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Spencer Reid: Gorgeous Gray Matter

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Cobalt Stargazer
Cobalt Stargazer

I don't know if this belongs here or in the obsession thread, but I watched Angels and Demons back to back on ION tonight, and Spencer's final scene with Alex has me all verklempt. I suppose it's kind

normasm
normasm

Oh, it definitely does. Once again, someone he "got" and who "got" him is gone. He's a much stronger man now, but, yeah, it still hurts.   Oh, the subtext running across that gorgeous face! That's a

Knittzu
Knittzu

Because this show is no longer entertaining me, I have to make my own fun.   I want to know where Reid goes when he vanishes at the mid-way point of most episodes.   Is he being chronically abduct

Danielg342

Danielg342

Thinking of Morgan's longevity with the show made me think of Reid's longevity- both characters are the only ones who have appeared in every single CM episode- and, while I'm not sure if Morgan would be up for it, I think Reid could have a legitimate shot at breaking John Munch's record for the longest time depicting one character. Much had 22 years on Homicide: Life on the Street and Law & Order: Special Victims Unit before his character retired last season (in fairness, Richard Belzer is 70).

 

Reid, however, is young enough (Matthew Gray Gubler is 35 this Monday) that if CM were to continue for that long (unlikely, but you never know) or if he wanted to continue playing the character (more likely) that another 13 seasons of Reid (which would break Munch's record) is more than doable. Of course, the question would be, since Gubler is still young by Hollywood standards, would he want to continue playing Reid until he's almost 50 or would he take advantage of his youth and try for something more, because he'd be capable of it.

 

Personally, I could watch another 13 years of Reid, especially if CBS wises up and just hands him his own show. Maybe it's just me, though.

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Old Dog

Old Dog

Thinking of Morgan's longevity with the show made me think of Reid's longevity- both characters are the only ones who have appeared in every single CM episode- and, while I'm not sure if Morgan would be up for it, I think Reid could have a legitimate shot at breaking John Munch's record for the longest time depicting one character. Much had 22 years on Homicide: Life on the Street and Law & Order: Special Victims Unit before his character retired last season (in fairness, Richard Belzer is 70).

 

Reid, however, is young enough (Matthew Gray Gubler is 35 this Monday) that if CM were to continue for that long (unlikely, but you never know) or if he wanted to continue playing the character (more likely) that another 13 seasons of Reid (which would break Munch's record) is more than doable. Of course, the question would be, since Gubler is still young by Hollywood standards, would he want to continue playing Reid until he's almost 50 or would he take advantage of his youth and try for something more, because he'd be capable of it.

 

Personally, I could watch another 13 years of Reid, especially if CBS wises up and just hands him his own show. Maybe it's just me, though.

It;s not just you! I love the character of Reid and would happily watch him another 13 years! Mind you, I could happily just watch Matthew in anything, anytime!

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Danielg342

Danielg342

I agree, FA. But he could buy the rights to his character like Belzer did, thus ensuring his characterization would be fantastic.

I hope he does that. Given that he's starting to push back on stories for his character that he didn't like, he might be starting to realize Reid deserves more.

Maybe his own spinoff becomes a reality. :)

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Droogie

Droogie

I hope he does that. Given that he's starting to push back on stories for his character that he didn't like, he might be starting to realize Reid deserves more.

Maybe his own spinoff becomes a reality. :)

He could, but I don't believe this is actually what he really wants for himself, given all of his unique side choices. It seems like he genuinely loves his fellow cast members, and that is a big reason he has even stayed this long.

Although, being Spencer Reid for 10 years on a lucrative TV show has given him a lot of freedom and opportunities he may not otherwise have had...

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zannej

zannej

I actually suspect that Matthew was ready to hang up Reid's cardigans back in season 6 but that he stayed out of loyalty. I have no proof of this suspicion, but I don't think the character makes him very happy (although that is mostly because of the writing for him-- they seem to mostly write tragedy for him). I don't think he would want to continue playing the character that long. I don't think he would totally balk at it if someone asked him to play Reid on say a spinoff or something though-- at least in a guest spot. He played Reid at a little comedy thing in LA.. I'm trying to remember the name of it... But his ultimate profile of someone was that "he's a world class asshole". LOL. I think maybe it was Top Story Weekly....

