Season 12 Episode 9 - Higher Love

[Gramto6]

Whitney seeks Flamenco inspiration for her Spain trip ahead of her 40th birthday; with Jaime and Heath's wedding approaching, Whitney fears a confrontation with Kenny.

Edited September 4 by Gramto6
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[BAForever]

"How can I quell this mid-life crisis?"

A- get a fulfilling job

Whit does actually have a certain grace that many larger women do not have. Really noticed it while she was dancing. 

[SunnyBeBe]

7 hours ago, BAForever said:

"How can I quell this mid-life crisis?"

A- get a fulfilling job

Whit does actually have a certain grace that many larger women do not have. Really noticed it while she was dancing. 

She really did seem to take to that dance.  I think she has great potential with it.

What in the world happened with that dress she wore to the wedding? Hmmmm…she couldn’t have lost weight that fast, right?  

The wedding looked really nice.  I thought Whit looked lovely, and despite the large dress, better than she ever has. 
 

I didn’t get the nude pic idea.  Jessica…bad idea. Lol

Hope Tal is ok.  

[Mollywolly555]

I thought the blue dress fit perfectly, except it was too long,  unless she had worn a bit higher heel, or nicer shoes than those ratty sandals. Whit is used to form fitting,  not flattering clothes,  like the flamenco dress,  and deems the blue dress too big. 

She is  setting herself up for confrontation with Kenny, makibg a big deal out of it. Just let it go and be cordial. Jeez, girl,  get over yourself. Sounds like Jaime read Kenny the riot act about his blunt comments about liking smaller women to Whit, so he is trying to make up for his faux pas. All of them need to move on. 

Midlife crisis? Yes,  a meaningful job or project, or some time helping others to get a perspective of real issues and gratitude for what you do have, and just getting out and about among people rather than isolating, less screen time,  or deep therapy, and exercise are recommended often to get out of your head, or kvetching, poor poor pitiful me. 

Whit chose food over feelings and is facing those consequences now. But she loves showing off her body doesn't she? No way Jessica suggested nude photos. Whit just had her say it, so Whit can still play the demure Southern flower act while showing her hoo-ha to the world, like she did before in her soft porn career. Sure, those kind of pix will get Her the guy of her dreams and not the fetishists or incels.  

[SunnyBeBe]

Probably right about it not being Jessica’s idea.  
 

She had the dress gathered up and tied with a clip in the back that looked like it held at least 5 inches of fabric. It’s visible in a couple of scenes.  
 

I doubt they really drank moonshine. It’s illegal and dangerous!   Ugh…

 

[BAForever]

Whit's dress was lovely, fit issues aside, and her hair looked very pretty with her hairband or whatever it was. A big nothing burger re Kenny. 

The Angie-Jamie dance was sweet, are mommy-daughter dances a thing now at weddings? I've been to 2 recently, and nothing there. 

Hope Tal is ok. Depression/anxiety (not diagnosing, just guessing) is cruel and overwhelming. Glad he is seeking help.

[applewood]

5 hours ago, Mollywolly555 said:

Midlife crisis? Yes,  a meaningful job or project, or some time helping others to get a perspective of real issues and gratitude for what you do have, and just getting out and about among people rather than isolating, less screen time,  or deep therapy, and exercise are recommended often to get out of your head, or kvetching, poor poor pitiful me. 

 

I though her dress for the wedding was nice. I liked the color. The wedding was beautiful.

Regarding her "mid life crisis", as others have said she needs some kind of job or project to keep her busy. I was wondering if Whitney would be interested in flipping houses. She seems sooo invested in redoing her father's house. Maybe she would like that sort of thing.

[princelina]

7 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I doubt they really drank moonshine. It’s illegal and dangerous!   Ugh…

My friend's husband makes moonshine as a retirement hobby - the apple pie flavor is the best!  It's not all dangerous paint thinner these days 😂

The dress (and Glen in the bathroom during pics!) were there to give us some suspense in our storylines, IMO.  The nudies?  I have no idea! 

