S14.E12: Land of the Free, Home of the Shade

[politichick]

On 2/19/2025 at 5:27 PM, bencr said:

I thought both Dorit and Sutton were pretty obnoxious to each other this episode. Others have made the case for Dorit, here is a case for Sutton:

1. She told her makeup artist she didn't want to go to the party (so much for sisterhood). Okay, we all go to parties we don't want to, and most of us try to have a good time anyway.

2. Rather than joining the party which you could see was going on out back, she chose to wait in the foyer for 35 minutes waiting for Dorit, performatively reading magazines and on her phone, and being rude and judgmental about her host. Then when Kyle arrived she couldn't wait to tell her how rude Dorit was. It was Sutton's one true moment of happiness this episode.

3. I don't think we saw how Dorit got the handbag, but I think we can assume that Dorit was making an awkward joke about how she was going to keep it. That's what people do sometimes as a compliment about how I wish it was mine. Instead, Sutton acted like she was the victim of a robbery, making the whole situation awkward.

4. Sutton made a crack about not going on the water slide, which I (rightly or wrongly) took as her way of saying I don't belong here.

5. Finally, Sutton't reaction to Dorit's lame, ill advised cracki. -- which everyone, even Garcelle, knew was a joke. Storming out in tears was so over the top that it brought me back to my first point -- that is, Sutton didn't want to be there n the first place and this was her opportunity to leave.

Sutton didn't know the people in the backyard from a hole in the wall, and said so. They were like neighborhood/children's friends and their parents.

And she was damn near the victim of a robbery given the creepy way Dorit took and held onto that bag.

Garcelle told Dorit she was wrong for the drinking crack and reminded her why. And on the after show, even Kyle said that was wrong.

[Chit Chat]

1 hour ago, politichick said:

Garcelle just wanted to know what was in the drink in order to decide if she wanted one (watermelon something isn't very clear) and then Dorit immediately started shit.

I respectfully disagree.  I posted their conversation a few pages ago.  Garcelle's tone came across as a friend who was making sure that Sutton knew there was alcohol in her drink.  That triggered Dorit because she got in trouble for insinuating that Sutton had a drinking problem, so she questioned why it was okay for Garcelle to mention it.  Granted, it wasn't the same as Dorit spreading rumors that Sutton might have an issue, but it was the point that it was okay for Garcelle to say something.  I don't agree with Dorit, but I can see why it sent her over the edge.  

It was an odd exchange between Garcelle & Sutton.  Something doesn't add up.

[RealHousewife]

5 hours ago, Pi237 said:

I'd be ok giving Boz one more season.  she'll have given up on the baby thing by then. And I can't imagine Dorit wouldn't have overstayed her welcome up her booty by then, as well.  

Love how my autocorrect constantly struggles with Dorit's name. It usually changes it to 'Dorito' or 'Don't.'

Are we going to see the remodel of Ericka's pool house before the season ends? Its the only thing about her I'm interested in. 

Don't think this cast is gelling this year. Something seems off. 

 

I'm also not opposed to giving Boz another season. I don't love her constantly siding with Dorit and getting on to the other women, but in her defense she isn't aggressive or cruel the way say Diana or Carlton were. I was relived when neither one of them got a second season. 

What I don't understand is that Boz is this intelligent, successful business woman, but she doesn't seem to be playing the Housewives game very well. Wouldn't she think she needs at least one more ally other than Dorit? If she's just along for the ride and doesn't care for the others, I get it. But if she wants to stay on the show, she will need more friends to film with. 

4 hours ago, princelina said:

I can't see Kyle and Boz being besties of course, but didn't Kyle think they were friendly until she found out was Boz was saying about her?

I think so. I wonder if one reason Boz is taking to Dorit is because Dorit is such a talker and will pour her heart out to a new coworker. Kyle has been friendly to Boz but kept it light. I don't think one attitude is better than the other. Their personalities are just different. 

[Chit Chat]

26 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

I'm also not opposed to giving Boz another season.

Didn't her house burn down recently?  I hope she's doing okay.  

26 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

I wonder if one reason Boz is taking to Dorit is because Dorit is such a talker and will pour her heart out to a new coworker.

I look at it like this:  Dorit poured her heart out to her, so Boz had sympathy for her.  She seems to have no idea about the relationships between all of the women, so she takes everything Dorit says as the truth. Dorit won her over quickly.  Something will probably happen at some point and Boz will realize that maybe the other ladies have valid points about Dorit.  I think any new HW sides with one or two people to start with.  Once the honeymoon is over, then they see things differently and the dynamics will change again. 

