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[westwingfan]

Promo pics 8x22 Crossfire, Castle feels the touch of his wife for the last time.

http://www.disneyabcpress.com/abc/shows/castle/episodes/crossfire/

Edited May 2, 2016 by westwingfan

[FlickerToAFlame]

westwingfan: is that your comment or do you see it somewhere with the pics?

[westwingfan]

50 minutes ago, FlickerToAFlame said:

westwingfan: is that your comment or do you see it somewhere with the pics?

If it's not in quotes it's mine, I was just going with the flow as all the hints seem to point that if a S9 happens Beckett will have died of her wounds during the hiatus. And given how Hawley seems to have tried to rewrite so much of what came before in happier times I wouldn't be surprised if the final scene is something like this :

"RYAN
Beckett’s down! Beckett's down!
CASTLE is with her. He’s trying to keep her calm, keep her with him.
CASTLE
Kate, shh… Kate. Stay with me, Kate. Don’t leave me, please. Stay with me, okay?
She’s trying, focusing as hard as she can on him, but it’s too much. She’s been shot and she’s scared and she can't stop the tears from escaping her eyes.
CASTLE
Kate, I love you. I love you, Kate.
He’s desperately trying to get her to do something, respond, something to let him know that she’s going to be okay. The tiniest smile passes over her mouth as she realizes what he’s just said, but she’s in shock and her body can’t handle any more. Her eyes drift closed. CASTLE still holds her, trying to process how this can end okay and willing her to come back. One lone tear runs down his nose as he tries to grasp what just happened.
THE END"

Edited May 2, 2016 by westwingfan

[CheshireCat]

22 hours ago, Annec said:

The sexism charge comes not from a single incident but the practice and pattern of Hollywood valuing their male leads if the female lead as seen in Castle, Arrow, The Blacklist, The 100, and other shows that have killed off their female co-lead this year. It points to the networks sexist assumption that their male leads can carry a show but their female wads count. Btw, there is now a pattern on Castle with the during last of Penny, Stana, and Tamala and no male actors (you could even add Tory from tech to that list).

Who actually was replaced by a male character/actor when they could have replaced her with a female...

[TWP]

They replaced Montgomery with Gates...male to female......then they let Gates go with no fan outrage.  No outrage from the loss of Tory either, in fact most fans were happy.  They added Hayley AND Vikram to sort of replace Tory AND Gates.

[KaveDweller]

31 minutes ago, westwingfan said:

If it's not in quotes it's mine, I was just going with the flow as all the hints seem to point that if a S9 happens Beckett will have died of her wounds during the hiatus. And given how Hawley seems to have tried to rewrite so much of what came before in happier times I wouldn't be surprised if the final scene is something like this :

RYAN
Beckett’s down! Beckett's down!
CASTLE is with her. He’s trying to keep her calm, keep her with him.
CASTLE
Kate, shh… Kate. Stay with me, Kate. Don’t leave me, please. Stay with me, okay?
She’s trying, focusing as hard as she can on him, but it’s too much. She’s been shot and she’s scared and she can't stop the tears from escaping her eyes.
CASTLE
Kate, I love you. I love you, Kate.
He’s desperately trying to get her to do something, respond, something to let him know that she’s going to be okay. The tiniest smile passes over her mouth as she realizes what he’s just said, but she’s in shock and her body can’t handle any more. Her eyes drift closed. CASTLE still holds her, trying to process how this can end okay and willing her to come back. One lone tear runs down his nose as he tries to grasp what just happened.
THE END

This is embarrassing, bit just reading that made me tear up. And I'm in public. There's no way I can watch the finale.

I expect it will go pretty much exactly like that, but maybe this time Kate will get an "I love you" back?

[westwingfan]

3 minutes ago, KaveDweller said:

This is embarrassing, bit just reading that made me tear up. And I'm in public. There's no way I can watch the finale.

I expect it will go pretty much exactly like that, but maybe this time Kate will get an "I love you" back?

Yes, Hawley would want to add his own touch for posterity.

