S05.E13: Sister Act

AnnA · February 17, 2015

As there has been some speculation of what prescriptions Kim was put on after her hospital stay. Here's what it says in Season 5: Episode 12 Drama Queens. We have been discussing it a lot so I hope it's OK to add it here.

Talking head Kim says, " I was on anti-inflammatory steroids and three kinds of antibiotics. It was beginning to make me feel like it was something terminal. It was beginning to frighten me."

I'm not a medical professional or pharmacist but I have been a patient. Do doctors ever prescribe three kinds of antibiotics to anyone? Edited February 17, 2015 by AnnA

talula · February 17, 2015

Why is Kim upset with Kyle? This could be why (from S5:E12, Drama Queens). Real or perceived these two sisters need counselling IMO.

Talking head Kim-"I knew Kyle had concerns for me that night (poker party) so I went into the bathroom with Kyle and it just had a very familiar feeling to me."

Flashback 3-years earlier on game night Kim/Kyle in bathroom:

Kim-"I've been having very horrible panic attacks."

Kyle-"Panic attacks?"

Kim-"Like my heart is out of my skin. I haven't eaten or slept in 7-days."

Kyle pokes her head out the door and tells the other cast members, "We'll just be another minute."

Cast member says, "Don't worry take your time."

Kim-"I'm losing my balance, I can't see people---I can't hear. Kim fumbles in her bag looking for something."

Kyle-"You look good...let's go. Your taking long and it looks rude."

Talking head Kim-"Kyle feels there's something wrong, to make more of a spectacle of the situation...especially after three years of sobriety. I'm disappointed."

Brandi / Kim on couch scene:

Brandi-"I know your fine, your sober, but I knew clearly something was wrong. At the time I didn't know what it was. I was just trying to keep you close and protect, you , really. I just felt you were better off with me than her."

Flashback Kyle / Kim bedroom:

Kim-"She feels like she's there for me and your not."

Talking head Kim-"I consider Brandi one of my closest friends and I love that she's supporting me through this. Because I need that support right now. I don't need any fake support or fake stuff, you know?"

Flashback Kyle / Kim bedroom:

Kyle-"She doesn't know four decades of history."

Kim-"no."

Kyle-"Is there something in the night your talking about? I don't know that. You haven't shared that with me."

Kim-"It's not just nights. It's middle of the night."

Back to couch scene Kim / Brandi:

Brandi-"Kyle, where were you all those nights she was having trauma and I called you and you were like, I can't help you. That's the Kyle I remember. The Kyle that said, It's just Kim."

"You know what I'm like....mmmm."

Talking head Kim-"You need to make time with the people you love and I feel sometime my sister doesn't have enough time for me and it hurts my feelings. Because sometime I really need her."

izabella · February 17, 2015

All I know is that Kyle has said as little as possible about Kim using and falling off the wagon and whatnot, while Brandi brings it up quite freely and Kim isn't mad at Brandi but is livid with Kyle.

Who knows? It's probably all scripted anyway.

Sincerely Yours · February 17, 2015

I didn't think the 2am phone call was such a big deal either. Like you I thought Brandi was using it as an example of "she called me and not you - I was there for her - you were not." I was surprised that Kyle pursued it and at the time thought it was Kyle trying to get Brandi to break a confidence by revealing the specifics of the call.

I should probably watch the episode again. I must have missed something.

No you didn't miss anything. Brandi was describing that she get late night calls from Kim. Now that I've seen it a few more times due to these marathons and me trying to clean my room without much distraction (leaving this on in the background keeps me from getting too involved since I've seen it already but I still need my tv on) Brandi really is just referring to where her and kim's relationship is. It takes on a life of it's own once kyle decided to specify which call she was getting dinged for meanwhile Brandi was describing her point in a more general way and wasn't specifiying that ONE particular call. kyle whittles it down to that specific call which is why I can easily see where kims reaction is coming from. The next episode they pretty much spell out why kim is upset complete with flashbacks to the exchange so I found pretty easy to follow the logic of kim and Brandi especially after the flashbacks accompany what is being said by kim outside. She's not confused or in denial she saw it like I saw it. Brandi explaining why she feels she is in fact relevant in kims life and why and kim isn't reacting badly at all to what brandi is saying which she's hearing all of it so obviously brandi wasn't overstepping any boundaries and it's when kyle goes there by suggesting brandi elaborate both Brandi and kim I feel are generally surprised at the route kyle is taking there. No you didn't miss anything. If you see it without all the bias against kim and brandi the way it goes down is pretty straight forward but you add history and perceptions of who is saying what and it can easily get turned into some thought out CIA level of conspiracy that no one is usually in possession of in the moment of a heated discussion. But hey Brandi must be some covert operative of epic proportions to orchestra such a scandal.

Avaleigh · February 17, 2015

Is it her duty to inform us of her medical issues? It's really none of anyone's business. I suspect she is keeping the truth from us but I suspect Yolanda is too. It really doesn't matter and we are never going to be privy to their actual medical history.

Kim is the one who is putting these inconsistent stories out there so it's Kim's fault that's she's being called on her lies and inconsistencies. I was going to say partial truths but that just seems way too generous all things considered. It isn't Kim's duty to inform the audience of her medical issues but when she chooses to do so and then contradicts herself and puts things out there that come across as obvious lies to many viewers then it's only natural that this would become a topic of discussion. Kim wants us to believe that she's still sober in spite of all of the evidence to the contrary and thinks that if people aren't privy to her medical records or if they aren't a doctor or an intervention/addiction specialist that they should refrain from forming their own opinion about her situation. Maybe it is harsh and judgmental of me but I honestly don't think I need to see Kim's medical records to know that she is a serious addict and that we have repeatedly seen her under the influence through her participation on this show.

As far as it not being anyone's business--to borrow a line from Brandi, I feel like Kim has made it the world's business by putting her unfortunate behavior out there in the first place. Kim's behavior is rude and unacceptable and Kim wants us to believe that there are innocent explanations for why she behaves the way that she does. When Kim decides to treat people as though they shouldn't comment on seeing what's right in front of them it feels a little insulting so I can completely understand LisaR's frustration at being forced to deal with high Kim and not getting an apology let alone any acknowledgement from Kim regarding the inappropriateness of her behavior.

I would have a lot more patience and sympathy for Kim if she would just recognize more of her behavior, take some ownership, feel apologetic, realize that she's often unpleasant to be around, and just show some kind of remorse for the way she treats people.

motorcitymom65 · February 17, 2015

No you didn't miss anything. Brandi was describing that she get late night calls from Kim. Now that I've seen it a few more times due to these marathons and me trying to clean my room without much distraction (leaving this on in the background keeps me from getting too involved since I've seen it already but I still need my tv on) Brandi really is just referring to where her and kim's relationship is. It takes on a life of it's own once kyle decided to specify which call she was getting dinged for meanwhile Brandi was describing her point in a more general way and wasn't specifiying that ONE particular call. kyle whittles it down to that specific call which is why I can easily see where kims reaction is coming from. The next episode they pretty much spell out why kim is upset complete with flashbacks to the exchange so I found pretty easy to follow the logic of kim and Brandi especially after the flashbacks accompany what is being said by kim outside. She's not confused or in denial she saw it like I saw it. Brandi explaining why she feels she is in fact relevant in kims life and why and kim isn't reacting badly at all to what brandi is saying which she's hearing all of it so obviously brandi wasn't overstepping any boundaries and it's when kyle goes there by suggesting brandi elaborate both Brandi and kim I feel are generally surprised at the route kyle is taking there. No you didn't miss anything. If you see it without all the bias against kim and brandi the way it goes down is pretty straight forward but you add history and perceptions of who is saying what and it can easily get turned into some thought out CIA level of conspiracy that no one is usually in possession of in the moment of a heated discussion. But hey Brandi must be some covert operative of epic proportions to orchestra such a scandal.

Brandi is not using the phone calls as an example of how close she and Kim have gotten, IMO. She is using them to illustrate how Kyle is not there for her sister. This was the reason they came up to begin with. Brandi wants the world to know that Kim is lonely, or high, or distressed, or something, and instead of calling Kyle she is calling Brandi. She is calling Brandi because Kyle doesn't care. The whole point is to make Kyle look like a terrible sister, and if outing Kim's frantic phone calls will help her achieve this objective, Brandi will do that. This is what Kyle was trying to make Kim see. That Brandi is so desperate to come between them that she will throw out confidential information if necessary.

AnnA · February 17, 2015

No you didn't miss anything. If you see it without all the bias against kim and brandi the way it goes down is pretty straight forward but you add history and perceptions of who is saying what and it can easily get turned into some thought out CIA level of conspiracy that no one is usually in possession of in the moment of a heated discussion. But hey Brandi must be some covert operative of epic proportions to orchestra such a scandal.

Thanks for saying that. I realize that Brandi often acts/reacts inappropriately and deserves to be in the hot seat on the show and this forum for many reasons. If we take everything that's happened in the context of filming, Brandi didn't actually "out" Kim the way she's been portrayed. If in fact it is true that the cast members don't see the episodes until a week before they air, no one knew Brandi actually said that Kim fell off the wagon in a TH or to her friend until recently and this was all filmed last fall. It's unlikely that the cast members were present when Brandi filmed her TH or were at her house when she was talking to her friend about Kim. Within the context of filming, Brandi insinuated Kim was in a bad place and needed help during her lunch with LisaR. That said, it will be interesting to see who actually outs Kim on screen tonight, if anyone.

Sincerely Yours · February 17, 2015

Even if it did, if Kim didn't call Kyle why is Kyle expected to drop everything and run to her at 2am?

Because Kyle then wants to insert herself, have opinions, react to Kim in front of others like Kims an embarrassment and affects her which of course she does and has every right to but it sounds like she's just riding on her past support to garner sympathy where in reality kyle has more than likely cut back on her watch dog duties but refuses to let go of guilting kim. What I get from kyle is that kim owes her. It's dripping from my tv screen and hey I get it but how can you expect a person who has what kim has on her plate to make time for such petty nonsense? You believe your sister is hitting a rough patch and your main priority is establishing what your role should be in Kims mind, making her feel epic levels of betrayal because her new friend dissed you??? Like really? Not saying it ain't cause for the silent treatment and stuff but really? kim's supposed to evaluate friendships, family ties, loyal, burdens etc. etc. because your pissed that Brandi called you on your shit and made you look bad?

