S18.E01: Exes and OCs

[bravofan27]

I don't think Tamra is pushing her kids to be realty stars. Maybe at one time Vicki wanted Brianna to be a housewife, but she's pretty basic and simple, and that wouldn't work. The people that leave to keep their kids lives private is understandable. 

I do wonder if Heather is going to use this season as a way to get attention on how cool a mom she is and get her kids likes and a fan base on social media, like Jojo Siwa.

My personal opinion is being queer is cool right now, and kids just go with it to receive the same attention. IMO there is no way to know your sexuality as a kid. I'm 50 and still figuring it out~ 

Heather is not so cool. If she was smart she would keep her kids business private. IMO. 

[ZettaK]

1 hour ago, bravofan27 said:

I don't think Tamra is pushing her kids to be realty stars. Maybe at one time Vicki wanted Brianna to be a housewife, but she's pretty basic and simple, and that wouldn't work. The people that leave to keep their kids lives private is understandable. 

I do wonder if Heather is going to use this season as a way to get attention on how cool a mom she is and get her kids likes and a fan base on social media, like Jojo Siwa.

My personal opinion is being queer is cool right now, and kids just go with it to receive the same attention. IMO there is no way to know your sexuality as a kid. I'm 50 and still figuring it out~ 

Heather is not so cool. If she was smart she would keep her kids business private. IMO. 

No, I don't think that Tamra pushed her kids to become reality stars, or influencers. Spencer graduated from UCLA with a psychology degree and he is working, but not near where Tamra lives. Sophia will go to colllege, and she is not interested in being on tv judging by the way she acted on this episode. But Sidney who grew up with Simon studied cinematography and film production at DePaul University and works as a production coordinator in Los Angeles. 

All three children have names which start with an S, the initial of Simon's name. Sidney, Spencer, Sophia. 

[Palimelon]

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My personal opinion is being queer is cool right now, and kids just go with it to receive the same attention. IMO there is no way to know your sexuality as a kid.

Some kids do, some kids don't. And considering there is still tons of hatred, vitriol, and hatred that people receive for being gay, especially more in certain parts of the US and the rest of the world, I doubt people in those areas are doing it to be "cool".

[Keywestclubkid]

8 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

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My personal opinion is being queer is cool right now, and kids just go with it to receive the same attention. IMO there is no way to know your sexuality as a kid. I'm 50 and still figuring it out~ 

 

counter point on this has a gay child I knew from a very very very early age that I was different ... 

there is nothing cool about being hated by people for no other reason then you like a boy or girl when you are the same sex ... the bullying that still goes on the threats on your life from complete strangers ... its not a IN thing that kids "pretend" to be for most of us I am not saying it doesnt happen but NO its not a "trend" to follow.. I mean just look at the twitch stream gamer that was super popular who got found out he was gay and attacked online with just str8 up hate .. its very real and sometimes very scary 

Edited July 18 by Keywestclubkid

[Baltimore Betty]

11 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

My personal opinion is being queer is cool right now, and kids just go with it to receive the same attention. IMO there is no way to know your sexuality as a kid. I'm 50 and still figuring it out~ 

I agree with your statement wholeheartedly, when you are 10, 12 or 16 years old everything is new and no way you can figure out the complexities of sexuality so quickly, Heather heard the inkling of her children's questioning about their paths and she ran with it, fast...let them figure it out off camera to make sure they know what they are feeling and if they then want to be on camera to talk about it, great do that. 

 

2 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

the bullying that still goes on the threats on your life from complete strangers

Exactly, why invite all that negativity in to your kids life, Heather was banking on having it as a story line no matter what strangers would say on SM, it's very scary to think about your child being so vulnerable. 

But on the other side of that coin, her kids are happy and well adjusted and the fact that Heather and Terry are incredibly supportive is a wonderful thing, 

My biggest wish is that Heather eats a sandwich, she is way too thin.

[EtheltoTillie]

11 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

She bossed around David the entire time they were together. I don't know if she really likes men. LOL. 

FWIW, David was one of the most unlikable and unattractive people I've ever see on my teevee.  I hated him from the getgo, especially his high voice, and he was very controlling.  I don't see it as her bossing him around per se--it felt more like both of them bickering constantly because they couldn't stand each other.  It must have been like that from the outset. 

Edited July 18 by EtheltoTillie

[Palimelon]

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when you are 10, 12 or 16 years old everything is new and no way you can figure out the complexities of sexuality so quickly

I guess some of us figure it out before others do.

[Keywestclubkid]

23 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

I guess some of us figure it out before others do.

this part ... I didnt know what it was called but i knew i wasn't like the other boys ... its not about the sex part but about just knowing something isnt the same as the others.. then you hit school ( or sometimes a family member will mention it in passing and you hear) and are called a "[homophobic epithet]' and it clicks ... no kid WANTS to be different .. we all want to fit in and thinking making a choice where someone will beat you or kill you or a bunch of other sick stuff is on a kids mind is just preposterous and why most hide it until they can come to terms with what it means themselves... you know what you are .. you might not admit it but you know

 

my question to people who think its a choice is this .. when did you make the conscious decision to be str8? i mean if its a choice you must remember that MOMENT when you made that decision for yourself ... its not cause you don't 

Edited July 18 by Keywestclubkid

[RealHousewife]

3 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

this part ... I didnt know what it was called but i knew i wasn't like the other boys ... its not about the sex part but about just knowing something isnt the same as the others.. then you hit school ( or sometimes a family member will mention it in passing and you hear) and are called a "[homophobic epithet]' and it clicks ... no kid WANTS to be different .. we all want to fit in and thinking making a choice where someone will beat you or kill you or a bunch of other sick stuff is on a kids mind is just preposterous and why most hide it until they can come to terms with what it means themselves... you know what you are .. you might not admit it but you know

 

my question to people who think its a choice is this .. when did you make the conscious decision to be str8? i mean if its a choice you must remember that MOMENT when you made that decision for yourself ... its not cause you don't 

Exactly! I’m straight and don’t understand the argument of it being a decision. So these folks think most people can look at a man or a woman and just decide which one they’re attracted to? Maybe the people who think this are telling on themselves as bisexual? I think women are so beautiful, but can’t imagine being with one. 