[BellyLaughter]

I really don't understand fans who think there is wriggle room for storytelling in S9!? Surely if S9 gets a green light - Beckett dies??  There will be no WitSec, no coma, no Senator Beckett in DC.  

 

All there will be is  network willing to milk all the ratings out of a character death that they can.  Storytelling be damned. It's TV 101??!! 

Am I wrong to be so cynical/clinical?? 

 

Beckett's only gonna live if there's a cancellation and that's looking less and less likely by the day!  And this season has made me so jaded I'm not sure I trust that she'll make it through a SERIES finale either....

Edited May 2, 2016 by BellyLaughter

[westwingfan]

I think if they had wrapped up "Castle" with a happy ending and launched "Castle P.I." as a spin off it would have stood a better chance than trying to keep going after killing off Beckett, and if ABC had simply announced that "Castle" was ending and that Stana was moving on, as many thought she might anyway, but there would be a spin off, things might not  have got so out of hand on social media. It's yet to be seen what sort of ratings a S9 will achieve, but alienating a large part of the existing audience, who might have given the new show at least a cursory chance, does not seem the best strategy.

Edited May 2, 2016 by westwingfan

[IzeOfLight]

On 4/30/2016 at 11:48 PM, Kromm said:

Speaking of Madam Secretary, can we have to mention Tea Leoni? Not a brunette like my other examples, and possibly in the past not nearly as TV-centric as Harmon or Hennesy (Tea had a pair of short-lived sitcoms back in the 90s), but her career was basically periodic movie roles as "the wife character" (so never a lead, although admittedly in some big films like Deep Impact and The Family Man). Frankly she's got to be thanking her lucky stars for Madam Secretary. It's mostly because playing a mock (but better looking) Hillary Clinton required an older woman. There was no way for TV casting agents to duck that.

Very interesting post overall, but this was the paragraph that stood out to me, because Madame Secretary has become one of two shows I'll consistently watch (The Good Wife being the other; Castle lost me the last couple of years with jerking the couple around). One, I love watching Tea Leoni in that role, and two, I love watching the relationship with her husband, even if the fact they're trying to turn him into SpyDaddy is annoying. But that show has been proof to me that married couples can be still interesting and spicy, as Stana used to say. I kept hoping that they'd find a way to balance the COTW with a funny, healthy, spicy marriage relationship between Castle and Beckett. 

Would you add Julianna Margulies to your list of brunette female actresses who get work? Though I realize she's a bit older than the others you mentioned, but The Good Wife had some excellent writing/acting and that fifth season, in particular, was just awesome. 

I probably won't be able to bring myself to watch the last few episodes of Castle. I don't want the end to poison the first three seasons for me. 

[KaveDweller]

Now that I've had a chance to see those promo pics large, I have to say, at least Kate gets to (presumably) die like she lived.....in an absolutely amazing jacket. Seriously, I think I want that one more than anything she's worn before.

Edited May 2, 2016 by KaveDweller
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[BlakesMomma]

15 minutes ago, westwingfan said:

I think if they had wrapped up "Castle" with a happy ending and launched "Castle P.I." as a spin off it would have stood a better chance than trying to keep going after killing off Beckett, and if ABC had simply announced that "Castle" was ending and that Stana was moving on, as many thought she might anyway, but there would be a spin off, things might not  have got so out of hand on social media. It's yet to be seen what sort of ratings a S9 will achieve, but alienating a large part of the existing audience, who might have given the new show at least a cursory chance, does not seem the best strategy.

I think giving Castle a happy ending and relaunching S9 as more of a spin off isn't out of the realm of possibility yet. 

[TWP]

It's very possible that they'll end Castle happily, with that sweet scene from the promo photos at the ending. Pan out and it was a story Castle was telling Alexis and Martha. Wraps up, moves on. Beckett doesn't die.

ABC turned The Practice into Boston Legal. They can do it again.

I think a mythology has been developed on places like Twitter and has gotten to the point where people think that the ending has already been given away. In fact, we don't know what the ending will be yet, and several scenarios are possible. 

