Chit-Chat: The Feels

[PRgal]

@Yeah No I came out as Ambivalent Right. I was sure I’d be “stressed sideliner” or democratic mainstay.  But then again, I was mostly replacing US with Canada, save for questions where it doesn’t make sense (very few.  Mostly those pertaining to super power). 

[Annber03]

5 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

It's the cackle that I was calling phony. Because we really haven't seen too much of it lately. And it was one of her traits that most people couldn't stand about her. Like what the fuck is so funny all the time? 

But Trump can be phony as hell and that's perfectly okay? 

Also, I mean, she lost an election and gets to join the rest of us in watching our country march straight towards authoriatiran rule. Prior to that she was more likely to laugh because, y'know, she was all hopeful and excited about the potential fturure in which our country elected our first woman as president and where we might be able to push back on all the insane shit the right keeps trying to make policy. 

Also, she needed to put on the happy face on the campaign trail because if she went around looking all dour all the time, she'd get criticized for that. 

Like, really, of all the things one could critique about her, her laugh shouldn't even be on the list. And the fact that people are more bothered by her laugh than they are about all the insane shit Trump's said and done, and all the obvious phoniness he's exhibited- again, it just proves how dumb this country is and how fucked up its priorities are. It's a laugh.  Get over it. 

[tres bien]

Why is one person (at least on this board) criticizing Kamala’s laugh because of MAGA’s description of it being a cackle (and before Kamala it was Hilary)

Because they have nothing else.They only have personal insults to hang onto 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by tres bien

[annzeepark914]

We have an incoming president who's been talking about invading & taking over countries (e.g., Greenland, Canada) a la Putin...and someone was bothered by KH's laughter? We have big problems in America & they start with a large percentage of our people.

[bluegirl147]

7 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

We have an incoming president who's been talking about invading & taking over countries (e.g., Greenland, Canada) a la Putin...and someone was bothered by KH's laughter? We have big problems in America & they start with a large percentage of our people.

The media is calling it US expansion.  Can they ever accurately describe what Trump is doing?

[Anela]

8 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I couldn't agree with you more, but I think the examples you give above are a little more moderately left than far left. The far left wants to radically restructure our government, reject capitalism altogether or severely restrict it, eliminate billionaires by taxation and can even be for eliminating as much private property as possible. 

Quite honestly when I joined this thread I felt that I was being criticized because my views on things weren't seen as far left enough. Now I am feeling much more in sync with the views expressed here, but my views haven't changed. So I find that interesting.

I found this very interesting quiz from Pew Research that categorizes political leanings into 9 categories from left leaning to right leaning. The quiz can be found and taken here:

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/quiz/political-typology/ 

On the left are Progressive Left, Establishment Liberals, Democratic Mainstays and Outsider Left.

In the middle are the "Stressed Sideliners"

On the right, from left leaning to right leaning are: Ambivalent Right, Populist Right, Committed Conservatives and Faith and Flag Conservatives.

I came out a "Democratic Mainstay", and I thought I was answering the questions pretty liberally, so go figure.

I would find it interesting how others here would test on this.

 

Sometimes I think these are put out to divide us even more.  They all need to get together, and make a list of basic things we all agree on. Start there.  Health care for everyone, abortion rights, housing for the homeless.  In the past, some moderates didn’t think we should go with national health care - including friends of mine, who are now on board. 

6 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

ICYMI: “Biden to Release 1 Million Barrels of Gasoline to Reduce Prices at the Pump Ahead of July 4”

FACT CHECK: Trump Raised Oil Prices on Americans to Bail Out Big Oil By Cutting a Deal with Putin and OPEC

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WASHINGTON, D.C. – Donald Trump spouts nonstop lies about energy costs because he can’t defend his own record of intentionally increasing oil prices to bail out his big oil donors. Here are the facts, followed by the footage: 

FACT: Kamala Harris cast the tie-breaking vote to triple American clean energy production that is projected to lower electricity bills and gas prices by up to 9% and 13%, respectively.

FACT: In April  2020, Donald Trump cut a deal with Vladimir Putin, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, and OPEC to intentionally increase oil prices and bail out his biggest oil donors after a price war between Russia and the Saudis sent oil prices plunging. 