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ForeverAlone

ForeverAlone

Well...it honestly depends on what social media platform you look at. I mean, Matthew leads when it comes to Twitter, but Shemar blows him out of the water on Facebook and Instagram. But what is consistent, is that based on social media, the most popular people on that show are under represented in terms of screen time.

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missmycat

missmycat

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Well...it honestly depends on what social media platform you look at. I mean, Matthew leads when it comes to Twitter, but Shemar blows him out of the water on Facebook and Instagram. But what is consistent, is that based on social media, the most popular people on that show are under represented in terms of screen time.

FA I honestly feel the reason for that is because out of all the cast Shemar has the biggest following when it comes to CM's international audience.And somebody told me once that a show's Facebook following has a lot to do with it's international audience. But having a huge international following does little to help a show's rating. As evidence by the fact that CM has over 15 million followers on Facebook but when it comes to it's live + same day ratings it is only getting around 10 million viewers.

 

I continue to be off the opinion that when it comes to the CM's domestic audience(the audience that brings in the ratings) MGG/Reid is the show's biggest draw.followed by Shemar. Again this is just my opinion.But it really doesn't matter anyway,because most of the time it seemed like AJ/JJ was treated like she was the show's biggest draw both domestically and internationally.

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MCatry

MCatry

Figures on facebook, Instagram and twitter are affected by the age of the users. The latest demographic studies for this current year show that older users prefer facebook, while younger adults use the three of them. Gubler is younger, and even though he has older fans, his fanbase age is lower than Moore's. In addition, Moore has some long term fans from his days on that soap opera (the young and the....?) since he is not only ten years older than Gubler, but also his carrear is longer, so their figures cannot be compared in just plain quantitative ways.

It depends on who the show's managers are aiming to. Who knows: maybe they are trying to attract male audience by using Cook and Hewitt, since they think they have the female audience on their pockets. Quite a few of us are still hanging there, even just to see our favourite ones for a couple of minutes and a handful of lines.

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zannej

zannej

In sad news, A & E has yanked the video from youtube, region-locked it so that it is no longer viewable in North America. Because they eat a bowl of dicks. :-(

ROTFLMAO!! I've heard that expression before, but it really amuses me.

 

Another must-see is Matthew's New York story at the Paley Center (too lazy to get the url right now).

zannej

zannej

LOL. There is so much weirdness from Matthew, I doubt if Hunter even notices the hair.

 

A slight change of topic, and sort of moving a discussion over from the Rock Creek Park thread:

 

We were talking about why Reid now rejects handshakes. I'll have to see if I can get someone to help me find the original tweet.. But Matthew was the one who said that he played Reid as a germaphobe and that was why Reid didn't like to shake hands. 

 

My pet theory is that the earlier writers didn't pay much attention to that and it wasn't much of an issue because they were giving Matthew more to work with. In later seasons, they stopped giving him anything to work with and I think he was getting bored or feeling unchallenged and he wanted something to do-- maybe a little something to help him get in to character. He has to believe in the character to get in to character, so when all he was doing was spouting random factoids, it was probably harder. The germaphobia angle gave him something to think about. He apparently said that he wanted to switch to the revolver and use the appendix carry to make himself stand out a bit more.

 

So basically he wants Reid to be different and unique. The show started making all of the contributions from the team members very generic-- not reflecting their unique perspectives, personalities, and experiences. Even though we see more personal stuff, I think we often get less insight into their actual personalities in many ways.

 

I found it offputting the first time that Reid actively rejected a handshake. I did not think that was in character, but I wonder if the writers added that as some way to appease Matthew for lack of giving him anything else to do. If they couldn't come up with decent lines and something meaty for him, I think they threw him a bone on the germaphobia thing and had him not shake hands, just so he could have something to do.