Kim's right when she says that Kyle puts Kim in the middle of shit like they are in a damn elementary school playground. She did the same thing with Kim when she was fighting with Camille and she put Kim on the spot at the dinner table and Kim didn't know what to say in defense of kyle and I do believe that the reason kim isn't ready to jump in with blind defense of kyle is just that. She knows Kyle and I think she can see the truth of the accusations cause yup that does sound like Kyle so it's that much harder for her to just jump in and follow suit. I know some people think blind loyalty is the way to go but I'm fiercely loyal and I will back my friends but I WILL NOT compromise my integrity to do so. Even for my sister. I mean I find a way to be supportive and I make it clear that I don't agree but hey girl I still got your back cause I am loyal like that and that' not easy for a lot of people. I've even angered my friends cause they be like damn girl can't you just be supportive and tell me what I need to hear and that's when I let them know that I'll ride or die for them absolutely. As long as I get what I need off my chest then yeah I'll make it happen but I've seen a few instances where Kyle has blindsided Kim. Volleyed the ball of to Kim unexpectantly and expected her handle the ball effortlessly and Kim has this expression thats all Ummm, wait Kyle I wasn't ready and I have to shake off my initial impression of this situation which is, I kinda think your guilty and now I can't hide my reaction

motorcitymom65 · February 17, 2015

Thanks for saying that. I realize that Brandi often acts/reacts inappropriately and deserves to be in the hot seat on the show and this forum for many reasons. If we take everything that's happened in the context of filming, Brandi didn't actually "out" Kim the way she's been portrayed. If in fact it is true that the cast members don't see the episodes until a week before they air, no one knew Brandi actually said that Kim fell off the wagon in a TH or to her friend until recently and this was all filmed last fall. It's unlikely that the cast members were present when Brandi filmed her TH or were at her house when she was talking to her friend about Kim. Within the context of filming, Brandi insinuated Kim was in a bad place and needed help during her lunch with LisaR. That said, it will be interesting to see who actually outs Kim on screen tonight, if anyone.

You are correct in that no one really knows that Brandi outed Kim, as she did it in her TH interview, except that she basically told Lisar that she wasn't sober.

I don't think that really has any relevancy, however, as no one has accused Brandi of this. This is not Brandi's big sin to any of these ladies amd not what she is being judged for at all. Brandi is only being accused of things that we have all seen. Acting like a loon and calling Kyle and Lisar "stupid" on Poker Night. Of trying to seperate Kim from Kyle. Of keeping Kim away from Kyle on Poker Night. Of screaming accusations at Kyle about how she is "never" there for her sister. Of screaming at Kim when she went after Kyle in the Limo "so who are you going to call at 2am? A statement which stopped Kim in her tracks and stopped her from going after Kyle. These are the things that she is being accused of and judged for. Yes, Kyle is worried about what Kim might have told her, but that is not the root of the issues.

Sincerely Yours · February 17, 2015

LisaR and Kyle have been friends for a very long time, so she certainly knows Kim's history and likely knows about more recent events than the viewing audience does. I'm sure she's been privy to lots more than we'll ever know. She also saw first-hand how Kim was acting in the car on the way to the poker party. And really - Anyone just watching this show can see that Kim has a problem that needs to be addressed.

So lisa's history with Kyle makes her someone who can speak intelligently about someone else's family history but Brandi doesn't have a clue about Kim and kyles family history cause she get's Kim's side of the story? Oh and because it' only been a 6 month friendship? I think 6 months is long enough to hear plenty of stories and history but kim's the addict and Brandi's the brash one so same logic can't possibly apply.

talula · February 17, 2015

Kyle is very upset Brandi is in Kim's life. On the other hand, Brandi and Kim are a mutual admiration society. Why the dissonance...here's more from S 5:E 12. I hope seeing/reading the show like this helps.

Flash Back Day Before-Kyle & Kim in Bedroom:

Kim-You have been there for me and been an amazing sister and she has been there as a great friend.

Kyle-But, who is she to compare the two, and try to say that I haven't been there?

Talking Head Kyle-I have always been there for my sister Kim and we both know that. And for Brandi to come in after a hot minute to suggest otherwise is a slap in my face.

Flash Back Day Before-Kyle & Kim in Bedroom:

Kyle-You cannot compare the two situations.

Kim-I'm not.

Kyle-Yes, you are. You are right now. Your saying your there as my sister, she's there as my friend. Do you know how rude that is?

Back to Couch Scene-Brandi & Kim:

Brandi-I know she's your sister and I respect that. And you guys have been through it. I feel that you and I have been through more over the summer with the marriage and all this stuff going on.

Talking Head Brandi-Can't be easy watching your ex-husband die in front of you every day. Kim's sober...they're all in one house. It's just not a healthy situation for Kim to be in. I worry about her because I love her.

Back to Couch Scene-Brandi & Kim:

Brandi-She hasn't really been there for you and I have.

Talking Head Brandi-I think Kyle's done. She doesn't really want the burden any more of taking care of Kim.

Flash Back Day Before-Kyle & Kim in Bedroom:

Kim-You're my sister and we've had our ups and downs. But I love you so much.

Kyle-I love you too. I really, really don't trust her (Brandi), Kim. I really don't.

Back to Couch Scene-Brandi & Kim:

Brandi-It's time to get people around you that you can lean on and trust.

Kim-That's right...(smiles.)

Talking Head Kim-Being a friend you have each others back that just comes with loving each other, and protecting each other. And Brandi is on my side.

Back to Couch Scene-Brandi & Kim:

Brandi-That's right.

Flash Back Day Before-Kyle & Kim in Bedroom:

Kim-On the road to recovery.

Kyle-Yes, you need to get ready for my gay mixer.

Kim-I wanna...oooh. Tomorrow night. (Was Kim going to blurt out she wanted to invite Brandi? But was told by the director not to)

Back to Couch Scene-Brandi & Kim:

Kim-Why don't you and I grab Mark to go? It will be a good way to break the ice.

Brandi-I'm going to break something on her.

Kim-Your kidding.

Brandi- I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

Flash Back Day Before-Kyle & Kim in Bedroom:

Kim-You've always been my best friend. Since we were little I've taken care of you. You've taken care of me. Nobody can come between us at the end of the day.

Both sisters are teary eyed and hug.

Kim-I love you.

Edited February 17, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

Higgins · February 17, 2015

Kyle is very upset Brandi is in Kim's life. On the other hand, Brandi and Kim are a mutual admiration society. Why the dissonance...here's more from S 5:E 12. I hope seeing/reading the show like this helps.

Flash Back Day Before-Kyle & Kim in Bedroom:

Kim-You have been there for me and been an amazing sister and she has been there as a great friend.

Kyle-But, who is she to compare the two, and try to say that I haven't been there?

Talking Head Kyle-I have always been there for my sister Kim and we both know that. And for Brandi to come in after a hot minute to suggest otherwise is a slap in my face.

Flash Back Day Before-Kyle & Kim in Bedroom:

Kyle-You cannot compare the two situations.

Kim-I'm not.

Kyle-Yes, you are. You are right now. Your saying your there as my sister, she's there as my friend. Do you know how rude that is?

Back to Couch Scene-Brandi & Kim:

Brandi-I know she's your sister and I respect that. And you guys have been through it. I feel that you and I have been through more over the summer with the marriage and all this stuff going on.

Talking Head Brandi-Can't be easy watching your ex-husband die in front of you every day. Kim's sober...they're all in one house. It's just not a healthy situation for Kim to be in. I worry about her because I love her.

Back to Couch Scene-Brandi & Kim:

Brandi-She hasn't really been there for you and I have.

Talking Head Brandi-I think Kyle's done. She doesn't really want the burden any more of taking care of Kim.

Flash Back Day Before-Kyle & Kim in Bedroom:

Kim-You're my sister and we've had our ups and downs. But I love you so much.

Kyle-I love you too. I really, really don't trust her (Brandi), Kim. I really don't.

Back to Couch Scene-Brandi & Kim:

Brandi-It's time to get people around you that you can lean on and trust.

Kim-That's right...(smiles.)

Talking Head Kim-Being a friend you have each others back that just comes with loving each other, and protecting each other. And Brandi is on my side.

Back to Couch Scene-Brandi & Kim:

Brandi-That's right.

Flash Back Day Before-Kyle & Kim in Bedroom:

Kim-On the road to recovery.

Kyle-Yes, you need to get ready for my gay mixer.

Kim-I wanna...oooh. Tomorrow night. (Was Kim going to blurt out she wanted to invite Brandi? But was told by the director not to)

Back to Couch Scene-Brandi & Kim:

Kim-Why don't you and I grab Mark to go? It will be a good way to break the ice.

Brandi-I'm going to break something on her.

Kim-Your kidding.

Brandi- I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

Flash Back Day Before-Kyle & Kim in Bedroom:

Kim-You've always been my best friend. Since we were little I've taken care of you. You've taken care of me. Nobody can come between us at the end of the day.

Both sisters are teary eyed and hug.

Kim-I love you.

This is very helpful. It is a very different perception just to read what was actually said in the moment.

Watermelon · February 17, 2015

Because Kyle then wants to insert herself, have opinions, react to Kim in front of others like Kims an embarrassment and affects her which of course she does and has every right to but it sounds like she's just riding on her past support to garner sympathy where in reality kyle has more than likely cut back on her watch dog duties but refuses to let go of guilting kim. What I get from kyle is that kim owes her. It's dripping from my tv screen and hey I get it but how can you expect a person who has what kim has on her plate to make time for such petty nonsense? You believe your sister is hitting a rough patch and your main priority is establishing what your role should be in Kims mind, making her feel epic levels of betrayal because her new friend dissed you??? Like really? Not saying it ain't cause for the silent treatment and stuff but really? kim's supposed to evaluate friendships, family ties, loyal, burdens etc. etc. because your pissed that Brandi called you on your shit and made you look bad?