I am still laughing about poor Kenny getting his come-uppance for thinking he and his squirrel could get some camera time without having to pay the fake-boyfriend piper!! 🤣

[Me from ME]

Her self-importance was so noticeable during this episode. It wasn't her job to make sure that Glen was in the wedding picture. And it sure as HE77 wasn't up to her to announce that he had been in the bathroom.

[lightninggirl]

Did they gave a BOGO on the freaky aqua blue fake contacts? Because Todd was wearing them in his talking head. Todd, you are sliding off of my Good Barnacle list. 🙄

"I certainly was not planning on taking my clothes off." sure, and I have some swampland to sell you.

Hunter's pants - thank god someone got him to a tailor before the wedding. Lord. 

I'm not yucking on Jaime and Angie's mother-daughter dance, but is that an actual thing? I've never seen that. I've seen mother-son dances and father-daughter dances, but I've never seen mother-daughter one. I probably have spaced out on this factoid, but does Jaime not have a dad? I thought I saw someone walk her down the aisle but wasn't sure if Angie's current husband was Jaime's dad or not.

[BAForever]

2 hours ago, lightninggirl said:

 I probably have spaced out on this factoid, but does Jaime not have a dad? I thought I saw someone walk her down the aisle but wasn't sure if Angie's current husband was Jaime's dad or not.

Angie's hubby started walking with Jamie, and then her father walked her the rest of the way- that was sweet. I've seen brides walk with both father and stepfather at the same time. 

Very good that when people can put away any past history and be able to make nice for a wedding. 

[Meow Mix]

the only other time I saw a mother daughter dance was when Christine from Sister Wives danced with one of her daughters at her wedding.  It may be a thing now.  I haven't been to any weddings in quite a while, so I don't know.

I liked Whitney's blue dress.  That style is very flattering on her.  If it had been tailored correctly it would have been better, but at least it covered the bits and bobs and didn't cling in places you don't want your dress to cling.  She may have originally had it hemmed with higher heels, but then didn't wear them.  I learned that lesson after getting a dress hemmed for a cruise but wearing a lower heel because I didn't want to fall over when the ship was rocking.

I wish Glenn would shut up about people getting married and having grandchildren.  He already has three grandchildren and one great-grandchild.  Knock it off already.  

Agree wholeheartedly that Whitney needs to get some sort of job or hobby.  As I said in another thread, the show has taken over her life and it is very unhealthy.  Time to get back to true reality.

[Yeah No]

9 hours ago, lightninggirl said:

Did they gave a BOGO on the freaky aqua blue fake contacts? Because Todd was wearing them in his talking head. Todd, you are sliding off of my Good Barnacle list. 🙄

Lawd, isn't Todd treading lightly and kissing up this season? He's doing penance for his snark of seasons past. He doesn't want to end up like Kenny, who is now regretting messing up his 15 minutes of fame and losing a paycheck. 

5 hours ago, Meow Mix said:

Agree wholeheartedly that Whitney needs to get some sort of job or hobby.  As I said in another thread, the show has taken over her life and it is very unhealthy.  Time to get back to true reality.

Yes, as I said in other threads the show and all the fake boyfriends/barnacles have replaced real life for her and are keeping her away from finding a real boyfriend and real life. But she may be unconsciously sabotaging herself in doing that. 

I saw a preview during this episode where she hints around at possibly having "met someone". A theory I posted a couple of weeks ago is that she might have already met someone and all this stuff about her trying to meet someone is fictional backfill for the show. I know I got scoffed at but come on, of course she's going to "meet someone". Probably another fake boyfriend or just another Kenny type for filler but hey, you never know, he may be a real one this time. I keep thinking about that. There's something different about her this season, different enough that it might be that she really has met someone. It's probably just a red herring or another fake out but I guess we'll find out. 

[SunnyBeBe]

4 hours ago, Yeah No said:

Lawd, isn't Todd treading lightly and kissing up this season? He's doing penance for his snark of seasons past. He doesn't want to end up like Kenny, who is now regretting messing up his 15 minutes of fame and losing a paycheck. 

