JMO January 30, 2015 Share January 30, 2015 When he mopped his tear with that crumpled tissue, and his hands were shaking... Good grief. That's why I loved what came after. The makeup crew can fake a tear with a variety of irritants. But the tissue, and the shaking hands---that was all MGG. 5 Link to comment
normasm January 30, 2015 Share January 30, 2015 And it was soooooo subtly done, no over-the-top sobbing or shaking, just a strangled sob and the instinctual hiding his tears behind the sopping tissue with a little tremble. That really must be so hard to do that subtly, really. It would be easier to do the big boo-hoo, IMO. 5 Link to comment
JMO January 30, 2015 Share January 30, 2015 I agree. I thought it was so much more effective than the sobbing at the end of Lauren. To me, that scene has always felt strange. When it comes to crying on screen, less is definitely more. 3 Link to comment
Droogie January 30, 2015 Share January 30, 2015 I know, Droogie, the soggy tissue was the thing, wasn't it? If they sold that tissue on eBay, I'd probably bid on it. I agree. I thought it was so much more effective than the sobbing at the end of Lauren. To me, that scene has always felt strange. When it comes to crying on screen, less is definitely more. I didn't so much go for that either. But I read an interview with someone who was asked how hard it is to get MGG to actually cry in a scene, and the person said that he can truly cry on command. I believe it. 5 Link to comment
MCatry January 30, 2015 Share January 30, 2015 I agree. I thought it was so much more effective than the sobbing at the end of Lauren. To me, that scene has always felt strange. When it comes to crying on screen, less is definitely more. I think these two were different situations, and the crying was appropriated in both. In Lauren they all still had hope that things would get better, and when JJ came in with the bad news, bawling was ok. In Gideon's dead Reid already knew what was going on. That is why he sat still in the car for a few moments, to gather the strength to face the situation. And he didn't bawl because I am pretty sure he already did, at home or at whatever place he was when he received the news. When my dad died at the hospital it was my mother's shift to take care of him, so she called me at my house, and I didn't cry straight away, but as soon as I hanged up the phone I bawled. Then, when I calmed down I drove to the hospital and when I saw my dad I felt as if all the air I had suddenly had left my body, and I had to sat down by my sister's side. Neither of us cried then because we were just exhausted. Crying really wear you out. 4 Link to comment
zannej January 31, 2015 Share January 31, 2015 I know different people deal with death in different ways. I thought Reid's reaction to both "deaths" (Emily's and Gideon's) was realistic. Matthew is a method actor so he makes himself feel the grief (which might be why he doesn't want to do some of the sad stuff as much-- and I don't blame him). I like that he doesn't always cry the exact same way-- there are variations depending on the situation. He's also one of the few male actors I've seen who gets snot dripping from his nose in some crying scenes (I believe he did that in "Revelations"). McCatry, I'm so sorry about your Dad. I lost mine a few years ago, but sometimes it still feels like yesterday. When Reid was crying over Gideon, it made me think of my father's death. I just hope they don't kill off anyone else in Reid's life though. He needs some happiness-- but not done in a really sappy gag-a-maggot way. Matthew has proven that he can do romantic scenes well. He really has a lot of range, but he doesn't get to show it much on this show. 5 Link to comment
JMO January 31, 2015 Share January 31, 2015 So sorry for your loss, MCatry. There's never a right time. 3 Link to comment
MCatry January 31, 2015 Share January 31, 2015 It's all good, pals. My dad died a little over two years ago, so even though its rather recent, it feels for me as if it has been ages ago, given the amount of time we wait for him to finally die. Sometimes death is a relief, and, as my mother would say, we all gonna die sooner or later. My point is that when you know already that someone died, you get a different reaction than when you just find that out at the very same instant. I consider myself lucky, because I was able to say goodbye, but I can't imagine how painful may be to go to a hospital to find out that your loved one just died. Regarding Reid, and Gubler, I don't quite remember any other male actor that really cries that well. I think Gubler got quite a few fans with his first tears at LDSK, and fans only wanted to hug him to make him feel better. 5 Link to comment
normasm January 31, 2015 Share January 31, 2015 MCatry, I lost my dad 20 years ago and my mother 19, and the reaction to each of the deaths, for me was different, not because I loved them to different degrees, but because they and the circumstances were different each time. When my mother died, I had gone through my father's, death, so it was different from that, too. My daddy's death was so sad for me, but my mother's death set up a sustained longing and homesickness that has abated somewhat, but not entirely. So many things come into play when a person encounters the deaths of people s/he loves. I can see Reid being plausibly different in his reaction to the deaths of Emily, Maeve, Gideon, even Tobias. He's older now, and that makes a difference, too, but when parental figures die, we all revert to our child selves, I think, at least for a period. 5 Link to comment
