The 97th Academy Awards

[NUguy514]

9 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

I read an interesting article about ageism, women and the awards. It brings up some interesting points. Mike Madison wasn't too young to win one but Timothee Chalamet was. And Demi Moore being "beaten" by a younger woman was basically the lot of The Substance. 

Now I haven't seen Anora but it did make me think. 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/people-noticing-pattern-best-actor-164238668.html

As @ShadowHunter and @slowpoked pointed out, Demi's biggest hurdle was the horror genre, not her age.  Also, Mikey was in the BP frontrunner (and eventual winner), which also matters a ton.  As I said in an earlier post, in a close race, the actor in the more beloved film is going to win, and Mikey's film was definitely more beloved than Demi's.  Age had nothing to do with it.

That article was really ill-informed on the whole, though, as it, in one instance, cited a Shitter post saying Demi and Tim-Tim were the Actress and Actor frontrunners, and that was never the case with Tim-Tim.  Never.  Adrien Brody was always the frontrunner, and I'm not even sure Tim-Tim came in second.  Regarding Demi, she was a really soft frontrunner given the horror genre of The Substance and the broad love for Anora; frankly, if anyone siphoned votes away from Demi, it was probably Fernanda Torres.  People who write articles like these are just not aware of how the Oscars work.

Rather, they take what they wanted the outcome to be and reverse-engineer reasons why that outcome didn't occur.  It is true that younger male actors never win, but it is also true that younger male actors almost never deserve to win because the really interesting male roles skew older.  I actually thought Tim-Tim should've won for Call Me by Your Name, and I'll never get over Heath Ledger not winning for Brokeback Mountain, which is maybe my favorite performance ever by a male actor.  I can't really think of anyone else because there just aren't a lot of meaty roles for male actors in their 20s.

On the other hand, there are plenty of really interesting roles for younger female actors; consequently, more younger female actors win Oscars.  Moreover, as the article points out, more women in their 60s have won Best Actress (nine) than men in their 60s have won Best Actor (six).  Also, the trend lately in Best Actress has not necessarily been to reward younger actresses.  If we look at the last twenty winners, here are their ages at the time of the ceremonies:

2025: Mikey Madison, 25

2024: Emma Stone, 35

2023: Michelle Yeoh, 60

2022: Jessica Chastain, 44 (her birthday was actually three days before the ceremony)

2021: Frances McDormand, 63

2020: Renée Zellweger, 50

2019: Olivia Colman, 45

2018: Frances McDormand, 60

2017: Emma Stone, 28

2016: Brie Larson, 26

2015: Julianne Moore, 54

2014: Cate Blanchett, 44

2013: Jennifer Lawrence, 22

2012: Meryl Streep, 62

2011: Natalie Portman, 29

2010: Sandra Bullock, 45

2009: Kate Winslet, 33

2008: Marion Cotillard, 32

2007: Helen Mirren, 61

2006: Reese Witherspoon, 29

More actresses 40 and older (eleven) have won than actresses under 40 (nine), and it's definitely skewed older in the last eight years.

Really, the problem is not that older actresses are under-rewarded; it's that there just aren't enough roles period for older actresses.  I think the focus should be on creating more roles for older actresses and more interesting roles for younger actors.

Also, while Demi would've been a great winner, Mikey was eminently deserving herself (and maybe gave a more complex performance), and – and I cannot say this enough – Tim-Tim flatly did not deserve to win.  The Shitterverse and this Buzzfeed writer will just have to get over it.

[FilmTVGeek80]

2 hours ago, NUguy514 said:

As @ShadowHunter and @slowpoked pointed out, Demi's biggest hurdle was the horror genre, not her age.  Also, Mikey was in the BP frontrunner (and eventual winner), which also matters a ton.  As I said in an earlier post, in a close race, the actor in the more beloved film is going to win, and Mikey's film was definitely more beloved than Demi's.  Age had nothing to do with it.

That article was really ill-informed on the whole, though, as it, in one instance, cited a Shitter post saying Demi and Tim-Tim were the Actress and Actor frontrunners, and that was never the case with Tim-Tim.  Never.  Adrien Brody was always the frontrunner, and I'm not even sure Tim-Tim came in second.

I guess the one instance of a close right race - recently - not being determined by the more popular film is Brendan Fraser winning over Austin Butler. The Whale did win more Oscars than the zero Elvis got, but Elvis was nominated for Best Picture, and The Whale wasn't.

I agree that Timmy didn't deserve to win (I'm honestly not sure he deserved the nomination), but I assume he came in second because he's the only actor who beat Brody at one of the major precursors. Even before the movie came out, people acted like Timmy was a lock for the nomination. Once it debuted, most of the pundits I watched declared it was a two-person race between TC and Brody. It helped that ACU was inexplicably being showered with nominations from all the major guilds.

[NUguy514]

2 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I guess the one instance of a close right race - recently - not being determined by the more popular film is Brendan Fraser winning over Austin Butler. The Whale did win more Oscars than the zero Elvis got, but Elvis was nominated for Best Picture, and The Whale wasn't.