Yes, as I said in other threads the show and all the fake boyfriends/barnacles have replaced real life for her and are keeping her away from finding a real boyfriend and real life. But she may be unconsciously sabotaging herself in doing that. 

I saw a preview during this episode where she hints around at possibly having "met someone". A theory I posted a couple of weeks ago is that she might have already met someone and all this stuff about her trying to meet someone is fictional backfill for the show. I know I got scoffed at but come on, of course she's going to "meet someone". Probably another fake boyfriend or just another Kenny type for filler but hey, you never know, he may be a real one this time. I keep thinking about that. There's something different about her this season, different enough that it might be that she really has met someone. It's probably just a red herring or another fake out but I guess we'll find out. 

Good points.  I have also noticed something different this season. I’m not quite sure what it is.  There is something about her that is different….it’s subtle.  But, still apparent, imo.  Perhaps, it’s something else….maybe, it’s the new found family support she’s getting….idk.  It seems her health is improved, so there’s that, but I tend to believe there may be something the show is not revealing just yet.  

Edited September 5 by SunnyBeBe

[Yeah No]

3 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Good points.  I have also noticed something different this season. I’m not quite sure what it is.  There is something about her that is different….it’s subtle.  But, still apparent, imo.  Perhaps, it’s something else….maybe, it’s the new found family support she’s getting….idk.  It seems her health is improved, so there’s that, but I tend to believe there may be something the show is not revealing just yet.  

Agreed! I just wanted to add that I think the change is not just an act either. I feel like it's something genuine, whatever it is. I'm sure her health has improved with her weight loss so that's good.

[Pi237]

15 hours ago, Meow Mix said:

 

I wish Glenn would shut up about people getting married and having grandchildren.  He already has three grandchildren and one great-grandchild.  Knock it off already.  

Seriously. Who asked?  Enjoy the dozen new family members you have now. Many older folks, unfortunately, don’t have such support and events they’re included in. 
 

There was a moment during the wedding photos when Whitney looked up and back into the light, and wow, she really looked beautiful. She is a very pretty woman, especially when she’s not being sloppy.

She’s an odd combination of insecurity about not being married/having kids vs Getting totally Nude and rocking a photo shoot like a playboy model.   It’s not my thing, but good for her. Why not? But there’s no way that was spontaneous. 
 

I find weddings boring, but they all really looked great and had fun. I’ve only seen one Mother-Daughter dance at a wedding and it was a single mom situation. It was sweet tho. 

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, Pi237 said:

She’s an odd combination of insecurity about not being married/having kids vs Getting totally Nude and rocking a photo shoot like a playboy model.   It’s not my thing, but good for her. Why not? But there’s no way that was spontaneous. 

Whitney is like a female "shock jock". I'm OK with a nude photo shoot but the fact that she is always doing these bawdy things for shock value on TV is just not attractive and feels to me like it's coming from her dysfunctionality not some kind of healthy acceptance of her body. The only way she is comfortable showing her sexuality is by being too forward and gross, and men just don't find that attractive - no one does. But again my theory is that she's unconsciously trying to put men off with that behavior. This "aren't I fun and cute?" crap is just not fun or cute and she is far too old to be engaging in that behavior anymore without it looking even more pathetic than it ever did.

[princelina]

20 hours ago, lightninggirl said:

I'm not yucking on Jaime and Angie's mother-daughter dance, but is that an actual thing? I've never seen that. 

I've only ever seen it when there is no dad involved.  I think it was done for filming so that Whitney could cry about Babs.

For those of you missing the Todd snark, he said a funny last week when Tal and Whitney were in the bathtub with the spice rack - when Tal was saying what the basil was for I heard Todd in the background saying "spaghetti sauce" 😄

[LeesburgLee]

So, I have a question. During the moonshine scene, Hunter’s girlfriend Karen said something about taking the smaller piece of fruit in the jar and Whitney came back with “Well, stick with what you’re used to” and let out one of her braying laughs. Do I have a dirty mind or did W make a d**k joke about her brother?

