Chit-Chat: The Feels

[Ohiopirate02]

43 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I voted for Obama in the 2008 primary.  I knew when he spoke at the DNC in 2004 he was going to be President one day.

 

30 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Bolded mine. It's so interesting you should say that. My husband and I watched the same speech, looked at each other and said "There is our first black president". You could feel the excitement even back then.

I also watched that speech and knew he was not going to be in the Senate for long. I also joked with my older brother about that speech and how much it echoed the fake back story of Prince Akeem in Coming to America.

[kittykat]

56 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

 

And all this is why I hate the third-party and non voters probably more than anyone. I hate the MAGA cult, but at this point, it’s a disinterested kind of anger, more of a reflex, because as the saying goes, never expect more than a grunt from a pig. But the others? They knew what was at stake, they saw what happened in 2016, yet they did it to us again. We tried to warn them, BEG them to see sense, and they accused us of being vote shamers or Blue MAGA all so that they could feel morally superior in their nihilism. It’s so performative it’s pathetic.

And the worst part is they won’t accept responsibility. “Kamala should’ve done this, Biden should’ve done that, I don’t want to be complicit…” STFU.

I seriously cannot with people on the Internet right now going THE DEMOCRATS SCREWED BERNIE OVER IN 2016 so I won't forgive them.  It's also pretty telling that most of the so called Bernie Bros (Joe Rogan included) shifted to Trump this year.  It makes me question their true allegiance to what they were supporting and what issues.  But the point being they all seem to think that Bernie was a victim of some Democrat conspiracy.  He. Did. Not. Have. The. Votes. He fell short on black and female voters, Hillary Clinton crushed him on Super Tuesday but they chose to follow the narrative of he got screwed.  And I was a Sanders fan but no one is a louder cloud yeller than he is and he has his faults like anyone but his fervent supporters saw him as their perfect candidate and punished the wrong person when they didn't get their way.

Anyhow, I haven't been here a few days but I'll weigh in on Lantern yelling at a cyber truck.  It was just yelling for Pete's sake.  I've spent the last month angry and tired, I tried burying myself in Thanksgiving and Xmas decor but it's felt more like the bargaining stage of grief. I'm tired of being so angry but it's not going away any time soon.  Besides why are we all weighing the morality of yelling at cars when prior to the election multiple cars and lawn signs displaying Harris/Walz were vandalized, stolen and damaged because the other side couldn't contain their rage?  

[Enigma X]

I met President Obama in 2005 at my niece's graduation. He gave a speech and said, "Remember my name." I also shook his hand. He shook all the graduates' hands and everyone else's as they left.

[Dimity]

3 minutes ago, kittykat said:

Besides why are we all weighing the morality of yelling at cars when prior to the election multiple cars and lawn signs displaying Harris/Walz were vandalized, stolen and damaged because the other side couldn't contain their rage?  

It is always like this.   Right Wing Whiner: "Oh you've got cancer?  Well sure but hey look at this boo boo on my finger, now you talk about pain."

[partofme]

28 minutes ago, kittykat said:

I seriously cannot with people on the Internet right now going THE DEMOCRATS SCREWED BERNIE OVER IN 2016 so I won't forgive them.  It's also pretty telling that most of the so called Bernie Bros (Joe Rogan included) shifted to Trump this year.  It makes me question their true allegiance to what they were supporting and what issues.  But the point being they all seem to think that Bernie was a victim of some Democrat conspiracy.  He. Did. Not. Have. The. Votes. He fell short on black and female voters, Hillary Clinton crushed him on Super Tuesday but they chose to follow the narrative of he got screwed.  And I was a Sanders fan but no one is a louder cloud yeller than he is and he has his faults like anyone but his fervent supporters saw him as their perfect candidate and punished the wrong person when they didn't get their way.

I’ve never understood the argument that Bernie was robbed when he clearly didn’t have the votes. It would be like me arguing Hillary was robbed in 2008, I wasn’t that happy about it since I didn’t think he was very liberal but I voted for Obama. (Oh and despite my reluctance about Obama in 2008, I did phone bank for him in 2012.  First and only time I will do that, speaking to people on the phone is not my thing). I agree with Bernie on almost everything and would have been okay with him as the candidate if it went that way but I voted for Hillary in the primary because I,’d wanted her to be president since 2000 and there used to be a website, I have no idea if it still exists, called Istandwith.com that would ask you where you stood on hundreds of issues and then told you what percentage you matched each candidate, and the difference between Hillary and Bernie for me according to this website was negligible so I voted for Hillary.  

