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S01.E06: Betrayed


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So we were thinking that Audrey is probably related to Brandon James, right? Could explain why her DNA was close to the DNA on the mask (they didn't say it was an exact match, right?). If she is related to him, I'm not sure whether or not she knows about it (but if she does, it would also explain the photo she had of him on her wall).

 

That theory that someone framed Brandon for the initial series of murders is sounding very possible now, too.

 

I liked this episode a lot. I liked the parallels between Audrey/Emma and Brandon/Maggie. I liked Emma covering for Audrey, and I liked all of Noah's quips, and I liked seeing some of the characters interacting in different pairings (Emma/Noah, Piper/Will). I think I mostly just liked it because it was heavier on the main plot and lighter on the blackmail stuff (although I'm still hoping that connects to the main plot somehow).

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I'm calling it now: Will is in on it and that entire final scene was planned by him and The Killer. By being stabbed and then dragged away, all in front of Piper (the podcaster who will most definitely spread the news), Will looks like an innocent victim. There was no other reason The Killer wouldn't finish him off when he had the chance. 

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Unless the killer wants to use him to play a game with Emma! But I agree, he could certainly be in on it. They were trying (maybe too) hard this week to sell him as a good guy. I don't expect Piper to die for a while; I'm sure this killer likes the publicity.

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I've been theorizing that Brandon James was framed and the show finally hinted at that this episode with Maggie admitting to Emma that she's not sure Brandon snapped. If he was innocent, I'm pretty sure Emma's father was the one that did it, and is probably one of the killers now.

 

So we were thinking that Audrey is probably related to Brandon James, right? Could explain why her DNA was close to the DNA on the mask (they didn't say it was an exact match, right?). If she is related to him, I'm not sure whether or not she knows about it (but if she does, it would also explain the photo she had of him on her wall).

 

I think so, too. I think Audrey was/is being set up to be this generation's Brandon James (the video being what "makes" her snap), assuming he wasn't really the original killer. And I think them somehow being related would make the parallel even stronger. Not sure if she knows, though, but like you said, would explain the picture in her room. Which, I'm surprised nobody saw or found suspicious while looking around her bedroom this episode.

 

As much as I've been beliving in the set up theory for Audrey, I couldn't help but think this episode seemed very Billy Loomis, in making her look extremely guilty early only to clear her and then she ends up being the killer after all. Though, the main difference being that Sidney never did fully trust him after, despite sleeping with him, whereas Emma seemed very sure in trusting her. So really, I'm about as unsure about Audrey's guilt as I always was.

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I had the same thought (audiences now are trained to believe that anyone who looks guilty too early on is probably innocent, so it would make sense for them to fake us out now), but I really want to believe that Audrey is innocent. I find Emma more interesting when she's interacting with Audrey, and I liked how she lied on Audrey's behalf even after watching the incriminating video. I think that meant a lot to Audrey, too; she didn't even seem upset that Emma had watched it even after being asked not to. Let Emma's personal betrayal come from stupid Kieran and/or Will, and give us a season two with Emma, Audrey, and Noah.

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"Nice resting creep face." That made me chuckle.

 

I suppose Audrey humiliating Will, could have been to mask an actual partnership between them. I don't want Audrey to be guilty, though. 

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I had the same thought (audiences now are trained to believe that anyone who looks guilty too early on is probably innocent, so it would make sense for them to fake us out now), but I really want to believe that Audrey is innocent. I find Emma more interesting when she's interacting with Audrey, and I liked how she lied on Audrey's behalf even after watching the incriminating video. I think that meant a lot to Audrey, too; she didn't even seem upset that Emma had watched it even after being asked not to. Let Emma's personal betrayal come from stupid Kieran and/or Will, and give us a season two with Emma, Audrey, and Noah.

 

I don't want her to be the killer either, which is probably why I'm gonna keep thinking there's a chance until the finale. It's weird that I have zero worries about her dying, but am gonna be paranoid she's the killer until the end.

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This was certainly an improvement over last week. Sure, nobody bit it, (again!), but at least the killer made an exciting last-minute appearance. I agree that Will is either in on it or he's not going to die for a long time. You don't "kidnap" a character in the sixth episode just to off them in the seventh. Although, you could also read the killer's look to Piper as if they're in on it together. It's still early, (even though we're in the back half of this season there's at least one more to go), so crafting any sort of theory at this point is about as effective as yelling into a wind tunnel.