Kim's right when she says that Kyle puts Kim in the middle of shit like they are in a damn elementary school playground. She did the same thing with Kim when she was fighting with Camille and she put Kim on the spot at the dinner table and Kim didn't know what to say in defense of kyle and I do believe that the reason kim isn't ready to jump in with blind defense of kyle is just that. She knows Kyle and I think she can see the truth of the accusations cause yup that does sound like Kyle so it's that much harder for her to just jump in and follow suit. I know some people think blind loyalty is the way to go but I'm fiercely loyal and I will back my friends but I WILL NOT compromise my integrity to do so. Even for my sister. I mean I find a way to be supportive and I make it clear that I don't agree but hey girl I still got your back cause I am loyal like that and that' not easy for a lot of people. I've even angered my friends cause they be like damn girl can't you just be supportive and tell me what I need to hear and that's when I let them know that I'll ride or die for them absolutely. As long as I get what I need off my chest then yeah I'll make it happen but I've seen a few instances where Kyle has blindsided Kim. Volleyed the ball of to Kim unexpectantly and expected her handle the ball effortlessly and Kim has this expression thats all Ummm, wait Kyle I wasn't ready and I have to shake off my initial impression of this situation which is, I kinda think your guilty and now I can't hide my reaction

You said a lot. My issue with Kim and Kyle is Kim looks at shitty behavior of both Kyle and Brandi and magically only sees what Kyle did.

That's a sign of someone who just doesn't want to give their sister any benefit of the doubt and it's rude and it's disrespectful, especially coming on the heels of a bed convo where she calls her sister her best friend. As my best friend don't you ever sit there while YOUR friend says my husband doesn't want me and you just sit at a table staring into space. Even if you don't have my back and defend me with words, have the goddamn wherewithal to move your friend who wasn't even invited out of my party.

Umbelina · February 17, 2015

I'm not a medical professional or pharmacist but I have been a patient. Do doctors ever prescribe three kinds of antibiotics to anyone?

Sequentially, yes. If the first doesn't work, and the 2nd doesn't work. It happened to me. I went through 4 different progressively stronger kinds of AB one miserable 4 months in the early 90s. Not all at once.

All I know is that Kyle has said as little as possible about Kim using and falling off the wagon and whatnot, while Brandi brings it up quite freely and Kim isn't mad at Brandi but is livid with Kyle.

Who knows? It's probably all scripted anyway.

Kyle doesn't have to. Her good buddy Lipsa is doing it for her.

Coincidence?

I don't think so.

AnnA · February 17, 2015

You said a lot. My issue with Kim and Kyle is Kim looks at shitty behavior of both Kyle and Brandi and magically only sees what Kyle did.

That's a sign of someone who just doesn't want to give their sister any benefit of the doubt and it's rude and it's disrespectful, especially coming on the heels of a bed convo where she calls her sister her best friend. As my best friend don't you ever sit there while YOUR friend says my husband doesn't want me and you just sit at a table staring into space. Even if you don't have my back and defend me with words, have the goddamn wherewithal to move your friend who wasn't even invited out of my party.

I think we have to remember that Kim was the one who brought Brandi to Kyle's party and I believe she did it intentionnally to upset Kyle. The Richard sisters' issues go far deeper than anything we've seen on RHOBH. Love her or hate her, Brandi was the one who decided they should leave. As far as Kim not acknowledging Brandi's low-blow comment about Kyle and her husband, Kim claimed she didn't hear it but even if that's not true (and so much of what Kim says falls into that category) Kim may love Kyle because they're sisters but she doesn't like Kyle at all. Edited February 17, 2015 by AnnA

MatildaMoody · February 17, 2015

Kyle is very upset Brandi is in Kim's life. On the other hand, Brandi and Kim are a mutual admiration society. Why the dissonance...

This is what confuses me. Prior to Poker Night Kyle did not see any issue with Brandi being in Kim's life. Kyle was even being friendlier to Brandi. In the limo ride over, Kyle even seemed appreciative of Brandi being so understanding with the issues she and Kim were having. I don't think the issue is Brandi being involved in Kim's life. I think Kyle had accepted that and was making an effort to be inclusive where Brandi was concerned.

I think her real issue is that Brandi is belittling her relationship and history with Kim under the guise of being Kim's BFF. Is there any reason that Brandi can't be Kim's friend while not trashing her relationship with Kyle? Let's remove Brandi's history of firebombing friendships and Kim's less than credible history due to her addictions.

If Brandi is Kim's friend and support system through all of the non addiction related things that Kim has going on, why does she even need to bring up Kyle's involvement? Obviously, we can't ignore that Kim is actually an addict and by her own omission she used again which would mean she did indeed fall off the wagon. But, I think the same thing applies. Why does her friendship with Kim have to come at the expense of Kim's relationship with her sister? And make no mistake Brandi started lobbing grenades out of nowhere on this. Kyle and Brandi had no issue going into Poker Night.

So, unless there is something else that happened between Kyle and Brandi that simply wasn't shown during Poker Night, this animosity from Brandi came completely out of nowhere. If there was nothing other than the events of Poker Night, why did Brandi take it upon herself to disparage Kyle as a sister in such an ugly and public way?

AnnA · February 17, 2015

Sequentially, yes. If the first doesn't work, and the 2nd doesn't work. It happened to me. I went through 4 different progressively stronger kinds of AB one miserable 4 months in the early 90s. Not all at once.

OK that makes sense but to me the length of Kim's alleged "illness" just didn't seem long enough for the doctors to determine that two anti-biotics weren't working........one maybe but two? I'm not knowledgeable enough about it to know. I didn't realize they could tell so quickly.

talula · February 17, 2015

Sequentially, yes. If the first doesn't work, and the 2nd doesn't work. It happened to me. I went through 4 different progressively stronger kinds of AB one miserable 4 months in the early 90s. Not all at once.

Kyle doesn't have to. Her good buddy Lipsa is doing it for her.

Coincidence?

I don't think so.

ITA, LisaR could be Kyle's truth cannon and Kim seems well aware of this. Kyle's hands seem clean to the audience. Sounds a little like past seasons LisaV who Kyle called manipulative...except LisaR is being used against her "sister Kim" on public TV. Maybe that's why Kim forgives Brandi for any discretions against her sister??

Sincerely Yours · February 17, 2015

I get that there's a lot of rudeness being thrown around. Absolutely but then to tie all these rude moments in with the more serious addiction issue is where it rings unacceptable to me. The big picture is kyles mad at kim about her inability to do that whole "don't mess with my sister" alliance and is offended. I get it and it's understandable but to then make it such a display of years and years of history. Sister love and loyalty that is what? Thrown out the window because kim doesn't react the way kyle wants her to react because of all the years she has been there to help and support kim in her recovery? I think that's overkill and is out of proportion for what the specific problem is. Bickering between sisters and an unwelcome new friend getting folded into the long damaged relationship between the sisters, I think is just overkill and unnecessary not to mention ridiculous and an insult to the bigger picture. I feel sorry for kim because it seems that whenever she has a fall out with kyle it ALWAYS gets taken back to her addiction and a lot of that is by kyle herself. Can't she address problems with her sister without it always coming back to her years and years of suffering and kim's battles with addiction. Even if a portion of the current issues have something to do with a slip by kim or not why on earth does it need to be sooooooo highlighted and the angst be revisited to such an extreme degree? I feel like kim does have to live her life on eggshells because if she does slip or even if she doesn't but behaves in a way that brings up warning bells (which doesn't seem to take a lot) Kim has to therefore answer for a lot. I have nothing against trying to help and addict by not pretending and all that but it's not for every tom dick and harry to make mention of these things in the "attempt" face the issue head on. Being cast mates on a show doesn't mean that all decorum or etiquette be thrown out the window and automatic jurisdiction be assigned to anyone who's been privy to Kim's strange behavior in the course of filming. I just find everyone's "concern" to be sooooooooo disingenuous and coming from a very bad place of misconceived entitlement. It leaves a very bad taste in my mouth and I find it hard to be on board with. From what has been shown it does seem that Brandi is very involved in kims day to day life so I believe her position holds a lot more weight than the others that are arrogant or stupid enough to think that their input should have any relevance whatsoever especially since the way they insert themselves is so freaking premature and not thought out as well. I mean at the very least if these women decide to insert themselves I would expect to see a whole lot more care and preparation involved before attacking such a serious issue in another persons life. I really criticize the ridiculous missteps that would most likely not happen if they were not on a reality show. I think it's irresponsible cause I know damn well these women wouldn't handle a similar situation with a loved on outside of filming in such a haphazard way and that's what really angers me.

charming · February 17, 2015

Or maybe Lisa R is witnessing live and in color the antics of Brandi & Kim. In all their drunken pill popping wine throwing glory, she says,"Wow, these girls need some help."

Not everything has to be a conspiracy or some master plan from evil Kyle.

AnnA · February 17, 2015

So, unless there is something else that happened between Kyle and Brandi that simply wasn't shown during Poker Night, this animosity from Brandi came completely out of nowhere. If there was nothing other than the events of Poker Night, why did Brandi take it upon herself to disparage Kyle as a sister in such an ugly and public way?

Perhaps it's because Kim fed Brandi something about Kyle.

ITA, LisaR could be Kyle's truth cannon and Kim seems well aware of this. Kyle's hands seem clean to the audience. Sounds a little like past seasons LisaV who Kyle called manipulative...except LisaR is being used against her "sister Kim" on public TV. Maybe that's why Kim forgives Brandi for any discretions against her sister??

Isn't it possible that Kim is using Brandi against Kyle just like Kyle is using LisaR as her truth canon? We have to remember these two are sisters and may have learned this tactic from their mother.

Umbelina · February 17, 2015

I really think this is what happened.

Last season Kyle finally succeeded in doing what she's been trying to do since Lisa V emerged as the Queen of this particular bunch, and Kyle, the loathed selfish bitch after attacking Kim in the limo. She brought Lisa down.

How did Kyle do that? Secret weapon Brandi. Brandi was actually friends with Lisa. However, Lisa kept bringing Sheannaea around, and as we all know, there is no way Brandi is over being pregnant and having that woman not only be fucking her husband during that time, but also going on TV to talk about it. I think Kyle kept planting little affirmations to Brandi's mounting resentment of Lisa promoting her show on Brandi's pain. "It's weird that Lisa keeps blindsiding you like that, it must really hurt Brandi." progressing to Kyle sharing all of Lisa's past hurts to Kyle, and "that's just who she is" or "she keeps getting away with doing this to us" and then zeroing back in on how awful it is for Brandi's supposed FRIEND to exploit her pain. In other words, nudging it along.

Kyle is the one who made sure that Carlton was not invited to Puerto Rico, according to Carlton's interviews and blogs. Why? Because Kyle had rallied everyone to be anti-Lisa. I don't believe Brandi is organized or smart enough to have rallied the others, and Kyle is the one who has been trying to do this for YEARS. Kim was easy, just remind her that Lisa didn't even bother to come to the party she threw, and the whole Europe thing. Yo? Who knows? They seem to have issues going back to Mohammed.

