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Rumsy4

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Meh--the Charming centric will be a one-off as usual. If there is a connection with Hook as was teased at SDCC, that resentment may carry through a few episodes until it's resolved with a a bro-hug. 

From the Live Q&A, I got the feeling that Hook hasn't been to Agrabah, or at least, that he is not connected to the Aladdin story. 

Henry may not entirely be okay with Killian's and Emma's deepening relationship (why on earth not?). 

I don't remember anything really significant from the Q&A. They did answer a Question saying that wanted to tell Mal/Lily's story, but were trying to figure out how this season. I'm so surprised people keep asking about this.

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When everyone realized Rumple and Regina weren't coming back, they had a big celebration and put on a cloaking spell so they can never be found or contacted ever again.

Curio
Curio

At least someone is freaking out over Emma's darkness. Keep giving a shit, Hook! You're pretty much the only one who does...

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HER GRANDMA IS EMMA! Are they being serious with this?

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7 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Henry may not entirely be okay with Killian's and Emma's deepening relationship (why on earth not?). 

It'll probably be one of those things where they're totally cool at first, sword fighting with sticks and whatnot, and then as the season progresses Emma will start making Hook do some parenting stuff that might rub Henry the wrong way, and then big family hug by the finale. It could actually be interesting if the writers explored the fine line between Hook wanting to play the cool boyfriend card/being Henry's friend and slowly having to transition into an actual father figure who has to be strict and scold Henry. But Hook is already the only adult who calls Henry out as it is, so I don't see it being that big of a deal. 

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PixiePaws1

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In regard to the new article about the grizzly fate of Saviors ( &even here on the other side if the wirld, I  can smell the retcon!)....this could be the only time Killian's unwavering faith in Emma works against him. She keeps on giving and he keeps praising her for it (because hardly anyone else says thank you).

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Rumsy4

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Good point, @PixiePaws1

From the same article: 

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It turns out that Emma's ultimate villain -- besides herself -- is coming back in a very big way this season.

I don't get the "besides herself" part. Do they mean the Dark Swan?

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We've seen in the past that Emma's Jafar was always the Evil Queen

Ignoring the strange wording, Emma's ultimate nemesis is the Evil Queen. And Regina is Emma's BFF. What amazing depth in the writing!! Snow's ultimate nemesis is also the Evil Queen, and EQ!Regina will be going after Snow. Also, EQ!Regina loves Henry, but she also doesn't have a conscience. Bodes well for the season ... lol

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KingOfHearts

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"We've seen in the past that Emma's Jafar was always the Evil Queen. Now that she's out there somewhere, I would be worried about that," Kitsis teases.

Oh, I see. The Evil Queen is the ultimate antagonist, but because we need to keep Regina Emma's BFF, there had to be a split. 

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Rumsy4

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I may feel differently once the Show starts, but I can't take the EQ!Regina as a real person. She's a cardboard prop with Regina's face,--a clippy!Rumple version of Regina if you will. Then, at the end of the Season, Regina and EQ!Regina will inevitably rejoin back into one person. Nothing bad EQ!Regina does will be held against Regina, but her good impulses will be used to "prove" that Regina is good in her core. This split is just a way for A&E to indulge in writing for hero!Regina and villain!Regina at the same time without "tainting" the image of a redeemed Regina. 

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KAOS Agent

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Emma and the Evil Queen have met exactly once. I don't even think the Evil Queen cared about Emma other than that she was an obstacle in getting revenge on Snow. Emma's main nemesis was Mayor Mills, who the show has been at pains to tell us is not the Evil Queen. Furthermore, if the Evil Queen is Emma's ultimate villain and she's Regina's biggest demon, how does the show expect to go on after Season 6 once the Evil Queen is defeated? If both of the main characters have defeated their demons, what story is there to tell that's compelling? Also potentially annoying is the idea that we're getting 22 episodes of the Evil Queen plotting and everyone else doing nothing. It dragged in Season 1 when they still had interesting backstories and side plots to cover. I can't imagine how long this season will get if they have to dick around for 20 episodes before anything decent happens.

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KingOfHearts

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28 minutes ago, Curio said:

But, but...Regina is the Evil Queen! They're the same person!! Are they admitting Regina is Emma's ultimate nemesis?