Edit: If nothing else, people can hold out hope that Castle will be the recipient of the last blind item on this page:  http://tvline.com/2016/04/06/may-sweeps-scorecard-2016-spoilers-deaths/2/

Edited May 2, 2016 by TWP

[BellyLaughter]

25 minutes ago, westwingfan said:

I think if they had wrapped up "Castle" with a happy ending and launched "Castle P.I." as a spin off it would have stood a better chance than trying to keep going after killing off Beckett, and if ABC had simply announced that "Castle" was ending and that Stana was moving on, as many thought she might anyway, but there would be a spin off, things might not  have got so out of hand on social media. It's yet to be seen what sort of ratings a S9 will achieve, but alienating a large part of the existing audience, who might have given the new show at least a cursory chance, does not seem the best strategy.

yep - whoever leaked this news early definitely got one over ABC.  This whole thing has been appallingly dealt with by ABC and really (asinine behaviour notwithstanding) the majority of the show's fanbase has been caught up in it unfairly to.  Black marks to all involved in this clisterf**k!  I don't envy the suckers involved in making S9. Bravo ABC, bravo. 

[westwingfan]

3 minutes ago, BlakesMomma said:

I think giving Castle a happy ending and relaunching S9 as more of a spin off isn't out of the realm of possibility yet. 

The trouble is Hawley wants his high tension cliff hanger, the lack of which in 7x23 he has mentioned several times is why he believes the ratings fell so dramatically before 8x01. If Stana hadn't been ditched then I can see his point, but with her gone for good it is more likely to backfire on him, and due to how many perceive what has been happening BTS and how ABC lost control of the news cycle I think they have lost Stana's fans whatever they do now.

[BellyLaughter]

There's no mystery to a cliffhanger where Beckett is in peril anymore....maybe a month a go when they were prepping this episode but not now.  Now there is just a summer of angry fans who will probably stop at nothing to sink the show.  

 

And honestly, I think it's deserved.  

Edited May 2, 2016 by BellyLaughter

[WendyCR72]

See, the only reason I don't see some happy ending (which the fans - the decent fans - should have gotten) is on the VERY off chance the show survives S9 solo and NF wants to go forth, should ratings warrant, I'd think ABC would want to keep romantic options for Castle open.

Not what many want, I get that. But from a strictly business perspective, I can see why TPTB would want the Kate chapter closed.

[westwingfan]

3 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

See, the only reason I don't see some happy ending (which the fans - the decent fans - should have gotten) is on the VERY off chance the show survives S9 solo and NF wants to go forth, should ratings warrant, I'd think ABC would want to keep romantic options for Castle open.

Not what many want, I get that. But from a strictly business perspective, I can see why TPTB would want the Kate chapter closed.

But isn't that one of the weakest parts of fillione's repetoire. I always thought he might have been picked up for that Marlowe project about Philip Marlowe which doesn't seem to have got anywhere but supposedly was going to feature a different femme fatale in each episode so it would just be sex without the need to show much emotion.

8 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

(which the fans - the decent fans - should have gotten)

I like your adjective, "decent fans" is a good description. I always get annoyed when people bandy being "true fans" about.

[KaveDweller]

2 minutes ago, westwingfan said:

But isn't that one of the weakest parts of fillione's repetoire. I always thought he might have been picked up for that Marlowe project about Philip Marlowe which doesn't seem to have got anywhere but supposedly was going to feature a different femme fatale in each episode so it would just be sex without the need to show much emotion.

Also, assuming they still care about character development/continuity, I can't really see Castle opening up to a new woman very easily. He was crazy in love with Beckett and I think losing her would have a long term effect. I know people move on, but they also change. Castle was always so optimistic about things with Kate and having a great future, I can't imagine him being like that again. I think the first person he would consider dating after losing her would be more of a meaningless thing and he wouldn't open himself up to getting hurt again. The only thing that seemed to keep him going when Kate left was trying to "win her back." I don't know what he'd do if she died and he couldn't even have that kind of hope.

