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Hi guys! Migrating over here officially...I used to hang at the TWoP boards and I'm glad to see some familiar names. Excited to discuss the revival with all you folks.    I want SO BADLY for the rev

Bastet
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I'm pretty much at "fuck this" stage.  I'll watch, and hope to be pleasantly surprised, but I'm expecting to wish it had ended with IWTB.  If this was a relationship drama written by someone who doesn

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So far we have the possibility of estrangement, William, and looming alien colonization.   Also known as Top Three Things Bastet Does Not Want to See.

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Watching porn is an edgy trait?

 

Addiction/obsession implies a problem, not a habit, Chris; choose your words better.

 

Exactly.

 

But to be fair, it was called a habit back in the day (when the XF was still on). So I'm not going to mince his words completely.

 

Yes it's a problem. But it wasn't treated as such in the show, it was more of a joke.

 

No it's not PC now, but back then... it was to a point.

 

But frankly, I don't need to see it come back. It wasn't all that funny then, and it still isn't.

Goshengir1

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My glass is half-full mentality is in full swing this morning so I'm thinking positive!  I think CC and company really like to lather up the fans, and they know that the MSR is the one thing we are super passionate about so of course they have to be cagey so that we'll all be dying to know if Mulder and Scully are still together and tune in to watch.  I don't think there's any other hook that is as sure to grab us...I mean, how much do we care about the alien colonization and continuation of the mytharc? CC loves to tease us and give out obscure statements that keep us guessing. Mulder and Scully aren't living together, but what does that mean? It's frustrating as all hell, but he's always done it.  My fear is that it'll be dragged out into something like the nonsensical baby-daddy tease that ruined season 8 for me.   I do not want to be kept guessing as to the true nature of the Mulder and Scully relationship until the last 5 minutes of the sixth episode.

 

Something else that is helping keep me in a positive state of mind...I don't think the fact that the second episode is given the same title as Mulder and Scully's love theme from IWTB (Home Again) is a coincidence.  From watching the making-of feature on the blu-ray I know CC and especially Spotniz love to give out subtle little hints that they hope fans notice, of course they also intentionally give out stuff that is misdirection, like were-wolf Mulder.  My hope is that whatever frustration/angst etc. is existing between M&S will be resolved by episode 2...complete with hot love scene!

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I don't think that CC is teasing all that much tbh, just wanting people to be surprised. I think he's aware of what's at stake.*

 

*Note: Yes he's had a love affair with that crap for a LONG time. But I think he's grown up some since then and knows (at least to a POINT) that we're NOT fans of it.

 

I think all that means is that he could be undercover, their son could be living with him so Scully moved out to keep them both safe, or something else along those lines. It's meant to be a surprise, hence any of the obscurity.

 

How can ANY show keep any secrets, if there wasn't any obscurity, statement wise?

 

I hope so too ;).

Carrie123

Carrie123

My guess is that it won't be a real split -- more like Mulder's so deep in the throes of obsession that he is staying in the house working all the time and Scully couldn't deal with it / had to leave to function as a normal person. Similar to the conflict in IWTB, but not with the characters actually separated in a long-term sense. Maybe even married. I just always come back to the fact that they really NEVER split voluntarily in all nine years of the show and then through the last movie. And with CC's and Gillian's comments about liking where the relationship is and it maturing, I just think there is more to the whole "living separately" thing than is being teased.

 

That said, I am a little wary of the "Mulder's in a dark place" stuff. Feels very similar to what we have seen before, while not out of character. I hope it's backed up by new news about colonization or something. I always hated when they had Mulder not tell Scully things to protect her, but I imagine we'll see something along those lines.

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My guess is that it won't be a real split -- more like Mulder's so deep in the throes of obsession that he is staying in the house working all the time and Scully couldn't deal with it / had to leave to function as a normal person. Similar to the conflict in IWTB, but not with the characters actually separated in a long-term sense. Maybe even married. I just always come back to the fact that they really NEVER split voluntarily in all nine years of the show and then through the last movie. And with CC's and Gillian's comments about liking where the relationship is and it maturing, I just think there is more to the whole "living separately" thing than is being teased.

