Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[YaddaYadda]

11 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

It depends on the wand, I believe. Emma needed magic to use the Black Fairy's Wand in 3x22. Though, that was because Emma's magic needed to tell it what to recreate.

I think the Black Fairy's wand is supposed to be unique though. I don't even remember why they introduced that wand in the first place other than it was during 3x11. 

9 minutes ago, Curio said:

I think Emma's using the same magical stun gun thing Snow used at the asylum in the finale. (Finally they're starting to use magical defense weapons. I've been saying this for years now.)

It does look like the wand which seems to be the only thing that slowed Hyde down. That and Rumple going Vader on him.

[KingOfHearts]

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Title; episode 6x02 - A Bitter Draught

Well that's a bit random. It does make me think of Agrabah though. What's the tagline? #StorybrookeIsDried? #TheDraughtIsComing?

Edited July 13, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Curio]

Some jumping off points...

draught: 

• British spelling of draft

• current of air, esp one intruding into an enclosed space

• the act of pulling a load, as by a vehicle or animal

  - (as modifier): a draught horse 

• the load or quantity drawn

• a portion of liquid to be drunk, esp a dose of medicine

• the act or an instance of drinking; a gulp or swallow

• the act or process of drawing air, smoke, etc, into the lungs

• the amount of air, smoke, etc, inhaled in one breath

• (Brewing)

  - beer, wine, etc, stored in bulk, esp in a cask, as opposed to being bottled

  - (as modifier): draught beer

  - on draught drawn from a cask or keg

• (Chess & Draughts) Also called: draughtsman any one of the 12 flat thick discs used byeach player in the game of draughts. US and Canadian equivalent: checker

•  (Nautical Terms) the depth of a loaded vessel in the water, taken from the level of thewaterline to the lowest point of the hull

•  feel the draught to be short of money

[Shanna Marie]

8 minutes ago, Curio said:

a portion of liquid to be drunk, esp a dose of medicine

That would be my guess of the meaning, unless they're being clever and using a double meaning. I believe I've heard "a bitter draught" as a variation on "a bitter pill to swallow" as an idiom.

[YaddaYadda]

3 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

That would be my guess of the meaning, unless they're being clever and using a double meaning. I believe I've heard "a bitter draught" as a variation on "a bitter pill to swallow" as an idiom.

That's exactly how I'm seeing it, especially since I'm certain 6x02 will be a Regina episode.

[Selina K]

I would agree it means a drink or a potion.  I've seen that usage in different fairy tales to mean some kind of nasty drink someone had to choke down so it would fit with the origin material.  Which of course means that won't be how it is used.

After a quick glance at the picture of Emma holding a wand / gun whatever, I thought it was a light saber.

[maryle]

I love the spoiler of Emma fighting! 

[Curio]

So let me get this straight...

Within the past 24-48 hours, Robin Hood has died, Killian has come back to life, Regina has split herself in two, and Emma gets stabbed with a sword? Looks like Henry was right, magic should be destroyed if it mostly brings pain. This is why we need a time jump.

Hopefully Emma getting stabbed is some kind of Savior prophecy, not a cheap tactic to conveniently make way for Regina to become a new Savior. Or it's just a dream.

Edited July 14, 2016 by Curio

[RadioGirl27]

I think (hope) it's a dream. 

[Rumsy4]

2 hours ago, retrograde said:

Description of scene filmed Wednesday:

Photos here and here

 

2 hours ago, Curio said:

Hopefully Emma getting stabbed is some kind of Savior prophecy, not a cheap tactic to conveniently make way for Regina to become a new Savior. Or it's just a dream.

Morpheus shenanigans, perhaps?

[maryle]

I Just hope this scene is meaningful  so if it is a Dream like a lot of people think.  Wishing it some kind of vision. Anything but something that matter to Emma's and all her family. So rare to have a real meaty storyline for them. 

And maybe it is a way of showing that Emma is still the savior. I mean it is obvious that Emma is not going to die. 

The rumbeller going to be angry they so wished Morpheus was a big rumbelle 's story.

Edited July 14, 2016 by maryle
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[YaddaYadda]

12 minutes ago, maryle said:

The rumbeller going to be angry they so wished Morpheus was a big rumbelle 's story.

Morpheus doesn't have to be physically present in Storybrooke to affect someone's dreams. He should be able to do it from anywhere really.

Emma is dressed differently. She goes from that sweater she has been wearing to the camisole during her fight scenes. I don't know if it was used during rehearsal or whatever, but this scene is way reminiscent of 5x11 when Emma made the choice that she would die to save everyone. 

