S01.E05: Homecoming

[Snazzy Daisy]

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With his nascent operation at stake, Oz makes a desperate move to turn the tables.

Meanwhile, Sofia strives to build a new legacy for herself.

Air Date: Oct 20, 2024

 

 

Edited October 14 by Snazzy Daisy

[Snazzy Daisy]

Edited October 24 by Snazzy Daisy

[SeanC]

Sofia's bringing a new Marxist philosophy to running the mafia.

Unless Mrs. Maroni has a nasal problem, I'm not sure how she didn't pick up on her son being doused in gasoline.

[magdalene]

Batman canon would dictate that Oz will come out on top at the end of the season. I am more than ever convinced that Victor is not getting out of this series alive. I used to watch Breaking Bad back in the day and the survival of Jesse is an outlier to me, very much not the usual outcome with those kind of dynamics at play.

I have a crazy love for Sofia.

[paigow]

Any death scene for Vic would likely be martyr / sacrifice, thereby providing motivation / justification for Oz to activate super evil mode.

[dwmarch]

11 hours ago, SeanC said:

Unless Mrs. Maroni has a nasal problem, I'm not sure how she didn't pick up on her son being doused in gasoline.

I'm also curious as to why she allowed herself to be consumed by the flames. A little stop-drop-and-roll would have gone a long way here. Just because someone lights you on fire doesn't mean you have to stand there and take it.

[paigow]

Too bad that Squid is watching everything...

Sofia Elvira is also redefining Business Casual attire

[paigow]

How much value does Dr. Rush add to a criminal enterprise? Is he going to become Scarecrow?

[Snazzy Daisy]

The Penguin | Inside Episode 5 | Max

 

[SeanC]

1 hour ago, dwmarch said:

I'm also curious as to why she allowed herself to be consumed by the flames. A little stop-drop-and-roll would have gone a long way here. Just because someone lights you on fire doesn't mean you have to stand there and take it.

From hugging her son she’d have had a fair bit of gasoline on her too. She burned up a bit too quickly there, but rolling on the ground wouldn’t have done much.

[paigow]

13 hours ago, SeanC said:

Sofia's bringing a new Marxist philosophy to running the mafia....

More like Breaker Of Chains

[Chicago Redshirt]

15 hours ago, SeanC said:

Sofia's bringing a new Marxist philosophy to running the mafia.

Unless Mrs. Maroni has a nasal problem, I'm not sure how she didn't pick up on her son being doused in gasoline.

Sofia's philosophy isn't Marxist -- it's capitalist. She's buying everyone's loyalty by saying that they all will get more money her way, with her at the top. They seem inclined to go with her despite her having a va-jay-jay, despite her having murdered a bunch of folks who they up till now depended on for their livelihood.

Things did happen relatively fast, so I can suspend disbelief that she didn't process that he was doused and that Oz was going to do what he did.

14 hours ago, magdalene said:

Batman canon would dictate that Oz will come out on top at the end of the season. I am more than ever convinced that Victor is not getting out of this series alive. I used to watch Breaking Bad back in the day and the survival of Jesse is an outlier to me, very much not the usual outcome with those kind of dynamics at play.

I have a crazy love for Sofia.

There's been multiple version of these characters so it's hard to say what's "canon." At least hypothetically -- especially if this is supposed to be a limited series that lasts just one season -- it could end up with Oz dead and the Gigante crime family ruling over all. Or Oz could still be on the run. 

I have hopes that Victor survives. Part of me hopes that he becomes this universe's version of serial killer Victor Szasz. But there's no basis for that, obviously.

10 hours ago, paigow said:

Any death scene for Vic would likely be martyr / sacrifice, thereby providing motivation / justification for Oz to activate super evil mode.

Isn't he in super evil mode already? Lighting a kid and his mother on fire and then trolling the dad?

It would seem to me that Mama Penguin would be a far better choice to fridge if there needs to be one. Oz actually and deeply cares about her. I'm not convinced that he cares about Vic (or anyone else) except as a means to an end.

3 hours ago, paigow said:

How much value does Dr. Rush add to a criminal enterprise? Is he going to become Scarecrow?

I don't think he is going to become Scarecrow, but in terms of what he can do:

1. Vouch for Sofia's sanity, reformed nature, etc. to the authorities

2. Help supply ex-Arkham residents as foot soldiers for the Gigantes.

3. Help in the gathering of materials for Bliss

4. Be the equivalent of consigliere for the Gigantes. Sofia has no one else who she can trust, unless I'm missing something. All the surviving gangsters would stab her in the back in a heartbeat if they could get a better deal out of it. Rush is some combination of fascinated by/in love with/in lust with Sofia and so Sofia should feel relatively comfortable in relying on him. 