 

That said, I am a little wary of the "Mulder's in a dark place" stuff. Feels very similar to what we have seen before, while not out of character. I hope it's backed up by new news about colonization or something. I always hated when they had Mulder not tell Scully things to protect her, but I imagine we'll see something along those lines.

 

Yep. Exactly.

 

I am too to a point, but maybe it has something to do with the 'separation'?

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My guess is that it won't be a real split -- more like Mulder's so deep in the throes of obsession that he is staying in the house working all the time and Scully couldn't deal with it / had to leave to function as a normal person. Similar to the conflict in IWTB, but not with the characters actually separated in a long-term sense.

 

Yeah, not living together doesn’t automatically mean split up, and that sort of scenario would make sense so I’d be fine with it.  In theory – as always, my caveat is I don’t trust CC based on his track record.  Hopefully he has matured and evolved.

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Yeah, not living together doesn’t mean split up, and that sort of scenario would make sense so I’d be fine with it.  In theory – as always, my caveat is I don’t trust CC based on his track record.  Hopefully he has matured and evolved.

 

Exactly. That's where I'm at too. I feel he has somewhat... but to what extent, that's what I'm wondering.

Carrie123

Carrie123

Exactly. That's where I'm at too. I feel he has somewhat... but to what extent, that's what I'm wondering.

 

I definitely have concerns, but ultimately, when you look at the entire history of the franchise, CC and team always reaffirm the Mulder/Scully relationship. I mean, there have been some threads many did not love, but when it comes to the big things, they generally always land on the side of Mulder and Scully together. 

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 I thought this was interesting: http://41.media.tumblr.com/9154ae8ea050d5060a53d652d8c05600/tumblr_nqjc8zdcnx1qzi1ujo1_1280.png

 

What should Mulder moving into his living room suggest? That he's gone off the deep end?

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/110865913@N05/sets/72157655105375015

 

Here's some cool photos of him.

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 I thought this was interesting: http://41.media.tumblr.com/9154ae8ea050d5060a53d652d8c05600/tumblr_nqjc8zdcnx1qzi1ujo1_1280.png

 

What should Mulder moving into his living room suggest? That he's gone off the deep end?

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/110865913@N05/sets/72157655105375015

 

Here's some cool photos of him.

 

Nah. I think that both him and Scully are some sort of paranormal investigators, and maybe he had to go undercover.

 

Just got this via Twitter: An article/blog about M & S

 

Source: theblogofprogress.com

 

Maybe this is relating to the maturity and evolving that Chris meant. That they had to take some time to do so.

 

I'm still unsure about it though. Not very happy. And not sure what to make of it.

pagooey

pagooey

Is the Baptist mission/church/soup kitchen in those Flickr photos meant to be some kind of Easter egg? The motto over the door appears to read "Some Things Must Be Believed to be Seen." Anyway, DD is still awfully pretty. I would gladly volunteer to be his hillbilly bluegrass-musician dedicated jacket-holder.

 

As for the separation, whatever its nature, all I can think of is that moment in "Arcadia," only extrapolated over decades: "38,476th time, Mulder: toilet seat!" Maybe Scully finally snapped...? ;)

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Is the Baptist mission/church/soup kitchen in those Flickr photos meant to be some kind of Easter egg? The motto over the door appears to read "Some Things Must Be Believed to be Seen." Anyway, DD is still awfully pretty. I would gladly volunteer to be his hillbilly bluegrass-musician dedicated jacket-holder.

 

As for the separation, whatever its nature, all I can think of is that moment in "Arcadia," only extrapolated over decades: "38,476th time, Mulder: toilet seat!" Maybe Scully finally snapped...? ;)

 

Maybe lol. But seriously, what I got from that article is that they'll be pulling more of the same games. I hope that it's true to character and NOT DAMN cheap. Heck if it's that... I'll stick with IWTB being the end.

