S14.E14: Hemlines, and Headlines

[hoodooznoodooz]

You guys are more on the same page than you might think.

 

@Keywestclubkid, your trauma pains me to the core. If my mother were aware of what you were going through, she would have asked a court if she could foster you and protect you and encourage you and love you unconditionally.

 

@Yours Truly, my son’s father is an alcoholic narcissist. I made choices that led to this. He is 15 years old, and cried when he learned the police handcuffed him for DUI. 

You were able to detach and objectively decide to rely on yourself to heal and build a beautiful life, despite your childhood. That’s inspiring, and I am genuinely happy for you!

But there are MANY moments in Sutton’s life and @Keywestclubkid’s life that we don’t know about, that may prevent them from being able to say, “I no longer need my parent to validate, love unconditionally and support me.” 
 

I think you two are sooo intelligent, compassionate, sensitive, and perceptive, and contribute so much insight to these discussions.
 

I overwhelmingly respect and admire you both.

[Pi237]

I wouldn’t publicly beg for love from a parent that withholds it, but some of these parents know how to throw you a bone once in a while. Not the whole enchilada, but tidbits that make you think validation is not only possible, but inevitable. And then just when you think it might happen-they pull back again and start ghosting you or throwing out the passive aggressive insults. They keep your hopes up with that push and pull routine.  And you keep falling for it because there were those few times they came So close, you just Know they have it in them and someday….eventually, you accept you’ll never get it. Sutton’s not there yet, but when they start doing it to your kids, your eyes open right up. 
 

 

[Yours Truly]

3 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

 

 

@Yours Truly, my son’s father is an alcoholic narcissist. I made choices that led to this. He is 15 years old, and cried when he learned the police handcuffed him for DUI. 

You were able to detach and objectively decide to rely on yourself to heal and build a beautiful life, despite your childhood. That’s inspiring, and I am genuinely happy for you!

 

I overwhelmingly respect and admire you both.

I had no qualms with my mother (RIP) and loved her. I Didn't have to detach or live in denial.  I just was able to see with adult eyes what the realities were with regards to her life as well as mine. 

I'm not telling people what they HAVE TO do but I just wanted to share my take and what has helped for me. I chose a path that allowed me to shed a lot of unnecessary weight and clutter and allowed me to appreciate the time I had left with her. It doesn't mean that I didn't face a lot it just means that luckily I was able to make sense of it enough to move forward in a positive way. I just know that I'm grateful that I realized that I hold all the power and with that first step the rest followed. It's a feeling that makes you want to share it with others without shame or apology.  

But I do appreciate your assessment.

Edited March 10 by Yours Truly

[Chalby]

On 3/5/2025 at 6:48 AM, Keywestclubkid said:

Yup more of Erika’s fleeing from the horror that was being married to Tom BS.. she didn’t flee till inklings of he was going to be arrested for embezzlement came up … she only left him to save her ass

I just don't believe Erika knew anything about Tom's wheeling and dealing. She shouldn't have to "save her ass" from anything Tom related.

[Chalby]

On 3/9/2025 at 8:25 AM, Keywestclubkid said:

She also bragged in her book they were equal and she read EVERYTHING and understood what she signed .. and like you said she kept bragging she could pass the bar no problem 

Erika is incredibly clever AND I don't doubt for a moment she triple read any contracts that she personally entered into.

I also don't believe for one moment that Tom gave her work documents to read, edit or copy. It would never happen within their power dynamic.

[hoodooznoodooz]

5 hours ago, Chalby said:

Erika is incredibly clever, AND I don't doubt for a moment she triple-read any contracts that she personally entered into.

I also don't believe for one moment that Tom gave her work documents to read, edit or copy. It would never happen within their power dynamic.

Do you believe that when they served Tom Girardi and her documents, requiring both their signatures, she read them, then signed them?

[Keywestclubkid]

8 hours ago, Chalby said:

I just don't believe Erika knew anything about Tom's wheeling and dealing. She shouldn't have to "save her ass" from anything Tom related.