FACT: Trump cut the deal after his biggest fossil fuel backers lost billions from their net worth in just weeks, including Trump’s most crucial oil donor, Harold Hamm, who convinced Trump to bail the oil industry out after he lost $3 billion in days.  

FACT: Hamm leveraged his years of support for Trump, convincing him to host a whole roomful of oil executives at the White House to hash out the deal. [VIDEO]. Attendees included Kelcy Warren, Jeff Hildebrand, Vicki Hollub, and, of course, Harold Hamm.  

FACT:  If any of those names sound familiar, that’s because they all responded to Trump’s April request for $1 billion by cohosting multiple fundraisers for him over the past six months. That includes the CEO who told Trump that she was upset at the FTC for requesting her cell phone record while they were reportedly investigating her over allegations of potential collusion with OPEC to raise gas prices.

FACT: NBC, “Trump Wanted Lower Oil Prices, But Now He’s Meeting With Industry Executives To Discuss How To Raise Prices.”

FACT: Bloomberg, “Trump Forced by Oil War Into Unthinkable Push for Higher Prices” … “Donald Trump is trying to do something no U.S. president has dared to do in decades: Drive up the price of oil.”

FACT: A USA Today editorial asked, “Amid coronavirus pandemic, why is Donald Trump trying to push up fuel prices?”… The editorial board wrote that  “the most unambiguous winners of higher prices are countries like Russia and Saudi Arabia, not the United States, which is still a net importer. What’s more, his move attempts to help oil companies by imposing higher costs on U.S. consumers, workers and fuel-reliant businesses.”

FACT: Reuters, “Special Report: Trump told Saudi: Cut oil supply or lose U.S. military support – sources”

FACT: Bloomberg, “Trump became the first American president to push for higher oil prices in more than 30 years, reversing his personal opposition to the cartel.”

FACT: The Washington Post, Dan Drezner, “Why Does Trump Want Higher Oil Prices?”

FACT: CNN, “Instead of slamming OPEC for artificially restraining production, Trump is urging the cartel to do just that.”

FACT: Chicago Tribune, Steve Chapman, “Column: Trump’s push for higher gas prices is misguided”

FACTS AND FOOTAGE: Trump has regularly bragged about the deal at rallies and events. There’s even video:  

Iowa, March 2023:  “In fact, I got the oil down so low I had to save the oil companies. How about that one? Remember that little period when you were getting almost free gasoline? We had to save them. We had a call OPEC and we had to call Russia, frankly, and Saudi Arabia. We said, ‘We have to get the price up.’ But we saved all those companies.” … “What caused inflation? The oil price. The oil. Energy.  Energy became so ridiculously expensive, it drove everything up. Now everything is inflated.”

North Carolina, June 2023: “We had the worst, the worst problems and the worst cost of energy in 60 years. We had it down to $1.87 three and a half years ago, a gallon. And we actually had it lower than that, but we won’t even talk about that because I had to save the oil companies that we were all going to go bust. I said this is the first time I’ve ever said we got to get it up a little bit.I actually called Russia and the king of Saudi Arabia.”

Georgia, June 2023:  “Gas prices were at $1.87 a gallon. We actually had them lower than that for a little while, but I had to get them up. We were going to lose the oil companies. They were going so low they were getting killed.”

Texas, July 2020: “But we really did — we did a great job. And I want to thank, frankly, Saudi Arabia.  I want to thank Russia.  I want to thank Mexico.  And I want to thank OPEC, as they call it, Plus.  It’s called OPEC+.”

 

Iowa, March 2023:  “In fact, I got the oil down so low I had to save the oil companies. How about that one? Remember that little period when you were getting almost free gasoline? We had to save them. We had a call OPEC and we had to call Russia, frankly, and Saudi Arabia. We said, ‘We have to get the price up.’ But we saved all those companies.” … “What caused inflation? The oil price. The oil. Energy.  Energy became so ridiculously expensive, it drove everything up. Now everything is inflated.”
 

is one of the quotes in that article.  He had to save his billionaire buddies, not us.  Trump, that is. He admitted it, yet his supporters still run around claiming that it’s all Biden’s fault.  If they did their own research, they would have found the same information.

Edited 3 hours ago by Anela

[bluegirl147]

20 minutes ago, Anela said:

Sometimes I think these are put out to divide us even more.  They all need to get together, and make a list of basic things we all agree on. Start there.  Health care for everyone, abortion rights, housing for the homeless.  In the past, some moderates didn’t think we should go with national health care - including friends of mine, who are now on board. 