Edited December 3 by partofme

[peacheslatour]

I was reluctant to post this here because it's very triggering for me but this is what we're getting with the Mango Mussolini. This is from Salon and it's Pete Hegseth's pastor's view. Hegseth not only attends this guy's church, he sends his kids to their school.

"[T]he sexual act cannot be made into an egalitarian pleasuring party," he writes. "A man penetrates, conquers, colonizes, plants. A woman receives, surrenders, accepts." The alleged failure of women to submit, he continues, leads men to "dream of being rapists," deprived of the "erotic necessity" found in women's submission. Nancy Wilson, Doug Wilson's wife, backs this view, comparing a wife to a "garden" cultivated for the husband's pleasure: "But of course a husband is never trespassing in his own garden."
Wilson has repeatedly denied that such teachings are a justification for marital rape, but interviews with members of his church and students from his schools suggest they were left with little room for interpretation.
 

[Salacious Kitty]

Don't get me started on Doug Wilson. That man is FOUL. 

[bluegirl147]

35 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I was reluctant to post this here because it's very triggering for me but this is what we're getting with the Mango Mussolini. This is from Salon and it's Pete Hegseth's pastor's view. Hegseth not only attends this guy's church, he sends his kids to their school.

"[T]he sexual act cannot be made into an egalitarian pleasuring party," he writes. "A man penetrates, conquers, colonizes, plants. A woman receives, surrenders, accepts." The alleged failure of women to submit, he continues, leads men to "dream of being rapists," deprived of the "erotic necessity" found in women's submission. Nancy Wilson, Doug Wilson's wife, backs this view, comparing a wife to a "garden" cultivated for the husband's pleasure: "But of course a husband is never trespassing in his own garden."
Wilson has repeatedly denied that such teachings are a justification for marital rape, but interviews with members of his church and students from his schools suggest they were left with little room for interpretation.
 

Trump only picks the best don't cha know.

With all these horrendous nominees are they not vetted or does Trump (or Musk for all we know) not care or think  they are terrible candidates? 

So Hegseth has sexual assault allegations. And now it's being reported he alcohol is a problem for him. A rational person would ask him to pull his name from consideration but Trump will most likely try to bully Senators into confirming him.

[EtheltoTillie]

Hegseth, the man whose own mother accused of abuse and misogyny.  And no, I don't buy her later recanting. 

Edited December 3 by EtheltoTillie

[peacheslatour]

15 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Trump only picks the best don't cha know.

With all these horrendous nominees are they not vetted or does Trump (or Musk for all we know) not care or think  they are terrible candidates? 

So Hegseth has sexual assault allegations. And now it's being reported he alcohol is a problem for him. A rational person would ask him to pull his name from consideration but Trump will most likely try to bully Senators into confirming him.

Aside from the alcohol and the weird-ass religion, they are birds of a feather

[bluegirl147]

I think he surrounds himself with sexual abusers/assaulters/harassers so they can all swap stories.  According to someone who interviewed Jeffrey Epstein even Epstein thought Trump was a terrible person.

[Is Everyone Gone]

At this point, I've lost track of how many nominees have sexual abuse/assault/harassment scandals.

[Jaded]

1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Don't get me started on Doug Wilson. That man is FOUL. 

The only Doug Wilson I want to hear about is the one from the TV show Trading Spaces....🙃

Seriously though I'm glad my Nana was a good example of how women don't need men to lead a fulfilling life. 

[peacheslatour]

48 minutes ago, Jaded said:

The only Doug Wilson I want to hear about is the one from the TV show Trading Spaces....🙃

Seriously though I'm glad my Nana was a good example of how women don't need men to lead a fulfilling life. 

Same. My gran always said "learn how to support yourself. Don't depend on some man to take care of you." She graduated from Hood College in 1929.

[Annber03]

21 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

The only thing they're fleeing is poverty. And that doesn't give them the right to cross our borders illegally. And it's not fair to those who have come into our country legally. The buck has to stop somewhere. We can't keep supporting the entire countries of Middle America, etc.

Poverty...and war*...and famine...there's lots of reasons people will move out of their home countries to go somewhere else. It's not as simplistic as you like to make it seem. 