My reasoning on why I think she did know at some point before he was arrested or at least was aware something was amiss and didn’t care 

 

Your LLC doesn’t magically get 20 million dollars without you knowing where it came from (this flies in the face of her I sign and read everything)

.. Erika being smart enough to pass the bar would know how much “liquidity” a lawyer like Tom would actually have and would know ding ding ding red flag we seem to be in more money then we should be … 

 

again do I think she was in the day to day scheming no but they way she treated the actual victims of her husband and taking into account she would throw someone under the bus to save her ass financially (the designer who’s life she helped to try to destroy) she knew that the money wasn’t coming from a “legal” place and that makes her complacent in benefitting from it and not caring and actually super cruel in its own way .. she knew it was shady and didn’t care  .. she was smart enough to not “ask” questions and just benefited from it then lashed out at them when the gravy train ended that they were liars frauds and scammers when it was her and her husband not just living off their money but using it to fund her “career” and vanity projects 

 

and you don’t fight tooth and nail to claw and keep “money” from those victims once you do find out that their money was used to fund your life while telling the world that they are not the victims and that YOU’RE the REAL victim while wearing 1 million dollar earrings (she actually wore them on purpose just to be a c u next Tuesday) that their money was used to pay for 

 

I used to Stan this woman .. but she’s not a victim she’s actually a victimizer with what she did and continues to do to the actual victims her and her husband benefited and profited off of .. she’s gross 

Edited March 11 by Keywestclubkid

[hoodooznoodooz]

Gross is generous. 
 

Warning: triggering, sensitive topic

Spoiler

Erika Girardi’s behavior is only worse than a child molester’s, in my opinion. 

 

[Keywestclubkid]

11 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Gross is generous. 
 

Warning: triggering, sensitive topic

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Erika Girardi’s behavior is only worse than a child molester’s, in my opinion. 

 

the fact she is still trying to put this "image" or story out that she is the wronged party is what is bothering me so much now ..

yay you got away with living off widows and orphans to make Erika Jayne happen (notice she can't do that anymore IF her singing career was so profitable wouldn't she still be going?) ....sit down don't go on tv and try to gaslight the public that you were somehow the victim when you are on tape caught in lie after lie trying to make him look feeble so he wouldn't be in trouble and rewrite your entire history with this man has he was cruel to you when we all know you would still be with him if the shit didn't hit the fan and living off those clients still 

[princelina]

5 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

yay you got away with living off widows and orphans to make Erika Jayne happen (notice she can't do that anymore IF her singing career was so profitable wouldn't she still be going?) 

I assumed it was over but she said something last week - I can't remember what - that made it sound like she was still doing shows.  Does anyone know anything about this?

 

[Keywestclubkid]

16 minutes ago, princelina said:

I assumed it was over but she said something last week - I can't remember what - that made it sound like she was still doing shows.  Does anyone know anything about this?

 

She’s not doing them like she did private jets 10 dancers costumes that arnt sheen now .. hair and makeup that would cost 20/30k a pop etc etc … her performing never paid for itself she admitted it somewhere in the past .. its like throwing money in the wind

 

I’m sure she has done a performance here and there but ain’t and can’t like she did cause grand daddy scammer or those widows and orphans , and burn victims don’t foot the bill anymore 

Edited March 11 by Keywestclubkid

[Cosmocrush]

1 hour ago, princelina said:

I assumed it was over but she said something last week - I can't remember what - that made it sound like she was still doing shows.  Does anyone know anything about this?

 

She told us during a confessional that she doesn't want to get married again, that she loves her "autonomy."  And that she luuuvvvs going to work, whether that is singing or dancing.  *snort".  Then she said "I have projects.  I have dates (presumably show dates). I have shows in London 😳.   I can do anything I want.  It's all open ended."    This was in the middle of the conversation she had with her Mom while they drank something that looked like beer out of champagne glasses. 

Okay Erica, whatever.  🙄

@Keywestclubkid is correct.  Her shows never made money and were in fact financed with Tom's ill gotten gains. Remember we saw her close/lose her studio and all the show stuff in it.  IF it was a real career, that paid for itself she would have kept going. 