There's a lot I can knock this show for, but I am rooting for it, so here are a few positive observations. I like that they gave Noah a legitimate Randy speech. Not only did he pull it off, but they made a joke about him pulling it off that actually landed. This show is so over-written that when it gives the characters room to breathe and react to what they're saying it can feel weirdly refreshing. I also like that there is at least some resolution to the dusty blackmail story, which threatened to bring last week's episode to a screeching halt. Finally, I'm glad they're introducing more ambivalence into Emma's thought process. She's pretty sure she did the right thing for Audrey, but what if she's wrong? I think everyone played that pretty well.

That being said, how ridiculous was Audrey's "confession" tape? I know that subtlety isn't this show's strong suit but yikes.

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That being said, how ridiculous was Audrey's "confession" tape? I know that subtlety isn't this show's strong suit but yikes.

 

This. The actress is typically okay and so I was kind of surprised at how bad she was on the tape. It sounded like someone who was mildly irritated about something who then felt the need to sound really angry about it, but who wound up being super unconvincing. Did she explain to Emma why she even kept that SD card? I thought I heard Emma ask her why, but I must have zoned out. 

 

[...] though, you could also read the killer's look to Piper as if they're in on it together.

 

I actually didn't think about that, and that certainly seems just as plausible. 

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I think it's safe to say that we have firmly entered Act Three with the ending of this episode. I like that it is the jock that is in the role of the damsel in distress.

 

I wonder if perhaps Mr. Bronson could actually be Brandon James, since Noah did that fingerprint app thing, and discovering that there are several Seth Bronsons out there, but their teacher is not one of them.

 

I'm starting to think that Emma's dad was actually the killer in the '94 massacre, and the poor disfigured boy next door was just the fall guy.

 

Jake being the killer is too obvious of a red herring, IMO. Yes, Jake was pissed at Will, and the killer went right for Will, but it is just too obvious.

 

I wonder bad Will's stab wound is. He wasn't bleeding out the way Riley did, but either way, time is going to be a factor with that.

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Aside from the fact that Audrey is the character I like the most, her height sort of disqualifies her from being the killer because thus far every time we have seen the killer, he/she is much taller than Audrey. This does not preclude her from being the mastermind behind the killings though. And at this point, with the exception of the female detective, and Piper, Audrey appears to be the only character smart enough to pull it off.

I would find the attack on Will less suspicious if he actually fought back as opposed to being dragged off screaming for the apparently disoriented Piper to help him. So, either Will is in on it, or Piper is in on it. Did Piper know where Will was taking her beforehand to let a possible partner know to be laying in wait?

I don't think Brandon James is the killer in either timeline, but I do think he could be alive. If you believe the theory that someone is the child of Brandon James, thus far the only character who fits age-wise would be Piper. Yes, the child could have been born later, but unless one of the core characters is revealed to be adopted, I don't think any of the kids we know fit the bill. Has there been a teen who has sufficiently been in the background, or made comments about the going on where they could be named the killer whole still give the show the out of "The killer was right there all along."

Given that Emma's mom lived I the town pretty much her whole life and lived next door to Brandon as a child, I assume that she would know what Brandon's brother looked like, so if it's the sheriff, he would likely have had plastic surgery. Clearly if Brandon is living in town, he no longer looks the way people expects, so surgery for him as well.

While the detective was committing a crime by bringing in Audrey the way she did, I do think she will get close to or actually identify the killer but she will be killed before she can reveal all. Her death also fulfills the genre's need to kill off people of color.

Still don't like Barney Fife. Something is just off there, so no matter what the outcome, I want him to either be involved or remain off the case. Sadly, I suspect the death of the female detective will put tweedle dum/possible killer back in charge.

There better be some actual killing next week because the story isn't good enough and the actors aren't strong enough to hold my attention in death free episodes.

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That being said, how ridiculous was Audrey's "confession" tape? I know that subtlety isn't this show's strong suit but yikes.