[Salacious Kitty]

The house that burned down was Boz's beach home in Malibu. Her main residence that we've seen on the show in Hancock Park is fine. 

Edited February 22 by Salacious Kitty

[bencr]

On 2/20/2025 at 12:43 PM, Natalie68 said:

On 2/19/2025 at 6:35 PM, ww92 said:

That whole exchange was so bizarre. I know Dorit claimed she was joking around but it didn't come across like she was joking. Even Sutton looked like she couldn't figure out what was going on (Does she really think I'm going to give her my purse to keep?). Sutton should have snatched her purse back and then carried it with her everywhere she went, to keep it safe from Dorit.

Boz has the most hideous taste. I can't believe that Dorit hasn't tried to restyle her. It must kill Dorit to have to keep her mouth shut about Boz's outfits.

The funniest part is that Boz was introduced to the group by Sutton. Supposedly they were friends. I think the producers picked the wrong HW to "friend" the newbie up with.

Besides Housewives, what could Dorit do for a living? I could see her doing something with fashion maybe?

She probably does have to move. The house is in foreclosure and she can't afford to make the payments, much less pay all of the past due amounts.

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Because Dorit has ZERO humor.  

Yes, Dorit does not know how to pull off a joke. And there were two instances in this show where Sutton "Sisterhood" Stracke could have been gracious and pretend what Dorit did was funny but instead chose to make Dorit look like a fool. Sutton understands group dynamics a lot better than Dorit, and she can be a real mean girl when she wants.

Edited February 22 by bencr

[bencr]

On 2/20/2025 at 12:43 PM, Natalie68 said:

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Because Dorit has ZERO humor.  

 

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Edited February 22 by bencr

[bencr]

On 2/20/2025 at 12:43 PM, Natalie68 said:

On 2/19/2025 at 6:35 PM, ww92 said:

 

 

 

 

 

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Because Dorit has ZERO humor.  

 

 

 

Edited February 22 by bencr

[bencr]

Sorry about the repeated posts above. I don't post very often, and I don't seem to have the knack yet.

[bencr]

8 hours ago, politichick said:

Sutton didn't know the people in the backyard from a hole in the wall, and said so. They were like neighborhood/children's friends and their parents.

And she was damn near the victim of a robbery given the creepy way Dorit took and held onto that bag.

Garcelle told Dorit she was wrong for the drinking crack and reminded her why. And on the after show, even Kyle said that was wrong.

1. I think most people would have gone outside and mingled rather than stayed indoors and stewed. But maybe Sutton is shy.

2. No she wasn't damn near the victim of a robbery. (But the way Sutton acted you would have thought she was.) Dorit left herself open to this because she should have known that given the state of their relationship Sutton "Sisterhood" Stracke was not going to play along with the "joke".

3. It was really Garcelle's question about the alcohol (somehow Garcelle skates away as she always does). Still, Dorit was wrong piping in. 

I thought Sutton overreacted (as she is prone to do) calling Dorit the B-word, but Dorit was probably more at fault. However, I think Sutton was not at that party to have a good time, and Dorit gave her the ammunition she needed to create lots of drama and then hightail it out of there.

 

 

Edited February 22 by bencr

[hoodooznoodooz]

If, last year, Sutton had to answer to Christian, who was about to relocate to England, and was reevaluating their child custody agreement, about Dorit’s insinuations that Sutton was addicted to alcohol, then, in my opinion, Sutton did not overreact. 

[Baltimore Betty]

13 hours ago, politichick said:

And she was damn near the victim of a robbery given the creepy way Dorit took and held onto that bag.

Something about that house makes people want to steal bags, lol.

[Keywestclubkid]

6 hours ago, bencr said:

1. I think most people would have gone outside and mingled rather than stayed indoors and stewed. But maybe Sutton is shy.

2. No she wasn't damn near the victim of a robbery. (But the way Sutton acted you would have thought she was.) Dorit left herself open to this because she should have known that given the state of their relationship Sutton "Sisterhood" Stracke was not going to play along with the "joke".

3. It was really Garcelle's question about the alcohol (somehow Garcelle skates away as she always does). Still, Dorit was wrong piping in. 

I thought Sutton overreacted (as she is prone to do) calling Dorit the B-word, but Dorit was probably more at fault. However, I think Sutton was not at that party to have a good time, and Dorit gave her the ammunition she needed to create lots of drama and then hightail it out of there.