Also, you know that there are lots of people who've been on the waiting list to get into the country for YEARS. Decades, even. And if shit's getting real in their home country and they're kind of tired of waiting and need to get out, like, now? I'm not exactly going to be all that upset about that. 

"We can't keep supporting the entire countries of middle America" - not sure what you mean by this?

*I'd also point out that a large part of why people flee their homelands is because of wars that countries such as ours start or get involved in. It's a little rich for us, or other first-world countries, to be starting up or participating in wars all over the planet and then acting shocked and outraged when the people from the countries where the wars are happening want to, y'know, get the hell out of ther and wind up coming to our shores. We destroy their homelands, the least we could do is help give them a safe place to come to when they need to leave. 

Our nation is built on immigration. It's been a part of our history from the start. There are definitely improvements and changes that can and should be made to how immigration is handled and how our borders are secured, but the GOP's methods sure as shit ain't it. Especially since they're completely incapable of discussing any issues relating to immigration without loading their comments full of racist and xenophobic language towards said immigrants. Trump was ranting about the Hatians in Ohio - and they are here legally. So this idea that they're only railing against those who are here illegally, well, pardon me if I find that bullshit. They're just pissed that non-white people are here, period, regardless of their legal status. 

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And that would be your opinion.

No, that's actual facts. Biden did not cause the prices of food to go up. Biden does not spke up gas prices (think about it, why would any president willingly want to push the prices of everything up just for funsies?). Gas prices are tied to our dependence on oil, and store prices are the result of corporations doing price gouging along with the pandemic totally fucking up how businesses did things and them needing to try and recoup their losses.

Biden inherited an economy that tanked due to a pandemic that he had to rebuild, and he has been rebuilding it, since, y'know ,we've had a lot of job growth since he took office. 

These are all easily verifiable facts that you can look up. 

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He did fast-track the vaccine. What did Biden do?

And when he tells his supporters to take this vaccine, they refuse to do so, so...there's that. 

As for what Biden did, are you seriously asking this? Biden listened to the experts and didn't throw hissy fits and constantly try to contradict them or act like he knew more than them. Biden didn't suggest injecting bleach to deal with COVID. Biden worked with state officials to handle and manage lockdowns and encouraged people to wear masks and get vaccinated, and he led by example by doing all of that himself. 

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For the record, I'm on your side when it comes to abortion. It should remain legal everywhere!  But that said, DJT said he was going to leave it up to each individual state.

If you're on my side on that issue, then maybe stop telling us all to "just wait and see" about Trump coming back int office, since, y'know, it was him who picked the SC justices that ensured the overturning of Roe. 

And yeah, he says a lot of things. Very different things, often at the same time. You'll excuse me if I'm not exactly holding my breath on trusting his stance on anything relating to this issue. 

Even if he did genuinely think abortion should be a state by state issue, that's still a shitty stance to take. Basic civil and human righs should not be left up to the states. They should be guaranteed nationwide to EVERYONE. It's absolutely insane to expect people in Republican-controlled states to have to travel to Democratic-led states just to get a procedure such as this if need be. 

(To say nothing of how there are Republican leaders who want to try and make it as difficult as possible to allow people to travle between states to get abortions, so...yeah.)

So if you agree with me that abortion should remain legal nationwide, then Trump is clearly the wrong candidate to support in regards to that issue, no? 

Still waiting to hear how women having to care for children they were forced to have and may not be able to afford to care for will somehow help spare them all the current economic woes. 

15 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I don't see a nationwide ban on birth control or gay marriage, but the states with Republican legislatures and governors will have laws passed to restrict these things. The birth control stuff will happen because the Right is willfully ignorant on how the menstrual cycle and pregnancy work. They believe emergency contraceptive is the same thing as mifepristone (the so-called abortion pill) as well as believing IUDs are also abortifacients because they prevent implantation because "life" begins when the sperm meets the egg full stop. These are the same people who think doctors can go in remove an ectopic pregnancy and reimplant the embryo in the uterus resulting in a healthy baby. Also the same people who firmly believe a D and C done after a women miscarries is somehow not an abortion even though the medical codes say it is.

They also love to scaremonger about late term abortions, as if women just decide willy nilly to suddenly get an abortion for funsies eigh or nine months into their normal, healthy pregnancy. Literally the only time anyone ever has an abortion in that stage of pregnancy is if it is a legitimately life-treatening "the mother will absolutely die if she continues this pregnancy" scenario. That is it. 