 

It was pretty cringe worthy. Though it's what makes me pretty sure she didn't kill Nina, because someone that was that angry is hardly gonna go kill someone the way Nina was killed, playing a game with her and drawing it out. Not to mention her thinking that was the only evidence she was worried they'd find in her room.

 

Did she explain to Emma why she even kept that SD card? I thought I heard Emma ask her why, but I must have zoned out.

 

She said she kept it to remind herself never to lose control like that again, and because it was one of the last videos she had of Rachel.

 

Given that Emma's mom lived I the town pretty much her whole life and lived next door to Brandon as a child, I assume that she would know what Brandon's brother looked like, so if it's the sheriff, he would likely have had plastic surgery. Clearly if Brandon is living in town, he no longer looks the way people expects, so surgery for him as well.

 

This is what I've been thinking with all the speculation on someone being Brandon's older brother. Now that we know Maggie lived nextdoor to the James family and was somewhat close to James for so long, all the way up until she was a teen, I would find it hard to believe she wouldn't recognize his older brother unless reconstructive surgery was involved. Brandon, possibly, but I don't recall any mentions of them never finding his body after it fell into the lake or anything, which I think they would've mentioned if they were planning on him still being alive.

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I can't decide if the writers are making it WAY too obvious that Kiernan's involved in this so it can't be him in the end or if they're just so sloppy that they don't even realize they're making it very obvious. Because while this episode centered on Audrey and was supposed to raise suspicion on her, all I remember is that Emma's dream was all but waving a, bright red flag to her that the guy is shady. And yet, the next time she sees him, she's all happy and blushing about their sex. And then once again, he coincidentally vanishes from most of the episode.

 

And how convenient that the reporter lady only got a tiny bump on the head. Yeah it's totally looking like it's Kiernan and the reporter lady who is likely Brandon James' kid or relative or something and is avenging his murder. The latter was also all but spelled out when the mother pretty much stated she didn't really think Brandon was guilty and her asking him to meet her that night helped set him up to be murdered. So again, I'm torn thinking "it's so obvious it can't be right..." But then I'm thinking they may not even realize how obvious they're making it.

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I've been thinking that there are going to be two killers, one obvious one and one "surprising" one. But I can't decide whether Kieran is supposed to be the obvious one or a red herring. To his credit, the actor is playing him just ambiguously creepy enough (as opposed to the guy playing Jake, who is throwing resting creep face every which way).

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The fact that Kiernan made mention, even if via dream, that the killer didn't both contacting Emma at all during their sexy times makes me think that he and his dad are both involved, since the dad was making sexy times w/ Emma's mom as well.

 

I'm thinking the sheriff is Brandon James, but w/ reconstructive surgery going on which of course has effected his looks and possibly his voice depending on what his abnormality was that was fixed.  I mean I could totally seen Brandon James under his new guise wanting to effectively come back into Daisy's life, and what better way.  

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I'm not sure that anyone being revealed as the killer(s) would be all that surprising at this point except maybe Emma and/or her mom. They're all mildly to moderately awful people (played by equally awful actors!) and they all have some sort of opportunity---especially if we assume that two of them are working together. And there aren't THAT many suspects to choose from, so I'm not sure any of the outcomes would feel all that shocking to me. Unless one of the people we think is dead is really alive. (which, yeah, I know...I've read way too much Agatha Christie!) 

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Unless one of the people we think is dead is really alive. (which, yeah, I know...I've read way too much Agatha Christie!) 

I don't consider someone dead until we have the body on the autopsy table. (It's really hard to come back from an autopsy!) As far as I'm concerned, Will isn't dead. We'll see if his body turns up next week, or if Piper is just claiming he's dead.

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Jake has a very nice body, ditto to Kieran, they're both really hot, bad acting not counting since it has no relevance in hotness.  I'm disappointed no one died, but the creepy scences with Emma's mom showing Emma the old house of Brandon James is a really bad choice.  Hmm, there's a killer/stalker running around, but let's drive by old abandoned houses at night and walk around to take a look surrounded by trees and overgrown bushes by ourselves, just like last week, hmm, my sex tape just got leaked and I'm horrified, but I know (!!!!), let's have sex with a guy I barely know in an open field.

