formerlyfreedom March 31, 2014 Share March 31, 2014 A serial killer who was presumed to be dead reappears and resumes his murderous ways, or so it appears. Original airdate: April 3, 2014 Link to comment
j5cochran April 4, 2014 Share April 4, 2014 Clyde the shark! Ms.Hudson mentioned! The story was okay, but . . . Clyde! Ms. Hudson! 1 Link to comment
Athena April 4, 2014 Share April 4, 2014 So many cute moments this episode including Clyde in costume (x2), Ms Hudson mentions (x2), Sherlock picking Watson's wardrobe, Sherlock getting punched to further an investigation, Sherlock going to sing "Let it Go", and Sherlock asking Joan on vacation! I kinda went aww when he said he'd make her dentures too. 1 Link to comment
Collinwood April 4, 2014 Share April 4, 2014 Glad to know Ms. Hudson is still around, I'd still like to actually see her though. Could someone explain this episode to me. I didn't follow the chronology of the attacks and the making of the dentures and why any of that would lead to a lawsuit by Mother Colville. I swear to God I'm not stupid but I do have a nasty cold. Link to comment
Tabbyclaw April 4, 2014 Share April 4, 2014 Colville was imprisoned at Newgate from 2001 to 2004, during which time the prison doctor made a cast of his teeth. After his release from that prison stint, he was convicted of murdering two women and reincarcerated. According to Joan's colleague, he confessed to those murders on his deathbed. A few months prior to this episode occurring, the prison doctor, who was himself dying, found out about Colville having been convicted of murder based on his bite marks and wrote to Colville's mother to say that Colville might not have committed the murders after all. It's never explicitly stated on what grounds Mrs. Colville was filing her lawsuit, but I assume it was an accusation of negligence or mishandling that led to her son's conviction based on faulty evidence. She had her own set of dentures made and killed the other women to further cast doubt on her son's conviction. 1 Link to comment
frenchtoast April 4, 2014 Share April 4, 2014 (edited) Clyde the shark! Ms.Hudson mentioned! The story was okay, but . . . Clyde! Ms. Hudson! So many cute moments this episode including Clyde in costume (x2), Ms Hudson mentions (x2), Sherlock picking Watson's wardrobe, Sherlock getting punched to further an investigation, Sherlock going to sing "Let it Go", and Sherlock asking Joan on vacation! I kinda went aww when he said he'd make her dentures too. Even though we didn't get to Ms. Hudson, I was pretty glad we got to hear her mentioned, that she hasn't been forgotten. I hope we hear about Randy too soon. And Alfredo. I'm kind of disappointed that we didn't get to see the performance of Let It Go but maybe just imagining is better. It was good to see Sherlock gently approach Joan about her fixation on the surgeon. If anyone understands seeing clues everywhere, it's him. Hopefully part of teaching her will be to accept that people aren't perfect, but it doesn't make them criminal. Just...let it go. (Sorry.) Edited April 4, 2014 by frenchtoast Link to comment
Athena April 4, 2014 Share April 4, 2014 It was good to see Sherlock gently approach Joan about her fixation on the surgeon. If anyone understands seeing clues everywhere, it's him. Hopefully part of teaching her will be to accept that people aren't perfect, but it doesn't make them criminal. Just...let it go. (Sorry.) I hope we aren't being too reptitive posting on both boards, but I liked this button of Joan's was pushed. She has a sensitivity about innocent people dying on her and if she was part of that, if she could have stopped it, etc. It's not rational, but it fit with her past. I also really loved Sherlock talking to her about it. He is her teacher and mentor in a way so it would make sense for him to remind her that you can overdo it or project too much. I read another AV Club commentary about how quiet this show is. Even the humor is understated. I love that the conversations are quiet and meaningful. Link to comment
threebluestars April 4, 2014 Share April 4, 2014 Clyde the Shark was awesome lol. I've missed his tortoisey goodness. I like that they brought in the hackers again for a great callback. Died laughing at the thought of him singing Let It Go in that outfit lol. And I double love how Joan is all "whatever" and doesn't even bother to view the performance lol. 1 Link to comment
Charlesman April 5, 2014 Share April 5, 2014 Colville was imprisoned at Newgate from 2001 to 2004, during which time the prison doctor made a cast of his teeth. After his release from that prison stint, he was convicted of murdering two women and reincarcerated. Thanks for the breakdown Tabbyclaw, somehow I completely missed that Colville had been imprisoned twice. I thought the dentures were made while he was in jail for the woman-biting murders, and none of episode made sense. 1 Link to comment
Monty April 5, 2014 Share April 5, 2014 I love that in the world of Elementary, Newgate Prison is in New York instead of London. They could easily use an actual New York prison, but it's more Sherlock Holmes-y to have him go to Newgate. (Apparently there really was a Newgate Prison in New York, but it stopped being used in 1829) 1 Link to comment
shapeshifter April 5, 2014 Share April 5, 2014 Here's Julian's post on the episode!Regarding the lack of the Elementary Element of "Sherlock pulls an impossibly specific piece of trivia out of his ass to help solve a crime," he solved the first murder so quickly that I'm sure there was some trivia knowledge involved, like what the ME/mortician was high on. 1 Link to comment
Helena Dax April 5, 2014 Share April 5, 2014 Great episode. I watch this show to enjoy the characters and their relationships: the cases are less important to me. I like to see their lives, so I enjoyed the moments with Clyde, Sherlock's line about getting new teeth for Joan... I'd like to see Joan thinking about writing, though. It'd help to see her as a version of John Watson because I'm having some trouble with that. As much as I love her, she doesn't remind me of the original Watson at all. 1 Link to comment
BungalowSummer April 5, 2014 Share April 5, 2014 Clyde stole the episode, but then I'm partial to turtles. The Elementary writers' Twitter account had several photos of Clyde in his cozies. I would also pay real money to see Holmes (or Jonny Lee Miller) on YouTube dressed in a prom dress and singing selections from "Frozen". This gag is strictly for fans. I don't think a casual viewer would understand what was happening with the ritual humiliations demanded by the hacker group. I like what it adds to the generally manic air around Holmes and what it says about his indifference to irrelevancies in his pursuit of the truth. Link to comment
MaryHedwig April 5, 2014 Share April 5, 2014 I would also pay real money to see Holmes (or Jonny Lee Miller) on YouTube dressed in a prom dress and singing selections from "Frozen". Way to sell DVDs though if it is included as a special feature. Link to comment
jhlipton April 8, 2014 Share April 8, 2014 I bet the Baker Street Irregulars are punching themselves for never asking themselves why they never got their Sherlock to do fun or ridiculous things!Definitely a convoluted episode, but with all the call-backs, one for the fans. Link to comment
jeansheridan November 9, 2014 Share November 9, 2014 (edited) I want to see that treasure hunt. Plus his goofy invite! He thinks Joan is fun! Lucy Liu might be fun but Joan seems a bit of a killjoy. The fact that Sherlock thinks she is fun makes me swoon. It is like the early years of Mulder and Scilly. Edited November 9, 2014 by jeansheridan 1 Link to comment
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