 

 

3 because Dorit spent all last season planting seeds of Sutton drinking from morning (she could put it in your coffee) to night(of course she’s drinking) 

 

 

[Keywestclubkid]

6 hours ago, bencr said:

1. I think most people would have gone outside and mingled rather than stayed indoors and stewed. But maybe Sutton is shy.

2. No she wasn't damn near the victim of a robbery. (But the way Sutton acted you would have thought she was.) Dorit left herself open to this because she should have known that given the state of their relationship Sutton "Sisterhood" Stracke was not going to play along with the "joke".

3. It was really Garcelle's question about the alcohol (somehow Garcelle skates away as she always does). Still, Dorit was wrong piping in. 

I thought Sutton overreacted (as she is prone to do) calling Dorit the B-word, but Dorit was probably more at fault. However, I think Sutton was not at that party to have a good time, and Dorit gave her the ammunition she needed to create lots of drama and then hightail it out of there.

 

 

1: it’s not Sutton’s fault for Dorit being a bad host and leaving EVERYONE at her party without a host for almost an hour 

[hoodooznoodooz]

There was nothing organic about that table, smack dab in the middle of Dorit’s foyer, and framed photos of the once blissfully-happy couple, and nothing else on the table. Not a runner. No mail. Not a vase or plant or a dish for car or house keys. It’s as if she told a PA to grab framed photos of Dorit and PJ from throughout the house and to move a table to the foyer, so that it impeded guests’ ability to attend the barbecue without sighing about poor Dorit’s marriage that went to hell. I guess we should be happy that it wasn’t a table that the PA borrowed from craft services.

Edited Tuesday at 04:55 PM by hoodooznoodooz

[hoodooznoodooz]

According to Ronnie, Sutton said in the after-show that production told her to interrupt Dorit’s “soliloquy” (hee!) about Jaggy and Divorce and Remaining Good Friends, and to ask them to get in the car and start heading over to Garcelle’s. And that Dorit knows that.

[Chit Chat]

11 hours ago, bencr said:

Yes, Dorit does not know how to pull off a joke.

Dorit looked so serious though when she 'demanded' Sutton's purse!  Then she said to the cameras 'I could almost forgive her if she'd give me that purse' or something along those lines.  It was just bizarre.  

[Keywestclubkid]

2 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

According to Ronnie, Sutton said in the after-show that production told her to interrupt Dorit’s “soliloquy” (hee!) about Jaggy and Divorce and Remaining Good Friends, and to ask them to get in the car and start heading over to Garcelle’s. And that Dorit knows that.

Yea she said each girl gets told by production to wrap it up and this was her “turn” cause they only had 2 hours to do what they had to do ..(and we know how long  winded Dorit is) that’s why she was trying to Segway into “speaking of best friends” lol 

 

so this whole thing was production manipulation (which sucks) 

[RealHousewife]

2 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

According to Ronnie, Sutton said in the after-show that production told her to interrupt Dorit’s “soliloquy” (hee!) about Jaggy and Divorce and Remaining Good Friends, and to ask them to get in the car and start heading over to Garcelle’s. And that Dorit knows that.

I didn't rewatch the scene myself, but I also heard it seemed like Sutton tried to find a pause to interrupt a few times before she did. 

[Misslindsey]

Sutton lasted longer at Dorit's party than I would have. After that awkward purse bit I would have been inching toward the door. Though Kyle's reaction to Dorit demanding Sutton's purse made me laugh.

I interpreted Garcelle's comment about alcohol in Sutton's drink as more of a confirmation that there was alcohol in the drink, because she wanted an alcoholic drink. That is how I took it. It did not feel shady to me. 

I think I might like Boz better if she was out of Dorit's orbit for awhile. I had high hopes for her when she was announced, but between her being all in on Dorit from the start and the baby storyline she has been disappointing to me. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

43 minutes ago, Misslindsey said:

Though Kyle's reaction to Dorit demanding Sutton's purse made me laugh.

What did Kyle do? Thank you.

[Baltimore Betty]

7 hours ago, Misslindsey said:

I interpreted Garcelle's comment about alcohol in Sutton's drink as more of a confirmation that there was alcohol in the drink, because she wanted an alcoholic drink. That is how I took it. It did not feel shady to me.

Same here, I thought it was an "I might want one sort of thing." Sutton should have just said it was a virgin watermelon something or other, she has to learn how to disarm Dorit.