 

At this point, I want everyone to die because everyone is just so incredibly stupid, bad judgements all around.  There's a little bit of excitement because there are new characters being introduced with some lines, like the detective lady (don't remember her name) and Audrey's father.  Is it possible that Brandon James is still alive and had a child/children, one of them is a character from the high school, and he died later, thus that would make the child the same age as Emma.

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This. The actress is typically okay and so I was kind of surprised at how bad she was on the tape. It sounded like someone who was mildly irritated about something who then felt the need to sound really angry about it, but who wound up being super unconvincing. Did she explain to Emma why she even kept that SD card? I thought I heard Emma ask her why, but I must have zoned out. 

 

 

I actually didn't think about that, and that certainly seems just as plausible. 

I thought Piper was involved, but then thought about Audrey, and the silence re: phones, when she was being questioned. 

 

Jake, if he's the dark-haired one, looks too obvious, but then the killers in the original, were over the top, and occasionally menacing. 

 

I'm not thrilled with the show, but I am pairing people up as possible partners. I also wondered if the ex and the current boyfriend were in on it together. Will and what's his name. 

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the silence re: phones, when she was being questioned. 

This was played upon in the original Scream as well.  Could easily go either way (part of why I think this works so well):

 

1) The real killer was intentional in doing so and trying to heighten Emma's suspicion (though, it didn't work ultimately, so...)

2) Audrey is the killer and couldn't mess with Emma during this time (BORING)

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This was played upon in the original Scream as well.  Could easily go either way (part of why I think this works so well):

 

1) The real killer was intentional in doing so and trying to heighten Emma's suspicion (though, it didn't work ultimately, so...)

2) Audrey is the killer and couldn't mess with Emma during this time (BORING)

I've just seen your post in the thread of suspects. I hope we get an answer as to who it is, in the final episode, and that they don't pull a Killing and drag it out another season. 

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Yes! Mr. Branson is openly perving because he's not Mr. Branson! Whoever he is, it explains why he's fine with soliciting sex acts, on camera,  from a student. And I loved Emma's 'but he brings his soup in a thermos' as the reason he can't possibly be a fearsome murderer. Noah had it wrong with his response that all murderers have to eat (though he did have some great lines and deliveries elsewhere). The point isn't the eating, Hannibal eats. It's the thermos. The food equivalent of wearing short pants and knee socks pulled up to the knee. It's the fearsomeness that's lacking. She was wanting fearsome.

 

And the mayor! Oh the mayor! Coming to meet his blackmailer sans money, and when he gets his money and the video back he still wants to draw his gun.  Nevermind he didn't know he was the latest podcast subject. The mayor considers drawing his gun out of his waistband to maybe shoot his teenaged daughter's teenaged classmate. And then walks away, uttering a sort of maybe threat about there being a killer on the loose so watch out. I can see his wife self-medicating to cope with him.

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I feel like the Brandon James storyline was used deliberately to throw people off, but I haven't been able to put my finger on it. When they went to the abandoned hospital, Noah made note of how the killer's liar didn't seem genuine, it seemed staged. Whoever set it up, mailed Emma the yearbook and lead her there to learn more about Brandon. Then again, they found Tyler's head there soooo.....yeah. Cut off head = most likely genuine killer lair. So I guess the killer and the one sending Emma/Daisy things in the mail are one in the same, right? This should rule out multiple people with separate motives related to the Brandon James situation. Unless....two separate people used the abandoned hospital at separate times. 

 

Could someone remind me why Audrey carries a camera around all the time? Did she say she liked shooting movies or something? I don't remember. Anyway, they are setting Audrey up to be the ultimate betrayal, besides the obvious Kieran, but at the moment, I think she's a red herring. Although, she's probably related to Brandon James, so she may not be completely innocent in this whole mess.

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I think there was more on the SD card of Audrey's.  We have to remember that Emma stopped the video short after Noah asked her to.  So either there is more on the SD card that they just didn't get to or there is another SD card hidden somewhere.  I do believe Piper in that Rachel's parents were telling the truth that Audrey forced Rachel to do stuff she didn't want to, not just making out in a car.

 

I'm think there are two sets of killers out there using the Brandon James shtick.  I think we have Audrey who really did kill Nina and Tyler w/ Rachel as her accomplice as the first set of killers.  If this pans out, then that is why Audrey killed Riley as well, she was going after the mean girls group at school who she now knows, thanks to Emma, was actually involved in the leaked tape (I'm not saying Riley was involved w/ the leaked tape, just that Audrey is lumping that group all in together).