But assuming they care about character development/continuity may be a mistake.

[WendyCR72]

2 minutes ago, KaveDweller said:

Also, assuming they still care about character development/continuity, I can't really see Castle opening up to a new woman very easily. He was crazy in love with Beckett and I think losing her would have a long term effect. I know people move on, but they also change

Fair enough, but if there's a significant time jump, the usual "time healing" thing can be used there. I can see the new vision of the show have Castle go back to serial dating.

[verdana]

Castle: Will Stana Katic's Beckett die in the finale?  

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How the finale ends, however, all depends on whether Castle gets renewed. “If we hear that we’re not coming back, we have shot something that we can put at the end of the episode as a way to put a button on everything,” Hawley said. “Obviously that would be a bad thing because it would mean no more. We did it in order to try to protect the fans, because you can’t end the series on a cliffhanger.” Added fellow EP and co-showrunner Terence Paul Winter: “The hope is that it never sees the light of day.”

Protect the fans...yeah right pull the other one, they couldn't give a crap about the fans and really the show always goes off the rails when they start inserting overblown drama into everything but alas Hawley seems determined to go down that road. 

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“We wanted to turn it to 11, so to speak, and really challenge the characters and our actors and our director,” Hawley said. “We really gave them a dynamic episode that’s scary, it’s funny, and it’s emotional. That’s the finale — we figured we’d go big.”

Funny huh? That's going to be interesting to pull off if Beckett cops it. 

Edited May 2, 2016 by verdana

[BellyLaughter]

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4 minutes ago, verdana said:

Castle: Will Stana Katic's Beckett die in the finale?  

Protect the fans...yeah right pull the other one, they couldn't give a crap about the fans and really the show always goes off the rails when they start inserting overblown drama into everything but alas Hawley seems determined to go down that road. 

Funng huh? That's going to be interesting to pull off if Beckett cops it. 

I saw that he said 'funny' and my immediate reaction was 

 

"Really, you're gonna go with funny?? Really??"  Groan. 

 

He's just taking the piss now.....and if ABC are insisting they carry this joke of a show on they would be well served to show him the door before they do.

Edited May 2, 2016 by BellyLaughter

[TWP]

38 minutes ago, verdana said:

Castle: Will Stana Katic's Beckett die in the finale?  

Protect the fans...yeah right pull the other one, they couldn't give a crap about the fans and really the show always goes off the rails when they start inserting overblown drama into everything but alas Hawley seems determined to go down that road. 

Funng huh? That's going to be interesting to pull off if Beckett cops it. 

To be fair, it’s possible that neither AH nor TPW knew that Katic was going to be cut when they said that. And yes, EW interviewed the showrunners AHEAD of the news about Katic.  Even the perpetually clueless showrunners wouldn't be that insensitive...or would they?

Edited May 3, 2016 by TWP

[BlakesMomma]

Fillion's had plenty of emotion in serious love scenes he's done in the past. When he's not constantly interrupted as the Castle writers have overdone since Caskett got together. 

I just don't see them giving him anything romantic if Beckett dies, no matter the time jump. And in my opinion their best shot at keeping Castle fans is not going the romantic route and giving Caskett that happy ending somehow then on to a spinoff. I'm also not sure it's Hawley's call. It may be ABC trying to save whatever they can from this leak mess. 

[newyawk]

1 hour ago, TWP said:

Edit: If nothing else, people can hold out hope that Castle will be the recipient of the last blind item on this page:  http://tvline.com/2016/04/06/may-sweeps-scorecard-2016-spoilers-deaths/2/

Hee!

[BellyLaughter]

Coming in the fall 2016:

 

"Eunuch Castle PI: It's the Laughs That Matter"

[TWP]

11 minutes ago, BellyLaughter said:

Coming in the fall 2016:

 

"Eunuch Castle PI: It's the Laughs That Matter"

No romantic relationships required.  Leave them for someone else.

[femmefan1946]

There are several other shows with 'older' women leads.