But we won't find that out until 6x20. Until then, for all intents and purposes, she's totally different!

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Rumsy4

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I bet it won't be long before Regina starts whining about being victimized by the Evil Queen. Snow will have a scene where she sympathizes with Regina over their mutual enemy, and Regina will tell Snow that she can't really understand it becasue she hasn't experienced it like Regina has. 

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KingOfHearts

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From the way A&E were talking in the Evil Reigns Once More special, it really sounded like S6 is intended to be the final season. They were saying it's going back to Storybrooke after all the adventures in other realms and it's going to explore what everything has ultimately been for - the characters' happy endings. It sounds like a bookend to S1.

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Curio

Curio

10 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

From the way A&E were talking in the Evil Reigns Once More special, it really sounded like S6 is intended to be the final season.

Ugh, I hope not. For as much crap I give this show, there's still so much untapped potential that it'd be a huge waste for it to go out this year. I'll defer to the ABC President who thinks the show has more years in it and A&E's comment in the Facebook Live Chat thing yesterday where they said they'd maybe explore Lily and Mal's plot next year.

Or maybe they'll pull a Supernatural on us and A&E will write this season as if it's the last and give us the final ending they've always wanted. Eric Kripke basically did that in Season 5 of Supernatural and exited after he did his ending, and then other show runners entered to fill his void in later seasons. (I could actually see this show becoming better if that were to happen.)

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Eddy: "We saw [Jafar] in the ComicCon teaser, so I hope he's coming."

What the heck? You hope?

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Eddy: "You better watch out, because this Evil Queen makes the other Evil Queen look like Jiminy Cricket."

Why? How could the Evil Queen be worse with only half her psyche intact? I would argue she would be worse with Regina inside, because with Regina, she semi-justified her vengeance plot through her love for Daniel. EQ doesn't have emotional stakes. She's just a blind fury.

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RadioGirl27

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From the article I just posted in Spoilers Only. About Hook and Emma

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Killian and Emma: Now that Emma and Killian have had their romance-filled reunion after that hellish experience in the underworld, their honeymoon phase is, unfortunately, coming to a close. (Hey, it was a pretty romantic ride for a while there!)

Emma will be dealing with a jaw-dropping, heartbreaking issue over the course of this season, but rather than sharing her burden and fears with Killian, she's going to revert back to her old ways.

"What we're trying to explore is sort of these gray areas," Horowitz said. "It's a lie that's coming from a good place in her mind, but he's probably not going to feel that way if he finds out."

"When Emma has a problem, she reverts back to season one and those walls go up and she's like, 'I'll figure it out myself. I don’t need to tell anyone,'" Kitsis added. "The journey for her and Hook -- now that she said last year, 'I love you,' -- we thought, well, if you're letting that wall down and all those good things to come in, all the bad things are going to come in. That push-pull is kind of what's going to be driving them."

Wow. This is infuriating. Everything Emma has grown in the last 5 seasons gone for the sake of drama and angst.

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KingOfHearts

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A&E put a lot of stock in "going back to the main characters" in the recap special. The Land of Untold Stories people seem like a distraction to fill in time. They're not very different from Team Frozen or the Queens of Darkness. I'm sure they will be entertaining, but they interfere with the "small town stories" and "normal life" concepts. In S1, the guest characters were cursed and organically entered the narrative. This time, they're quite literally being dropped on top of Storybrooke. The writers are saying, "Here's a bunch of new toys. Now have fun!" That's not very different from S3-S5.

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I feel like it's been a long time since we've seen that many Storybrooke citizens in a scene. Not sure why that many people had to come out to track an airship, but it's better than that time Nimue was marking people for the Underworld and only managed to snag the main cast members and six remaining dwarves. 

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Rumsy4

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The Sneak Peek was alright, but nothing unexpected. Emma calling Hyde "Mutton-chops" was funny. Reminded of Emma's "Dairy Queen" moniker for Ingrid. 

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 Belle really has to figure out, 'How do I give birth to this child...