[KingOfHearts]

So in the same episode titled "The Savior", Emma gets stabbed. If it's a dream, could the hooded figure be Nimue? She could represent the Dark One PTSD. Maybe Emma is afraid of her own darkness. That would fit the theme between Regina/EQ and Jekyll/Hyde.

Edited July 14, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[YaddaYadda]

If Emma is getting stabbed in a dream, I'm willing to bet she will get stabbed for real at some point during the season.

Because this is how the show rolls.

[Curio]

4 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

If Emma is getting stabbed in a dream, I'm willing to bet she will get stabbed for real at some point during the season.

Stabbed with a certain Evil Queen's sleeping curse perhaps...

Wait, it's TS;TW. There's a 95% chance this has no bearing on continuity later on.

[KingOfHearts]

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Wait, it's TS;TW. There's a 95% chance this has no bearing on continuity later on.

It probably has as much bearing as Merlin's warning in 5x01.

[RadioGirl27]

Looking at the pics,  I think it's a dream. Emma is dressed differently, using a sword and it looks that they were using a smoke machine.

Edited July 14, 2016 by RadioGirl27

[KingOfHearts]

1 minute ago, RadioGirl27 said:

Looking at the pics ,  I think it's a dream. Emma is dressed differently, using a sword and in some pics it looks that they were using a smoke machine.

Oh the masked figure is faceless. Forget my Nimue theory then.

Edited July 14, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Shanna Marie]

At least some of those shots have to be rehearsal, since in the ones showing Hook comforting Henry, Hook isn't wearing the leather jacket (just shirt and vest) and has a left hand. I guess that could be a dream, as well, but while I could imagine either Emma or Hook dreaming him having a hand, I'm not sure they'd dream him randomly not wearing the jacket.

[maryle]

After seing more pic. I do believe Emma is fighting against a Nimu figure or her DS still in her a bit. I hope she is Archie new patient because she have nighmare and troubles sleeping. I mean they talked about Emma not sleeping so for once the continuty will make sens. And still be connected with the all dual personnality. 

But, there I realize that this arc is really just stuff we already see in previous season.

[Rumsy4]

Adam tweeted that they just filmed a teaser for Comic Con. It could be the stabbing scene. In which case, it will definitely have little to do with the actual season. 

[Curio]

It's hard to speculate about what's going on in the stabbing scene because we have no idea what the theme is for this arc. Is the theme just, "Evil Queen is back, bitches! Oh, and occasionally each character will get a centric where they become conflicted by the opposite part of their personality, and we'll show that metaphorically through the Untold Characters' stories"?

[Serena]

11 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Adam tweeted that they just filmed a teaser for Comic Con. It could be the stabbing scene. In which case, it will definitely have little to do with the actual season. 

A teaser with no Regina? Color me skeptical.

[Curio]

1 minute ago, Serena said:

A teaser with no Regina? Color me skeptical.

What if Regina is the hooded figure? Dun dun dunnnn...

[YaddaYadda]

I'm sure whatever surprise they filmed is Evil Queen related.

[maryle]

I saw that and now I Just prepare myself for that been the case but I also think that the comic con tease is probably shoot indoor and not in public. But will see in 9 days

[pezgirl7]

I've fixed the 6.02 episode title:

http://hooked-on-hiddles.tumblr.com/post/147406436000/there-were-some-mistakes-in-the-602-episode

[maryle]

There also a rumor about Graham been back for 2 episode. Not sure about this one because J.D seems bigger than Once now but who know? 

That definetively could bring buzz  but I am only intetesting if the fact that Regina killed him is address if not its kind of pointless.

[Hookian]

Oh please please let Emma beat the crap out of Regina for what she did to Graham. Then end this joke of a friendship once and for all.

[YaddaYadda]

25 minutes ago, Hookian said:

Oh please please let Emma beat the crap out of Regina for what she did to Graham. Then end this joke of a friendship once and for all.

Very unlikely to happen. They'll blame the EQ for doing this. Totally cheapens the death, and they couldn't bring him back at a worst time imo.

[Serena]

You guys, Graham will be back now that EQ/Regina are split so that Emma can get mad at the EQ while giving Regina a pass because it wasn't her who did it! It's exactly the kind of infuriating bullshit they would pull.

[Rumsy4]

Manipulative and dishonest, if that is the case. But I can't say I'd be surprised. 

Thinking over the comic con preview, I agree with you guys. It'll probably be something involving Regina, and filmed in secret. 

[Curio]

I've probably annoyed many forum members here with my constant whining about the lack of resolution for Graham's murder, but I absolutely do not trust these writers to address that situation in any sensitive or meaningful way, so I pray to Zeus this is just a rumor. I'd rather have no Dornan and never bring up Graham's death again than bring him back only to exonerate Regina of the murder and let her stay BFFs with Graham's friends. If they are in fact bringing him back, the only purpose I could see it serving is to remind Emma that Mayor Regina—not the Evil Queen—is still capable of murdering her friends. If it's any other reason, it's a retcon.