But good luck trying to convince the anti-abortion crowd of that fact. 

9 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I voted for her in 2016 because even back then I knew that Donald Trump was evil. Hilary was just another corporate left-center politician but she wasn't going to fuck the country over. Think how much better her handling of the pandemic would have been. She would have listened to the experts and not demonized poor Fauci who knows more about immunology than anyone else in the world.  W. even gave him Presidential Medal of Freedom. But Trump's ego wouldn't let him give anyone else the spotlight and attention he feels he himself deserves.

This. All of this. Hillary was not my first pick in the primaries - I can't remember who was running then that was - but I had much resepct for her and her years of hard work and experience and depth of knowledge and I supported a lot of her policy stances, so yeah, I too happily and eagerly voted for her in 2016. The choice was about as obvious as it could get as far as I was concerned. And yes, having a woman in charge for a change was an exciting element as well. Same reasons I voted for Harris. 

But apparently this country thinks idiotic men like Trump are more deserving of the presidency than intelligent, capable women. 

8 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

I voted for Obama in the 2008 primary.  I knew when he spoke at the DNC in 2004 he was going to be President one day.

I remember reading an interview with Obama in an issue of Rolling Stone back in...2004, ,I think it was? Somewhere in there? And I actually took the magazine to my dad and showed it to him and was like, "You need to read this." He definitely had that special something early on, for sure. That was such an exciting election and I remember watching Stewart and Colbert doing the election coverage that night and announcing Obama had won, and the crowd was erupting in cheers and Colbert was clearly breaking character (as he was still doing "The Colbert Report" then) and looked so emotional in a good way...

Yeah. It was a great night. I miss that. I want to go back to that. 

[Soapy Goddess]

22 hours ago, anony.miss said:

They weren't paid - that's just another right wing rumor that  started on Facebook/jumped to right wing media, and has been debunked:

Ok, if they weren't paid, where did a BILLION dollars go? That's some campaign. And from all reports, she still owes 20 million.

[Soapy Goddess]

17 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

The only thing?  Isn't that enough?  You know what comes with poverty? Crime.

Yes, and they're bringing the crime with them...said the mother of the woman who had her head bashed in by an illegal immigrant with ZERO remorse.

[Soapy Goddess]

13 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

It’s great that you’re probably in such a safe demographic that you don’t have to worry about the horrific things 45 has planned and stated he wants to do - that they won’t aversely affect you.

Your assumption that I'm in a "safe demographic" has no bearing on what will or won't affect me. Whether you're right or wrong, I AM affected by our economy, as well as crime and illegal immigration...which happen to be the top three issues that drove this election. And for the record, I've already posted how I feel about Roe v Wade. I can't defend what happened.

[tearknee]

8 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Your assumption that I'm in a "safe demographic" has no bearing on what will or won't affect me. Whether you're right or wrong, I AM affected by our economy, as well as crime and illegal immigration...which happen to be the top three issues that drove this election. And for the record, I've already posted how I feel about Roe v Wade. I can't defend what happened.

I'm not in a safe demographic, given my ABI, autism, and my egg donor's horribleness, but i concur with the leaders of the actual marginalized communities who wish that the "defund the police!" Richard Heads would go and take a running leap into the Bermuda Triangle.

 

[Soapy Goddess]

3 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Also, you know that there are lots of people who've been on the waiting list to get into the country for YEARS. Decades, even. And if shit's getting real in their home country and they're kind of tired of waiting and need to get out, like, now? I'm not exactly going to be all that upset about that. 

What about all the immigrants that came here legally after WW2? They WERE escaping war and/or dictatorship. But they did it the RIGHT way.

 

3 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Our nation is built on immigration. It's been a part of our history from the start. There are definitely improvements and changes that can and should be made to how immigration is handled and how our borders are secured,

We are/I am the product of that history. But again, my ancestors did it the legal way with the proper documentation and waiting period.

 

3 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Biden does not spke up gas prices (think about it, why would any president willingly want to push the prices of everything up just for funsies?). Gas prices are tied to our dependence on oil

Inadvertently, he did. When you stop drilling and the pipeline dries up, so will our gas prices because we then become dependent on other countries for our fuel. We need to become fuel independent.

 

3 hours ago, Annber03 said:

If you're on my side on that issue, then maybe stop telling us all to "just wait and see" about Trump coming back int office, since, y'know, it was him who picked the SC justices that ensured the overturning of Roe. 