Belle has to decide between Natural delivery or C-section. Dr. Whale or a midwife. Normal gestation or onion-ring accelerated pregnancy. Riveting stuff. :-p

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Now that Emma and Killian have had their romance-filled reunion after that hellish experience in the underworld, their honeymoon phase is, unfortunately, coming to a close. 

What exactly was the honeymoon phase? Scratching my head. 

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Rumsy4

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2 minutes ago, RadioGirl27 said:

Well, the Underworld is really en vogue right now as a honeymoon destination.

Hook should start an "Our Decay" UW Travel Service by selling vials of his blood. Rumple could have a rival business of the same sort, with added dark magical perks. But Hook has a partnership going on with Arthur, and Arthur has themed tourist locations in Underbrooke where Hook's clients get special perks. The S6 feud between Hook and Rumple could be entirely based on business rivalry. 

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3 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Hook should start an "Our Decay" UW Travel Service by selling vials of his blood. Rumple could have a rival business of the same sort, with added dark magical perks. But Hook has a partnership going on with Arthur, and Arthur has themed tourist locations in Underbrooke where Hook's clients get special perks. The S6 feud between Hook and Rumple could be entirely based on business rivalry. 

That is brilliant! And Rumple can be working with Cruella who double crosses him when another opportunity for a stubble sandwich is presented to her.

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Rumsy4

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5 minutes ago, InsertWordHere said:

That is brilliant! And Rumple can be working with Cruella who double crosses him when another opportunity for a stubble sandwich is presented to her.

Haha ... yup. 

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YaddaYadda

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16 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Hyde looks scary. Why is his eye red? But he just seems like a generic vague bad guy so far. I'm not really seeing the "threat" of untold stories. 

Maybe he seems like a generic bad guy, but so far, we haven't had generic bad guys that are immune to magic. And he is, and that makes magic a no go, which means these people have to use their brains and I'm very much okay with that.

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KingOfHearts

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Maybe he seems like a generic bad guy, but so far, we haven't had generic bad guys that are immune to magic.

Hyde seems so much like your average villain that I really believe Jekyll will be the true antagonist. It seems like Hyde is cursed something. 

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Rumsy4

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1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

Maybe he seems like a generic bad guy, but so far, we haven't had generic bad guys that are immune to magic. And he is, and that makes magic a no go, which means these people have to use their brains and I'm very much okay with that.

Is it all that different from slapping the anti-magical bracelet on someone though? At various points, Rumple, Regina, Emma, Pan, and Zelena have been magically-neutered until somehow they get the cuff off and get their magic back to defeat the bad/good guy. Even Rumple used the Shadow/Dagger to kill Pan, even though he still had the cuff on. And we saw from the spoilers that Emma uses the blaster Snow filched from the Untold Story land against Hyde. I can already predict there will be a deux ex machina that will render Hyde (and presumably EQ!Regina) susceptible to magic at the climactic episode. 

Now, EQ!Regina with magic and not susceptible to it might be more dangerous than Hyde. Except I can't seriously consider EQ!Regina as a fully realized character. Hyde definitely seems more interesting right now, even with the generic bad guy vibes. 

26 minutes ago, InsertWordHere said:

Why am I not surprised that no one chimed in to tell Emma and Regina that Zelena tried blasting Hyde with magic and all it did was make him stronger? Can't miss a scene of Regina and Emma shooting light out of their fingers, it's riveting stuff!

Lol. Plus the audience will have forgotten!! We should be happy there's at least continuity. :-p

16 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Hyde seems so much like your average villain that I really believe Jekyll will be the true antagonist. It seems like Hyde is cursed something. 

I suspect that to be the case as well. Jekyll seems rather smarmy in some way. He doesn't look like a paragon, or Hyde's true "light" opposite. We've seen him threatening Belle for an upcoming episode. Also, I'm predicting Hyde to be redeemed and become Regina's LI at the end of the season. 

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Curio

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Eddy: "You better watch out, because this Evil Queen makes the other Evil Queen look like Jiminy Cricket."

"...well, she still loves Henry, she won't have sex with a heartless person, and she won't kill off any regular characters. But besides that, she's way worse than Evil Queen Version 1.0!"

Actually, considering Jiminy Cricket is now a verified weirdo who hangs out in Snow's breasts, I guess Eddy's description is kind of accurate.