But until we're given hard evidence this is a real thing, this is more speculative than spoilery.

[Trini]

6 minutes ago, Curio said:

I've probably annoyed many forum members here with my constant whining about the lack of resolution for Graham's murder, but

Not me! NEVER FORGET.

[YaddaYadda]

I think the ship has sailed on that particular resolution anyway. They had 4 seasons to get it done, but to choose to do it at a time when Regina and EQ are 2 separate entities is such a no go for me. No one will be pissed at Regina even though those were her actions. She'll get a pat on the back and a lot of understanding instead. 

If Graham comes back and haunts Regina but real good, and blames her for his rape, control and death, and he tells her how she can't blame the EQ because they are one and the same, I can get on board.

Otherwise, no thanks.

[Shanna Marie]

There is kind of a muddle in the varying ways they've presented Regina vs. the Evil Queen.

Sometimes, it's like Regina is the Storybrooke identity and the Evil Queen is the Enchanted Forest identity -- like Mary Margaret vs. Snow White. But then there's the "I was a different person then" stuff, referring to her past bad acts, and Regina did plenty of bad stuff. It was Regina who abused Henry, murdered Graham, ordered Katharine's kidnapping and murder, framed Mary Margaret for that murder and then let Sydney take the fall for the kidnapping and frame job, tried to kill Emma, tried to kill David, abused Henry some more, and set up the failsafe to kill the whole town. In that case, the costume change had nothing to do with it, so I suppose the "different person" is pre-Neverland. Now, though, the difference between the Evil Queen and Regina is that the Evil Queen is the Hyde to Regina's Jekyll, all of Regina's dark impulses personified. That's something entirely different from Regina wearing a different costume and from Regina before she stopped killing people. Those dark impulses have been part of her all along, even after she changed clothes and even after she stopped killing people. This should be a new version of Regina unlike any we've seen before. Except the filming reports talk about Regina yelling and getting snappy, so are they really presenting it as Regina without any darkness, or are they just going with Storybrooke Regina (no different from her usual self) vs. the Evil Queen (no different from what we've seen in flashbacks)?

[Curio]

6 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

Sometimes, it's like Regina is the Storybrooke identity and the Evil Queen is the Enchanted Forest identity -- like Mary Margaret vs. Snow White. But then there's the "I was a different person then" stuff, referring to her past bad acts, and Regina did plenty of bad stuff. It was Regina who abused Henry, murdered Graham, ordered Katharine's kidnapping and murder, framed Mary Margaret for that murder and then let Sydney take the fall for the kidnapping and frame job, tried to kill Emma, tried to kill David, abused Henry some more, and set up the failsafe to kill the whole town. In that case, the costume change had nothing to do with it, so I suppose the "different person" is pre-Neverland. Now, though, the difference between the Evil Queen and Regina is that the Evil Queen is the Hyde to Regina's Jekyll, all of Regina's dark impulses personified. That's something entirely different from Regina wearing a different costume and from Regina before she stopped killing people. Those dark impulses have been part of her all along, even after she changed clothes and even after she stopped killing people. This should be a new version of Regina unlike any we've seen before. Except the filming reports talk about Regina yelling and getting snappy, so are they really presenting it as Regina without any darkness, or are they just going with Storybrooke Regina (no different from her usual self) vs. the Evil Queen (no different from what we've seen in flashbacks)?

This perfectly sums up why I'm going to despise this upcoming arc.

Does anyone know if Morpheus is a multiple-episode character, or just a one-off for the premiere? It would be kind of cool to get a look inside every main character's head and see what they consider to be their worst nightmare. But since it's TS;TW, that would probably be limited to only one or two characters.

[Rumsy4]

Graham is not returning. Though why that person tweeting Adam thought he would necessarily come back alive is beyond me. It's not like the concept of flashback or dream/vision is new for the Show. Probably an excuse to complain about Robin Hood.

[Mitch]

On 7/13/2016 at 3:49 AM, KAOS Agent said:

Nah, Hyde seems to be choking her. It's True Love. They need to get right on that. Perhaps a 20 minute walk. Or a bike ride. They'll be ready for a curse breaking kiss in no time.

Also, how exciting that Regina & Snow seem to be having yet another heart to heart. Why can't she have a chat with Granny or something and mix it up.  I feel like a Granny/Regina conversation/pep talk has the potential to be seriously awesome. Let the characters out of their interaction boxes.