20 hours ago, Chit Chat said:

Dorit looked so serious though when she 'demanded' Sutton's purse!  Then she said to the cameras 'I could almost forgive her if she'd give me that purse' or something along those lines.  It was just bizarre.  

I guess we all have our price.

[hoodooznoodooz]

I am very happy that Sutton did not just cave and give Dorit that adorable handbag.

I hated when Sutton offered to let Erika borrow money from her, one or two years ago, immediately after Erika announced that she was divorcing Girardi. 

[bravofan27]

On 2/23/2025 at 1:02 AM, hoodooznoodooz said:

What did Kyle do? Thank you.

She made a face, put her glasses on, and said, "Well, this is awkward, I'm going to get some snacks" and slunk off to the patio. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

3 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

She made a face, put her glasses on, and said, "Well, this is awkward, I'm going to get some snacks" and slunk off to the patio. 

Perfection!!

And thank you for reminding us how fabulous the verb “to slink” is!

[bravofan27]

Personally, my first thought when Dorit wanted to take the handbag (which in this case Kyle initiated with Dorit) was, "what is Sutton supposed to do with all the stuff inside the bag?" Was nothing in there? It would have been hysterical if Sutton said, "okay, you can have it, but give me a replacer bag for all my stuff." 

I actually thought the bag was kind of ugly, and too light blue for the 4th. Need a darker blue like what is in the flag. 

 

Edited Monday at 08:19 PM by bravofan27

[princelina]

21 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

Personally, my first thought when Dorit wanted to take the handbag (which in this case Kyle initiated with Dorit) was, "what is Sutton supposed to do with all the stuff inside the bag?" Was nothing in there? It would have been hysterical if Sutton said, "okay, you can have it, but give me a replacer bag for all my stuff." 

Yeah Dorit's bad a joking but if Sutton had some humor she'd have offered to trade it for Dorit's Birkin 😃. Instead she just relied on her trademarked "eye blink/jerk head back/looked shocked and offended" pose which is a little overused in my opinion! 😄

[bravofan27]

37 minutes ago, princelina said:

Yeah Dorit's bad a joking but if Sutton had some humor she'd have offered to trade it for Dorit's Birkin 😃. Instead she just relied on her trademarked "eye blink/jerk head back/looked shocked and offended" pose which is a little overused in my opinion! 😄

YES! I think she stole that look/gesture from Sheana Shay, when she served Stassi and Stassi said, "I don't know what your problem is with me, but I'd like a Pinot Grigio." Sheana made that exact same face with the insulted side eye, and Sutton uses it ALL THE TIME. 

 

https://www.bravotv.com/vanderpump-rules/season-3/episode-5/videos/stassi-but-ill-take-a-pinot-grigio

Edited Tuesday at 06:51 PM by bravofan27

[Keywestclubkid]

Why would Sutton trade her purse for Dorit’s fake and knock off wares? 

Dorit’s thin skeleton fingers wrapped around that purse like it was her lifeline to cash lol 

Edited Tuesday at 07:22 PM by Keywestclubkid

[SemiCharmedLife]

On 2/18/2025 at 5:15 PM, Mr. Miner said:

PK’s in St. Tropez.

I wonder if he has glam in St. Tropez?  I know, wrong RH, but that's all I can think of when I hear see St. Tropez these days...

[Stats Queen]

On 2/19/2025 at 5:44 PM, Keywestclubkid said:

It’s not her house one she isn’t “friends” with the host like that so why would she go trapsinng through her house? .. 

That’s the host responsibility.. 

How would she have known kids were outside? I didn’t hear them.

Dorit was an awful host and PK was only there in the photos, so he was a horrible host.

[ZettaK]

On 2/19/2025 at 6:35 PM, ww92 said:

Besides Housewives, what could Dorit do for a living? I could see her doing something with fashion maybe?

Dorit was a designer before she was married to PK, and we saw her swimsuit line, and bridal line on the show. She had the swimsuit line for years, she even showed on Miami's Swim (Fashion) Week. 

Edited Wednesday at 03:27 AM by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

On 2/21/2025 at 3:50 PM, MissFeatherbottom said:

I'm not sure she would use it. There is no horrible logo splashed across it! 😄

It was an Hermes Kelly (bag). She would use it. 

[ZettaK]

On 2/21/2025 at 8:22 PM, Chit Chat said:

I look at it like this:  Dorit poured her heart out to her, so Boz had sympathy for her.  She seems to have no idea about the relationships between all of the women, so she takes everything Dorit says as the truth. Dorit won her over quickly.  Something will probably happen at some point and Boz will realize that maybe the other ladies have valid points about Dorit.  I think any new HW sides with one or two people to start with.  Once the honeymoon is over, then they see things differently and the dynamics will change again. 