The "wait and see" was about all the other issues. Like I said, Roe v Wade should have never been overturned. There is NO defending that at all 😔

[anony.miss]

44 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Ok, if they weren't paid, where did a BILLION dollars go?

The same place most of Trump's funds went to - media buys and advertising - but one key difference is that Harris had 101 days to run for president, while Trump had four years. That time frame required a huge financial outlay from the Harris campaign to even hope to be competitive.

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 And from all reports, she still owes 20 million.

The reports are from right wing media (so I take that factoid with a mountain of salt) and Patrick Stauffer, financial officer for the Harris campaign, has denied the campaign is in debt. Until a less biased press entity weighs in, I'm not biting. But if it does turn out she owes cash, she'll pay her bills. Unlike Trump.

Edited December 4 by anony.miss

[Soapy Goddess]

3 minutes ago, anony.miss said:

The same place Trump's money went - media buys and advertising -  one crucial  difference is that Harris had 100 days & change to run for president, while Trump had four years. That time frame required a huge financial outlay from the Harris campaign to even hope to be competitive.

I concur, but you sort of made my point for me 😉 IOW, if she spent over a billion dollars in 100 days (a little over 3 months), it makes people wonder just how much she would have spent if she had 4 years?!!

[anony.miss]

23 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

 you sort of made my point

How so? The cost of matching Trump's four years worth of campaigning in three months is not the same as having four years to govern - it's apples and oranges. And since Trump is the one handing out tax cuts to billionaires (vs Harris' tax cuts for the middle, lower middle,  and working class) when it comes to America's financial stability, she's not the one burning through cash.

 

Edited December 4 by anony.miss

[FilmTVGeek80]

57 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Yes, and they're bringing the crime with them...said the mother of the woman who had her head bashed in by an illegal immigrant with ZERO remorse.

They're bringing crime with them? And do you have actual statistics to back that up, or just cherry-picking random acts to justify such a ridiculous claim? How about this? How about we kick out all the White men from this country because I'm pretty sure they commit a more significant percentage of crime than immigrants? I'm not seriously suggesting that, but if your barometer of who should stay in this country is who commits more crimes...

18 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

I concur, but you sort of made my point for me 😉 IOW, if she spent over a billion dollars in 100 days (a little over 3 months), it makes people wonder just how much she would have spent if she had 4 years?!!

Are you trying to seriously suggest that running a campaign is the same as running the country? They're not remotely the same. And why aren't you making just as big a deal of 45's big cash haul and how he spent it?

[Soapy Goddess]

5 minutes ago, anony.miss said:

How so? The cost of matching Trump's four years worth of campaigning in three months is not the same as having four years to govern - apples and oranges. And since Trump is the one handing out tax cuts to billionaires vs. Harris wanting tax cuts for middle & lower middle class, when it comes ot financial policies, she's not the one burning through money.

 

Ok, but she was spending other people's money. I get that's what it's for, but you have to agree that OVER a billion dollars is a lot of money in such a short period of time. And one of those purchases was for putting her face on the new Sphere in LV. That was NOT cheap either! And for what? A whole 5 minutes?? 

[FilmTVGeek80]

51 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Your assumption that I'm in a "safe demographic" has no bearing on what will or won't affect me. Whether you're right or wrong, I AM affected by our economy, as well as crime and illegal immigration

I would seriously like to know how you've been adversely affected by illegal immigration? You say you'll be affected by issues like the economy and crime, yet you have such a blasé attitude about the dangers 45 can cause. People who are going to be affected the worst by 45's harmful choices aren't, generally, the people telling others to relax and hoping for the best even though they admit they have no idea what 45 is even going to do that can help anything.

5 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Ok, but she was spending other people's money. I get that's what it's for, but you have to agree that OVER a billion dollars is a lot of money in such a short period of time. And one of those purchases was for putting her face on the new Sphere in LV. That was NOT cheap either! And for what? A whole 5 minutes?? 

Yes, it is a lot of money. And? That's the money that was raised. It shows how fired up people were to donate to her. The amount of time wasn't the point. The exposure is. 

[Soapy Goddess]

Look, we're just spinning our wheels here. And quite frankly, I'm tired of hearing the same mantra repeatedly. No one person's view is totally complete. I don't owe you an explanation of my views and vice versa.