ICYMI: “Biden to Release 1 Million Barrels of Gasoline to Reduce Prices at the Pump Ahead of July 4”

FACT CHECK: Trump Raised Oil Prices on Americans to Bail Out Big Oil By Cutting a Deal with Putin and OPEC

 

Iowa, March 2023:  “In fact, I got the oil down so low I had to save the oil companies. How about that one? Remember that little period when you were getting almost free gasoline? We had to save them. We had a call OPEC and we had to call Russia, frankly, and Saudi Arabia. We said, ‘We have to get the price up.’ But we saved all those companies.” … “What caused inflation? The oil price. The oil. Energy.  Energy became so ridiculously expensive, it drove everything up. Now everything is inflated.”
 

is one of the quotes in that article.  He had to save his billionaire buddies, not us.  Trump, that is. He admitted it, yet his supporters still run around claiming that it’s all Biden’s fault.  I guess if they did their own research, they would have found the same information.

I used to have a coworker who during that time argued in favor of bailing out the oil companies. Said basically that the world economy depended on them.  I had flashbacks to 2008 and hearing too big to fail about all the Wall Street companies that played fast and loose with mortgages and other things that after watching the Big Short still barely understand.  Oil companies make record profits pretty much every year. They get subsidies because they donate millions to politicians.  They do their best to curtail any other cleaner energy. Trump told oil companies this last campaign if they donated to him they could do whatever they wanted.   And yet I seem to remember him saying our energy prices will go down on day one of his next term.  If only liar liar pants on fire was real.  The man would have incinerated decades ago.

Edited 3 hours ago by bluegirl147

[Dimity]

1 hour ago, tres bien said:

Because they have nothing else.They only have personal insults to hang onto 

People criticize her laugh but embrace Trump's mocking cruelty when he speaks of anyone who dares to disagree with him.  I will never understand people.

[Yeah No]

49 minutes ago, Anela said:

Sometimes I think these are put out to divide us even more.  They all need to get together, and make a list of basic things we all agree on. Start there.  Health care for everyone, abortion rights, housing for the homeless.  In the past, some moderates didn’t think we should go with national health care - including friends of mine, who are now on board. 

I never really thought about national health care until about 10 years ago and wondered why more people weren't on board with it. Then I started to hear more moderate Democrats calling for it as the years progressed. Now even my Independent husband who has voted for quite a few Republican presidents is fully on board with it. So it has been spreading.

Speaking of my husband, I intend to give him that Pew quiz to see where he lands politically according to their categories. That should be interesting because I think his views are generally more Democratic than Republican.

[atomic]

2 hours ago, Annber03 said:

But Trump can be phony as hell and that's perfectly okay? 

Pretty much. Latest phony stunt by the Trump team:

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Trump’s oldest son visited Greenland this week as his father expressed interest in buying the island — despite officials making it clear it’s not for sale.

Danish public media organization DR News reports that many of the Trump supporters pictured dining with the president-elect’s son were unhoused and “socially disadvantaged” people asked to wear MAGA merch and offered a free dinner at Hotel Hans Egede in the town of Nuuk.

After his visit, Trump Jr. said Greenland residents “[love] America and Trump.” But multiple employees told DR News that Trump Jr.’s team handed MAGA hats to several people in front of Brugseni, a nearby grocery store, while inviting them to a free lunch at the hotel.

Brugseni employees and long-time town residents told DR News they recognized many of the people photographed dining with Trump Jr.

Tom Amtoft, a Nuuk resident of nearly three decades, told DR News that they are unhoused and elderly people who have difficulty making ends meet.

“All they have to do is put on a cap and be in the Trump staff’s videos...it is deeply distasteful,” Amtoft said.

 

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-jr-greenland-visit-supporters-b2676937.html

 

[Dimity]

2 minutes ago, atomic said:

Tom Amtoft, a Nuuk resident of nearly three decades, told DR News that they are unhoused and elderly people who have difficulty making ends meet.

 Interesting. These are the very people who will suffer the most under his presidency.

[peacheslatour]

9 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I couldn't agree with you more, but I think the examples you give above are a little more moderately left than far left. The far left wants to radically restructure our government, reject capitalism altogether or severely restrict it, eliminate billionaires by taxation and can even be for eliminating as much private property as possible. 