 

Edited March 11 by Cosmocrush

[Keywestclubkid]

5 minutes ago, Cosmocrush said:

She told us during a confessional that she doesn't want to get married again, that she loves her "autonomy."  And that she luuuvvvs going to work, whether that is singing or dancing.  *snort".  Then she said "I have " projects.  I have dates (presumably show dates). I have shows in London 😳.   I can do anything I want.  It's all open ended."    This was in the middle of the conversation she had with her Mom while they drank something that looked like beer out of champagne glasses. 

Okay Erica, whatever.  🙄

@Keywestclubkid is correct.  Her shows never made money and were in fact financed with Tom's ill gotten gains. 

 

Yea that project she ended up doing wasn’t  an Erika Jayne project .. 

she can’t make money off the pop star persona 

[bravofan27]

When Ericka was first introduced in Season 6, she was so different. She was happy and light and was so so proud of Tom. She really thought he was the most successful amazing lawyer in the world and kept herself busy while waiting to have time with him. She made the comment that his settlements were sometimes BILLIONS. She really thought he was raking it in because of his amazing law prowess. She also said that she never sees Tom during the day because he is so busy, and there is no time to stop in at the office to see him because he was too busy. She definitely was part of dinners and events where a lot of law talk happened, and maybe it was also a big part of their pillow-talk, but he talked about the law, legal stuff. The problem he is in, and got Ericka into, is because of things he did that were illegal. she is a good listener, and smart, so I'm sure she learned a lot. But his private work life and bookkeeping-- he did not share that with her. 

You could be married to anyone-- a chef, a teacher, a professor, etc., and learn so much, but that doesn't mean you know their dark side. ERicka didn't know about it because Tom did not want her to know. She knew and understood what he allowed her to hear. I don't doubt that Tom encouraged Ericka to take any paperwork he prepared for to sign and read it over and over and ask questions. He probably did the same thing with his clients which is why they trusted him and felt safe.

I think that's key. Ericka trusted Tom. She felt safe with Tom. She thought he was everything good. And when that came crumbling down and she was faced with the consequences of his decisions, she could not cope. Tom did not prepare her for how to deal with any aftermaths, because he didn't let Ericka know the danger they were in. 

 

[Keywestclubkid]

You lay with dogs you get fleas you don’t brag about how brilliant you are how legally brilliant you can be that you could pass the bar and how you leaned everything from him and not learn that they were scummy it’s impossible . Erika knew or at the least was complacent .. 

 

And being that smart you wouldn’t say you knew you would cover your ass like she has been trying to do ..

you distance yourself so you don’t get more blowback .. it wasn’t me it was him you would suddenly rewrite history like him being super feeble just as the cops closed in and she don’t even know how to open a bank account she was fleeing for her life .. 

 

she’s a con artist just like he is 

 

Edited March 11 by Keywestclubkid

[bravofan27]

3 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

You lay with dogs you get fleas you don’t brag about how brilliant you are how legally inept you can be and how you leaned from these guys and not learn that they were scummy it’s impossible . Erika knew or at the least was complacent .. 

 

I feel like if Ericka knew, she would have been better prepared. I think she was blindsided. She is smart but Tom is smarter. When the shit hit the fan, her true colors were revealed. She definitely fell apart. That's just my opinion though. To be fair, we will never ever know the real truth behind everything, and it doesn't matter at this point. The person that knows and can tell is Tom, and he's mentally incapacitated. 

[Keywestclubkid]

6 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

I feel like if Ericka knew, she would have been better prepared. I think she was blindsided. She is smart but Tom is smarter. When the shit hit the fan, her true colors were revealed. She definitely fell apart. That's just my opinion though. To be fair, we will never ever know the real truth behind everything, and it doesn't matter at this point. The person that knows and can tell is Tom, and he's mentally incapacitated. 

It matters cause she’s just as big of a scammer as he is and they both are trying to game the system.. she can’t testify against him if they are still married and she’s made up story’s to help him with that on this show .. 

And she’s playing dumb suddenly like she can’t count past 2 and her favorite color is clear .. a far cry from I’m usually the smartest in the room.. 