I agree that Timmy didn't deserve to win (I'm honestly not sure he deserved the nomination), but I assume he came in second because he's the only actor who beat Brody at one of the major precursors. Even before the movie came out, people acted like Timmy was a lock for the nomination. Once it debuted, most of the pundits I watched declared it was a two-person race between TC and Brody. It helped that ACU was inexplicably being showered with nominations from all the major guilds.

I knew Tim-Tim would win SAG (SAG does have over 100,00 members and includes newscasters, etc., and I just had a feeling they'd screw this one up), but I'd still wager Ralph Fiennes was second at the Oscars as Conclave seemed more liked than A Complete Unknown by the Academy with its many international members who don't give a shit about Bob Dylan.

I assume Fraser beat Butler because once Academy members actually watched Elvis, they realized that it was a total *********** and that all the actors, including Butler, were awful in it.  The Whale wan't much better, but it was still better, and Fraser was definitely better than Butler.  The fact that The Whale actually won Makeup while Elvis kept not winning told me Fraser was going to win.  I just wish that Colin Farrell or Paul Mescal had won.

[libgirl2]

7 hours ago, NUguy514 said:

Also, while Demi would've been a great winner, Mikey was eminently deserving herself (and maybe gave a more complex performance), and – and I cannot say this enough – Tim-Tim flatly did not deserve to win.  The Shitterverse and this Buzzfeed writer will just have to get over it.

I wanted Ralph Fiennes to win. Chalamet will win one at some point. 

[slowpoked]

4 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

I wanted Ralph Fiennes to win. Chalamet will win one at some point. 

Timothy winning an Oscar seems like an inevitability at this point. He’ll continue to get the plum roles in both big-budget and Oscar-baity films. He’s like this generation’s Leo DiCaprio. It’s not a question of if, but a matter of when. Although LDC’s Oscar did take awhile.

I can believe Ralph Fiennes ended up being the runner-up to Adrien. He’s well-liked in the industry, most especially in the int’l block of AMPAS (I would think) which has greatly expanded over the last few years. I think he may have gotten hurt just a tad with the incorrect perception that he already won an Oscar. Maybe not enough to overtake Brody, but still siphoned votes off of him.

[MicheleinPhilly]

13 minutes ago, slowpoked said:

I think he may have gotten hurt just a tad with the incorrect perception that he already won an Oscar. Maybe not enough to overtake Brody, but still siphoned votes off of him.

Which is just such a dumb rationale for voting. I mean, Brody already has an Oscar and there are plenty of multiple Oscar winners. 

[slowpoked]

1 hour ago, MicheleinPhilly said:

Which is just such a dumb rationale for voting. I mean, Brody already has an Oscar and there are plenty of multiple Oscar winners. 

But didn’t you hear?! Adrien Brody made a roaring comeback!!!

[FilmTVGeek80]

1 hour ago, slowpoked said:

But didn’t you hear?! Adrien Brody made a roaring comeback!!!

I’m not sure why that’s being seen as some ridiculous exaggeration. I even read an article after his win about how he briefly quit the industry at some point. It may not seem to you that his career had stalled, but he had a string of flops at one point and was not getting the kind of roles you’d expect an Oscar winner to get. After Predators flopped his career was basically kept afloat by supporting roles in Wes Anderson movies, tv appearances, or movies straight to DVD/streaming. 

[libgirl2]

15 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I’m not sure why that’s being seen as some ridiculous exaggeration. I even read an article after his win about how he briefly quit the industry at some point. It may not seem to you that his career had stalled, but he had a string of flops at one point and was not getting the kind of roles you’d expect an Oscar winner to get. After Predators flopped his career was basically kept afloat by supporting roles in Wes Anderson movies, tv appearances, or movies straight to DVD/streaming. 

Yes, he did kind of "go away" for a time and I really thought he would be a one hit wonder. 

[slowpoked]

2 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I’m not sure why that’s being seen as some ridiculous exaggeration. I even read an article after his win about how he briefly quit the industry at some point. It may not seem to you that his career had stalled, but he had a string of flops at one point and was not getting the kind of roles you’d expect an Oscar winner to get. After Predators flopped his career was basically kept afloat by supporting roles in Wes Anderson movies, tv appearances, or movies straight to DVD/streaming. 

Fair enough. I guess to some, he was acting like he was cancelled, which is far from the truth. He had steady work - whether they’re hits, or flops and went straight to streaming, I believe is another conversation altogether. But he wasn’t barred from the industry.

On another note, I just learned that his gf at the Oscars is Harvey Weinstein’s ex-wife.

[MicheleinPhilly]

1 hour ago, slowpoked said:

On another note, I just learned that his gf at the Oscars is Harvey Weinstein’s ex-wife.

SAME. I saw a headline about Harvey Weinstein's kids calling him Popsie or Popsy or whatever and was like, "WHAT?" 

I don't give 2 shits about celebrities' love lives, but I clicked that link so fast. 

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Isabella was wearing blue velvet for David Lynch.

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Props to DL, his Dune(1984) had some great scenes and a killer soundtrack mostly thanks to Toto.