AimingforYoko March 5 Share March 5 (edited) Quote Matt Murdock gets a new client that's more than he appears to be. Fisk learns the power of optics. Matt's been holding on to that rage for a minute. He should really thank those crooked cops. Edited March 5 by AimingforYoko 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/
Raja March 5 Share March 5 I wonder if Matt noticed the Punisher logo on the cops or was that just for us? Even if the DA can't use the knowledge will the White Tiger face half of what the Punisher did in jail? Does Vanessa hate Fisk for not taking her boy toy's head? I am sure this therapist won't be asked to stand on plastic sheeting like prior translators were. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/#findComment-8598191
thuganomics85 March 5 Share March 5 I guess I have to eat my words a little: Fisk actually does mention a vigilante that "dresses like a spider." Good luck on opening that can of worms, buddy! Daredevil and Punisher are one thing (and they are already a lot to handle), but I'm not sure you realize what it will entail to try and take on the friendly neighborhood Spider-man! Michael Gaston is one of those character actors I always love to see, so I'm glad he's here as the commissioner that tried to resign/take on Fisk, but is now under his thumb due to Fisk finding evidence about a mysterious child. Knowing how most Michael Gaston characters play out, I don't see him cowering in the corner for long. Doubt he'll actually win in any real way, but he might be able to do some damage. Matt representing another vigilante; the White Tiger; after being falsely accused of killing a cop; is an interesting story. The scenes were a little sad knowing that the actor past away in real life. So, it looks like Heather isn't just here as Matt's new love interest, but will be a couples counselor for Wilson and Vanessa of all things! I guess Fisk's henchman approaching her is signaling that they know she is dating Matt, and this wasn't just some kind of coincidence. Matt finally has to get violent again at the end! Loved that the corrupt cops were probably thinking he was begging for his life, but he was really pleading with them to stop so that he wouldn't have to do what he ended up doing. Definitely noticed one of them had a Punisher tattoo, so I wonder if they are going to dive into the whole "hero worship" The Punisher gets from cops. Did find it funny that the actor playing the main corrupt cop plays a corrupt SWAT member on Mayor of Kingstown. The man has a type! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/#findComment-8598236
AntFTW March 5 Share March 5 My only complaint so far is that these episodes feel way too short. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/#findComment-8598274
mledawn March 5 Share March 5 5 hours ago, thuganomics85 said: Did find it funny that the actor playing the main corrupt cop plays a corrupt SWAT member on Mayor of Kingstown. The man has a type! I noticed him in the subway scene and was like... is that Hamish Allan-Headly? And then the courtroom scene confirmed it. How is Matt going to explain the beat up cops? They aren't actually dead, though, right? Also I didn't understand the cops beating up Matt anyway - were they just going to kill him? I'm on edge (in a good way) waiting for Frank to show up. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/#findComment-8598300
baldryanr March 5 Share March 5 8 minutes ago, mledawn said: How is Matt going to explain the beat up cops? They aren't actually dead, though, right? Also I didn't understand the cops beating up Matt anyway - were they just going to kill him? Matt will probably say he was being beat up when someone appeared to beat up the cops. When (if?) they wake up the cops will say otherwise, but would anyone believe their story about this blind lawyer beating the crap out of them? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/#findComment-8598305
Raja March 5 Share March 5 1 hour ago, mledawn said: Also I didn't understand the cops beating up Matt anyway - were they just going to kill him? All I got is unlike Dex or Frank Castle who would just make a clean kill they wanted to scare Matt off like whatever was going on with the original victim from the subway. Then their mind engaged and they knew the only way to stop this witness from stepping forward was killing him. 8 hours ago, Raja said: Does Vanessa hate Fisk for not taking her boy toy's head? Quoting myself for a second thought. When the Kingpin was blackmailing the police commissioner, they made a point of showing his bloody knuckles. Echo might have cured his past guilt but Vanessa stepping out was fresh and he may be reverting back. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/#findComment-8598325
Ottis March 6 Share March 6 18 hours ago, thuganomics85 said: So, it looks like Heather isn't just here as Matt's new love interest, but will be a couples counselor for Wilson and Vanessa of all things! I guess Fisk's henchman approaching her is signaling that they know she is dating Matt, and this wasn't just some kind of coincidence. Yeah, I have zero interest in Matt's dating life or counseling Fisk and Vanessa. The only angle here is that Fisk is setting up something he will use if DD reappears. So did Matt continue his dumb streak by maiming or killing those cops ... in the apartment of the guy he wants to exonerate? So now the bad cops can say the "witness" was actually an accomplice? Moving those bodies will be a pain. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/#findComment-8598980