Allison Janney on Mom. Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Veep. jumped to mind immediately.

[CheshireCat]

54 minutes ago, TWP said:

To be fair, it’s possible that neither AH nor TPW knew that Katic was going to be cut when they said that. And yes, EW interviewed the showrunners AHEAD of the news about Katic.  Even the perpetually clueless showrunners wouldn't be that insensitive...or would they?

I don't think they would and it irritates me that some fans are now all over those comments, claiming that the showrunners don't care about the fans and acting as if those were statements which they made now instead of days before the news broke. Some of those comments are even taken out of context in some articles.

A part of me is still hoping that Hawley/Winter are going for the happy ending no matter what happens to Castle and that they don't even offer ABC the other ending. Unfortunately, I don't think that'll happen.

[BellyLaughter]

The network has final say in which version airs so unless they make all happy versions.... 

[CheshireCat]

8 minutes ago, BellyLaughter said:

The network has final say in which version airs so unless they make all happy versions.... 

Sure, they do, but if they only prepare(d) one version...

[BellyLaughter]

That would be cheeky ;)

 

and they should slap a Post-It note on it that reads "Suck it ABC"

 

But alas, they will be thinking of keeping their jobs next season.....

[BlakesMomma]

11 minutes ago, BellyLaughter said:

The network has final say in which version airs so unless they make all happy versions.... 

That's why I said if the network wants to gain any positivity out of this mess (although they appear clueless at times) they'll at least appease those asking for the happy ending. And then market any green lighted S9 as some form of spinoff with Beckett off somewhere. Will they do it? I haven't a lot of hope, but it's still a possibility. 

[WendyCR72]

30 minutes ago, femmefan1946 said:

There are several other shows with 'older' women leads.

Allison Janney on Mom. Julia Louis-Dreyfus on Veep. jumped to mind immediately.

Yes, but the difference is, they were on other big shows before their current shows. By Hollyweird standards, Katic started late in the game.

Not saying she can't do something else, but I still think - with all the competition out there - she'll have a tougher go of it than Fillion would, like it or not. Because he's a guy, and who cares if men get old, and because he has the whole soap/sci-fi/Whedon/Two Guys And A Girl combined fandoms to help him out.

It's not fair, but acting isn't a fair business.

[CheshireCat]

19 minutes ago, BellyLaughter said:

That would be cheeky ;)

Cheeky is a lot nicer than what ABC is doing ;-)

The little girl they have listed as guest cast for the finale just made me think of another option. Whether it's with a child or not, if the happy ending that Hawley/Winter prepared is set in the future, then they could air that and then go back in time in the S9 opener. There's still the statement the time-traveller made that he can't believe Beckett and Castle had three children because of all the crazy things, so maybe one of those crazy things is that Beckett did something after the LokSat thing which writes her out of the show but keeps the marriage intact. They could have their 13 episodes of Castle goof or spin-off set-up or whatever it is that they want, then end the show maybe using Katic's stand-in or shots from old episodes and showing Castle and Beckett reunited. That way, they'd give fans Castle closure and can still do their Beckett-less show without disrespecting the show that Castle is and was intended to be. (And I kind of doubt it's happening but if the S8 happy end is set in the future, then I'm sure it would be possible.)

Edited May 3, 2016 by CheshireCat

[TWP]

9 minutes ago, CheshireCat said:

Cheeky is a lot nicer than what ABC is doing ;-)

The little girl they have listed as guest cast for the finale just made me think of another option. Whether it's with a child or not, if the happy ending that Hawley/Winter prepared is set in the future, then they could air that and then go back in time in the S9 opener. There's still the statement the time-traveller made that he can't believe Beckett and Castle had three children because of all the crazy things, so maybe one of those crazy things is that Beckett did something after the LokSat Thing which writes her out of the show but keeps the marriage intact. They could have their 13 episodes of Castle goof, then end the show maybe using Katic's stand-in or shots from old episodes and showing Castle and Beckett reunited. That way, they'd give fans Castle closure and can still do their Beckett-less show without disrespecting the show that Castle is and was intended to be. (And I kind of doubt it's happening but if the S8 happy end is set in the future, then I'm sure it would be possible.)