[Yeah No]

8 minutes ago, LeesburgLee said:

So, I have a question. During the moonshine scene, Hunter’s girlfriend Karen said something about taking the smaller piece of fruit in the jar and Whitney came back with “Well, stick with what you’re used to” and let out one of her braying laughs. Do I have a dirty mind or did W make a d**k joke about her brother?

Yup you got it right. Yet another example of her shock jock/bawdy/inappropriate behavior that puts people off. She may try to justify it to herself by claiming it makes people watch her show but that's just an excuse and not really why she does it. Unfortunately her parents have some responsibility in this. They didn't teach her to set appropriate boundaries with people. They may have thought she was "cute" and "let her be her" but that only gave her the impression that it's OK to say stuff like that. If she had my parents it would have been WWIII between her and my mother until she stopped "making a fool out of herself and embarrassing the family" (something my mother would have said).

Unfortunately a lot of parents of Millennials bought into this too-soft parenting style that did no service to their kids IMHO. They wanted their kids to like them and didn't want to be too harsh so they didn't tell them some of the critical and difficult things they needed to hear. Parents from my parents' generation had no problem being the "heavy". They didn't need their kids to like them, just to respect them and that involves being a totally different kind of parent.

[Tipsymcstagger]

All this talk about how Babs would have loved to be at this wedding seems kind of weird to me. Wasn’t Babs the reason that Glenn essentially abandoned his daughter? In that she was adamant against his even acknowledging that she even existed? Maybe I’m misremembering the story so feel free to correct. But I thought that Angie was essentially a “shame” that our genteel southern belle just couldn’t abide. Not to speak ill of the dead because I liked Babs ok. But this whole new narrative seems a bit off to me.

That said - Whitney looked nice in her size and event appropriate dress. I’m still not a huge fan but I’ll give her props where she deserves them. It was a nice balm from the cringey boudoir photos that “Jessica” insisted on. 😂

[Fostersmom]

52 minutes ago, Tipsymcstagger said:

All this talk about how Babs would have loved to be at this wedding seems kind of weird to me. Wasn’t Babs the reason that Glenn essentially abandoned his daughter? In that she was adamant against his even acknowledging that she even existed? Maybe I’m misremembering the story so feel free to correct. But I thought that Angie was essentially a “shame” that our genteel southern belle just couldn’t abide. Not to speak ill of the dead because I liked Babs ok. But this whole new narrative seems a bit off to me.

That said - Whitney looked nice in her size and event appropriate dress. I’m still not a huge fan but I’ll give her props where she deserves them. It was a nice balm from the cringey boudoir photos that “Jessica” insisted on. 😂

Nope, you're not remembering wrong. They basically said Babs refused to allow Glenn to even acknowledge Angie existed, so he didn't. Babs 100% wouldn't have loved the wedding and probably would have made sure no one ever had anything to do with Angie after she reached out. I honestly don't think Glenn, let alone Whitney and Hunter, would have ever met her in person. 

Whitney did look nice at the wedding. The way she usually dresses drives me nuts. I get she's big. I know big. I used to weigh about 340 pounds, still weigh about 200, but I would NEVER wear most of the stuff she wears. When you're that large, especially as a woman, no matter how well dressed you are, you will always be looked at with all the side eyes. The sloppy, lazy, fat woman. I NEVER wanted to give people any extra room to talk.  Even at my heaviest I was very aware of the size and cut of my clothes, you need to find clothes that flatter your shape, not make it look even larger than it is with unflattering colors, cuts, or patterns. If I could manage to find flattering clothes making comparatively zero money, there's no reason why she can't work with a stylist even just a handful of times to get herself some useful advice, a few pieces to start building around, and stop dressing like she's shopping at the lost and found at the local YMCA. 

 

[princelina]

2 hours ago, Fostersmom said:

Nope, you're not remembering wrong. They basically said Babs refused to allow Glenn to even acknowledge Angie existed, so he didn't. 

When did they say this?

 

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, princelina said:

4 hours ago, Fostersmom said:

Nope, you're not remembering wrong. They basically said Babs refused to allow Glenn to even acknowledge Angie existed, so he didn't. 

When did they say this?

