they choose this?

[Clemgo3165]

Praise the lord and pass the ammunition!

Long as we're passing it, I'll take a few rounds. Clean up on aisle 5!

[Sutton]

How high was the building? Could he survive the fall and maybe this could be a cliffhanger?

[thaliasghost]

How high was the building? Could he survive the fall and maybe this could be a cliffhanger?

I had that idea too but Layla is grieving in the next episode. Oliver Hudson really wanted to leave a sinking ship.

 

ETA: Just saw the promo for the next episode. Nope, Jeff is dead. They even have it in writing as a news item. They have LUKE comforting Layla. Really, writers??

Edited October 29, 2015 by thaliasghost

[Kathemy]

In other words, we get rid of a great villain and one of the leads of the show.

 

... But  look at the positive aspect, we have Erin and Layla to fill out their screentime!!!

[jjj]

And the promo has Juliette saying "my  manager just committed suicide".  She will have major guilt.

[airwair]

She's going to eventually remember what happened and completely fall apart and be in rehab by the end of the episode.

[Kathemy]

I'm sure she remembers. She's just lying to cover her shit up.

[thaliasghost]

In other words, we get rid of a great villain and one of the leads of the show.

 

... But  look at the positive aspect, we have Erin and Layla to fill out their screentime!!!

Couldn't agree with that more. Jeff developed into one of the leads of the show as the antagonist and through Layla becoming an actual layered character that had you second guessing. They killed off the lead antagonist that people actually want to watch (I don't care to watch Layla fighting with Luke or Marcus) and just fill it up with more randos nobody cares for.

 

This was just dumb in all aspects. Now what? Layla is going to grieve and be sad. She is not going to become stronger by becoming more independent from Jeff and leaving him or by staying with him and him and learning from it turning their relationship into something she gains knowledge from.

 

How is her character developing now that for all intends and purposes the "love of her life" is gone? Now she is going to have to sing sad songs about Jeff for the rest of the show interspersed with Rayna and Will comforting her.

[airwair]

She's not.

She honestly doesn't remember at first. I think the billboard is what will spark her recollection.

[madam magpie]

http://abc.go.com/shows/nashville/video/pl55199661/VDKA0_t2cnhohe

This looks good, though abbreviated as usually. I do love a Rayna Deacon fight. I wish they'd have Deacon get it, though. He's still living in denial. The reality is that things have changed, but it probably feels familiar to Rayna. "Don't worry, baby, I'll never drink again" will always be a bullshit answer. He should know it's one day at a time. Rayna shouldn't have to say that. An alcoholic bought a bar without even discussing it with his fiancé/girlfriend/whatever she is. It's not unreasonable for her to be worried.

Edited November 6, 2015 by madam magpie

[pattycat]

Deacon played in a bar, the Bluebird, for years and never drank. He went on the road, with Rayna, playing arena tours, for years, where, no doubt, booze was readily available, he never drank.

I wouldn't think the issue, so much, is that he's playing in a bar. Her saying she could never go see him play in a bar, would be very hurtful, it would basically demonstrate no trust,regardless, of what she said.

I'm guessing the issue (would be for me), is that he bought this bar, made these decisions, without talking to me. And yes, an alcoholic buying into a bar, is probably not the greatest of ideas, but, if he's going to drink, he could certainly do so, without being a bar owner, or playing in a bar.

When you're in a committed relationship, you don't go buy a bar,or a cupcake shop, without talking to your partner, getting their feedback, hearing their concerns, TALKING to each other. Part of being a couple, a team.

Deacon is a lifelong bachelor. Rayna was in a marriage of a dozen years. I assume she knows that. Deacon needs to understand it. Plus, he's an addict. Addict's can be guilty of very impulsive behavior.

Bar or not, if this becomes something he can invest his talent and energy in, something he can make his own, it could be a very good thing for him. And, if it could eventually be a source of potential talent for Hghway 65, more the better

The other concern, Deacon is, obviously, still coming from a place of guilt. How long does it take to come to terms with that, when your Sibling dies, donating an organ, so that you can live? I'm thinking quite awhile! They're going to need to accelerate that; sorry Bev, but we need some lighter storylines!

[madam magpie]

Right. He needs to own all of that and more, not just get defensive. He did the same thing when she asked where he'd been a couple of episodes ago.

From Rayna's point of view, it wouldn't have anything to do with logic or the fact that he's been around booze in the past or that he's been sober for years. He's an addict. That's inherently illogical. And now, he plans to spend every day/night in a bar that he bought without even talking to her. I don't think it's at all unreasonable for her to freak out (which she didn't even do, actually; to me, she sounds much more scared than angry), and Deacon needs to own that. He's the one who did this to them. She freaks out because he failed their partnership for years. If he acknowledged her feelings instead of just getting defensive, she'd probably react differently because it's true that he does need something of his own. Rayna's never tried to quash that.

When you hear "baby I'm sorry, I'll never drink again" for years and it means nothing, then it means absolutely nothing. Deacon should know better by now. The alcoholism and its effects are his responsibility, and her fear of the drinking is one of the effects. So I think the extra effort to reassure her is on him. That said, I predict she'll feel guilty and go (his whiny "you don't have faith in me" gets her every single time), they'll make up, and then it'll come up again since the fear she feels isn't really resolved...because, like you say, these people never actually TALK to each other.

And yeah, I'm totally over the misery too. He mostly needs to pull it together because I need this show to have some fun.

Edited November 6, 2015 by madam magpie

[pattycat]

While I do totally get where Rayna is coming from,these two really need to work on their (non bed ) communication skills!

Could you possibly pick a worse time to bring up your concerns, than when your Man is heading out the door, to do a show he's excited about?

You pick that time to remind him he's an alcoholic, and You may never be able to support this venture!

Pretty sure, you're guaranteed to get bad results.

Have they ever heard of sitting down at a quiet time and talking about what they're feeling, what worries them?

Drinking aside, she's probably worried about his jumping into some big new business venture, when, he is only a couple of months out, from a Liver Transplant. Not like he's recovering from the Flu!

Geez,did neither of them ever take basic communications classes, where, they teach You to use the "I" word?

"I'm worried about a couple of things, can we talk ". Rather than, "You're an alcoholic"

I thought some of those classes were so cheesy. Amazingly, a lot of what they teach, really is helpful.