I used to take these disagreements personally. One of us had to be wrong and my position had to be accepted. I no longer think that way. If you think the sea is green and I think it's blue, I don't have to spend all day trying to convince you. I believe in myself and respect that other people are entitled to do the same.

Peace out folks!

[Dimity]

I've decided if my parents could live through the depression a world war and the Cold War I can get through four more years of this. I just feel so bad for those I know who will be way more affected than I will.

I hope at the end of it all we get our own Nuremburg trials.

Edited December 4 by Dimity

[Dimity]

In some positive news looks like the Senate may have a spine after all. We shall see.

[CM-BlueButterfly]

Hi everyone,

just a quick note to address the use of the term “illegal” to describe an individual.

As no individual is inherently illegal and no individual’s existence is illegal, using the term “illegal” to describe an individual is considered dehumanizing language. (It’s considered that as it classifies individuals as something other than a human-being).

When discussing immigrants present in the US without proper documentation, please use any of the following alternatives:

- undocumented immigrants
- unauthorized immigrants
- immigrants without status
- unlawfully present immigrants

Please note that the term “illegal immigrant” also has its problems. While it’s not dehumanizing per se, it does label the individual rather than their action even though it’s their action that’s illegal and not the immigrant themselves. Additionally, we tend to associate the word “illegal” with having committed a crime. However, crossing the border unlawfully and being present in the US without proper documentation isn’t a criminal but a civil offense.
Furthermore, immigration status is fluid and anyone has the right to request asylum regardless of how they entered a country. So, someone who crossed the border without authorization can become an immigrant with legal status.

On a related note, while I get the motivation behind the use of nicknames, please be so kind and refer to any individual you discuss by their name.

Lastly, kindly remember that the feelings and opinions expressed are equally valid. When responding, please respect the opinion of the individual you’re responding to. 

Thank you. 

[Ohiopirate02]

8 hours ago, Annber03 said:

They also love to scaremonger about late term abortions, as if women just decide willy nilly to suddenly get an abortion for funsies eight or nine months into their normal, healthy pregnancy. Literally the only time anyone ever has an abortion in that stage of pregnancy is if it is a legitimately life-threatening "the mother will absolutely die if she continues this pregnancy" scenario. That is it. 

But good luck trying to convince the anti-abortion crowd of that fact. 

 

That is one of those things that if you did just a few minutes of research you will find that there are only 2 or 3 clinics in the whole country where one could get that procedure and the monetary costs associated with it make it too expensive for anyone to just decide at 37 weeks to abort. Plus the long waitlist to get an appointment there because again there are very few clinics and doctors who perform the procedure that they are too busy saving women's lives to fit in random patients. 

And yet the one clinic in Colorado still gets death threats and protesters. 

[bluegirl147]

1 hour ago, Dimity said:

I hope at the end of it all we get our own Nuremburg trials.

I doubt it.  I feel like a lot of countries (or at least their heads of state) are going to appease Trump.  Much like some did to Hitler. They feel like it's easier to go along to get along. 

4 hours ago, anony.miss said:

The same place most of Trump's funds went to - media buys and advertising

And most likely in his pocket or to pay legal fees.  Trump has always been shady with fundraising. 

8 hours ago, Annber03 said:

But apparently this country thinks idiotic men like Trump are more deserving of the presidency than intelligent, capable women. 

Men only need to be mediocre to succeed.  Women need to be exceptional. Men only need to show up.  Women need to be prepared.  

8 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Still waiting to hear how women having to care for children they were forced to have and may not be able to afford to care for will somehow help spare them all the current economic woes. 

The anti abortion crowd does not care one whit about any babies born. It's the fetuses controlling and punishing women they care about.

15 hours ago, kittykat said:

He. Did. Not. Have. The. Votes

I would have voted for him if he had been the nominee but he wasn't going to beat Trump.

15 hours ago, kittykat said:

he has his faults like anyone but his fervent supporters saw him as their perfect candidate and punished the wrong person when they didn't get their way.

I used to watch a YouTube show that loved Bernie. To this day he is the only politician they don't criticize. They still talk about him like he was some sort of Messiah or something.  Some of his supporters IMO were/are the left MAGA. They think Bernie can do no wrong.

 

[Dimity]

On 12/3/2024 at 1:58 AM, Soapy Goddess said:

Relax. Mass deportation of 11+ million people is ridiculous and never gonna happen.