Quite honestly when I joined this thread I felt that I was being criticized because my views on things weren't seen as far left enough. Now I am feeling much more in sync with the views expressed here, but my views haven't changed. So I find that interesting.

I found this very interesting quiz from Pew Research that categorizes political leanings into 9 categories from left leaning to right leaning. The quiz can be found and taken here:

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/quiz/political-typology/ 

On the left are Progressive Left, Establishment Liberals, Democratic Mainstays and Outsider Left.

In the middle are the "Stressed Sideliners"

On the right, from left leaning to right leaning are: Ambivalent Right, Populist Right, Committed Conservatives and Faith and Flag Conservatives.

I came out a "Democratic Mainstay", and I thought I was answering the questions pretty liberally, so go figure.

I would find it interesting how others here would test on this.

 

I couldn't complete the survey because I don't believe any country should be a military super power.

[Anela]

Someone posted on twitter, that this is a national abortion ban.  
 

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/78/all-info?s=2&r=58&q={"search"%3A"actionDate%3A\"119|2025-01-03\"+AND+(billIsReserved%3A\"N\"+OR+type%3A\"AMENDMENT\")"}

All Information (Except Text) for H.R.78 - To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit certain abortion procedures, and for other purposes.

https://x.com/saddymayo/status/1878224710804082688

one of the twitter links.  Someone commented in the first post I read, that they would need sixty votes in the Senate, so it won’t pass.  

[Dimity]

9 minutes ago, Anela said:

Someone commented in the first post I read, that they would need sixty votes in the Senate, so it won’t pass.  

On the further plus side, keep it up Trump and the House will definitely not be staying Republican in 2026.

[partofme]

31 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

Speaking of my husband, I intend to give him that Pew quiz to see where he lands politically according to their categories. That should be interesting because I think his views are generally more Democratic than Republican.

I didn’t like that the survey asked nothing about US domestic policy.   Still I got Progressive Left, which is accurate even though I prefer the term liberal.  

[Absolom]

9 hours ago, Yeah No said:

 

I found this very interesting quiz from Pew Research that categorizes political leanings into 9 categories from left leaning to right leaning. The quiz can be found and taken here:

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/quiz/political-typology/ 

On the left are Progressive Left, Establishment Liberals, Democratic Mainstays and Outsider Left.

In the middle are the "Stressed Sideliners"

On the right, from left leaning to right leaning are: Ambivalent Right, Populist Right, Committed Conservatives and Faith and Flag Conservatives.

I came out a "Democratic Mainstay", and I thought I was answering the questions pretty liberally, so go figure.

I would find it interesting how others here would test on this.

I found the quiz interesting and my results surprising.  Before taking it I would have thought I was near the middle with left leaning tendencies.  I came out as Establishment Liberal.  That's in the 19% most liberal (13% in that group plus the 6% more liberal).  No wonder I find political discussion so disturbing.   I had no idea I was that far away from so much of the country.  If they had asked different questions, I might have swung a bit more to the middle.  But if they brought up women's health rights, I might have been as far left as one can go.  

Edited 2 hours ago by Absolom

[bluegirl147]

1 hour ago, partofme said:

I didn’t like that the survey asked nothing about US domestic policy.   Still I got Progressive Left, which is accurate even though I prefer the term liberal.  

I got the same results and was a little surprised.   I would have thought Establishment Liberal but you say potatoe I say potahto.  And I will always consider myself a liberal.

[Kemper]

What I wonder about is the mindset of MTG's constituents. Have they given any thought to what she has accomplished for them during her tenure? Has she worked on proving she has their interests at heart...and not her own childish, look-at-me agenda? Introduced any legislation that would show that she cares, even a wee bit, about their daily lives and struggles?

Getting her name and face in the news; working on how she "presents" re hair and makeup? That she has attained. But to her voters? Epic fail. 

[annzeepark914]

1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

I couldn't complete the survey because I don't believe any country should be a military super power.

I took the survey and was stunned that it said I am establishment liberal. That's odd as MrP914 refers to me as a Republican (he's a *mega* Progressive so of course I must seem conservative to him 😁). Surveys like this are really only meant for people who see things in black or white, no in-betweens. I consider myself a moderate Democrat, flexible, liberal in some areas, conservative in others.  