Yes, and who is "they"? I thought that was just a rumor. Did someone mention it in passing on the show and we missed it?

[princelina]

11 hours ago, Yeah No said:

Yes, and who is "they"? I thought that was just a rumor. Did someone mention it in passing on the show and we missed it?

I think it was just supposition on this site 😂

[Fostersmom]

Honestly, I thought Whitney basically told one of the friends, Buddy maybe?   When she was breaking the I have a sister news Glenn and Babs both knew about Angie and Babs wanted no part of it. 

[Yeah No]

On 9/6/2024 at 2:04 PM, Fostersmom said:

Honestly, I thought Whitney basically told one of the friends, Buddy maybe?   When she was breaking the I have a sister news Glenn and Babs both knew about Angie and Babs wanted no part of it. 

That's kind of what I remembered too.

Also Glenn told Angie that he always wished she had a good life. His use of "always" makes me think he knew about it for a long while.

Also, in this Reddit, someone talks about how Jackie (Angie's mom) lived with Glenn's sister when she was pregnant so how could he have not known he had a daughter? The story is supposedly that after Jackie adopted the baby she moved away and that was that for a long time. I believe all that but the question is how convenient it is that Glenn should only just find Angie right after Babs' passing. It feels a little too convenient. I think that's why many people thought he had already connected but kept it off the show because of Babs. And then the theories about that started.

Here's the Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MyBigFatFabulousLife/comments/193xwkb/glen_knew_about_angie_most_of_her_life/

 

[princelina]

If he knew about her for her whole life of course he would think of her and hope hers was good.  But if he had to wait for her to decide to contact him then that's not on Babs.  I do believe that Angie found and contacted him, although of course their "first conversation" I'm sure was reenacted.

[Yeah No]

6 hours ago, princelina said:

If he knew about her for her whole life of course he would think of her and hope hers was good.  But if he had to wait for her to decide to contact him then that's not on Babs.  I do believe that Angie found and contacted him, although of course their "first conversation" I'm sure was reenacted.

It could have been on Babs if she really did "forbid" him from contacting Angie. But because she's no longer around to settle that we'll never know if that's really the case. He didn't have to respect that request but married people often do things for each other to keep the peace. He also may have used the excuse with Angie that Babs didn't want him to contact her to shirk what is ultimately his responsibility for not reaching out himself. 

[SunnyBeBe]

Whatever the full story is about who knew what and when….it seems that all is well with the older daughter due to the generous and thoughtful gestures she and her family have made towards Glenn, Whit, Hunter and the memory of Babs.  

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Whatever the full story is about who knew what and when….it seems that all is well with the older daughter due to the generous and thoughtful gestures she and her family have made towards Glenn, Whit, Hunter and the memory of Babs.  

I think whatever Angie was told or believes she is very forgiving of Glenn because he's her Dad and obviously cares for her and wants to be a part of her life even as belated as it is. I can understand that from her perspective.

[applewood]

21 hours ago, princelina said:

If he knew about her for her whole life of course he would think of her and hope hers was good.  But if he had to wait for her to decide to contact him then that's not on Babs.  I do believe that Angie found and contacted him, although of course their "first conversation" I'm sure was reenacted.

My understanding is that Glenn and Jackie were dating in 1968 when he was stationed in Florida. He was shipped off to Japan and shortly after that Jackie found out she was pregnant. She was only 18 and unmarried so she decided to give the baby up for adoption. She lived with Glenn's sister during the pregnancy so I assume Glenn knew about the pregnancy and adoption. After the adoption I guess she moved away and lost contact with Glenn and his family. She apparently later married and had two more daughters. In those days most adoptions were closed so Glenn had no way of finding her. (I've watched a lot of Long Lost Family). Some states make it very difficult to unseal records, even when the adoptee is an adult. I assume Babs knew about Glenn's other child. I don't know if it was just a rumor or if it was a fact that she didn't want Glenn to contact her. But at that point he didn't know where she was. On the show they also made it sound like Whitney and Hunter just found out about their half sister recently. That seems kind of strange that Glenn would keep that a secret from his adult children for that long, so who knows if that is true.