I think most posting here agree with you on this.  But you seem to be ignoring the fact that it is Trump who is the one being ridiculous (and cruel and misleading and his usual horror show) here, not those of us responding to his rhetoric.  Will you post that Trump is ridiculous?

[Dimity]

8 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I doubt it.  I feel like a lot of countries (or at least their heads of state) are going to appease Trump.  Much like some did to Hitler. They feel like it's easier to go along to get along. 

The only bright spot is 'only' four years.  He may try, and being Trump I won't be surprised to see him attempt it, but he won't be able to change things so that he can run again.

[Ohiopirate02]

53 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I used to watch a YouTube show that loved Bernie. To this day he is the only politician they don't criticize. They still talk about him like he was some sort of Messiah or something.  Some of his supporters IMO were/are the left MAGA. They think Bernie can do no wrong.

 

I remember the Bernie Bros harassing a writer I used to follow off of Twitter for donating money to Pete Buttigieg's campaign. Even after she explained why she donated the money the death threats still continued. And the reason why was because she knew him at Harvard and Pete helped her one night get out of a dangerous situation that could have resulted in the writer getting sexually assaulted. The level of obsession to trawl through the donation data to see which internet personalities donated to which political campaign and then use that information to bully people online is unhinged.

[annzeepark914]

3 hours ago, Dimity said:

The only bright spot is 'only' four years.  He may try, and being Trump I won't be surprised to see him attempt it, but he won't be able to change things so that he can run again.

One never knows when it comes to djt. Trump will be the first person sworn in while out on bail.

So, this morning, when I grabbed my phone & was ready to see what was going on in the world, I had a weird sensation. I thought about it for a few seconds...until I realized what the hell it was. We're on Trump Time once again. It's that nauseating time when one dreads clicking on the news and finding out what fresh hell he's brought us. We never got 4 full years of a break. God help us get through another term with this nutter.

 

Edited December 4 by annzeepark914

[Dimity]

2 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

We never got 4 full years of a break

We've been on Trump times since 2016.  He never really left.  It's like endless repeats of the worst day of your life, over and over and over...

[annzeepark914]

8 minutes ago, Dimity said:

We've been on Trump times since 2016.  He never really left.  It's like endless repeats of the worst day of your life, over and over and over...

Well...for 3 years and 9 months (I think 😉) he couldn't actually *do* anything. Sure, he was out there, constantly babbling away. But, now his inane (& dangerous) comments and decisions can affect us all. It's been a bit unsettling watching what's happening in South Korea. 

[PRgal]

6 hours ago, tearknee said:

I'm not in a safe demographic, given my ABI, autism, and my egg donor's horribleness, but i concur with the leaders of the actual marginalized communities who wish that the "defund the police!" Richard Heads would go and take a running leap into the Bermuda Triangle.

 

I'm sorry your egg donor was a b-word (I assume that's what you mean by "horribleness..."  I vaguely new a family whose surrogate dumped them after there was no pregnancy and one of our prospective surrogates was MIA for a pre-selection meeting).  

[bluegirl147]

40 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

We're on Trump Time once again. It's that nauseating time when one dreads clicking on the news and finding out what fresh hell he's brought us.

It's true. Every morning I wake up and think what fresh hell is he going to unleash today. I never stopped hoping every news alert I got was him dropping dead but now I'm actively hoping he is in fact dead. Sunday night when I heard the breaking news sound on ABC I thought he surely had either died or did something insane like nominate Baron to Secretary of video games or something. Then I heard them say President Biden and I thought oh no is he......and he pardoned Hunter.

[Dimity]

16 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I never stopped hoping every news alert I got was him dropping dead but now I'm actively hoping he is in fact dead

My dad is not in the best of health right now but one thing that is keeping him going is his determination to outlive Trump. 

[kittykat]

So I watched the Jon Stewart bit about pardoning Hunter and he was...not happy about it.  He called out the Democratic Party for being the party of law and order only to lose that ground because Joe bent the law...this time?

Sorry I'm usually a fan of his Monday bits and it has some good humor but I think he slightly missed the mark.  Why wasn't the 18 minutes on the nomination of Kash Patel, which he led with?  There could have been a whole segment about the ridiculousness of these cabinet nominees but no Jon goes on about the alleged hypocrisy of the Democrats because Biden made a decision of the heart.  No mention of Trump pardoning Roger Stone or Joe Arpaio because Republicans gonna Republican. I know he's always been critical of both parties but I'm so sick of reading and listening to Democrats bash and blame one another. One pardon does not make the Democratic party lose the moral high ground.  In fact go farther, if Joe enters DGAF mode and starts pardoning Oprah style I'd get it.  I just think Jon Stewart had a chance to really call out the horribleness of Trump's transition and once again chose the wrong side to wag his finger at.