 

Edited March 11 by Keywestclubkid

[bravofan27]

10 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

It matters cause she’s just as big of a scammer as he is and they both are trying to game the system.. she can’t testify against him if they are still married and she’s made up story’s to help him with that on this show .. 

And she’s playing dumb suddenly like she can’t count past 2 and her favorite color is clear .. a far cry from I’m usually the smartest in the room.. 

 

Okay! You care way more about this than I do. Sounds fine to me. 

[Keywestclubkid]

8 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

Okay! You care way more about this than I do. Sounds fine to me. 

I mean it’s a board talking about the show I’d say I care as much as anyone else that logs on 

 

I just find prople who scam and use the venerable and less fortunate . repugnant 

Edited March 11 by Keywestclubkid

[Chalby]

14 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

...to claw and keep “money” from those victims once you do find out that their money was used to fund your life while telling the world that they are not the victims and that YOU’RE the REAL victim while wearing 1 million dollar earrings (she actually wore them on purpose just to be a c u next Tuesday) that their money was used to pay for 

And as long as stories like this are out there she's never going to be able to change the narrative. She already proved that they were earrings bought long before any of this happened, but those earrings remained the point of interest in order to blame Erika for not having compassion or empathy for victims that she was not even aware existed at the time she got the earrings.

[Keywestclubkid]

11 minutes ago, Chalby said:

And as long as stories like this are out there she's never going to be able to change the narrative. She already proved that they were earrings bought long before any of this happened, but those earrings remained the point of interest in order to blame Erika for not having compassion or empathy for victims that she was not even aware existed at the time she got the earrings.

No she didn’t and she lost the earrings in court they are property of the estate 

 

After reviewing the paperwork and evidence attached to the case, the judge assumed the earrings were the property of the estate

 

She was actively trying to keep money from people her husband defrauded 

she literally said there are no victims I’m the victim.. she said this to and about people who have NOTHING and never will have half of what she actually does .. that’s disgusting 

 

Ok I feel like we are getting away from the episode now .. I’m gonna drop it .. 

Edited March 12 by Keywestclubkid

[Cosmocrush]

On 3/11/2025 at 11:58 AM, bravofan27 said:

I think that's key. Ericka trusted Tom. She felt safe with Tom. She thought he was everything good. And when that came crumbling down and she was faced with the consequences of his decisions, she could not cope. Tom did not prepare her for how to deal with any aftermaths, because he didn't let Ericka know the danger they were in. 

And I think Erika is a gold digging sociopath.

It's reasonable to suppose she didn't know about Tom's criminal behavior but she certainly knew how much money he was pumping into her company.  And that's to be expected in the trade-deal that was their marriage, especially when her reaction to breaking news was to cut and run. 

On 3/11/2025 at 12:09 PM, bravofan27 said:

I feel like if Ericka knew, she would have been better prepared. I think she was blindsided. She is smart but Tom is smarter. When the shit hit the fan, her true colors were revealed. She definitely fell apart. That's just my opinion though.

This makes sense to me, but maybe not so much "fell apart" as decided to save herself with the cut and run.  

Erika said during the pandemic Tom was going to the office everyday (when L.A. was completely shut down) and bringing home Mortons every night.  Then, (probably when she found out what was about to crash down) she told the ridiculous story about Tom climbing out of a car crash and spending the night in someone's back yard or something. 

The fact that she still hasn't divorced Tom years later says a lot.  Not that she cares about him, especially since she considers herself his victim, but more likely a legal protection.   Generally when husbands are credibly accused of criminal actions their wives either file immediately or stand by the guy.  Erika has done neither. 

 

[Stats Queen]

On 3/5/2025 at 5:25 AM, hoodooznoodooz said:

Aaaaahhhhh! Boy, you brought me back!!! I loved when they delivered Sears catalogues to our house - - for free. It kept me entertained for hours. I thought the “fashion” was beyond!!!

I was born in 1964.

OMG - I dog eared every page of the gifts I wanted but would never get. It was nice to dream, though 

 

[Chalby]

On 3/4/2025 at 8:24 PM, Surrealist said:

Boy, does she hate him. Even called him Maurice like Kim did when she was still on the show.