I think this 13 episode spinoff is a pilot that they will continue if it's successful.  They're going to want Castle to be free for romance.  But no doubt they could start with the assumption you're proposing and then -- oops! -- get off track and forget all about it.  Hey, it's TV where continuity is a 4-letter word.

Edited May 3, 2016 by TWP

[BellyLaughter]

The network has made its Beckett-less bed and now it has no choice but to lie in it. 

 

I love all the creativity and ideas that fans have tried to come up with to keep Beckett alive but I just know In my gut that the network are gonna take the cowards way out.  They're cleaning the slate.  I also refuse to believe that they would make such a dramatic decision without conducting market research - they clearly feel there is life in this show sans Beckett. I refuse to entertain any alternative.  

 

The ratings boost (morbid fascination) that comes from any TV death is a gift to network nobs who only care about bottom line and money.  They're gonna milk this one for all it's worth.  Castle fans and their passion for the story be damned.

 

I wonder if there is ONE single person involved in this decision making process that is rooting for the story??  Just one would be nice.....

Edited May 3, 2016 by BellyLaughter

[KaveDweller]

12 minutes ago, CheshireCat said:

Cheeky is a lot nicer than what ABC is doing ;-)

The little girl they have listed as guest cast for the finale just made me think of another option. Whether it's with a child or not, if the happy ending that Hawley/Winter prepared is set in the future, then they could air that and then go back in time in the S9 opener. 

I doubt they would go to the trouble of casting and paying a child actress for a scene that they think is unlikely to air. It just seems like an unneeded expense. The alternate ending is probably just Caskett in a location where they were already filming or have a set for. 

I am curious how long this alternate end could be. Option 1 is the cliffhanger ending during the capture of Loksat, which somehow also gives them closure on Loksat. I'm picturing something where they think they've won and then some other guy pops up and causes more trouble. But that wouldn't take very long, so there must be more than just a shooting/explosion that is cut out in order to fit the alternate ending. The easy thing to do is just have them kiss on the street instead of having Beckett get shot, but hopefully they'd at least give us a longer scene at the loft.

[TWP]

I am happy to see that many of the Twitter folks have morphed their Castle campaign into #SaveCaskett and are rooting for a happy ending for the couple. This is something, I personally can get behind too. And I hope ABC can get behind it because it's best for them and their spinoff.

[verdana]

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"What we wanted to do was keep pulling the rug out from under them" (snip)

And that is the fundamental problem right there - they can't let them be happy and live relatively normal lives - instead constantly hitting them with angst, murder and mayhem because they believe it's boring if they don't but their alternative turned out to be Locksat and the a mind numbingly stupid separation that dragged on until Christmas.  That's why I reiterate irrespective of the timings of interviews that they don't care about the fans and enjoying jerking them around whenever they can and I expect them to do the same in the finale too, if they don't and give us a decent ending Hawley especially will probably be grinding his teeth in frustration at being forced into it. 

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Now that I've had a chance to see those promo pics large, I have to say, at least Kate gets to (presumably) die like she lived.....in an absolutely amazing jacket. Seriously, I think I want that one more than anything she's worn before.

Ooh yes it is, gorgeous! At least she'll die well dressed thank God, hair looks good too. I hope the bullets miss the material and she doesn't get any blood on it. May be they can auction it off at the end for the Stanatics to bid for it, raise some money for charity they could make a fortune.  When a show ends they frequently sell quite a few things off, although Luke did say they keep most of the clothing unfortunately. 

Edited May 3, 2016 by verdana

[CheshireCat]

7 minutes ago, verdana said:

And that is the fundamental problem right there - they can't let them be happy and live relatively normal lives - instead constantly hitting them with angst, murder and mayhem because they believe it's boring if they don't but their alternative turned out to be Locksat and the a mind numbingly stupid separation that dragged on until Christmas.  That's why I reiterate irrespective of the timings of interviews that they don't care about the fans and enjoying jerking them around whenever they can and I expect them to do the same in the finale too, if they don't and give us a decent ending Hawley especially will probably be grinding his teeth in frustration at being forced into it. 