So, anyway, Kim was all happy, she wasn't the one being attacked, and the women (not Lisa and Carlton) banded together. Kim and Brandi became closer because of that.

Flash forward to now, this season.

Kyle is done with Brandi, but Kim didn't get the memo. Kyle has always hated Brandi, she simply used her to take Lisa down a few pegs, and probably planned to dump her/go back to hating her as soon as that was done. After all, she wasn't going to be friends with the crass Brandi, she was merely a tool. So Kim and Brandi remained friends.

Monty is dying. Two wedding to plan. All kinds of trouble about Kim's dog. Kim begins to panic, and Kyle is over it. So Kim calls Brandi in the middle of the night when it's all too much, and they become closer. During one call Brandi was frightened enough to call Kyle, and Kyle ignored the cry for help. Brandi doesn't want to be Kim's only lifeline, but doesn't want to leave her with no one to call, all alone, amid all of the death/dog/wedding stuff either.

Brandi begins to resent Kyle, and suspects (and personally, I think this is true) that Kyle will begin acting caring and concerned for Kim once cameras start rolling. Brandi is now carrying the Kim burden Kyle dropped, oh, and surprise surprise! Friends with Lisa again! Brandi beginning to realize Kyle is over her, she's no use to Kyle anymore. I don't know if she gets that Kyle used her like a machine gun to wound Lisa or not.

So, Kyle acts all concerned for Kim, AND tries to get it all on camera on Poker night. Brandi's suspicions are confirmed. She tries to get Kim out of there, to avoid further humiliation for Kim on camera, but Kyle repeatedly grabs her and makes a scene.

That's what I really feel is happening here.

It makes all of them wrong, for different reasons.

I would have no problem with Kyle being over Kim's issues. Or with Kyle not wanting to deal with them anymore. That is totally understandable, and probably a healthy choice. What I DO have a problem with is pretending concern ON CAMERA, but ignoring Kim off camera. I also have a problem with Kyle once again using someone to do her dirty work. This season? Lipsa. I don't even blame Lipsa, and I doubt she even knows she's been conned into being Kyle's mouthpiece here. But IMO, she has. Big time.

Meanwhile dumbo Kim is all, "Wait, LAST season it was OK to be friends with Brandi? Remember all those meetings we had to bad mouth Lisa and make our Puerto Rico attack plans? She's our friend, right? Huh?" Also, Brandi IS the one who takes Kim's calls when she's scared and panicked. Kyle no longer does. Forcing Kim to choose the (absent) Kyle, over the (there for her) Brandi is somehow very cruel to me.

WireWrap · February 17, 2015

No you didn't miss anything. Brandi was describing that she get late night calls from Kim. Now that I've seen it a few more times due to these marathons and me trying to clean my room without much distraction (leaving this on in the background keeps me from getting too involved since I've seen it already but I still need my tv on) Brandi really is just referring to where her and kim's relationship is. It takes on a life of it's own once kyle decided to specify which call she was getting dinged for meanwhile Brandi was describing her point in a more general way and wasn't specifiying that ONE particular call. kyle whittles it down to that specific call which is why I can easily see where kims reaction is coming from. The next episode they pretty much spell out why kim is upset complete with flashbacks to the exchange so I found pretty easy to follow the logic of kim and Brandi especially after the flashbacks accompany what is being said by kim outside. She's not confused or in denial she saw it like I saw it. Brandi explaining why she feels she is in fact relevant in kims life and why and kim isn't reacting badly at all to what brandi is saying which she's hearing all of it so obviously brandi wasn't overstepping any boundaries and it's when kyle goes there by suggesting brandi elaborate both Brandi and kim I feel are generally surprised at the route kyle is taking there. No you didn't miss anything. If you see it without all the bias against kim and brandi the way it goes down is pretty straight forward but you add history and perceptions of who is saying what and it can easily get turned into some thought out CIA level of conspiracy that no one is usually in possession of in the moment of a heated discussion. But hey Brandi must be some covert operative of epic proportions to orchestra such a scandal.

Actually, Brandi accused Kyle of not being there for Kim. It had nothing to do with Kim calling Brandi at 2 am or any other time, it had nothing to do with Brandi and Kim becoming BFFs, it had everything to do with Brandi telling Kim that Kyle has never been there for her, her words, not mine. For what ever reason, Brandi is intent on destroying any relationship Kim and Kyle have and it is working IMO.

Brandi is not using the phone calls as an example of how close she and Kim have gotten, IMO. She is using them to illustrate how Kyle is not there for her sister. This was the reason they came up to begin with. Brandi wants the world to know that Kim is lonely, or high, or distressed, or something, and instead of calling Kyle she is calling Brandi. She is calling Brandi because Kyle doesn't care. The whole point is to make Kyle look like a terrible sister, and if outing Kim's frantic phone calls will help her achieve this objective, Brandi will do that. This is what Kyle was trying to make Kim see. That Brandi is so desperate to come between them that she will throw out confidential information if necessary.

THIS, EXACTLY!

So lisa's history with Kyle makes her someone who can speak intelligently about someone else's family history but Brandi doesn't have a clue about Kim and kyles family history cause she get's Kim's side of the story? Oh and because it' only been a 6 month friendship? I think 6 months is long enough to hear plenty of stories and history but kim's the addict and Brandi's the brash one so same logic can't possibly apply.

Lisa R's own experience with family addiction and her own experience with Kim when she was high, poker night/limo ride, gave her the right to speak about Kim's current drug use. Logic, Kim and Brandi do not go together, ever. LOL

Umbelina · February 17, 2015

OK that makes sense but to me the length of Kim's alleged "illness" just didn't seem long enough for the doctors to determine that two anti-biotics weren't working........one maybe but two? I'm not knowledgeable enough about it to know. I didn't realize they could tell so quickly.

We don't know how long she was sick. Bronchitis, then turning into pneumonia, both can really linger for months. Mine was Bronchitis, then strep, then pneumonia on top of the strep. You can tell when your temp soars a few days after you finish the last AB, or if the AB doesn't control your temp, breathing worsens, lung scans worsen, many ways. At least that was my case.

I was sick for a LONG time, with days of feeling better mixed in, but the minute I finished the AB, it soared back. The first time we just did another round of the same (first) AB about 3 days after I stopped the first round and my temp jumped back up to 103. It was miserable. Anyway, the only point was, sometimes one AB won't work, and another will.

(Mine was hiding from the AB in my kidneys, eventually we flushed it out of there and the AB killed the little suckers!) ha.

There was a nasty strain of pneumonia going around the Pacific Coast last year. My friend, who never gets sick, got it. The doctor put her on Z pac, which did nothing. Two weeks after that, Augmentin for 10 days, which really helped. She was pretty out of it for about 6 weeks. It was more of a "walking pneumonia," but it sucked.

Edited February 17, 2015 by Umbelina

Higgins · February 17, 2015

OK that makes sense but to me the length of Kim's alleged "illness" just didn't seem long enough for the doctors to determine that two anti-biotics weren't working........one maybe but two? I'm not knowledgeable enough about it to know. I didn't realize they could tell so quickly.

First they may try an antibiotic and it may not be effective, then they might go with another that doesn't work while they are waiting on culture and senstivity which can take several days .

Avaleigh · February 17, 2015

You are correct in that no one really knows that Brandi outed Kim, as she did it in her TH interview, except that she basically told Lisar that she wasn't sober.

Adding to what MCM was saying, Kim knows now that Brandi did indeed out her relapse and yet Kim's blog is full of criticism of Kyle and LisaR. It doesn't matter if Kim didn't know that Brandi outed her during filming because she knows now and there has been no criticism of Brandi for it. She has the most criticism for LisaR and IMO it's because LisaR isn't buying into any of Kim's nonsense. Kim knows full well that LisaR saw her ass high and it seems like she can't forgive her for it. Kim's paranoia about what she thinks LisaR might have told Kyle about that car ride to Eileen's was palpable and I'm sure the unedited footage was worse than what we saw.

MatildaMoody · February 17, 2015

Perhaps it's because Kim fed Brandi something about Kyle.

That's entirely possible, and I wouldn't put it past Kim to say that Kyle isn't there for her when she needs her. It's just all so jarring and out of nowhere. Brandi and Kyle were fine in the limo. Kim tells Kyle that she took a pill in the bathroom and then after that she tells Brandi that Kyle made her uncomfortable. Brandi tries to hustle Kim out after Kim throws some bait Kyle's way. How did the scenario go from Kyle being appreciative of Brandi being supportive of Kim (as she was in the limo) to Brandi claiming that Kyle is NEVER there for her sister?

Obviously, Kim is playing both sides against the other so they can compete over her, but it doesn't explain Brandi's behavior.It seems to me that one person simply saying, "why don't you two talk when you have had a chance to calm down?" to Kyle and Kim would have calmed the situation down without Brandi even needing to be involved. I feel like Kim is playing a really sick game with the two of them as a way of deflecting from her own behavior and both Brandi and Kyle are taking the bait but going after each other rather than confronting Kim about it.

motorcitymom65 · February 17, 2015

I really think this is what happened.

Last season Kyle finally succeeded in doing what she's been trying to do since Lisa V emerged as the Queen of this particular bunch, and Kyle, the loathed selfish bitch after attacking Kim in the limo. She brought Lisa down.

How did Kyle do that? Secret weapon Brandi. Brandi was actually friends with Lisa. However, Lisa kept bringing Sheannaea around, and as we all know, there is no way Brandi is over being pregnant and having that woman not only be fucking her husband during that time, but also going on TV to talk about it. I think Kyle kept planting little affirmations to Brandi's mounting resentment of Lisa promoting her show on Brandi's pain. "It's weird that Lisa keeps blindsiding you like that, it must really hurt Brandi." progressing to Kyle sharing all of Lisa's past hurts to Kyle, and "that's just who she is" or "she keeps getting away with doing this to us" and then zeroing back in on how awful it is for Brandi's supposed FRIEND to exploit her pain. In other words, nudging it along.

Kyle is the one who made sure that Carlton was not invited to Puerto Rico, according to Carlton's interviews and blogs. Why? Because Kyle had rallied everyone to be anti-Lisa. I don't believe Brandi is organized or smart enough to have rallied the others, and Kyle is the one who has been trying to do this for YEARS. Kim was easy, just remind her that Lisa didn't even bother to come to the party she threw, and the whole Europe thing. Yo? Who knows? They seem to have issues going back to Mohammed.