I'm not saying don't call out side out but don't bury the lead and normalize what the Trump side is doing.

[partofme]

1 hour ago, Dimity said:

We've been on Trump times since 2016.  He never really left.  It's like endless repeats of the worst day of your life, over and over and over...

I am so sick of thinking about this awful man 24/7.  I was so hopeful before the election that it was almost over and he would go away, but no we can’t have nice things. 

[Dimity]

5 minutes ago, kittykat said:

I'm not saying don't call out side out but don't bury the lead and normalize what the Trump side is doing.

In six months the only people who will be impacted by Biden pardoning Hunter will be the Biden family.  Can Jon Stewart, or anyone else say that in six months the US, not to mention the rest of the world, won't be deeply impacted by what Trump and his cronies are about to unleash?  But sure, Stewart et al, one must have one's priorities straight 🙄.

[partofme]

6 minutes ago, kittykat said:

So I watched the Jon Stewart bit about pardoning Hunter and he was...not happy about it.  He called out the Democratic Party for being the party of law and order only to lose that ground because Joe bent the law...this time?

This is such a ridiculous take for him and other Democrats who think like this.  Presidents of both parties always pardon people.  It would have made no sense for Joe to not pardon his son when he was only prosecuted in the first place because of who his dad is.  Trump’s kids and son in law  have committed worse crimes but no charges were ever brought against them.  

[bluegirl147]

Jon Stewart has been bugging me for awhile.  He along with Bill Maher are always criticizing what Democrats do.  I know Democrats aren't perfect but compared to the Republicans in office they are miles better.  And to criticize Biden for this one pardon, which yes was from the heart, and not take Trump to task for the many many pardons he issued and will be issuing is just ridiculous. 

Hunter Biden being pardoned has turned into Hillary's emails.  It is being excessively covered in the media and they are acting like nobody else has done this.  And I swear to god if Biden issues a statement saying he is sorry I will be pissed.  He doesn't owe anyone an apology.

And speaking of pardons I saw that clown Joe Manchin (he can't leave soon enough)say Biden should pardon Trump. In the name of unity and moving on or some bullshit.  You never fucking hear anyone say Republicans should play nice and get together with Democrats and sing Kumbaya. But Democrats are always expected to be the bigger person.  I don't remember if it was when Kevin McCarthy or Mike Johnson running for Speaker of the House and not getting enough Republican votes and people saying some Democrats should help a brother out.  And I thought are you fucking kidding me.

 

[peacheslatour]

Today both Trump and Musk have been talking about cutting Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Fantastic, the leopards are insatiable.

 

[partofme]

11 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Jon Stewart has been bugging me for awhile.  He along with Bill Maher are always criticizing what Democrats do.

I never watched The Daily Show, but I’ve seen Stewart on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert in recent years and he has the most horrible take on everything.  To the point that I wonder how the hell Colbert remains friends with him.  Maher is just an asshole.  

[Dimity]

22 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Today both Trump and Musk have been talking about cutting Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Fantastic, the leopards are insatiable.

But of course the Trumpists will bray on and on about Harris's campaign and Biden pardoning Hunter because that's what  really matters to them even though both these things are, frankly, in the rear view window now.  If their income actually is cut will even that make them realise who they really needed to worry about?  Probably not.

Edited December 4 by Dimity

[bluegirl147]

My speculation is Stewart, Maher and I would include Jerry Seinfeld even though he has never really been political, preferred the Democratic party when it was still like stand up comedy.  Mostly guys running things.  And it's easy for Stewart and Maher to sit on high knowing whatever happens won't affect them.  Maher said as much when talking to Seinfeld. That a second Trump term wouldn't hurt them. 

2 minutes ago, Dimity said:

If their income actually is cut will even that make them realise who they really needed to worry about?  Probably not.

They will blame Democrats.  I know some people on the left will.  They will say Dems did nothing to protect those programs. I swear anytime Republicans want to pass things they only need a simple majority but when Democrats want to do something it requires a supermajority.