MCatry January 31, 2015 Share January 31, 2015 So many things come into play when a person encounters the deaths of people s/he loves. I can see Reid being plausibly different in his reaction to the deaths of Emily, Maeve, Gideon, even Tobias. He's older now, and that makes a difference, too, but when parental figures die, we all revert to our child selves, I think, at least for a period. That is so true. Even nowadays, when I find something belonging to my dad it brings me back to when I was a child and we all lived together. Reid's line is so true: it's not the same to know that your loved ones are no longer out there. 6 Link to comment
Droogie January 31, 2015 Share January 31, 2015 (edited) So many things come into play when a person encounters the deaths of people s/he loves. I can see Reid being plausibly different in his reaction to the deaths of Emily, Maeve, Gideon, even Tobias. He's older now, and that makes a difference, too, but when parental figures die, we all revert to our child selves, I think, at least for a period.Exactly this. I've bade goodbye to both my parents as well. You become that child you were in those moments. There is no longer that shield between you and your own mortality. Gideon replaced Reid's father, I think, at least to Reid. So although he has better coping mechanisms in place than he might've had Gideon died when Mandy Patinkin left the show, for awhile, Reid was a boy losing his dad.(Incidentally, I loved Morgan's remarks to Reid at the ME's about not putting up his usual walls... Wonder if KV reads fanfiction... Regardless, Morgan showed real insight into Reid, and I thought it was fantastic. I love their bromance, and I haven't seen it nearly enough for a long time.) Edited January 31, 2015 by Droogie 6 Link to comment
Droogie January 31, 2015 Share January 31, 2015 I have something else to add. Reid is so well-adjusted, given his upbringing and life. People say Gideon was manipulative with Reid, exploiting his gifts. I think he was, to a degree. But I think he loved Reid, and he saw his potential and wanted to cultivate it. Reid was obviously so very starved for a parental figure and for affection that he was just ripe to be taken advantage of, for his intellect and --God forbid -- more. Gideon protected him and kept him safe from that. It was like he saw what Reid's life might become if he didn't step in. I think Reid has (and had) a strength of character that didn't lend itself to becoming a victim for life, but he would've had an even tougher row to hoe had it not been for Gideon. Present-day Reid knows this, I think. 6 Link to comment
zannej January 31, 2015 Share January 31, 2015 And now for something completely different (because I'm feeling goofy): exonev.tumblr.com had some gifs of Matthew from Suburban Gothic. 2 Link to comment
MCatry January 31, 2015 Share January 31, 2015 I have something else to add. Reid is so well-adjusted, given his upbringing and life. People say Gideon was manipulative with Reid, exploiting his gifts. I think he was, to a degree. But I think he loved Reid, and he saw his potential and wanted to cultivate it. Reid was obviously so very starved for a parental figure and for affection that he was just ripe to be taken advantage of, for his intellect and --God forbid -- more. Gideon protected him and kept him safe from that. It was like he saw what Reid's life might become if he didn't step in. I think Reid has (and had) a strength of character that didn't lend itself to becoming a victim for life, but he would've had an even tougher row to hoe had it not been for Gideon. Present-day Reid knows this, I think. Wow. I never even considered something like that. Thank you for opening my eyes to another side of Gideon and Reid's relationship. 2 Link to comment
normasm January 31, 2015 Share January 31, 2015 So sorry for your loss, MCatry. There's never a right time. I wish I could remember who said, "There's never a right time, it just becomes your turn." 3 Link to comment
MCatry January 31, 2015 Share January 31, 2015 I wish I could remember who said, "There's never a right time, it just becomes your turn." Your turn. That's the key idea. We all will be there, sooner or later. But at least for terminal patients there is a right time: as soon as possible. Link to comment
normasm February 3, 2015 Share February 3, 2015 (edited) Still not convinced this is now, but it's "scrummy" whenever the photo was taken! OK, I just saw a bts photo, and it's really now! He's so beautiful!! Edited February 3, 2015 by normasm 3 Link to comment
Droogie February 3, 2015 Share February 3, 2015 I never wanted him to cut his hair -- I'd personally like to see it past his shoulders and in a ponytail -- but it looks fantastic. 3 Link to comment
JMO February 3, 2015 Share February 3, 2015 Are we sure? His Jan. 30 premiere photos still have the messy mop. Link to comment
normasm February 3, 2015 Share February 3, 2015 JMO, go to the CM Feed and you'll se a bts pic of MGG with SM and either a young actress and/or fan. It's definitely shorn! Link to comment
Droogie February 3, 2015 Share February 3, 2015 His eyes are just enormous. Good grief. Wonder if he's ever dropped his phone in the tub? 1 Link to comment
ForeverAlone February 3, 2015 Share February 3, 2015 I am so relieved and overjoyed he cut his hair. I was starting to lose hope. :) :) :) :) 2 Link to comment