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HalcyonDays

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What should Mulder moving into his living room suggest? That he's gone off the deep end?

 

To be honest...Mulder moving into his living room tells me that he's back to form, back to his normal FBI /X-Files investigating self. It tells ME that he's "out" of the deep end and has a purpose.

 

Why do I say this? Because in the entire run of The X-Files, what was the joke (besides M watching porn). That Mulder didn't have a bedroom. It's even used for maximum effect in Dreamland I and Dreamland II (the one where he switched bodies with Michael McKean's Morris Fletcher.)

 

There was a scene where Fletcher (as Mulder) goes into M's apartment, because he wants to get ready for when Scully comes over for dinner. He's looking for a bedroom, finally opens a door and boom! a bunch of porn mags and boxes and boxes of files tumble out onto the floor. Later, when Scully is over, she comments "I didn't even know you had a bedroom, Mulder."

 

So him "moving into his living room" indicates to me, that Mulder is back in full form, back in FBI mode and ready to do his thing. Because that's how he works. Everything around him has to be clustered into one room. It's just the way he needs to work, to be most focused and efficient. It's just his quirk, like writers who need a particular setup to be productive.

 

And one of the pictures someone posted above had Mulder in suit and tie - therefore back working for the FBI.

 

Anyway, that's how I see it.

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HalcyonDays, that's a good point and I think you're probably right. I just hope CC understands the character of Mulder as much as you seem to!

 

Also, "Carter says that episode 4 will deal with one of Scully’s most distinctive character features: her religious faith, a source of conflict with Mulder."

---Entertainment Weekly

 

It'll be interesting to see how Scully's religious beliefs have evolved over the past seven years. She didn't seem particularly happy working at that Catholic hospital. 

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Bastet

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Also, "Carter says that episode 4 will deal with one of Scully’s most distinctive character features: her religious faith, a source of conflict with Mulder."

 

Okay, let me amend the AKA of our potential storylines thus far to Four Things Bastet Does Not Want to See.

 

Oops, I forgot the possibility of Gibson Praise, particularly Gibson Praise being such a big part of the story the actor is in town all summer.  Okay, Five Things Bastet Does Not Want to See. 

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That "Why M&S Not Living Together Is Actually a Good Thing" piece was great.  I agree with the thesis, but the fact remains that's not a story I trust CC to tell.  I want to trust he'll at least end it in the right place.  Wait and see, I know.

 

Yea it was... but I don't TRUST CC to tell it either. I just don't. There's just way TOO much history there. Too much faulty and flawed storytelling. I do too, but I just... don't. Lmao this is one complicated history.

 

In a way, I'm hoping that the way it goes about it, is NOT how they're going to go about it. There are SO many ways it can go wrong.

The more I hear, the less excited I am.

 

Exactly. I'm regretting (to a point) helping to bug Fox :(. Don't get me wrong there's been some good that I don't regret, but I don't trust CC all that well.

 

But it's part in parcel. **sigh**

 

Guess we should have stuck with IWTB being the end.

haha, I guess I should have seen that coming. I know a lot of people dislike that aspect of the show. I hope CC practices some subtlety, since he often goes overboard with religious imagery in such episodes...

 

^ This. Hands down. I HATE those episodes. HATE them. Dislike doesn't even begin to cover it. I hope he can be able to be subtle.

To be honest...Mulder moving into his living room tells me that he's back to form, back to his normal FBI /X-Files investigating self. It tells ME that he's "out" of the deep end and has a purpose.

 

Why do I say this? Because in the entire run of The X-Files, what was the joke (besides M watching porn). That Mulder didn't have a bedroom. It's even used for maximum effect in Dreamland I and Dreamland II (the one where he switched bodies with Michael McKean's Morris Fletcher.)

 

There was a scene where Fletcher (as Mulder) goes into M's apartment, because he wants to get ready for when Scully comes over for dinner. He's looking for a bedroom, finally opens a door and boom! a bunch of porn mags and boxes and boxes of files tumble out onto the floor. Later, when Scully is over, she comments "I didn't even know you had a bedroom, Mulder."