So, anyway, Kim was all happy, she wasn't the one being attacked, and the women (not Lisa and Carlton) banded together. Kim and Brandi became closer because of that.

Flash forward to now, this season.

Kyle is done with Brandi, but Kim didn't get the memo. Kyle has always hated Brandi, she simply used her to take Lisa down a few pegs, and probably planned to dump her/go back to hating her as soon as that was done. After all, she wasn't going to be friends with the crass Brandi, she was merely a tool. So Kim and Brandi remained friends.

Monty is dying. Two wedding to plan. All kinds of trouble about Kim's dog. Kim begins to panic, and Kyle is over it. So Kim calls Brandi in the middle of the night when it's all too much, and they become closer. During one call Brandi was frightened enough to call Kyle, and Kyle ignored the cry for help. Brandi doesn't want to be Kim's only lifeline, but doesn't want to leave her with no one to call, all alone, amid all of the death/dog/wedding stuff either.

Brandi begins to resent Kyle, and suspects (and personally, I think this is true) that Kyle will begin acting caring and concerned for Kim once cameras start rolling. Brandi is now carrying the Kim burden Kyle dropped, oh, and surprise surprise! Friends with Lisa again! Brandi beginning to realize Kyle is over her, she's no use to Kyle anymore. I don't know if she gets that Kyle used her like a machine gun to wound Lisa or not.

So, Kyle acts all concerned for Kim, AND tries to get it all on camera on Poker night. Brandi's suspicions are confirmed. She tries to get Kim out of there, to avoid further humiliation for Kim on camera, but Kyle repeatedly grabs her and makes a scene.

That's what I really feel is happening here.

It makes all of them wrong, for different reasons.

I would have no problem with Kyle being over Kim's issues. Or with Kyle not wanting to deal with them anymore. That is totally understandable, and probably a healthy choice. What I DO have a problem with is pretending concern ON CAMERA, but ignoring Kim off camera. I also have a problem with Kyle once again using someone to do her dirty work. This season? Lipsa. I don't even blame Lipsa, and I doubt she even knows she's been conned into being Kyle's mouthpiece here. But IMO, she has. Big time.

Meanwhile dumbo Kim is all, "Wait, LAST season it was OK to be friends with Brandi? Remember all those meetings we had to bad mouth Lisa and make our Puerto Rico attack plans? She's our friend, right? Huh?" Also, Brandi IS the one who takes Kim's calls when she's scared and panicked. Kyle no longer does. Forcing Kim to choose the (absent) Kyle, over the (there for her) Brandi is somehow very cruel to me.

Huh?

I guess we can imagine that Kyle was the one nudging Brandi to get all pissy at Lisa, or we can just revisit the footage from the show. After all, we can speculate on things we didn't see all day long, but there are some things that we saw and we know.

Did we ever see Kyle encouraging Brandi in her wrath against Scheana? How in the world can Brandi's anger over Scheana be made to be Kyle's fault? What we do know is that Lisa and Kyle were starting to get along. We heard Brandi say in her TH that she found this odd given all of the shit that Lisa had said about Kyle (actually what she said was that Lisa had never had one good thing to ever say about Kyle).

We know that Brandi started to get nervous because Lisa wasn't calling her anymore. We know this was bugging Brandi because she said that it was. Then she decided to tell Kyle that she was hurt when they went for their hike. She also decided to remind Kyle of all that Lisa had done. She reminded her of the things Lisa had said about Kyle and Mauricio and their ethics. She reminded her that Lisa had said this in response to Kyle's defense of Adrienne. Then she told Kyle that while Lisa never told her to reveal the surrogacy, Lisa hated Adrienne and wanted her gone. Brandi hinted that she said what she said about Adrienne to make Lisa happy. Then she said the perfect thing to Kyle. She told Kyle that she had been right all along - that Lisa was manipulative.

This is what happened. This is what we saw. The words might not be 100% correct, but this is how it all went down. Not with Kyle trying to provoke Brandi into hurting Lisa by reminding her of the Scheana deal, but with Brandi trying to get under Kyle's skin by reminding her of all that Lisa had done. That is not to say that Kyle was innocent. She should have been much more suspect of Brandi's motives.

Why is it so hard for folks to believe that Brandi could pull something like this off? Didn't she pull off the shit at the S2 reunion by making Lisa believe a "take down" lunch that never even happened was real? Didn't she make everyone believe that Adrienne was suing her? This gal is desperate, and as my mom always told me, there is nothing more dangerous than a desperate person. They will do things and go places that others wouldn't dream of because they have nothing to lose. This is Brandi at her core.

Edited February 17, 2015 by motorcitymom65

talula · February 17, 2015

Perhaps it's because Kim fed Brandi something about Kyle.

Isn't it possible that Kim is using Brandi against Kyle just like Kyle is using LisaR as her truth canon? We have to remember these two are sisters and may have learned this tactic from their mother.

Brandi just doesn't seem to have the same manipulative powers as LisaR, lol.

Umbelina · February 17, 2015

We saw a LOT of it. Including Kyle looked like the cat that swallowed the canary as Brandi, Yo, and Kim attacked Lisa, and Carlton SAID Kyle was the one who made sure she was uninvited. Why? For one reason, someone besides Ken would have been trying to stop the attack.

There is plenty of evidence for my theory, some of which I stated.

More importantly, it explains the Kim/Brandi dynamic THIS season. That's where it began. Much to Kyle's chagrin, Kim and Brandi stayed friendly, something Kyle never intended to happen, since Kyle was going to dump her, her purpose served.

WireWrap · February 17, 2015

I get that there's a lot of rudeness being thrown around. Absolutely but then to tie all these rude moments in with the more serious addiction issue is where it rings unacceptable to me. The big picture is kyles mad at kim about her inability to do that whole "don't mess with my sister" alliance and is offended. I get it and it's understandable but to then make it such a display of years and years of history. Sister love and loyalty that is what? Thrown out the window because kim doesn't react the way kyle wants her to react because of all the years she has been there to help and support kim in her recovery? I think that's overkill and is out of proportion for what the specific problem is. Bickering between sisters and an unwelcome new friend getting folded into the long damaged relationship between the sisters, I think is just overkill and unnecessary not to mention ridiculous and an insult to the bigger picture. I feel sorry for kim because it seems that whenever she has a fall out with kyle it ALWAYS gets taken back to her addiction and a lot of that is by kyle herself. Can't she address problems with her sister without it always coming back to her years and years of suffering and kim's battles with addiction. Even if a portion of the current issues have something to do with a slip by kim or not why on earth does it need to be sooooooo highlighted and the angst be revisited to such an extreme degree? I feel like kim does have to live her life on eggshells because if she does slip or even if she doesn't but behaves in a way that brings up warning bells (which doesn't seem to take a lot) Kim has to therefore answer for a lot. I have nothing against trying to help and addict by not pretending and all that but it's not for every tom dick and harry to make mention of these things in the "attempt" face the issue head on. Being cast mates on a show doesn't mean that all decorum or etiquette be thrown out the window and automatic jurisdiction be assigned to anyone who's been privy to Kim's strange behavior in the course of filming. I just find everyone's "concern" to be sooooooooo disingenuous and coming from a very bad place of misconceived entitlement. It leaves a very bad taste in my mouth and I find it hard to be on board with. From what has been shown it does seem that Brandi is very involved in kims day to day life so I believe her position holds a lot more weight than the others that are arrogant or stupid enough to think that their input should have any relevance whatsoever especially since the way they insert themselves is so freaking premature and not thought out as well. I mean at the very least if these women decide to insert themselves I would expect to see a whole lot more care and preparation involved before attacking such a serious issue in another persons life. I really criticize the ridiculous missteps that would most likely not happen if they were not on a reality show. I think it's irresponsible cause I know damn well these women wouldn't handle a similar situation with a loved on outside of filming in such a haphazard way and that's what really angers me.

I get that there's a lot of rudeness being thrown around. Absolutely but then to tie all these rude moments in with the more serious addiction issue is where it rings unacceptable to me. The big picture is kyles mad at kim about her inability to do that whole "don't mess with my sister" alliance and is offended. I get it and it's understandable but to then make it such a display of years and years of history. Sister love and loyalty that is what? Thrown out the window because kim doesn't react the way kyle wants her to react because of all the years she has been there to help and support kim in her recovery? I think that's overkill and is out of proportion for what the specific problem is. Bickering between sisters and an unwelcome new friend getting folded into the long damaged relationship between the sisters, I think is just overkill and unnecessary not to mention ridiculous and an insult to the bigger picture. I feel sorry for kim because it seems that whenever she has a fall out with kyle it ALWAYS gets taken back to her addiction and a lot of that is by kyle herself. Can't she address problems with her sister without it always coming back to her years and years of suffering and kim's battles with addiction. Even if a portion of the current issues have something to do with a slip by kim or not why on earth does it need to be sooooooo highlighted and the angst be revisited to such an extreme degree? I feel like kim does have to live her life on eggshells because if she does slip or even if she doesn't but behaves in a way that brings up warning bells (which doesn't seem to take a lot) Kim has to therefore answer for a lot. I have nothing against trying to help and addict by not pretending and all that but it's not for every tom dick and harry to make mention of these things in the "attempt" face the issue head on. Being cast mates on a show doesn't mean that all decorum or etiquette be thrown out the window and automatic jurisdiction be assigned to anyone who's been privy to Kim's strange behavior in the course of filming. I just find everyone's "concern" to be sooooooooo disingenuous and coming from a very bad place of misconceived entitlement. It leaves a very bad taste in my mouth and I find it hard to be on board with. From what has been shown it does seem that Brandi is very involved in kims day to day life so I believe her position holds a lot more weight than the others that are arrogant or stupid enough to think that their input should have any relevance whatsoever especially since the way they insert themselves is so freaking premature and not thought out as well. I mean at the very least if these women decide to insert themselves I would expect to see a whole lot more care and preparation involved before attacking such a serious issue in another persons life. I really criticize the ridiculous missteps that would most likely not happen if they were not on a reality show. I think it's irresponsible cause I know damn well these women wouldn't handle a similar situation with a loved on outside of filming in such a haphazard way and that's what really angers me.

I do not remember Kyle ever saying/throwing, outside season 1 limo episode, anything to Kim about what she has done when Kim was high/drunk. She has not done that except for that 1 time. Kyle does not keep bringing up Kim's addictions and she did not at the poker party or at the mixer, that was Kim herself and Brandi.