JMO February 3, 2015 Share February 3, 2015 I cannot tell a lie. I was so annoyed with that hair that I crept up on him when he was asleep, and...... 2 Link to comment
Droogie February 3, 2015 Share February 3, 2015 I just saw a clip from Hero Worship on another site. It's a scene with Reid and Rossi, and Rossi is telling Reid maybe he needs some time off, "in light of recent events." It's not much to go on, true, but Reid needs time off, even though he was perfectly functional with Gideon's murder and able to contribute to the case, but JJ doesn't, after behaving like a reckless fool while she was off the rails? I'm kinda sputtering right now. 3 Link to comment
zannej February 4, 2015 Share February 4, 2015 Maybe because Reid tries to handle things in a more healthy way than JJ does? Maybe he faces things and admits when there is a problem instead of internalizing it and waiting for it to blow up? I can make things up to try to pretend they are not just insulting Reid. 2 Link to comment
ForeverAlone February 4, 2015 Share February 4, 2015 Ha ha. Good one. The newer writers have always seemed to write Reid as more emotionally immature. I mean after all, he is still "the kid" and the man is 33. Whereas we have seen no one talk to JJ about her reckless behavior and suggest she needs some time off. Which she does, along with some industrial strength therapy. 4 Link to comment
JMO February 14, 2015 Share February 14, 2015 (edited) I agree, FA, and preferably (for me, at least) an artist who works with her hands, or maybe a musician, since Spencer likes music. It would be a welcome break for his big ol brain while still requiring feeling and personal growth, eh? Moving this discussion so we can all find it again. I would never think to look under 'Hero Worship'. Or would I? Reid and romance is a complicated topic. Here is a man who grew up as a complete outsider, always younger, smarter and more ostracized than anyone else among his so-called peers. His mother's illness made her displays of affection stilted at best. He was abandoned by his father, victimized by his crushes, belittled, from time to time, by his teammates. All of that does something to one's self-esteem, genius IQ notwithstanding. For Reid, the very notion that someone could be genuinely interested in him, without any ulterior motive, would be a heady thing. I think that's probably what drew him to Maeve in the first place. Not her intelligence------that became a 'plus' after the fact. But her interest in him, specifically. Even if it began as a consultation, and then grew. We've seen evidence that he appreciates a beautiful woman as well as any man might. But more in the way of an appreciation of fine art, than anything else. As it did with Maeve, I think appearance would take a back seat to investment. I do think someone like Reid needs an intelligent mate. One can't spend a lifetime having to explain everything. And I think he would be bored with someone who was, virtually, a clone (like Einstein). Reid's genius desires stimulation by differences, by things that are complementary. So I like the idea of him hooking up with an artist of some sort. Not a college professor, or a linguist. Not even a scientist, like Maeve. He needs to be drawn out, challenged intellectually and emotionally. An artist would be the right brain to his left. I think it would work well. Watching '500 Days of Summer' in the background as I write this. Wish MGG had the lead. Edited February 14, 2015 by JustMyOpinion 5 Link to comment
normasm February 14, 2015 Share February 14, 2015 Yeah, JMO, no one's disputing that Reid would need someone intelligent and interested and interesting, but the writers keep thinking he needs a genius, as if he couldn't love anyone with, say, a 186 iQ. I brought up the stimulation of different experiences upthread somewhere as something he would be more interested in in a mate than if she could prove mathematical theorem. If a woman could teach him piano and he could teach her chess, or a woman could paint a lovely picture, something he might not be able to do, but would be entranced by. I agree he fell for Maeve because she found him interesting and they could talk about things the other hadn't thought about, it wasn't just that she was smart. 4 Link to comment
Cobalt Stargazer February 14, 2015 Share February 14, 2015 I do think someone like Reid needs an intelligent mate. One can't spend a lifetime having to explain everything. And I think he would be bored with someone who was, virtually, a clone (like Einstein). Reid's genius desires stimulation by differences, by things that are complementary. So I like the idea of him hooking up with an artist of some sort. Not a college professor, or a linguist. Not even a scientist, like Maeve. He needs to be drawn out, challenged intellectually and emotionally. An artist would be the right brain to his left. I think it would work well. I think also, because of his upbringing, Reid would need someone he could trust implicitly. Trust them and be able to lean on them without fear of scorn. What I see as his insecurity has lessened with the passage of time, but there are occasions where it's still apparent. That trust was betrayed when Emily "died", and that really never got dealt with, although he seems to have put it aside. Although I agree that he would need to be challenged on some level, he would also need to feel emotionally secure with someone. 8 Link to comment
Droogie February 15, 2015 Share February 15, 2015 (edited) http://imageshack.com/a/img661/7548/PH4QPU.jpg Edited February 15, 2015 by Droogie 5 Link to comment