 

So him "moving into his living room" indicates to me, that Mulder is back in full form, back in FBI mode and ready to do his thing. Because that's how he works. Everything around him has to be clustered into one room. It's just the way he needs to work, to be most focused and efficient. It's just his quirk, like writers who need a particular setup to be productive.

 

And one of the pictures someone posted above had Mulder in suit and tie - therefore back working for the FBI.

 

Anyway, that's how I see it.

 

Good points. I don't think he'll be working for the FBI. But... I think he'll be working as a paranormal detective of sorts. Maybe Scully might be too.

HalcyonDays, that's a good point and I think you're probably right. I just hope CC understands the character of Mulder as much as you seem to!

 

Also, "Carter says that episode 4 will deal with one of Scully’s most distinctive character features: her religious faith, a source of conflict with Mulder."

---Entertainment Weekly

 

It'll be interesting to see how Scully's religious beliefs have evolved over the past seven years. She didn't seem particularly happy working at that Catholic hospital. 

 

The fuq? O_o I thought that Mulder was ok with her on that level? So now they're retconning it? /facepalm Guess now she's a practicing Catholic, skeptic again. 

 

Chris... how much do you even know them anymore? I'm sorry, but I'm really concerned.

AntiBeeSpray

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That sentence was probably (hopefully) paraphrased. It would be silly to create conflict between her and Mulder over religion.

 

I hope so. Yea it would be. Just read that part... *ugh* I DO NOT like it. At all, not ONE bit. I thought his serious doubts about God were over and done with to a point.

 

And now I'm reading the EW article. Laughing my ass off. XD Damn you guys. They thought that people not liking the wig (para phrasing here) was a meme. No that's not it :P. A meme is generally image related.

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I can see religion causing conflict in the general sense that it’s an ongoing, fundamental disagreement between them; that doesn’t automatically imply it's a serious problem for them.   They both have good cause for frustration, with “You listen to every crackpot that comes along, but dismiss my religious beliefs” vs. “You scoff at the lack of proof for anything I believe in, but accept this one thing on faith.”  I suspect they generally don't get into it unless circumstances force the issue.

 

Scully the Religious Scientist is just annoying to me, rather than an interesting dichotomy or whatever they’re going for, so I’m not pleased at the prospect of revisiting it.  But the “conflict” part of that line doesn’t bother me at all.

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I can see religion causing conflict in the general sense that it’s an ongoing, fundamental disagreement between them; that doesn’t automatically imply it's a serious problem for them.   They both have good cause for frustration, with “You listen to every crackpot that comes along, but dismiss my religious beliefs” vs. “You scoff at the lack of proof for anything I believe in, but accept this one thing on faith.”  I suspect they generally don't get into it unless circumstances force the issue.

 

Scully the Religious Scientist is just annoying to me, rather than an interesting dichotomy or whatever they’re going for, so I’m not pleased at the prospect of revisiting it.  But the “conflict” part of that line doesn’t bother me at all.

 

Good points.

 

Yea exactly. Never liked that bit.

 

One bit I'm worried about... a member over on Haven said, "The EW article suggests he probably wouldn't pass the psych screening." Yes it's in regards to having a gun, but it still concerns me a bit.

 

*urgh* I feel sorry for him. More damaged Mulder. Possibly crazy. Not good.

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Hidebehind

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Well, he's shown in a suit and has a shaved faced, so I don't think whatever issue he was dealing with in the first episode is too serious. I gotta admit that I hope they don't dwell on the "Mulder is in a dark place" storyline. It's realistic for him and or Scully to be very emotionally fragile at this point, after all that has happened to them, but I don't think that would be very enjoyable to watch. I'd like for them to be at least somewhat happy and sane in the revival... 

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Well, he's shown in a suit and has a shaved faced, so I don't think whatever issue he was dealing with in the first episode is too serious. I gotta admit that I hope they don't dwell on the "Mulder is in a dark place" storyline. It's realistic for him and or Scully to be very emotionally fragile at this point, after all that has happened to them, but I don't think that would be very enjoyable to watch. I'd like for them to be at least somewhat happy and sane in the revival... 