I thought I heard his real name was Maurice but he didn't like it and changed it to Mauricio?

[ZettaK]

On 3/17/2025 at 8:05 PM, Chalby said:

I thought I heard his real name was Maurice but he didn't like it and changed it to Mauricio?

His name is Mauricio (he was born in Mexico to parents of European Jewish descent, but he moved to the U.S. at a young age, and he still has an accent), but I assume Kim and Kathy use the American/English version of the name.

[hoodooznoodooz]

I think it’s weird that Mauricio deleted “father” from his Instagram.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Why did Kathy say Mauricio is not in a position financially to pay anyone off? I thought The Agency was thriving, and Mauricio was loaded?

[Soapy Goddess]

2 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I think it’s weird that Mauricio deleted “father” from his Instagram.

Pure speculation, but maybe since all his girls are adults now, he doesn't want it to appear that he has young kids which might reduce his dating pool. Some women are shallow that way and don't want to get involved with a family man.

[hoodooznoodooz]

The shade of blue that MLB painted as horizontal stripes at Erika’s rental is the WORST shade of blue. What the what?

[ZettaK]

4 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Why did Kathy say Mauricio is not in a position financially to pay anyone off? I thought The Agency was thriving, and Mauricio was loaded?

The Agency is doing great. It's her hatred that has no bounds, and not because she loves her sister. She was not talking to her after the Aspen incident (club, sprinter van, and Kyle's house tantrum) until Mauricio moved out. 

[Baltimore Betty]

I was listening to a podcast the other day when it was revealed that Whitney from Southern Charm is older than Mo. 

Mo taking the "father" off of his Instagram account is odd, I mean think about it, his filmed with his kids for the show, anyone young woman who is out there looking for him at the Soho house has seen him on the show and they know he has children adult or otherwise, I do not get why he did that, he should have taken "Husband," off of his profile, that would make more sense.

[SweetieDarling]

On 3/19/2025 at 1:04 AM, hoodooznoodooz said:

Why did Kathy say Mauricio is not in a position financially to pay anyone off? I thought The Agency was thriving, and Mauricio was loaded?

Because he's got the tax collectors after him?

https://realityblurb.com/2025/01/15/rhobh-star-mauricio-umansky-is-hit-with-new-20k-in-liens-as-he-faces-a-total-of-51k-in-unpaid-taxes/

 

 

 

 

Edited March 22 by SweetieDarling

[hoodooznoodooz]

Oh, I didn’t know about this:

 

And more recently, Umansky was called out over a social media post regarding the California wildfires, where he’s being accused of scouting for business during this tragedy. 

[Baltimore Betty]

6 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

Because he's got the IRS after him?

https://realityblurb.com/2025/01/15/rhobh-star-mauricio-umansky-is-hit-with-new-20k-in-liens-as-he-faces-a-total-of-51k-in-unpaid-taxes/

 

 

 

 

You know you have really made when you get in trouble with the IRS, lol!

[SweetieDarling]

26 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

You know you have really made when you get in trouble with the IRS, lol!

are we looking at our next HW felons? 

Someone('s husband?) from one of the franchises has gone to prison for tax evasion haven't they?

[Baltimore Betty]

1 hour ago, SweetieDarling said:

are we looking at our next HW felons? 

Someone('s husband?) from one of the franchises has gone to prison for tax evasion haven't they?

Yes, it was Peter from Atlanta, he is in or almost in jail. How that man got anyone to invest with him let alone a business loan after all of his ventures have tanked I'll never know. 

Maybe Andy can create some show that uses all the folks from HW shows that have served time or had to go to court for something financial, or anyone with a mug shot, like an Ultimate HW show, everyone in house sort of thing.

 

 

[Salacious Kitty]

I thought of Joe Giudice, who served time for various financial shenanigans. 

[Surrealist]

11 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I was listening to a podcast the other day when it was revealed that Whitney from Southern Charm is older than Mo. 

Mo taking the "father" off of his Instagram account is odd, I mean think about it, his filmed with his kids for the show, anyone young woman who is out there looking for him at the Soho house has seen him on the show and they know he has children adult or otherwise, I do not get why he did that, he should have taken "Husband," off of his profile, that would make more sense.