We don't know how long she was sick. Bronchitis, then turning into pneumonia, both can really linger for months. Mine was Bronchitis, then strep, then pneumonia on top of the strep. You can tell when your temp soars a few days after you finish the last AB, or if the AB doesn't control your temp, breathing worsens, lung scans worsen, many ways. At least that was my case.

I was sick for a LONG time, with days of feeling better mixed in, but the minute I finished the AB, it soared back. The first time we just did another round of the same (first) AB about 3 days after I stopped the first round and my temp jumped back up to 103. It was miserable. Anyway, the only point was, sometimes one AB won't work, and another will.

(Mine was hiding from the AB in my kidneys, eventually we flushed it out of there and the AB killed the little suckers!) ha.

There was a nasty strain of pneumonia going around the Pacific Coast last year. My friend, who never gets sick, got it. The doctor put her on Z pac, which did nothing. Two weeks after that, Augmentin for 10 days, which really helped. She was pretty out of it for about 6 weeks. It was more of a "walking pneumonia," but it sucked.

We do know that she was not sick in any of the footage shown before Monty took her to the hospital. She never coughed, look or acted like she was struggling to get over bronchitis and/or pneumonia. Again, you have to accept her entire story despite what we saw and I just can not do that even if I factor in editing, IMO, Kim was not sick, let alone sick enough to warrant a 9 day hospital stay. Notice that only Kim is saying how long the hospital stay was and for all we know, it was a 2 day stay if that. Her actions/behavior tell a very different story than her mouth does IMO.

Huh?

I guess we can imagine that Kyle was the one nudging Brandi to get all pissy at Lisa, or we can just revisit the footage from the show. After all, we can speculate on things we didn't see all day long, but there are some things that we saw and we know.

Did we ever see Kyle encouraging Brandi in her wrath against Scheana? How in the world can Brandi's anger over Scheana be made to be Kyle's fault? What we do know is that Lisa and Kyle were starting to get along. We heard Brandi say in her TH that she found this odd given all of the shit that Lisa had said about Kyle (actually what she said was that Lisa had never had one good thing to ever say about Kyle).

We know that Brandi started to get nervous because Lisa wasn't calling her anymore. We know this was bugging Brandi because she said that it was. Then she decided to tell Kyle that she was hurt when they went for their hike. She also decided to remind Kyle of all that Lisa had done. She reminded her of the things Lisa had said about Kyle and Mauricio and their ethics. She reminded her that Lisa had said this in response to Kyle's defense of Adrienne. Then she told Kyle that while Lisa never told her to reveal the surrogacy, Lisa hated Adrienne and wanted her gone. Brandi hinted that she said what she said about Adrienne to make Lisa happy. Then she said the perfect thing to Kyle. She told Kyle that she had been right all along - that Lisa was manipulative.

This is what happened. This is what we saw. The words might not be 100% correct, but this is how it all went down. Not with Kyle trying to provoke Brandi into hurting Lisa by reminding her of the Scheana deal, but with Brandi trying to get under Kyle's skin by reminding her of all that Lisa had done. That is not to say that Kyle was innocent. She should have been much more suspect of Brandi's motives.

Why is it so hard for folks to believe that Brandi could pull something like this off? Didn't she pull off the shit at the S2 reunion by making Lisa believe a "take down" lunch that never even happened was real? Didn't she make everyone believe that Adrienne was suing her? This gal is desperate, and as my mom always told me, there is nothing more dangerous than a desperate person. They will do things and go places that others wouldn't dream of because they have nothing to lose. This is Brandi at her core.

All roads seem to lead back to Brandi in most of the major HW conflicts since the start of season 3 and it continues to do so this season.

Edited February 17, 2015 by WireWrap

Sincerely Yours · February 17, 2015

Also, Brandi IS the one who takes Kim's calls when she's scared and panicked. Kyle no longer does. Forcing Kim to choose the (absent) Kyle, over the (there for her) Brandi is somehow very cruel to me.

This is what really really bugs me about all of kyles frog crying. Basically Brandi has stepped in where Kyle has decided to step back. It sounds to me that Kim needs to get kyles approval about who steps into the gap that kyle leaves behind and that's just not cool. It's Kyle's right to step back and take a breather and I think the reason she doesn't ever completely cut kim off is because she can't stand the idea of someone else stepping in and possibly succeeding with kim in her absence (not necessarily Brandi) and Kyle is definitely not having any of that. Kyle can't dictate how Kims new friends intergrate into her life and I think Kyle has only inserted herself because she's realized that a part of brandi and kims relationship includes their not so favorable opinion of kyle and kyle as a grown up needs to be okay with that.

Friendships do include sharing and I have really close friends criticize my sister and I've set them straight and at other times I drink in the support they are offering me because their opinions are based off of info I've shared, truth and their caring for me. Kyle has just simplified it as oh my god Kim doesn't have my back and how can she when kim knows that brandi is speaking partly from information that she herself has feed brandi so how does one defend kyle when she's being defending by her friend using kims words and info? Tough place to be in and yes who really believes that people don't vent about their siblings to their friends? Brandi may not be the best choice but it does seem like they are close so I don't see it as being some family betrayal of epic proportions to find out that your sister has shared some shit about you two.

I could understand the need for unconditional support or defense from your sister if the topic didn't center around HER addiction but somehow turned into what you've done for her. I mean who wants to use their own humiliating life as the foundation to give you kudos in defense for such an overblown but petty conflict? "Don't you dare call my sister fat!! She was there for me during my years of addiction! Camille you're lying about my sister! I owe her that because of all the years she had to deal with my addiction...." Give me a break!! It just seems so freaking outlandish. Brandi was talking in real time and trying to prove how close she and kim have become and not necessarily making it about her addiction but about being there for her during the whole Monty, wedding stress that's currently in her life. For the most part that's how Brandi summarizes it. When showing concern or describing kims calls she outlines Monty the wedding, the stress, etc. and even though it's in the air she doesn't go directly to that. She isn't automatically putting that one idea out there cause she officially doesn't know.

Kyle always starts her "concern" with kim with "I've seen this before" or "I've been here before", "Things are looking familiar". There's no question what kyle's alluding to, It's kyle that takes it to the years and years of support and angst and overkill that obviously points to her dealings with Kim and her burdensome years of addiction. I took Brandi's dialogue as benign and not addiction specific whereas I saw Kyles approach as usual being about Kyle and what SHE has done what SHE'S been through and why no one should every have an opinion otherwise of KYLE. I mean it reeks of all about Kyle but Kim doesn't know what day it is and Brandi talks about vaginas so that overshadows just how one note and one track minded Kyle and her frog crying really is.

Edited February 17, 2015 by Sincerely Yours

WireWrap · February 17, 2015

We saw a LOT of it. Including Kyle looked like the cat that swallowed the canary as Brandi, Yo, and Kim attacked Lisa, and Carlton SAID Kyle was the one who made sure she was uninvited. Why? For one reason, someone besides Ken would have been trying to stop the attack.

There is plenty of evidence for my theory, some of which I stated.

More importantly, it explains the Kim/Brandi dynamic THIS season. That's where it began. Much to Kyle's chagrin, Kim and Brandi stayed friendly, something Kyle never intended to happen, since Kyle was going to dump her, her purpose served.

I don't know, I used to think Kyle may have had a hand in it but after seeing Kim and Brandi together I suspect that those 2 were behind it with help from Yolanda, at least while in PR.

Avaleigh · February 17, 2015

We saw a LOT of it. Including Kyle looked like the cat that swallowed the canary as Brandi, Yo, and Kim attacked Lisa, and Carlton SAID Kyle was the one who made sure she was uninvited. Why? For one reason, someone besides Ken would have been trying to stop the attack.

There is plenty of evidence for my theory, some of which I stated.

More importantly, it explains the Kim/Brandi dynamic THIS season. That's where it began. Much to Kyle's chagrin, Kim and Brandi stayed friendly, something Kyle never intended to happen, since Kyle was going to dump her, her purpose served.

Carlton would have been invited if she hadn't continued to treat Kyle so poorly for no reason.

I also disagree that Kyle seemed like she was trying to dump Brandi as a friend. Kyle seemed very taken aback by how aggressive Brandi was being and seemed like she had no idea where Brandi's hostility was coming from.

Umbelina · February 17, 2015

I don't think Kyle "had a hand in it." I think she orchestrated the whole thing. She's been trying to take over Lisa's Queen Bee spot every single season. Last season, she finally brought Lisa to tears, and brought her down.

WireWrap · February 17, 2015

This is what really really bugs me about all of kyles frog crying. Basically Brandi has stepped in where Kyle has decided to step back. It sounds to me that Kim needs to get kyles approval about who steps into the gap that kyle leaves behind and that's just not cool. It's Kyle's right to step back and take a breather and I think the reason she doesn't ever completely cut kim off is because she can't stand the idea of someone else stepping in and possibly succeeding with kim in her absence (not necessarily Brandi) and Kyle is definitely not having any of that. Kyle can't dictate how Kims new friends intergrate into her life and I think Kyle has only inserted herself because she's realized that a part of brandi and kims relationship includes their not so favorable opinion of kyle and kyle as a grown up needs to be okay with that.

Friendships do include sharing and I have really close friends criticize my sister and I've set them straight and at other times I drink in the support they are offering me because their opinions are based off of info I've shared, truth and their caring for me. Kyle has just simplified it as oh my god Kim doesn't have my back and how can she when kim knows that brandi is speaking partly from information that she herself has feed brandi so how does one defend kyle when she's being defending by her friend using kims words and info? Tough place to be in and yes who really believes that people don't vent about their siblings to their friends? Brandi may not be the best choice but it does seem like they are close so I don't see it as being some family betrayal of epic proportions to find out that your sister has shared some shit about you two.

I could understand the need for unconditional support or defense from your sister if the topic didn't center around HER addiction but somehow turned into what you've done for her. I mean who wants to use their own humiliating life as the foundation to give you kudos in defense? It just seems so freaking outlandish. Brandi was talking in real time and trying to prove how close she and kim have become and not necessarily making it about her addiction but about being there for her during the whole Monty, wedding stress that's currently in her life. It's kyle that takes it to the years and years of support and angst and overkill that obviously points to her dealings with Kim and her burdensome years of addiction. I took Brandi's dialogue as benign and not addiction specific whereas I saw Kyles approach as usual being about Kyle and what SHE has done what SHE'S been through and why no one should every have an opinion otherwise of KYLE. I mean it reeks of all about Kyle but Kim doesn't know what day it is and Brandi talks about vaginas so that overshadows just how one note and one track minded Kyle and her frog crying really is.