[partofme]

28 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I got the same results and was a little surprised.   I would have thought Establishment Liberal but you say potatoe I say potahto.  And I will always consider myself a liberal.

I will always use the term liberal because I remember growing up hearing Republican politicians on tv using the word liberal like a dirty word, though on domestic policy I am very far left, the politicians I most align with are Warren, Sanders and AOC.  

[peacheslatour]

2 minutes ago, partofme said:

I will always use the term liberal because I remember growing up hearing Republican politicians on tv using the word liberal like a dirty word, though on domestic policy I am very far left, the politicians I most align with are Warren, Sanders and AOC.  

Same here. Although it cracks me up how some of the most zealous Bernie supporters are also the ones that wouldn't shut up for a second about Biden's age.

[partofme]

Is anyone as disgusted as I am by the Laken Riley immigration bill that is likely to pass that allows immigrants who haven’t been charged with a crime to be detained?  Only 9 Democratic senators had the balls to vote against it.  I’ve lived in NJ for about a year now, usually I really miss NY, but I am so proud of both my NJ senators for voting against it, unlike the two useless ones from NY.  

[peacheslatour]

7 minutes ago, partofme said:

Is anyone as disgusted as I am by the Laken Riley immigration bill that is likely to pass that allows immigrants who haven’t been charged with a crime to be detained?  Only 9 Democratic senators had the balls to vote against it.  I’ve lived in NJ for about a year now, usually I really miss NY, but I am so proud of both my NJ senators for voting against it, unlike the two useless ones from NY.  

When was the vote held? The only one I could find was held Jan. 7 and there were 159 Dem. votes against it.

[Dimity]

23 minutes ago, Kemper said:

Introduced any legislation that would show that she cares, even a wee bit, about their daily lives and struggles?

I'm amazed she hasn't introduced legislation yet targeting the Jews who started the LA fires with lasers - or some such nonsense.  Anyone who voted for her a second time needs to give back their high school diplomas.

[partofme]

13 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

When was the vote held? The only one I could find was held Jan. 7 and there were 159 Dem. votes against it.

January 9.  The roll call is listed in the link. 
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1191/vote_119_1_00001.htm

This was the Senate vote, it may have gone differently in the house. 

Edited 33 minutes ago by partofme

[peacheslatour]

4 minutes ago, Dimity said:

I'm amazed she hasn't introduced legislation yet targeting the Jews who started the LA fires with lasers - or some such nonsense.  Anyone who voted for her a second time needs to give back their high school diplomas.

After the Both Sides Are Bad discussion we had here the other day, I've been ruminating on exactly which rights the big bad left is supposed to have taken away from Americans the way the right has with voting rights, Roe, marriage equality and coming to a Republican legislature near you contraception, freedom of movement, no fault divorce, a whole slew of privacy laws. Name one thing any Democratic legislature has done that's come even close.

[Dimity]

2 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Name one thing any Democratic legislature has done that's come even close.

By the same token, I've asked Trump supporters who are reading this thread to discuss the positives they saw in the last Trump administration and the things they feel he is going to do that will benefit the country.  So far...

[bluegirl147]

22 minutes ago, partofme said:

I will always use the term liberal because I remember growing up hearing Republican politicians on tv using the word liberal like a dirty word, though on domestic policy I am very far left, the politicians I most align with are Warren, Sanders and AOC.  

I love Elizabeth Warren.  In 2106 while I liked a lot of Bernie's policies I wasn't crazy about him.  

19 minutes ago, partofme said:

Is anyone as disgusted as I am by the Laken Riley immigration bill that is likely to pass that allows immigrants who haven’t been charged with a crime to be detained?  Only 9 Democratic senators had the balls to vote against it.  I’ve lived in NJ for about a year now, usually I really miss NY, but I am so proud of both my NJ senators for voting against it, unlike the two useless ones from NY.  

I read a quote by a House Dem and he said his constituents voted for him to vote yes on bills like this.  Did they though? This is what happens.  Dems move right get the scars thrown to them.

12 minutes ago, Dimity said:

I'm amazed she hasn't introduced legislation yet targeting the Jews who started the LA fires with lasers - or some such nonsense.  Anyone who voted for her a second time needs to give back their high school diplomas.

She is the one who harassed one of the Parkland students when they were in DC.  Everything she is does is performative.  Her and Boebert are the absolute worst.