I would love a Granny/Regina talk. Granny takes no crap and it would be hilarious to see her ring Regina's beads...while serving her pancakes of course. We need more Granny one liners and kicking ass. Once is a soap , and each classic soap has a advice giving grandmother..sometimes sweet, sometimes Granny tough.

[Souris]

18 hours ago, Rumsy4 said:

Graham is not returning. Though why that person tweeting Adam thought he would necessarily come back alive is beyond me. It's not like the concept of flashback or dream/vision is new for the Show. Probably an excuse to complain about Robin Hood.

The thing is, we can't trust Adam 100%. A&E have bald-faced lied before.

[Souris]

Lana was practicing sword-fighting today, so Regina will probably be revealed as the figure in the hood. They'll probably film that reveal in studio.

It's probably a dream/vision to warn Emma. It could also be their special teaser for SDCC, though that would be pretty elaborate & time-consuming for just that.

Edited July 15, 2016 by Souris

[YaddaYadda]

1 hour ago, Souris said:

Lana was practicing sword-fighting today, so Regina will probably be revealed as the figure in the hood. They'll probably film that reveal in studio.

It's probably a dream/vision to warn Emma. It could also be their special teaser for SDCC, though that would be pretty elaborate & time-consuming for just that.

I don't think this is for SDCC. I think they'll do something like they did with Elsa when she arrived in town.

Also, the only person who is not present during Emma's sword fight is Regina even though Henry is present. So I'm thinking that there might be something to it.

I'm also impressed by how big that set is. 

ETA - Also, is it just me or is Lana's hair looking like it's season 1 hair length?

Edited July 15, 2016 by YaddaYadda

[KingOfHearts]

I suspect an Aladdin reveal at SDCC. Sinbad, Scherezade and Morpheus fit the casting, and the show is lacking a marketable element to drum up hype with. The Evil Queen won't be enough, in my opinion. An Aladdin reveal makes sense but I'm not putting all my eggs in that basket just yet.

Edited July 15, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[maryle]

Well, I saw the  Lana thing and was now sure the hidden figure was EQ or Regina. But,  Adam said it was from two différents episode. 

So , I guess the real important spoiler is that Hook has a  sword and Regina have one also.

[Curio]

10 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

I suspect an Aladdin reveal at SDCC. Sinbad, Scherezade and Morpheus fit the casting, and the show is lacking a marketable element to drum up hype with. The Evil Queen won't be enough, in my opinion.

Agreed. I'm still hoping we can get Sinbad and Scherezade on top of Jasmine and Aladdin in Season 6, but it's looking more and more like those casting calls were name-swapped to keep it a secret longer.

I wonder, if Jasmine and Aladdin bring in good ratings, will ABC consider keeping them on as regulars/semi-regulars going into the future? They did it with Captain Hook, Belle, and partially with Robin Hood and Will.

[Rumsy4]

Morpheus looks hot.

[Shanna Marie]

13 minutes ago, Curio said:

I wonder, if Jasmine and Aladdin bring in good ratings, will ABC consider keeping them on as regulars/semi-regulars going into the future?

Can this show really support more new cast members? I guess they made some room in getting rid of Robin, but they barely manage to write for the existing cast, as it is. Will was a perfect case study in the problem of adding a character/actor because he was popular and they liked him without apparently having much of a plan. I'd love it if they worked more with the semi regulars than with guest characters -- instead of random new person we've never seen before and will never see again imparting the Valuable Lesson in a flashback or appearing as a town resident in one episode, use someone we already know who has an existing relationship with the main characters. Though we should probably wait and see how they handle Jasmine and Aladdin before we decide whether we want them back. They did a great job with some of the Frozen characters, and I wouldn't mind seeing Elsa again, but while I loved movie Merida and was looking forward to having her on the show, I kind of want to set the TV version on fire.

[YaddaYadda]

Anyone clamoring for Aladdin and Jasmine should know that Eddie hates Jasmine. The only thing that might save her is that Disney might not let him trash one of their princesses, although they've done a number on Belle. Yeah, I don't know.

I was stoked for Sinbad and Scheherazade. Scheherazade is a storyteller in her own right, and it might have been nice to have someone like that to balance out Henry's douchiness when it comes to his title. You know, a sure hand to guide him since the role was sort of dumped on him.

[RadioGirl27]

Ugh, Emma has a sword fight, so Regina also has a sword fight.

And, yeah, at least Morpheus looks hot. But it seems he is going to interact with Belle and Rumple, so ugh.

[Curio]

4 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Anyone clamoring for Aladdin and Jasmine should know that Eddie hates Jasmine.

How did you hear about this? I mean, it's so totally random that I'd believe he'd say it, but still.