We don't know that Kyle has stepped back though. The only one saying that Kyle has not been there for Kim is Brandi, even Kim has said that Kyle is there for her when she calls her. Kyle can not be there for Kim if Kim doesn't tell/call her so why and where is Brandi coming up with this idea that Kyle is not there....Kim, who is telling Kyle she has been there for her. It sounds like Kim is playing Kyle and Brandi has jumped into the fray for her own personal enjoyment, watch Brandi's face when she goes at Kyle, she is loving it. Of course, Brandi made those same faces when she went after Adrienne, Lisa, Joyce and even Kim/Kyle season 2.

I don't think Kyle "had a hand in it." I think she orchestrated the whole thing. She's been trying to take over Lisa's Queen Bee spot every single season. Last season, she finally brought Lisa to tears, and brought her down.

What brought Lisa to tears was Brandi's words/actions/lies, not Kyle's, but Brandis.

motorcitymom65 · February 17, 2015

We saw a LOT of it. Including Kyle looked like the cat that swallowed the canary as Brandi, Yo, and Kim attacked Lisa, and Carlton SAID Kyle was the one who made sure she was uninvited. Why? For one reason, someone besides Ken would have been trying to stop the attack.

There is plenty of evidence for my theory, some of which I stated.

More importantly, it explains the Kim/Brandi dynamic THIS season. That's where it began. Much to Kyle's chagrin, Kim and Brandi stayed friendly, something Kyle never intended to happen, since Kyle was going to dump her, her purpose served.

You are correct about the Carlton deal, as we saw it on TV. Doesn't matter what Carlton did or didn't say. We saw Kyle and Joyce discussing it and both agreeing that since they didn't like her at all, it made sense to not invite her. Remember, we never saw any closeness between Lisa and Carlton until after Lisa returned early from the trip. The last we had seen of them together was at the joint birthday party for Mauricio and Ken. Carlton went off on some crazy rant about Kyle, and Lisa took Kyle's side, saying that she thought Carlton has misconstrued Kyle's words. There would have been no reason for anyone plotting to isolate Lisa to have done it with Carlton since they had absolutely no relationship at that time. It would have been much more likely for Carlton to have taken Brandi's side, since she was the only one of the girls who could stand her at that time.

Umbelina · February 17, 2015

I don't think Kyle "had a hand in it." I think she orchestrated the whole thing. She's been trying to take over Lisa's Queen Bee spot every single season. Last season, she finally brought Lisa to tears, and brought her down.

What brought Lisa to tears was Brandi's words/actions/lies, not Kyle's, but Brandis.

Yes, because Lisa expected it from the snake Kyle, but she really WAS friends with Brandi.

Lisa will get back at Kyle.

Funny, back when last season aired, I said, "Kyle will dump Brandi now, she served her purpose." Stupid Brandi didn't get it, and I'm still not sure if she does, but it was obvious to me then, and proven true now. Obviously, as I said, Kim didn't get the memo either. She still dislikes Lisa, and thought "they" were friends with Brandi.

Avaleigh · February 17, 2015

We do know that she was not sick in any of the footage shown before Monty took her to the hospital. She never coughed, look or acted like she was struggling to get over bronchitis and/or pneumonia. Again, you have to accept her entire story despite what we saw and I just can not do that even if I factor in editing, IMO, Kim was not sick, let alone sick enough to warrant a 9 day hospital stay. Notice that only Kim is saying how long the hospital stay was and for all we know, it was a 2 day stay if that. Her actions/behavior tell a very different story than her mouth does IMO.

Thank you for mentioning this Wire Wrap because I never believed for one moment that Kim had bronchitis. We've seen her smoking more than ever this season it's too ridiculous all of it. Her story makes no sense for numerous reasons but I feel like the idea is that we're supposed to take her word for it and not take into account all of the times on the times we've seen Kim caught in lies on the show in the past. Honestly, the "fool me once" saying comes to mind here only Kim has tried to fool people with dozens of excuses over the seasons.

Umbelina · February 17, 2015

Who knows if Kim did or didn't? It's not an uncommon disease. I was only answering the question about AB, not vouching for Kim's account of her health.

;)

I still think it's more likely something to do with her new boobs, or something embarrassing to her, like female organ troubles.

Edited February 17, 2015 by Umbelina

MatildaMoody · February 17, 2015

Also, Brandi IS the one who takes Kim's calls when she's scared and panicked. Kyle no longer does. Forcing Kim to choose the (absent) Kyle, over the (there for her) Brandi is somehow very cruel to me.

We have no idea whether or not Kyle takes Kim's panicked calls. We know that Kim says that Kyle has always been there for her. We also know that Brandi is the only one saying Kyle isn't there for Kim. We also know from Kyle that Brandi is referencing a single phone call in which Brandi made her promise not to tell anyone about. And when it comes to that particular call, Kyle outright calls Brandi a liar when it comes to what Kyle's response was.

The only person that is actively trying to make Kim choose between Brandi and Kyle is Brandi.

Sincerely Yours · February 17, 2015

We don't know that Kyle has stepped back though. The only one saying that Kyle has not been there for Kim is Brandi, even Kim has said that Kyle is there for her when she calls her.

When they are both on kims bed kim explains it simply at one point saying that you are my sister and brandi is my friend. Kim confirms that kyle has been there for her and nothing can change that but then she says she's been there for me and you haven't. (paraphrasing) I do believe it was said with regards to recently. Most likely during the 6 month friendship she's had with brandi. But Kim does make that declaration. Kyle also agrees when Brandi says what she says about kyle and the fact that kyle quickly goes to all the years where she HAS been there bring up red flags for me and its very telling. As in, yeah I haven't been but it's not for you to put me on blast cause you're not taking into account the 500 thousand years I've been there for kim so its not fair to judge me based on these last 6 months. I find it understandable but kyle needs to get it together. She shouldn't let her not being there for kim as diligently a she has in the past be used against her AND had she not been so hell bent on trying to dismiss and undermine Brandi's involvement and close friendship Brandi wouldn't have found the need to even bring it up in defense of kyle claims that Brandi has no right to be involved.

zoeysmom · February 17, 2015

I get that there's a lot of rudeness being thrown around. Absolutely but then to tie all these rude moments in with the more serious addiction issue is where it rings unacceptable to me. The big picture is kyles mad at kim about her inability to do that whole "don't mess with my sister" alliance and is offended. I get it and it's understandable but to then make it such a display of years and years of history. Sister love and loyalty that is what? Thrown out the window because kim doesn't react the way kyle wants her to react because of all the years she has been there to help and support kim in her recovery? I think that's overkill and is out of proportion for what the specific problem is. Bickering between sisters and an unwelcome new friend getting folded into the long damaged relationship between the sisters, I think is just overkill and unnecessary not to mention ridiculous and an insult to the bigger picture. I feel sorry for kim because it seems that whenever she has a fall out with kyle it ALWAYS gets taken back to her addiction and a lot of that is by kyle herself. Can't she address problems with her sister without it always coming back to her years and years of suffering and kim's battles with addiction. Even if a portion of the current issues have something to do with a slip by kim or not why on earth does it need to be sooooooo highlighted and the angst be revisited to such an extreme degree? I feel like kim does have to live her life on eggshells because if she does slip or even if she doesn't but behaves in a way that brings up warning bells (which doesn't seem to take a lot) Kim has to therefore answer for a lot. I have nothing against trying to help and addict by not pretending and all that but it's not for every tom dick and harry to make mention of these things in the "attempt" face the issue head on. Being cast mates on a show doesn't mean that all decorum or etiquette be thrown out the window and automatic jurisdiction be assigned to anyone who's been privy to Kim's strange behavior in the course of filming. I just find everyone's "concern" to be sooooooooo disingenuous and coming from a very bad place of misconceived entitlement. It leaves a very bad taste in my mouth and I find it hard to be on board with. From what has been shown it does seem that Brandi is very involved in kims day to day life so I believe her position holds a lot more weight than the others that are arrogant or stupid enough to think that their input should have any relevance whatsoever especially since the way they insert themselves is so freaking premature and not thought out as well. I mean at the very least if these women decide to insert themselves I would expect to see a whole lot more care and preparation involved before attacking such a serious issue in another persons life. I really criticize the ridiculous missteps that would most likely not happen if they were not on a reality show. I think it's irresponsible cause I know damn well these women wouldn't handle a similar situation with a loved on outside of filming in such a haphazard way and that's what really angers me.

I get that there's a lot of rudeness being thrown around. Absolutely but then to tie all these rude moments in with the more serious addiction issue is where it rings unacceptable to me. The big picture is kyles mad at kim about her inability to do that whole "don't mess with my sister" alliance and is offended. I get it and it's understandable but to then make it such a display of years and years of history. Sister love and loyalty that is what? Thrown out the window because kim doesn't react the way kyle wants her to react because of all the years she has been there to help and support kim in her recovery? I think that's overkill and is out of proportion for what the specific problem is. Bickering between sisters and an unwelcome new friend getting folded into the long damaged relationship between the sisters, I think is just overkill and unnecessary not to mention ridiculous and an insult to the bigger picture. I feel sorry for kim because it seems that whenever she has a fall out with kyle it ALWAYS gets taken back to her addiction and a lot of that is by kyle herself. Can't she address problems with her sister without it always coming back to her years and years of suffering and kim's battles with addiction. Even if a portion of the current issues have something to do with a slip by kim or not why on earth does it need to be sooooooo highlighted and the angst be revisited to such an extreme degree? I feel like kim does have to live her life on eggshells because if she does slip or even if she doesn't but behaves in a way that brings up warning bells (which doesn't seem to take a lot) Kim has to therefore answer for a lot. I have nothing against trying to help and addict by not pretending and all that but it's not for every tom dick and harry to make mention of these things in the "attempt" face the issue head on. Being cast mates on a show doesn't mean that all decorum or etiquette be thrown out the window and automatic jurisdiction be assigned to anyone who's been privy to Kim's strange behavior in the course of filming. I just find everyone's "concern" to be sooooooooo disingenuous and coming from a very bad place of misconceived entitlement. It leaves a very bad taste in my mouth and I find it hard to be on board with. From what has been shown it does seem that Brandi is very involved in kims day to day life so I believe her position holds a lot more weight than the others that are arrogant or stupid enough to think that their input should have any relevance whatsoever especially since the way they insert themselves is so freaking premature and not thought out as well. I mean at the very least if these women decide to insert themselves I would expect to see a whole lot more care and preparation involved before attacking such a serious issue in another persons life. I really criticize the ridiculous missteps that would most likely not happen if they were not on a reality show. I think it's irresponsible cause I know damn well these women wouldn't handle a similar situation with a loved on outside of filming in such a haphazard way and that's what really angers me.