I don't think that they don't care about the fans, I think that they think that they have to create constant drama in order to keep things interesting and what they don't realize is that there's plenty of drama in every day life. It doesn't have to be over-the-top, it doesn't have to be forced. I think things were there in S7, there just were too many of them, but there were a lot of small conflicts without being overly dramatic. But it's of course more difficult to write about couples who are happy. It's much easier when they're at odds because when they're at odds then there's the conflict. You don't have to find another conflict source.

[verdana]

Then may be they need to get another job if they can't figure out how to write for a happily married couple and keep it interesting, I acknowledge it may be somewhat harder but it doesn't say much for their creative abilities (or private lives for that matter, don't they know any?). 

[CheshireCat]

1 minute ago, verdana said:

Then may be they need to get another job if they can't figure out how to write for a happily married couple and keep it interesting, I acknowledge it may be somewhat harder but it doesn't say much for their creative abilities (or private lives for that matter, don't they know any?). 

Maybe they think their private lives are boring? ;-) I'm not sure if it's their creative abilities or simply the choice to go the easiest way. (Although, I think we do have to allow for some leniency since we don't know the conditions they had to work under (as in actor availability, ABC requests etc)). But generally, I agree. More creativity would be nice!

[BellyLaughter]

So going by the photos from 8x22 they clearly shot in a park on location.  Did anyone see this? I can't believe there weren't fans hanging around.  Pretty remarkable that nothing has been said about this finale, nothing has been leaked about SL or renewel.  I find it really weird and unnerving. Normally, someone knows something and it gets out.....

 

Also, from today's episode.....small SPOILER....weren't Castle and Beckett separated last Halloween??  God, if this show can't get its RECENT canon right why f'ing bother anymore.

Edited May 3, 2016 by BellyLaughter

[KaveDweller]

51 minutes ago, CheshireCat said:

I don't think that they don't care about the fans, I think that they think that they have to create constant drama in order to keep things interesting and what they don't realize is that there's plenty of drama in every day life. It doesn't have to be over-the-top, it doesn't have to be forced. I think things were there in S7, there just were too many of them, but there were a lot of small conflicts without being overly dramatic. But it's of course more difficult to write about couples who are happy. It's much easier when they're at odds because when they're at odds then there's the conflict. You don't have to find another conflict source.

They don't care about the fans. They care about their jobs, which is making the network happy. And yeah, I get that for them it's a job, but it just sucks for fans when you realize that.

38 minutes ago, BellyLaughter said:

So going by the photos from 8x22 they clearly shot in a park on location.  Did anyone see this? I can't believe there weren't fans hanging around.  Pretty remarkable that nothing has been said about this finale, nothing has been leaked about SL or renewel.  I find it really weird and unnerving. Normally, someone knows something and it gets out.....

I read in the comments of some other site (I forget which one) that someone who was watching filming tweeted seeing

Beckett jump in front of a bullet for Castle.

I tagged that because it is super-specific, but could easily have been made up since lots of people have predicted a similar thing.

Also, from today's episode.....small SPOILER....weren't Castle and Beckett separated last Halloween??  God, if this show can't get it's RECENT canon right why f'ing bother anymore.

The timing of this season is weird, because the winter premiere picked up right after the fall finale, meaning we skipped Christmas. But yeah, Halloween they were definitely not together. 

[BellyLaughter]

1 minute ago, KaveDweller said:

 

I read in the comments of some other site (I forget which one) that someone who was watching filming tweeted seeing

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Beckett jump in front of a bullet for Castle.

I tagged that because it is super-specific, but could easily have been made up since lots of people have predicted a similar thing.

 

That's the sort of thing that flys around the net as soon as it's posted....yet I haven't seen that anywhere??  I just wanna know....either way.  It's torturous waiting for the axe to fall.  