 

Good point.

 

I hope not. Or least have it lead to good make up sex ;). 

 

Ah who am I kidding, Chris would shoot the damn scene in the dark /facepalm.

 

He has to be locked up!

 

Word. From your lips to Chris's ear.

 

I'm MORE concerned about the religious plot tbh.

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I think the religious plot is the least of our worries :d

 

On a positive note, CC has penned some good episodes: Paper Clip, Irresistible, Duane Barry, Darkness Falls. Who's to say he won't surprise everyone?

 

How? I'm worried about overly overt religious symbolism :X.

 

Yea he has... but it's been a LONG time. His last good one aside from the Truth, was Improbable. And that was a long time ago. IWTB was good in it's own right, but it wasn't as good as some of the older writing.

Hidebehind

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I think he realizes to some extent that this is his last chance, even if he's not willing to admit it publicly. I would think the awful reception of IWTB humbled him somewhat as well.

 

I'm worried about the overt symbolism too, but I probably won't even notice when the episode actually airs because I'll be so focused on everything else.  

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I think he realizes to some extent that this is his last chance, even if he's not willing to admit it publicly. I would think the awful reception of IWTB humbled him somewhat as well.

 

I'm worried about the overt symbolism too, but I probably won't even notice when the episode actually airs because I'll be so focused on everything else.  

 

Yep hopefully. Still love IWTB, but it didn't do that well.

 

Lol ain't that the truth!

 

I have a couple of scenarios running through my head right now:

 

1) Mulder has to fake a separation with Scully, hence living alone to keep her safe. He's working as a paranormal investigator and doesn't want to risk their relationship.

 

2) Scully got stressed and left. Mulder gets lost in his obsession once again. <-- this one seems likely (and I HOPE to god I'm wrong on it) It just seems cheap to me for some reason, past stuff aside. But it does sound like the 'I don't want darkness in my home' bit. And I hated it in IWTB :D. Not to mention it makes no sense, since it seems as if she visits him on weekends. Ok, maybe a bit of sense... but it's still a plot I'm not a fan of.

 

Both could lead up to good make up sex >:), but the latter is majorly depressing. It could be written SO badly. And that's why I'm kind of dreading things a bit.

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Ok guise... just found out about this newer tweet David made.

 

Here it is:

 

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Such a stinker :P. Well played, guys! Well played XD.

 

Figured there was some misdirection going on in that article. Don't trust everything you read, guys! There be BS blowin through it now.

 

Biggest tip off imo, is if it seems to go counter to an interview that took place before (especially before shooting started) then consider it to be suspect.

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OK, the latest tumblr "rumors" from "reliable sources" are:

 

1) Scully's mom might return in the second episode

2) Scully and Mulder are definitely broken up in the first episode

 

All I can say is that I hope the first one is true and the second one isn't.  

 

Word on both.

 

And I don't buy the second one AT all. Anything from a 'reliable source' for the most part imo, is probably planted info. That's my best guess on it. It's too soon after the EW article just came out for it to not be. 

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I agree with you. Many of these rumors and leaked images conflict with each other.

 

Exactly. It wouldn't make sense to go and ruin it. The timing... it's really fishy. I think they're just doing it to try to draw us off the scent and cause conversation.

 

But it is kind of fun to experience the old REALLY don't like you Chris Carter feelings again lmao XD. Haven't felt this way in years!

Carrie123

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Does anyone remember them EVER actually spreading false info? Beyond the werewolf thing in IWTB? I've followed the show / fandom since it started and remember that most spoilers ended up being true so am curious what others recall. We definitely don't know enough now to draw any conclusions (and the set photos / previous quotes look contradictory), but I was really hoping they would not go this route. 

 

Assuming it is true, the worst case scenario is probably that they get back together in the last episode, but then, if they are estranged, WHY would they be investigating X-Files in the standalone episodes? And wouldn't this create a very odd tone? 