Boz was with Dorit who was a guest on Bravo's Watch What Happens Live recently (last week, or the week before). They are still friends.

Edited Wednesday at 03:39 AM by ZettaK

[Stats Queen]

53 minutes ago, ZettaK said:

Boz was with Dorit who was a guest on Bravo's Watch What Happens Live recently (last week, or the week before). They are still friends.

It is a very weird relationship. I’m glad they are friends. However, how much time has Dorit spent listening in the relationship?

On 2/23/2025 at 8:24 AM, hoodooznoodooz said:

very happy that Sutton did not just cave and give Dorit that adorable handbag.

Dorit was no joking about Sutton’s handbag 

10 hours ago, princelina said:

Yeah Dorit's bad a joking but if Sutton had some humor she'd have offered to trade it for Dorit's Birkin 😃. Instead she just relied on her trademarked "eye blink/jerk head back/looked shocked and offended" pose which is a little overused in my opinion! 😄

Dorit wasn’t joking

[princelina]

16 minutes ago, Stats Queen said:

Dorit was no joking about Sutton’s handbag 

Dorit wasn’t joking

So you really believe she expected Sutton to hand over her purse for Dorit to keep?

[izabella]

On 2/21/2025 at 1:08 PM, Pi237 said:

Are we going to see the remodel of Ericka's pool house before the season ends? Its the only thing about her I'm interested in. 

Don't think this cast is gelling this year. Something seems off. 

 

Same, and same.  I keep waiting patiently to see the transformation, and am disappointed every episode.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Wow. There are so many issues that cast members find offensive, that would never make me get upset.

 

Boz thought it was so offensive that so many individuals were hovering in Dorit’s foyer. 
 

I would just be highly curious!!

Edited Wednesday at 10:01 AM by hoodooznoodooz

[Baltimore Betty]

6 hours ago, princelina said:

So you really believe she expected Sutton to hand over her purse for Dorit to keep?

Along with the credit cards and cash...yes, I believe so.  Maybe she would have left Sutton's phone down by the gate too.

[Keywestclubkid]

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Along with the credit cards and cash...yes, I believe so.  Maybe she would have left Sutton's phone down by the gate too.

I needed this laugh this morning .. thank you so much 

[SemiCharmedLife]

On 2/21/2025 at 10:40 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

Can you imagine if Sutton said "Ok, keep the bag," how would the other women react to Dorit? Would Dorit use that bag or sell on line?

Sutton could buy ten of those bags and feel the sting of a price tag.

When Dorit said she would forgive Sutton for her part in their difficulties if Sutton gifted her the handbag, I thought it would make for great tv if Sutton DID give Dorit the bag and then request it back each time Dorit insults her in the future. That would definitely make Dorit think twice before jumping down Sutton's throat.

[Surrealist]

25 minutes ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

When Dorit said she would forgive Sutton for her part in their difficulties if Sutton gifted her the handbag, I thought it would make for great tv if Sutton DID give Dorit the bag and then request it back each time Dorit insults her in the future. That would definitely make Dorit think twice before jumping down Sutton's throat.

That'd be a hilarious season long subplot. 

[bravofan27]

On 2/25/2025 at 11:22 PM, Stats Queen said:

It is a very weird relationship. I’m glad they are friends. However, how much time has Dorit spent listening in the relationship?

I don't think Boz needs a confidant nor wants advice from anyone. She's going to do what she is going to do. Does Dorit know (or remember) her daughter's name? Probably not. Does Boz care? Probably not. 

IMO, when the other ladies saw that Boz was warming up to Dorit, they tried to "win" Boz to their side. She wasn't having it, and now she's like a dog with a bone (Dorit being the bone). LOL. 

1 hour ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

When Dorit said she would forgive Sutton for her part in their difficulties if Sutton gifted her the handbag, I thought it would make for great tv if Sutton DID give Dorit the bag and then request it back each time Dorit insults her in the future. That would definitely make Dorit think twice before jumping down Sutton's throat.

Or when Sutton pisses Dorit off, Dorit could do a Kim Richards, and say, "I can not accept this handbag. I have to return it to you. It's bad energy." While holding the bag, then somberly, hand it back over. 

I wonder what ever happened to that bunny?

[Salacious Kitty]

The bunny is in Andy Cohen's "clubhouse."