[Dimity]

[bluegirl147]

4 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

After the Both Sides Are Bad discussion we had here the other day, I've been ruminating on exactly which rights the big bad left is supposed to have taken away from Americans the way the right has with voting rights, Roe, marriage equality and coming to a Republican legislature near you contraception, freedom of movement, no fault divorce, a whole slew of privacy laws. Name one thing any Democratic legislature has done that's come even close.

Don't you know they want us to suffer by having Social Security and Medicare waiting for us when we retire.  They have the gall to want people to be able to vote more easily.  Oh and the kicker is they want us to stay a democracy.

[peacheslatour]

1 minute ago, bluegirl147 said:

Don't you know they want us to suffer by having Social Security and Medicare waiting for us when we retire.  They have the gall to want people to be able to vote more easily.  Oh and the kicker is they want us to stay a democracy.

History's greatest monsters.

[partofme]

3 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

love Elizabeth Warren.  In 2106 while I liked a lot of Bernie's policies I wasn't crazy about him.  

I didn’t vote for him, I love HRC, but I would have happily voted for him had he got the nomination.  I agree with Sanders completely on domestic policy, I just think some like Elizabeth Warren, who I also love (and met and had my picture taken with!!!) is a better messenger.  

[bluegirl147]

1 minute ago, partofme said:

I didn’t vote for him, I love HRC, but I would have happily voted for him had he got the nomination.  I agree with Sanders completely on domestic policy, I just think some like Elizabeth Warren, who I also love (and met and had my picture taken with!!!) is a better messenger.  

Totally agree.  Bernie always came across as an angry old man.  The type who would yell at you to get off his lawn.  But Warren is like a kind caring teacher who wants us all to learn what she is teaching so not only do we pass her class but we take what we have learned and go out and make the world a better place.

[tearknee]

5 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

After the Both Sides Are Bad discussion we had here the other day, I've been ruminating on exactly which rights the big bad left is supposed to have taken away from Americans the way the right has with voting rights, Roe, marriage equality and coming to a Republican legislature near you contraception, freedom of movement, no fault divorce, a whole slew of privacy laws. Name one thing any Democratic legislature has done that's come even close.

The thing i truly dislike about the left if i had to be pressed is pacifism. "Blood for oil" always deliberately ignored that if the USA -- or any country -- wanted Iraq's oil -- it can simply buy it, as it did both before and after the Iraq War. The "peace movement"'s philosophy -- "our goal must always be peace. Continue with diplomacy" means "continue with torture and murder" to every tinpot and not-so-tinpot tyrant or regime.

Diplomacy and sanctions are particularly useless if the regime is backed by powers such as Russia or the PRC [both nuclear ones].

 

[peacheslatour]

4 minutes ago, tearknee said:

The thing i truly dislike about the left if i had to be pressed is pacifism. "Blood for oil" always deliberately ignored that if the USA -- or any country -- wanted Iraq's oil -- it can simply buy it, as it did both before and after the Iraq War. The "peace movement"'s philosophy -- "our goal must always be peace. Continue with diplomacy" means "continue with torture and murder" to every tinpot and not-so-tinpot tyrant or regime.

Diplomacy and sanctions are particularly useless if the regime is backed by powers such as Russia or the PRC [both nuclear ones].

 

I agree but tariffs will work for sure! 

[tearknee]

4 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I agree but tariffs will work for sure! 

My great-grandfather was a WW1 veteran. He spent the remaining years of his life disabled to the point of incapacity (with the means and support in that era) after Kaiser Bill's army sent gas into his trench. He and his pals knew what they were fighting against. He would have regarded the "peace movement" with utter and rightful contempt.

[bluegirl147]

War is no longer about protecting another country or liberating another country.  It's not even about settling a score.  It's about funneling money to defense contractors.  Remember back during the Iraqi war "soldiers" working for Blackwater were making a lot more money than soldiers in our military.

[PRgal]

17 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Totally agree.  Bernie always came across as an angry old man.  The type who would yell at you to get off his lawn.  But Warren is like a kind caring teacher who wants us all to learn what she is teaching so not only do we pass her class but we take what we have learned and go out and make the world a better place.

My husband thinks Warren looks like the librarian who is always trying to shush kids, even those who are using their "library voices."