 

 The second set of killers are the ones who have killed Rachel, perhaps b/c they figured out Audrey used the Brandon James persona in that way and decided to get revenge.  I'm thinking the second set is Kiernan, who is possibly Brandon James son, and Piper, who i'm thinking is the illegitimate daughter of Brandon James and Daisy who was given up for adoption.

 

The mayor and his wacky storyline and Mr. Branson's are just side storylines to make us think they are all involved.

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Emma was watching the video again at home, though, and later Audrey told her what happened after the camera went off (Rachel threw her keys out the window, then talked her down as she searched for them), so I think that Emma saw everything there was to see.

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Again though, Emma was interrupted while watching the video on the SD card...this time her mother interrupted her around the same point.  As for what Audrey said after the camera stopped that's all hearsay since Rachel is dead.

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Yeah, my point was that the camera turned off and the video ended there (Emma didn't just pause the video, it actually ended; you could see the media player she and Noah were watching it on shift back out of fullscreen and sit idle), and I think that marked the end of the card. (Noah said, "Why'd you make me watch?" afterwards, but he didn't make Emma turn it off at any point.) Also, when Audrey asked if she'd watched and Emma said yes, Audrey went on to describe what happened immediately after the last thing Emma saw. If there had been more on the card, Audrey wouldn't have known that Emma only watched it to that specific point.

 

If there's another video on the card and Emma just never thought to watch it before giving it back, and if Audrey somehow knew she hadn't, that would be so cheap... I'd hate that.

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The scene in Emma's bedroom gave me the impression that she'd been rewatching the video a lot since getting home, not that that was the second time she watched it and got interrupted. She probably had it on loop as she mulled over what to do.

 

I find it hard to believe that the cops would've have searched Audrey's entire room for evidence, and wouldn't have combed through all of her SD cards. If there was something suspicious one her SD cards, either the one Emma stole or one of her other ones, either the cops or Emma would've seen it (not to mention Audrey wouldn't have been so focused on the one SD card). You really think Emma, who was agonizing over what to do with this card and what it meant, didn't make sure she watched everything that was on there to help her decide what to do?

 

This was played upon in the original Scream as well.  Could easily go either way (part of why I think this works so well):

 

1) The real killer was intentional in doing so and trying to heighten Emma's suspicion (though, it didn't work ultimately, so...)

2) Audrey is the killer and couldn't mess with Emma during this time (BORING)

 

The thing about the calls is that there is surely more than one killer. Not only because it's Scream, but we saw the killer watching Audrey/Rachel outside her house towards the end of the Pilot. While that doesn't mean that Audrey can't also be one of the killers, it would have to mean she's at least working with someone if she were one of them, and in that case, surely her partner could've continued to call Emma while she was in holding, if that were the case. And if anything, would've made sure to do just that to make Audrey look not guilty, since so far, all the characters still seem to assume it's only one person.

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I wonder bad Will's stab wound is. He wasn't bleeding out the way Riley did, but either way, time is going to be a factor with that.

 

I mean, Billy & Stu did intentionally stab themselves in the original movie, and Will only got stabbed just the once, so he very well could be in on it. Riley, I think, got it in the femoral artery, which is why she bled out.

 

I don't think Brandon James is the killer in either timeline, but I do think he could be alive. If you believe the theory that someone is the child of Brandon James, thus far the only character who fits age-wise would be Piper. Yes, the child could have been born later, but unless one of the core characters is revealed to be adopted, I don't think any of the kids we know fit the bill. Has there been a teen who has sufficiently been in the background, or made comments about the going on where they could be named the killer whole still give the show the out of "The killer was right there all along."

I like Piper for the child of Brandon James and Emma's mom, whether she may be the killer or not. Now especially since Emma's mom admitted to being friends with Brandon. I still think there's more there than she's saying. That lady has a LOT of secrets, and she is eking them out, one at a time. Yeesh.

 

Still don't like Barney Fife. Something is just off there, so no matter what the outcome, I want him to either be involved or remain off the case. Sadly, I suspect the death of the female detective will put tweedle dum/possible killer back in charge.