 

Best case scenario is that it really is some kind of undercover / misdirect situation and we find out at the end of episode 1 that Scully is still with him / working with him (which feels pretty viable and similar to how they have handled things before). Otherwise I guess that we'll just route for the estrangement being brief and externally motivated and resolved quickly. 

 

I mean, if we take the spoilers at face value and the split is about Mulder being obsessive and in a dark place or whatever, it makes very little sense that Scully would not be helping him and working with him, as she has always done. 

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I wish I still had access to the IWTB speculation thread back on televisionwithoutpity. I want to see what spoilers/rumors were circulating and how many of them ended up being true.

 

EDIT: Just got onto the thread using archive. I'll see what I find :)

 

First IWTB lie I see: Mulder dressed as an FBI agent on set. tsk tsk...

 

I'm having some technical trouble, but from the pages I've read, almost everyone is convinced (by the spoilers/teasers) that M&S are separated at the beginning of IWTB. That sounds awfully similar to what we're predicting here.  

 

Oh, and in FTF, apparently CC promised fans that M&S would "lock lips" or something similar. He was referring to the CPR.

 

And now I'm cracking up. Because of something Frank Spotnitz said, some posters thought there would be a major plot twist in IWTB similar to the plot twist in The Sixth Sense. This "plot twist" was the X-Files theme playing as the screen zoomed in on Bush.  

 

EDIT:  http://perplexistan.tumblr.com/post/122750337836/a-few-more-xf-revival-spoilers-leaks

 

WTF? I am speechless. That sort of melodrama does not belong on this show. And it's complete assassination of Scully's character. 

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Goshengir1

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The spoilers just don't add up with what CC said awhile ago about the relationship maturing and evolving, and DD and GA both saying that they like where the relationship is at and that if something didn't feel right to them they would have spoken up.  A relationship doesn't mature and evolve if it becomes estranged and they start dating other people...and how could DD and GA like that?  I'm so confused.

AntiBeeSpray

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The spoilers just don't add up with what CC said awhile ago about the relationship maturing and evolving, and DD and GA both saying that they like where the relationship is at and that if something didn't feel right to them they would have spoken up.  A relationship doesn't mature and evolve if it becomes estranged and they start dating other people...and how could DD and GA like that?  I'm so confused.

 

Heck yea, I know. I'm feeling that they're trying to hide something really big right now, hence the worst possible scenario spoilers.

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"danax6, the person who posted these leaks/spoilers, added some clarifications today:

I feel like I need to clear up some misconceptions that I’ve come across throughout the day. Haven’t been able to yet because of a busy day at work.

First of all, nowhere is it specified that Scully broke up with Mulder. I realize I worded that wrong, I meant to say that they just broke up, period. No telling who instigated what, but my personal guess would be Scully given the Mulder!Recluse situation.

Also, her having had a relationship/thing/whatever with O'Malley is not revealed until the end of the episode. That might explain why they shake hands at the beginning. They want to keep it a ‘surprise’ I guess. (More like a hammer bashed into your skull). And even though O'Malley is looking to rekindle, Scully drops everything and ditches O'Malley to go see Mulder as soon as he calls. I feel like it’s important to include this somehow.

In the script they actually use the term ‘Mulder/Scully house’ even though only Mulder lives there, so the map might not have been a plant."

 

God, the spoilers are so...plausible, in some awful, Twilight Zone way, that I can't help but believe they're true.

 

The idea that Scully would lie to Mulder about her involvement with O'Malley is what really kills me. That is simply not true to her character.

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And that's what they are... some of them are real, and some are not. We need to back off on this somewhat. Let said leaker get caught. I think Fox is trying to flush them out right now, thanks to geekmom7's theory. It's the only one that makes any real sense.

 

Oh shit. Mitch just tweeted me on Twitter. I said I was worried and he was wondering why. O_O

 

I let him know that we're a bit worried. Not much.

 

And he told me and another Twitterer to mellow out XD.

 

I let him know that I'm mellow.

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