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Selina K

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2 hours ago, Curio said:

It was 26 seconds long, apparently.

#NeverForget

50 minutes ago, Curio said:

Sam Witwer must be having a blast doing Bane impressions all day on set.

See, I was trying to if he was doing the old guy from Diablo, "Stay awhile and listen!" or a take off on Darrell Hammond's Sean Connery Jeopardy character.

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

1 hour ago, InsertWordHere said:

Why am I not surprised that no one chimed in to tell Emma and Regina that Zelena tried blasting Hyde with magic and all it did was make him stronger? Can't miss a scene of Regina and Emma shooting light out of their fingers, it's riveting stuff!

It's not like Emma turned around to consult them, plus she has light magic which is supposed to be different than what Zelena and Regina has. Hook pulls his sword out the second he sees Hyde. 

Even the whole what is that question from David was off because hi, the blimps were flying above head while he was in the Land of Untold Stories.

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Rumsy4

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53 minutes ago, sharky said:

And with all those inconsistencies and awkward dialogue, I'm pretty sure those were the scenes that had to be reshot. So whatever they had the first time was worse than that? Yikes. 

Or... the rewrite resulted in a drop in quality because of the rush job.

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KAOS Agent

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I'm just so disappointed with the interviews coming out that I'm not sure I want to watch the season. Emma has walls, guys! I know she took them all down (just like she does at the end of every season), but now they're back. Much drama! Much angst! We have zero creativity, so all our characters reset at the beginning of every season. And as a bonus for Emma, not only does she have walls again, but all the happy endings she worked hard to help everyone find are being taken away and that means her life is meaningless because Emma's worth is only measured by other people's happiness. I don't find this interesting. 

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Curio

Curio

Does anyone know if there were any set reports of the first time they shot that scene? I think I remember a scene where everyone was looking up at the sky on Main Street, but I can't find the link. I also don't remember reports of Emma and Regina having to use magic for the first shoot. I wonder what made them switch the scene to the woods and what made them add in the awkward magic stuff with Hyde. The Hyde stuff seemed tacked on and the Regina line about not using magic seemed awkward. Maybe those two elements were missing the first time and they were forced to add them in later to make the story less confusing?

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janett snakehole

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I was also wondering what it is they changed because what we got in the sneak peek is pretty lame. Maybe they decided to write something wonky with Regina's magic later on, so they reshot to include the magic bit? Or maybe they didn't include Hyde the first time around and decided to reshoot with his dialogue establishing the untold stories. idk It would be interesting to know what they started with. 

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Rumsy4

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22 minutes ago, janett snakehole said:

Or maybe they didn't include Hyde the first time around and decided to reshoot with his dialogue establishing the untold stories. idk It would be interesting to know what they started with. 

I think you have it. Maybe the execs asked for a reshoot because they thought people would have forgotten Hyde was impervious to magic, and that Rumple had "sold" Sb to Hyde (what even). Some people thought Hyde replaced Jekyll in the reshoot. Instead, Hyde was simply added.

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KingOfHearts

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and that Rumple had "sold" Sb to Hyde (what even).

Wouldn't be the first time Rumple "sold" Storybrooke to someone. *cough* Ingrid *cough* Whenever Hyde says, "Storybrooke is mine now", I'm like, "Okay...?" It's cringey for some reason.

It's kind of weird how Hyde just sort of appeared, said his piece, and walked away. Then after the eternity he could have been gone already, Regina and Emma decided to blast him with magic. It was weird.

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janett snakehole

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2 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

Wouldn't be the first time Rumple "sold" Storybrooke to someone. *cough* Ingrid *cough* Whenever Hyde says, "Storybrooke is mine now", I'm like, "Okay...?" It's cringey for some reason.

It's kind of weird how Hyde just sort of appeared, said his piece, and walked away. Then after the eternity he could have been gone already, Regina and Emma decided to blast him with magic. It was weird.

Yes, everything you said. 

The whole conception of the scene was odd. "Storybrooke is mine." What does that even mean though?? That would have been a perfect time for a "what the hell" from Emma. 

Hyde essentially giving the gathered lookie loos a "previously on once upon a time" made for awkward tv. As I always ask myself when watching this show- is this really the best they could do?

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