Even though you made the statement twice I strongly disagree with the notion that anyone has overstepped decorum in confronting Kim. If they are working with Kim and Kim is acting like a loon (Lisar in the limo) or Kim is mouthing off at the poker game, there is a window to apologize or at least explain oneself. Kim seemed to be doing fine two days after admission tweeting pictures of herself from the hospital so she could have sent texts to both Lisar and Eileen asking for moment toexplain herself. Same thing happened with Brandi, several days had passed and Brandi had yet to contact her hosts or Kyle to explain or apologize for her behavior. Brandi saying they just need time is obviously just avoidance. Eileen should not have had to approach Brandi at Lisar's party.

So if Kim has no reached out and she has had ample opportunity to those she made an ass out of herself in front of they are entirely appropriate to talk to her. Kim complained about Lisav nor showing support well no here is the chance to bask in the support. Kim doesn't have to walk on eggshells but if she chooses to imbie substances that have a direct effect on her ability to interact than she should be called on it early and often. Same with Brandi and the drinking-they have all suffered at the hands of drunk Brandi-no more passes.

The entire Kyle, Brandi debacle boils down to Brandi wanting to publicly humiliate Kyle and her relationship with her sister. Kim is the last person on this show who should be discussing her hurt feelings. She needs to clean up all the feelings she has hurt over the years before she can ever expect anyone to ever figure out why or if the hurt Kim's feelings. There is not one thing any of them can do to help Kim with Monty's cancer. Kim begged for the burden that is Monty under her roof in spite of cautions to the contrary. Kim creating a new source of victimhood is on her-not Kyle.

Avaleigh · February 17, 2015

Yes, because Lisa expected it from the snake Kyle, but she really WAS friends with Brandi.

Lisa will get back at Kyle.

Funny, back when last season aired, I said, "Kyle will dump Brandi now, she served her purpose." Stupid Brandi didn't get it, and I'm still not sure if she does, but it was obvious to me then, and proven true now. Obviously, as I said, Kim didn't get the memo either. She still dislikes Lisa, and thought "they" were friends with Brandi.

Kyle is done with Brandi now but I disagree that what we're seeing is Kyle having dumped Brandi after Brandi served her purpose with the Lisa thing. Brandi and Kyle were fine and they seemed fine on the way over to Eileen's. Fast forward to them being at the house and it was Brandi who was being rude and insulting not Kyle. The women tolerated Kim and Brandi's crap and later in the evening Brandi really let's loose on Kyle by basically telling her what a bad sister she is among other things. Kyle would be a fool to want to be friends with Brandi after the way Brandi has treated her.

As far as the idea of Kim not getting the memo about how she's not supposed to be friends with Brandi--I disagree that this is what is going on. Kim has no problem making her own decisions when it comes to who she wants to be friends with. Kyle was willing to play nice with Brandi after Game Night while Kim remained adamant that Brandi was an "icky" POS. Kim didn't want to go to Brandi's Malibu Party because Brandi didn't "exist" in her mind (Kim's words), but Kyle was fine with attending Brandi's event even though they ended up getting into it again. Kyle was fine with Brandi at her White Party whereas Kim wanted to go for round two with Brandi even though Brandi had done nothing to provoke her. Brandi also ended up going to Hawaii over Dana. Kim had no problem feuding with Taylor even though Kyle and Taylor were close. In season 1 Kim basically made comments to the effect that she didn't really care for any of the cast members so I'm not seeing her as somebody who doesn't make her own decisions when it comes to forming friendships on the show. During Yolanda's first season on the show I felt like Kyle was friendlier than Kim was particularly in the beginning of the season.

motorcitymom65 · February 17, 2015

Yes, because Lisa expected it from the snake Kyle, but she really WAS friends with Brandi.

Lisa will get back at Kyle.

Funny, back when last season aired, I said, "Kyle will dump Brandi now, she served her purpose." Stupid Brandi didn't get it, and I'm still not sure if she does, but it was obvious to me then, and proven true now. Obviously, as I said, Kim didn't get the memo either. She still dislikes Lisa, and thought "they" were friends with Brandi.

But when did Kyle dump Brandi? As has been mentioned, they seemed to be getting along great on the way to the party. Brandi said in her blog that Kyle asked her to ride over with her and asked her to bring an extra bottle of champagne to enjoy on the long drive over. It certainly seemed like a switch flipped on Brandi, and Kyle was caught unaware. What are you seeing that looks different? I am honestly curious to what I am missing.

Am also wondering if you believe that Brandi is someone who tells the truth? Why believe her when she says that Kyle has stepped away from Kim? If she is telling the truth, I guess that Lisa asked her to pack magazines to embarrass Kyle, correct? I would say no to both of these.

beaker73 · February 17, 2015

We saw a LOT of it. Including Kyle looked like the cat that swallowed the canary as Brandi, Yo, and Kim attacked Lisa, and Carlton SAID Kyle was the one who made sure she was uninvited. Why? For one reason, someone besides Ken would have been trying to stop the attack.

There is plenty of evidence for my theory, some of which I stated.

More importantly, it explains the Kim/Brandi dynamic THIS season. That's where it began. Much to Kyle's chagrin, Kim and Brandi stayed friendly, something Kyle never intended to happen, since Kyle was going to dump her, her purpose served.

I think Kyle didn't want Carlton there simply because Carlton was a raging bitch to her all season.

Higgins · February 17, 2015

Even though you made the statement twice I strongly disagree with the notion that anyone has overstepped decorum in confronting Kim. If they are working with Kim and Kim is acting like a loon (Lisar in the limo) or Kim is mouthing off at the poker game, there is a window to apologize or at least explain oneself. Kim seemed to be doing fine two days after admission tweeting pictures of herself from the hospital so she could have sent texts to both Lisar and Eileen asking for moment toexplain herself. Same thing happened with Brandi, several days had passed and Brandi had yet to contact her hosts or Kyle to explain or apologize for her behavior. Brandi saying they just need time is obviously just avoidance. Eileen should not have had to approach Brandi at Lisar's party.

So if Kim has no reached out and she has had ample opportunity to those she made an ass out of herself in front of they are entirely appropriate to talk to her. Kim complained about Lisav nor showing support well no here is the chance to bask in the support. Kim doesn't have to walk on eggshells but if she chooses to imbie substances that have a direct effect on her ability to interact than she should be called on it early and often. Same with Brandi and the drinking-they have all suffered at the hands of drunk Brandi-no more passes.

The entire Kyle, Brandi debacle boils down to Brandi wanting to publicly humiliate Kyle and her relationship with her sister. Kim is the last person on this show who should be discussing her hurt feelings. She needs to clean up all the feelings she has hurt over the years before she can ever expect anyone to ever figure out why or if the hurt Kim's feelings. There is not one thing any of them can do to help Kim with Monty's cancer. Kim begged for the burden that is Monty under her roof in spite of cautions to the contrary. Kim creating a new source of victimhood is on her-not Kyle.

Did Kyle apologize for her behavior? Or does she get a pass because she is in the cool group, the got it all together group?

beaker73 · February 17, 2015

Nevermind.

I'm so happy there's a new ep on tonight because this thread is making my head hurt.

Edited February 17, 2015 by beaker73

WireWrap · February 17, 2015

When they are both on kims bed kim explains it simply at one point saying that you are my sister and brandi is my friend. Kim confirms that kyle has been there for her and nothing can change that but then she says she's been there for me and you haven't. (paraphrasing) I do believe it was said with regards to recently. Most likely during the 6 month friendship she's had with brandi. But Kim does make that declaration. Kyle also agrees when Brandi says what she says about kyle and the fact that kyle quickly goes to all the years where she HAS been there bring up red flags for me and its very telling. As in, yeah I haven't been but it's not for you to put me on blast cause you're not taking into account the 500 thousand years I've been there for kim so its not fair to judge me based on these last 6 months. I find it understandable but kyle needs to get it together. She shouldn't let her not being there for kim as diligently a she has in the past be used against her AND had she not been so hell bent on trying to dismiss and undermine Brandi's involvement and close friendship Brandi wouldn't have found the need to even bring it up in defense of kyle claims that Brandi has no right to be involved.

That 2 am phone call to Brandi could have happened when Kyle was in Spain or at her house in PS. Kim basically said that Brandi is picking up when Kyle is not available, not that Kyle has turned her back on Kim like Brandi is trying to get everyone to believe. That is a huge difference! And Brandi has no right to insert herself between the sisters, none.

Edited February 17, 2015 by WireWrap

Avaleigh · February 17, 2015

Did Kyle apologize for her behavior? Or does she get a pass because she is in the cool group, the got it all together group?

We've frequently seen Kyle apologize for her behavior. I'm not going to pretend that I haven't taken issue with some of Kyle's apologies in the past but she damn sure makes more of an effort than Kim or Brandi do. I don't think I've ever seen Kim give an apology. I've seen Brandi give completely insincere apologies. And at least Kyle can make eye contact with people when she apologizes unlike Brandi.

That 2 am phone call to Brandi could have happened when Kyle was in Spain or at her house in PS. Kim basically said that Brandi is picking up when Kyle is not available, not that Kyle has turned her back on Kim like Brandi is trying to get everyone to believe. That is a huge difference! And Brandi has no right to insert herself between the sisters, none.

Not only that but we heard it directly from Kim that Kyle has been there for her, is there for her, and wants to continue to be there for her. Kim wasn't disagreeing with Kyle at all and all Kyle wanted was for Kim to tell Brandi that she is there for her so that Brandi doesn't continue to be untruthful when she's trying to make people believe that Kyle is this horrible sister to Kim. By Kim going all radio silent whenever Brandi trashes Kyle it makes it seem like she's okay with the things Brandi is saying. I'd be frustrated too if I were Kyle.

Edited February 18, 2015 by Avaleigh

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