 

If I try to rationalize it, I can just assume that Reid's germaphobia is a very irrational phobia and that emotionally, if he doesn't know someone or doesn't like them he sort of imagines them as being more dirty. He can shake hands with people he knows and likes because he doesn't think about the germs as much-- although I think it would be hilarious of one of the team had absolutely filthy hands and tried to touch him and he dodged and would be like "hey! you need to wash your hands!" or something. I'd love to see a plumber or janitor who just got their hands out of a toilet without washing their hands reach over and shake Reid's hand or put their hand on the back of his neck and pat him or something and have him freak out that he has to go shower or wash the germs off. Or someone can shake hands with another team member and say "guess where its been!" (which is what my old vet used to say whenever he shook hands with people). Why Reid didn't reject handshakes in the beginning, I can rationalize as his germaphobia getting worse over the years. I'm not a germaphobe, but I am more conscious of germs and such than I was 10 years ago. I'm more aware of dirt after I got a skin infection involving parasites from dirt under the house (that my cats brought in). So, maybe something happened with Reid off-screen that made him worry even more about germs.

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Old Dog

Old Dog

I rationalize the germophobia for myself by Reid originally being shy, insecure and wanting to fit in so making himself conform and shake hands  but, as he has gained in confidence and security in his position, he feels able to avoid doing it. Of course, it was never originally a thing until Matthew brought it in as a characteristic.It could also be getting worse as that does seem to happen in reality.

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zannej

zannej

I rationalize the germophobia for myself by Reid originally being shy, insecure and wanting to fit in so making himself conform and shake hands  but, as he has gained in confidence and security in his position, he feels able to avoid doing it. Of course, it was never originally a thing until Matthew brought it in as a characteristic.It could also be getting worse as that does seem to happen in reality.

That's an interesting idea. I hadn't thought of that. It actually makes sense. Its possible that he was shaking hands to conform and maybe Gideon told him to shake hands or he was worried about being rejected or something if he didn't do what he was expected to do. Now that he's older, more confident, and more established he can have the freedom to not do something if he's not comfortable. I think it could be that combined with the phobia worsening.

 

I remember when Howie Mandel had a full head of curly hair and I think he even used to shake hands with people. Then he got even more worried about germs, shaved his head, and won't shake hands. But he will hug people and do fistbumps. If someone coughs or sneezes he'll run. LOL.

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Droogie

Droogie

I rationalize the germophobia for myself by Reid originally being shy, insecure and wanting to fit in so making himself conform and shake hands  but, as he has gained in confidence and security in his position, he feels able to avoid doing it. Of course, it was never originally a thing until Matthew brought it in as a characteristic.It could also be getting worse as that does seem to happen in reality.

This makes sense. I guess he could be somewhat of a germophobe as well -- I'd call it more of a quirk than actual phobia, since shaking hands seems to be the only thing he actively avoids. Quirks and phobias aren't necessarily rational. I'm no germophobe, and as a nurse, I have my hands in a lot of places that non-nurses would find revolting (even though I'm wearing gloves and washing religiously). But I can't bring myself to touch surfaces and handles in a public restroom; I'm pretty creative with my elbows and feet. I've actually stood in place for several minutes waiting for someone to come in so I can fling myself out the door without touching it.

Seems to me like the first person whose extended hand Reid studiously avoided was that detective, who had previously tried to railroad Morgan. Maybe he has to really know and trust someone to accept a handshake from them, and that guy didn't pass muster.

zannej

zannej

Actually, that detective was not the first to be snubbed by Reid. There was someone at a crime scene-- I can't remember if it was a cop or one of the evidence techs or who the guy was, but Reid refused to shake his hand. I remember thinking it was very odd and out-of-character at the time because Reid had never flat-out pulled his hand away to avoid a shake before.

 

It made more sense with the guy you mentioned because the guy had treated Morgan like crap (although I think he really regretted it and you could see on his face that he wanted to apologize when he realized what had happened).

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