 

That whole thing with delaying Rachel's murder investigation was just weird and stupid. I don't know why Emma's mom went along with that like it was a good idea. Unless Emma's mom is the killer... man, that would be the only thing that would surprise me at this point. Actually no, I kind of like that theory. The only surprises for me would be if the killers are Emma, Audrey or Noah. Or Brooke. Oooh, if Brooke was just playing everyone all this time? Maybe she killed her mother and her dad was cleaning up the body for her??

 

This show.

 

I've been thinking that there are going to be two killers, one obvious one and one "surprising" one. But I can't decide whether Kieran is supposed to be the obvious one or a red herring. To his credit, the actor is playing him just ambiguously creepy enough (as opposed to the guy playing Jake, who is throwing resting creep face every which way).

I could easily see Kieran being a red herring. Like Jerry O'Connell in Scream 2. But if he's not the killer, he has to die. IF THEY WOULD ACTUALLY KILL PEOPLE ON THIS SHOW. Le sigh.

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For this show, I am just lurking, but damn I gotta say this: when Emma and Noah saw the police coming, they ran away without taking that extra second to shove the drawer closed, thereby immediately raising suspicion and pointing right to the SD cards.

 

IF THEY WOULD ACTUALLY KILL PEOPLE ON THIS SHOW. Le sigh.

This. I am so disappointed that despite being set in a high school with so many potential red shirts, the body count is so low. I understand wanting to kill only characters we know and theoretically matter, but they do have the screen time to introduce more people. The body count should not match the first Scream because that one was just 110 (glorious) minutes. If they keep this up they will have more sex scenes than murders!

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 Unless Emma's mom is the killer... man, that would be the only thing that would surprise me at this point. Actually no, I kind of like that theory.

You know, I spent the last half of this episode coming to the same conclusion. I really like the idea that Daisy was the original killer, and that she spent Halloween offing everyone who bullied Brandon. She was going to confess when he came to the dock but didn't have a chance. At this point I'd feel fairly confident saying she's one of two. It would also answer why she would be hesitant to investigate Rachel's murder.

 

Aside from the fact that Audrey is the character I like the most, her height sort of disqualifies her from being the killer because thus far every time we have seen the killer, he/she is much taller than Audrey.

If height is a concern, I'll direct your attention to the killer's reveal in Scream 4.

 

As for the "killer being wounded" motif it's

Billy

in Scream 1,

Roman's off-screen "death"

in Scream 3 and

the entire penultimate scene

in Scream 4. Not surprising that Will would end up being in on it.

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If height is a concern, I'll direct your attention to the killer's reveal in Scream 4.

 

As for the "killer being wounded" motif it's

Billy

in Scream 1,

Roman's off-screen "death"

in Scream 3 and

the entire penultimate scene

in Scream 4. Not surprising that Will would end up being in on it.

 

Fair point as to the first, but of course, she had an accomplice.

 

And

both Billy AND Stu were wounded in Scream. Although, I guess we knew that it was a ploy by the time Stu was stabbed.

 

Also, are we concerned for movie spoilers? Is there anyone watching who hasn't seen the movies and is just hoping the show will live up to them in even the smallest amount?

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Surprisingly, I liked this episode. Maybe because I actually slept and then watched it, but I found it enjoyable. Different pairings, characters trying to solve different problems (Audrey's DNA, Mr. Branson), and I didn't hate that many people this time. 

 

I really enjoyed Emma/Noah interacting. It's definitely the first storyline I've been invested in. Although, dudes, shut Audrey's drawer of SD cards, at least. But couldn't the police get a warrant to trace that phone call and figure out what she said to Emma? I think that's a thing that can happen, right? They can trace at least Audrey's half of the phone call. But eh, I guess this is a show, so it can't be that easy. 

 

I'm thinking that Kieran disappears way too conveniently whenever something interesting happens. I definitely think he's in on it now, especially with Emma's dream flashing big warning signs and her ignoring them. I would so love if Emma's mom was at least the original murderer, but who knows if they'd actually go for that.

 

Still don't care about Jake, Brooke or Will. But...shoot me for saying this, but I hate Will less. Maybe because Jake shot up to a 'kill him now' list along with Brooke. Will's more on a 'other people need to die before him now' list.   

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