According to Glenn, in November 2022, right before Babs died his sister was on Ancestory.com (or some similar site) and was contacted by Cody(Angie's son) saying they were related. They then figured out that he was the son of the baby placed for adoption. Yes, it seems a little sketchy that they have this whole new storyline right after Babs dies. Had Glenn and Angie been in contact previously? Who knows?

[SunnyBeBe]

I was anticipating a storyline where Whit was going to help locate Angie’s child that she placed for adoption.  The intro to that story was made last season.  

[princelina]

8 hours ago, applewood said:

According to Glenn, in November 2022, right before Babs died his sister was on Ancestory.com (or some similar site) and was contacted by Cody(Angie's son) saying they were related. They then figured out that he was the son of the baby placed for adoption. Yes, it seems a little sketchy that they have this whole new storyline right after Babs dies. Had Glenn and Angie been in contact previously? Who knows?

If that's the timeline then I bet they did know but didn't do anything with it until after Babs died for show reasons.

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, princelina said:

If that's the timeline then I bet they did know but didn't do anything with it until after Babs died for show reasons.

That squares with what I've been thinking all along. Finding out that Cody reached out to Glenn in November of 2022 is new information for me but it squares with what I've been thinking all along, that they had to have known about this before Babs' death and chose not to put it on the air until after she died.

It's natural to wonder what the "show reasons" could have been for not even mentioning it on the show for a while. I have thought that it could have been because of Babs' illness, out of respect for her. It just wouldn't have felt right to be focusing on this new family while she was living in a facility and going through her medical issues. I imagine that maybe the show or even the family (or Whitney herself) might have made this decision, but it's still possible that Babs herself could have asked them not to put it on the show under the circumstances. Of course after she passed they were free to do what they wanted.

[princelina]

11 hours ago, Yeah No said:

It's natural to wonder what the "show reasons" could have been for not even mentioning it on the show for a while. I have thought that it could have been because of Babs' illness, out of respect for her. It just wouldn't have felt right to be focusing on this new family while she was living in a facility and going through her medical issues. I imagine that maybe the show or even the family (or Whitney herself) might have made this decision, but it's still possible that Babs herself could have asked them not to put it on the show under the circumstances. Of course after she passed they were free to do what they wanted.

Yeah that's what I was thinking, plus endless zoom calls aren't that interesting, and the family wasn't going to leave Babs behind in a nursing home to go visiting new family in another state without her!

[applewood]

On 9/11/2024 at 1:44 AM, Yeah No said:

That squares with what I've been thinking all along. Finding out that Cody reached out to Glenn in November of 2022 is new information for me but it squares with what I've been thinking all along, that they had to have known about this before Babs' death and chose not to put it on the air until after she died.

It's natural to wonder what the "show reasons" could have been for not even mentioning it on the show for a while. I have thought that it could have been because of Babs' illness, out of respect for her. It just wouldn't have felt right to be focusing on this new family while she was living in a facility and going through her medical issues. I imagine that maybe the show or even the family (or Whitney herself) might have made this decision, but it's still possible that Babs herself could have asked them not to put it on the show under the circumstances. Of course after she passed they were free to do what they wanted.

I re watched the funeral episode (man,that was sad) and the episode after that to get all the facts straight. Whitney said her mom had her first stroke in 2017 and then another December 2021 and the third on November 13, 2022. It sounded like Babs was pretty incapacitated after the last stroke and was not even speaking so I don't think she was expressing what should go on the show. They said she was on a ventilator. Then, of course, she died December 7, 2022.

The family is saying sometime in November of that year Cody contacted Glenn's sister through Ancestory, saying they were related. I assume Glenn's sister either talked to him on the phone or emailed him and said that this is a really bad time for the family as Babs was near death. Glenn claims they he contacted Angie sometime after Bab's death. I don't know if the first time was truly the zoom call they showed on air or if they had spoken before.

I don't know if Glenn ever tried to find Angie in earlier years. He may have just not known how to go about it since it was a closed adoption and he had very little information.