MCatry February 15, 2015 Share February 15, 2015 http://imageshack.com/a/img661/7548/PH4QPU.jpg WOW. Just... WOW. 4 Link to comment
Old Dog February 15, 2015 Share February 15, 2015 And it's a big WOW from me too! Do we know when this photo was taken? 3 Link to comment
ForeverAlone February 15, 2015 Share February 15, 2015 This was likely taken a few weeks ago when Matthew went to Utah for the weekend. This was taken during his modeling job. It could be an outtake. 1 Link to comment
JMO February 15, 2015 Share February 15, 2015 This was likely taken a few weeks ago when Matthew went to Utah for the weekend. This was taken during his modeling job. It could be an outtake. I figured it had to be a modeling gig. His hair is combed, his jacket is new and..... whose soles look so pristine? 2 Link to comment
Droogie February 26, 2015 Share February 26, 2015 Matthew tweeted a "Throwback Thursday" photo of himself with a black eye, captioning it "from my last fist fight." Does anyone know what that's about? And last fist fight? So he's a brawler? Gosh, it was attractive, though... 1 Link to comment
ForeverAlone February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 The mythology around this fist fight story is that it happened the night of the Golden Globes (or the night prior) 2010. Apparently Matthew got into a fight with an actor (unnamed) who basically said America had it coming on 9/11. 1 Link to comment
normasm February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 I've heard that before and think it's totally bogus. MGG has never claimed that, and if he had beat somebody down for that, i don't think he'd joke about it. I think occasionally MGG and his buds have Fight Club, or did. This was shortly before he hurt his knee, if i'm not mistaken. 1 Link to comment
Droogie February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Fight club? What does that mean? Where did you hear this? Link to comment
normasm February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 The first rule of Fight Club is, don't talk about Fight Club. LOL 2 Link to comment
normasm February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 I just mean that he and his boys were probably playing Settlers of Cataan or something and a duel situation came up. See who can hit the other guy in the eye, everyone take a drink! Who knows, it's all speculation. 1 Link to comment
Droogie February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Interesting! I have no idea what any of that means. I'm so sheltered... ;-) 2 Link to comment
normasm February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 (edited) Look up the IMDB for Fight Club.It was a very clever movie with Brad Pitt and Edward Norton about guys whose lives have meaning when they all meet in a pit and pummel each other. CM even did a bit of a take on FC with Doug Jones as the weirdo fighter in a club. I can't remember what the name of the ep was. Edited February 27, 2015 by normasm 2 Link to comment
Cobalt Stargazer February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 Look up the IMDB for Fight Club.It was a very clever movie with Brad Pitt and Edward Norton Don't forget Helena Bonham Carter. since Marla Singer was kind of Bellatrix-lite. Also, Doug Jones was in two episodes of CM, Blood Hungry and Brothers in Arms. 1 Link to comment
ForeverAlone February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 (edited) The black eye was around January 2010 I believe, but he busted his knee at the end of May 2009. EDIT: Yes, Matthew first tweeted about getting a black eye on the way to a celebration around 0100 18 January 2010, and the Golden Globes were on 17 January, so at least the dates match up. Edited February 27, 2015 by ForeverAlone 1 Link to comment
zannej February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 IIRC, Matthew tweeted that he got into a fist fight on the way to a party. He showed up at the Globes after party to meet Jane Lynch and had the black eye. He had the black eye in this photo: Someone on the IMDB claimed he got into a fight AT one of the parties. The story was that some actor they refused to name said the US deserved 9-11 and that Matthew set down his drink and punched the person in the face, then picked up his drink and resumed drinking but then the un-named actor's friend attacked Matthew. I think its more likely Matthew was playing around with some of his friends and got hit in the eye. Link to comment
normasm February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 By the look of the black eye, he got it several days before at least; if he had gotten it a mere 2 hours or so before, it would be swollen almost shut and red, not dark purple. Link to comment
Bookish Jen February 27, 2015 Share February 27, 2015 (edited) MGG seems too easy-going of a guy to get into fisticuffs. So far, I haven't gotten any major "douchebag" vibes from him. Most likely he was horsing around his friends and got the black eye. No matter what, ouch. Off-topic: I love Jane's dress. Edited February 27, 2015 by Bookish Jen 4 Link to comment
zannej February 28, 2015 Share February 28, 2015 (edited) The makeup artist must have had fun covering up that black eye. You can still sort of see that it was there in Mosley Lane if you look very close. I wonder if Matthew or anyone from the cast/crew will ever spill the beans on what really happened. Edited February 28, 2015 by zannej Link to comment
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