[ZettaK]

23 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

Because he's got the IRS after him?

https://realityblurb.com/2025/01/15/rhobh-star-mauricio-umansky.

23 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

Because he's got the IRS after him?

https://realityblurb.com/2025/01/15/rhobh-star-mauricio-umansky-is-hit-with-new-20k-in-liens-as-he-faces-a-total-of-51k-in-unpaid-taxes/

 

 

 

 

-is-hit-with-new-20k-in-liens-as-he-faces-a-total-of-51k-in-unpaid-taxes/

 

 

 

 

No. If you read the article, the taxes are due by several offices of The Agency which has about 110 offices worldwide, not him personally, and overall are about $50,000 only. The title is misleading (what a surprise). He is not responsible (meaning he doesn't oversee) for the accounting of the different offices which are mostly franchises, meaning he sold the rights and the name to one, or more individuals, or other companies (link below about the franchises of The Agency). The Agency sold more than $57 BILLION in luxury real estate since 2011, so these taxes are literally pennies. Mauricio Umansky himself is worth about $100 million.

One link below. There are several similar ones.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/26/how-mauricio-umansky-built-a-57b-real-estate-empire/

https://labusinessjournal.com/featured/real-estate-18/

Edited March 20 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

16 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

You know you have really made when you get in trouble with the IRS, lol!

The IRS is not after him. Several offices (of the about 110 The Agency offices worldwide) owe only about $50,000 to the IRS. He is not responsible for the accounting of each office, and most offices are franchises, meaning he sold the rights and use of name to other companies, or individuals. The Agency sold more than $57 billion (yes, that's billion) in luxury real estate since 2011. Mauricio is worth around $100 million himself.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/26/how-mauricio-umansky-built-a-57b-real-estate-empire/

[Keywestclubkid]

1 hour ago, ZettaK said:

The IRS is not after him. Several offices (of the about 110 The Agency offices worldwide) owe only about $50,000 to the IRS. He is not responsible for the accounting of each office, and most offices are franchises, meaning he sold the rights and use of name to other companies, or individuals. The Agency sold more than $57 billion (yes, that's billion) in luxury real estate since 2011. Mauricio is worth around $100 million himself.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/26/how-mauricio-umansky-built-a-57b-real-estate-empire/

 

this is from Jan and he is having some tax issues and he does have Leans out against him .. and they are for small amounts (well small in relativity to his net worth) 

He has also come under fire for a $3.5 million PPP loan from the pandemic. And more recently, he was called out over a social media post regarding the California wildfires, where he’s being accused of scouting for business during this tragedy. 

If these were under franchisees they wouldn't be going after him they would be going after who was Responsible for those franchise right? but it seems like they are directly going for him.. he wouldn't even be in it but he HAS to be financially responsible for them if they are directly coming for him

Edited March 20 by Keywestclubkid

[Chalby]

On 3/18/2025 at 5:21 PM, ZettaK said:

His name is Mauricio (he was born in Mexico to parents of European Jewish descent, but he moved to the U.S. at a young age, and he still has an accent), but I assume Kim and Kathy use the American/English version of the name.

I am fully aware of his roots and birth but on the show during the season someone said, "Well his real name is Maurice so why does it matter".

I would share the details, but I can't remember which episode contains the clip. Does anyone else recall this convo? I want to say it was between Kyle and Kathy, but again, can't fully remember.

Speaking of memory: Covid combined with menopause made me feel like the dullest and dimmest tool in the shed.  I am celebrating if I can remember all my kids' names 😂 😂. .

[hoodooznoodooz]

20 minutes ago, Chalby said:

Speaking of memory: Covid combined with menopause made me feel like the dullest and dimmest tool in the shed. I am celebrating if I can remember all my kids' names. 😂 😂

My memory is shot, too! I have to write things on my arm to remind me!

I just moved five times in six months, and completely didn’t notice that my Visa bills have not shown up for two months!

I forgot that my son’s honors ceremony was on Friday!

Getting old is better than dying, but it has its challenges.