dwmarch March 6 Share March 6 27 minutes ago, Ottis said: Yeah, I have zero interest in Matt's dating life or counseling Fisk and Vanessa. Speculating but I will spoiler code it nonetheless: Spoiler Hunter Doohan's character brought some serious serial killer energy to Heather's book signing. I am pretty sure he'll be playing Muse, who is indeed a serial killer and a brutal one at that. I don't think Heather is going to be around for very long and I think her demise is going to motivate Fisk and Daredevil. "Don't get attached" seems like a good mantra for this show. 21 hours ago, Raja said: Does Vanessa hate Fisk for not taking her boy toy's head? It is interesting that she said "don't kill him" but she didn't say "don't do anything at all". I wonder if she expects Fisk to know that he's supposed to split the difference if he wants to win her heart back. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/#findComment-8599139
Raja March 6 Share March 6 9 minutes ago, dwmarch said: It is interesting that she said "don't kill him" but she didn't say "don't do anything at all". I wonder if she expects Fisk to know that he's supposed to split the difference if he wants to win her heart back. While she might have been jealous of the display of power when Wilson walked into the gangster summit I thinks she gets off on the Kingpin's power. She was cool towards him at the beginning until he showed her that he was bombing the buildings in Hell's Kitchen. His getting nerfed by Echo, even if she didn't know it was the result of an enhanced mutant probably sent her to Adam. Given the promos I agree with your speculation. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/#findComment-8599203
Cool Breeze March 7 Share March 7 What did Echo do to Fisk? (I couldn't make it through that show.) Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/#findComment-8600153
Raja March 7 Share March 7 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Cool Breeze said: What did Echo do to Fisk? (I couldn't make it through that show.) On Hawkeye's the last episode. You can see the scars on his left eye from the shooting that Fisk survived. On Echo's last episode she used a just discovered superpower and healed Uncle Wilson of the underlying trauma that came from his abusive father and Fisk's murder of him. And without that pain and fury he lost the drive to be the murderous crime lord. But then he saw that New York's mayor was facing recall and found a new purpose in life. At least temporarily. Edited March 7 by Raja 3 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/#findComment-8600171
Cool Breeze March 7 Share March 7 Ah. Gotcha. Thank you very much. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/#findComment-8600179
KittenPokerCheater March 8 Share March 8 Damn. That fight scene at the end was intense. Well done show! (totally agree that he was speaking to himself with the whole “don’t do this”). 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/#findComment-8601616
Morrigan2575 March 9 Share March 9 On 3/5/2025 at 7:04 AM, mledawn said: How is Matt going to explain the beat up cops? They aren't actually dead, though, right? Also I didn't understand the cops beating up Matt anyway - were they just going to kill him? I thought he killed them. I swear the one he flipped looked like he broke his neck. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/#findComment-8602052
Llywela March 10 Share March 10 On 3/8/2025 at 2:54 PM, KittenPokerCheater said: (totally agree that he was speaking to himself with the whole “don’t do this”). I don't think he was speaking to himself when he said that. It was absolutely aimed at the cops - but not for the reason they believed. They read it as this helpless blind lawyer begging for his life, but in fact he was imploring them not to cross the line that would force him to take action to stop them. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/#findComment-8603268
Morrigan2575 March 11 Share March 11 On 3/10/2025 at 9:59 AM, Llywela said: I don't think he was speaking to himself when he said that. It was absolutely aimed at the cops - but not for the reason they believed. They read it as this helpless blind lawyer begging for his life, but in fact he was imploring them not to cross the line that would force him to take action to stop them. Yes, I agree with that take. Matt was begging them not to force his hand. They thought he was begging for his life. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/#findComment-8604155
tennisgurl March 11 Share March 11 Poor Matt, he is really trying to handle all of this in a non violent way, but the stupid assholes of the city just refuse to stop being assholes. Its alright Matt, I don't think anyone will blame you for going Daredevil for a second there. I am so not surprised that Fisk is already doing mob boss stuff about three seconds into being mayor, I am interested in where BB is going to fit into this. Is she going to figure out that Fisk killed her uncle way back when? How am I not even surprised that the Fisks would get therapy before Matt would ever consider it, despite how much he needs it? There is always something funny about people saying things like "he didn't have the magic amulet with him at the time of the incident so therefore..." like its a totally normal thing to discuss in a judges chamber. It really is pretty normal in this universe, I love it. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152202-s01e02-optics/#findComment-8604402
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