[Snapdragon]

7 hours ago, dwmarch said:

I'm also curious as to why she allowed herself to be consumed by the flames. A little stop-drop-and-roll would have gone a long way here. Just because someone lights you on fire doesn't mean you have to stand there and take it.

I mean, if my child was on fire, I wouldn't just ditch out on them.  I'd also try until my dying breath to help them, so I understand why that played out like it did.  

I do like how the show is edging Oz's evil up every few episodes.  He could have killed Mrs. Maroni and her son in a much more humane way but he chose to light them on fire, then stood there are watched with what appeared to be a great deal of satisfaction.  

I feel like Oz's mom is going to die and there's a good chance that Oz might do it himself in one of his rage fits after she makes one of her nasty comments.  I'm also 75% sure that Vic isn't making it out of this show alive and that either Oz will sacrifice him to save himself/gain some advantage or he'll just outright kill him in cold blood, just to cement how truly terrible the Penguin really is ("Sorry, kid, but you's knows too much.")

I do find it interesting that the writers basically wiped out the two crime families that we stared out with and kind of reset the game board.  

Also, I now kinda want to wear a slip dress with a faux fur coat.  Crazy as Sofia might be, you can't argue with the style!

 

Edited October 21 by Snapdragon

[UnknownK]

For OZ to take over the ruling crime families have to go one way or another.

[magdalene]

3 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

Isn't he in super evil mode already? Lighting a kid and his mother on fire and then trolling the dad?

Yes! I am not rooting for Oz.  His expression while they burned and screamed....

I have empathy moments for him and I appreciate any kindness he has shown Victor - I know I am naive there.

I am rooting for Victor and I can't help cheering for Sofia. That's where I am at this moment.

[Snazzy Daisy]

Am totally rooting for Oz! 💪🏼

Everybody has darkness in them. It’s just how much he lets it out.

 

[thuganomics85]

Yeah, this is definitely proving to be a series where being listed in the main credits means squat for longevity.  Outside of Colin Farrell and probably Cristin Milioti, it's certainly not guaranteed they will actually be around come finale time.  I wonder who will be next?!  My money is on Francis/Oswald's mom being a goner for sure, Eve/Carmen Ejogo is probably going to be in the crosshairs soon, and I'm 50/50 on if Vic is destined for a tragic end.  Not sure about Sal: canon wise, he has a big role in the universe going forward, but it wouldn't be the first time they change things around.

Interesting that both Oswald and Sofia had a similar approach about recruiting those who aren't "made" and have been mainly sacrificial pawns/goons in the families, and inspiring loyalty that way.  The difference so far is that Sofia seems to have the resources to make that work and is honest with those beneath her that is making it easier for them to respect her and her word.  Meanwhile, Oswald seems to be still flying by the seat of his pants and is telling those in league with him half-truths at best.  I wonder if this will come into play later on?

So, Johnny Vitti stuck around to just get Sofia in a room with those left alive and then got a bullet to his head after one too many words.  I wonder if the body will be disposed of and they will make it look like he was the one behind the gas leak, since the seeds have already been planted.

Hey, they brought Chief Bock from the film!  Dare I dream of a possible surprise appearance from Gordon?!

Still don't trust Dr. Rush and wouldn't be surprised if he ends up actually being a problem for Sofia instead of an ally.

 Oswald's got himself a new lair!

[rollacoaster]

8 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

Still don't trust Dr. Rush and wouldn't be surprised if he ends up actually being a problem for Sofia instead of an ally.

He's sexually obsessed. He's definitely gonna be a problem. The hard-on he had after Spfia put a bullet in Johnny's head...

I wager he'll be useful for a while, then become possessive. He'll need to be retired.

[paigow]

On 10/22/2024 at 7:19 AM, rollacoaster said:

The hard-on he had after Spfia put a bullet in Johnny's head...

His Tinder profile....

If you like public executions and getting caught in the rain

[Sir RaiderDuck OMS]

On 10/21/2024 at 7:37 PM, thuganomics85 said:

So, Johnny Vitti stuck around to just get Sofia in a room with those left alive and then got a bullet to his head after one too many words.  I wonder if the body will be disposed of and they will make it look like he was the one behind the gas leak, since the seeds have already been planted.

The Mrs. and I are divided on whether Sofia was always going to kill Johnny. My wife thinks she was, but I think Sofia wanted to keep him around but on a very short leash, which expired as soon as he sharply questioned her in front of everyone. He inadvertently made it obvious that his change of heart was just an act, and he still viewed her as a lightweight to be pushed around. One bullet to the head later, and his opinions are no longer her concern.