[CheshireCat]

1 minute ago, KaveDweller said:

They don't care about the fans. They care about their jobs, which is making the network happy. And yeah, I get that for them it's a job, but it just sucks for fans when you realize that.

 

Well, they should care about fans, casual or more serious, because ultimately, it's the fans who make sure they have the job, not the network because the network cancels the show if there aren't enough viewers. So, if they are about fans, the fans are happy and if the fans are happy, they keep watching and if they keep watching the networks is happy and if the network is happy, everyone gets to keep their jobs.

[KaveDweller]

16 minutes ago, BellyLaughter said:

That's the sort of thing that flys around the net as soon as it's posted....yet I haven't seen that anywhere??  I just wanna know....either way.  It's torturous waiting for the axe to fall.  

I know, I was surprised I hadn't seen it anywhere else too. Like I said it was just a person commenting that they'd seen it on Twitter, so that's not exactly reliable. And I kind of went down the rabbit hole of reading Castle gossip lately so I can't even remember where I was reading it (this is one of those times working at home is not actually productive than the office). 

I'd just like to know too, so I can decide if I should even watch it.

15 minutes ago, CheshireCat said:

Well, they should care about fans, casual or more serious, because ultimately, it's the fans who make sure they have the job, not the network because the network cancels the show if there aren't enough viewers. So, if they are about fans, the fans are happy and if the fans are happy, they keep watching and if they keep watching the networks is happy and if the network is happy, everyone gets to keep their jobs.

But if people are angry at them, but still watch, the network is happy. I'm not saying it's right, just that it's reality.

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[verdana]

3 hours ago, BellyLaughter said:

So going by the photos from 8x22 they clearly shot in a park on location.  Did anyone see this? I can't believe there weren't fans hanging around.  Pretty remarkable that nothing has been said about this finale, nothing has been leaked about SL or renewel.  I find it really weird and unnerving. Normally, someone knows something and it gets out.....

If they want to keep a lid on things they can (and do) but equally I believe they will deliberately let fans hang around a bit too close and take photos and gossip when they want things to come out to increase the buzz even if they pretend they don't want them there and say "don't take photos". 

This time given what's to come I can understand why they may want to keep a firm lid on things.  I remember during filming of 6.01 they allowed fans to hang about but they never made much effort to shoe them away by all accounts and of course someone captured the moment she accepted his proposal, fans on social media went into meltdown after endless speculation for months as to whether she would accept or reject him but no one ever got a sniff of the moment they enacted out the most miserable proposal in TV history and that was in the same park.   

[verdana]

3 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

I know, I was surprised I hadn't seen it anywhere else too. Like I said it was just a person commenting that they'd seen it on Twitter, so that's not exactly reliable. And I kind of went down the rabbit hole of reading Castle gossip lately so I can't even remember where I was reading it (this is one of those times working at home is not actually productive than the office). 

I'd just like to know too, so I can decide if I should even watch it.

If that was true I'm with Bellylaughter it would have been all over twitter and tumblr and whilst my trawling of Castle for news has waned considerably I haven't seen that talked about at all so makes me wonder as to it's validity.  All I know is that many are treating as fact that she must die but they don't know how and are busy speculating and given these writers have limited imagination based on what I've seen this season I wouldn't be shocked if it happened like that.

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But if people are angry at them, but still watch, the network is happy. I'm not saying it's right, just that it's reality.

I agree as long as fans are watching it doesn't matter to them but if I was a showrunner and I had a choice between producing something that most people liked and had positive vibes about or churning out a story that had fans pissed off and furious most of the time I know which way I'd be going because in the end you run the risk that the dissatisfied fans will eventually quit watching. Why try and actively encourage that scenario? Seems very short sighted to me and reeks of arrogance and an inflated sense of ego. But many showrunners think they can pull the strings constantly manipulating fans emotions like puppets for shits and giggles and they'll always keep coming back for more suckers! I love it when that attitude comes back to bite them in the arse, serves them bloody well right. 

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