I do think there are some people who like the idea of being different, but I can’t imagine too many making up being part of a community that still receives so much hatred. We have come a long way, but it’s hardly a world where all families and cultures are totally accepting of LGBT. 

[Natalie68]

4 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

this part ... I didnt know what it was called but i knew i wasn't like the other boys ... its not about the sex part but about just knowing something isnt the same as the others.. then you hit school ( or sometimes a family member will mention it in passing and you hear) and are called a "[homophobic epithet]' and it clicks ... no kid WANTS to be different .. we all want to fit in and thinking making a choice where someone will beat you or kill you or a bunch of other sick stuff is on a kids mind is just preposterous and why most hide it until they can come to terms with what it means themselves... you know what you are .. you might not admit it but you know

 

my question to people who think its a choice is this .. when did you make the conscious decision to be str8? i mean if its a choice you must remember that MOMENT when you made that decision for yourself ... its not cause you don't 

Part of what I like about Heather is her quick acceptance of her kids.  I think it is really disrespectful to question whether or not these kids know themselves.  

[RoseAllDay]

On 7/16/2024 at 9:43 AM, snarts said:

Can't believe I'm about to defend Simon Barney but here goes...

If I were going through a contentious divorce with minor children and my soon-to-be ex was filming a TV show, I wouldn't want the kids on it. Divorce is hard enough let alone having a camera in their faces and having those scenes air publicly.

Often, we criticize people for exploiting their kids for fame. Here's a situation where he protected them. Heck, maybe he asked and they didn't want to be on show?

it was 2010, the kids were so young (Sidney 10, Spencer 9, Sophia 5) so I just can't criticize him for shielding them from the public eye. It's not like he could count on their mom to do that...

I agree, even if his motive was to get back at Tamra in some way. (Not saying it was, but they were pretty contentious.) Kids don’t need to be a part of whatever their fucked up parents do on TV. The Beador kids were in elementary/junior high school (approximately) when Shannon was at her most unhinged. The preteen/early teen years are hard enough without that.

Rand of VR is seems to be pretty much of the same mindset, and probably Garcelle of BH is wishing she had not exposed Jax to it, either.

[RoseAllDay]

2 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Part of what I like about Heather is her quick acceptance of her kids.  I think it is really disrespectful to question whether or not these kids know themselves.  

As the mom of two gay sons I will say that is one thing that I do respect about her. And yes, people do question it, saying it’s a phase, or peer pressure. Makes my blood boil. I think I always knew my two were gay, and it never made one damn bit of difference to me. 

EDIT: Alexis also has a trans child. Not a fan of her either, but I respect her for being open and accepting. Can’t stress how important that is.

Edited July 18 by RoseAllDay

[RealHousewife]

10 minutes ago, RoseAllDay said:

As the mom of two gay sons I will say that is one thing that I do respect about her. And yes, people do question it, saying it’s a phase, or peer pressure. Makes my blood boil. I think I always knew my two were gay, and it never made one damn bit of difference to me. 

EDIT: Alexis also has a trans child. Not a fan of her either, but I respect her for being open and accepting. Can’t stress how important that is.

Yes, for any flaws, I love that the majority of the Housewives and other Bravo personalities are very accepting of everyone, even ole Jesus Jugs.

[Palimelon]

If I were ever to become a drag queen, Jesus Jugs would be my stage name.

[Baltimore Betty]

1 minute ago, RoseAllDay said:

As the mom of two gay sons I will say that is one thing that I do respect about her. And yes, people do question it, saying it’s a phase, or peer pressure. Makes my blood boil. I think I always knew my two were gay, and it never made one damn bit of difference to me. 

Say what you want about Fancy Pants and her luggage rooms, porte cocheres and champagne buttons, etc...she and Terry just want happy kids, no matter how they live their lives, they are there for them.  

All this Heather and Terry love is so foreign to me, lol.

 

 

 

[RealHousewife]

1 minute ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Say what you want about Fancy Pants and her luggage rooms, porte cocheres and champagne buttons, etc...she and Terry just want happy kids, no matter how they live their lives, they are there for them.  

All this Heather and Terry love is so foreign to me, lol.

 

 

 

Lol maybe I’m forgetting stuff, but I think for the most part, their worst flaw is being pretentious. Heather has never been malicious, and to my knowledge, unlike a lot of the husbands on Bravo, Terry isn’t known to be abusive, a cheater, grifter, etc. I love that he has an age appropriate wife, and I don’t think he makes comments about other women either. Very refreshing compared to the likes of Tom Girardi, Brooks, Paul Kemsley, Apollo, David Foster, and so on. 

[Palimelon]

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Heather has never been malicious

Well, she has been, to Alexis and Shannon.

[RoseAllDay]

1 minute ago, Palimelon said:

Well, she has been, to Alexis and Shannon.

She’s good as gaslighting. That’s how she can deny her behavior. Acting, amirite? Only it didn’t work so well for her last season.

But her kids still look pretty well adjusted. 

[bravofan27]

From working in this space for a while (LGBTQ+ equity), I do think gender and sexual identity is a bit different than it was before for the next generations. It is much more talked about, and kids are more exposed and informed about sexuality and gender expression. It is becoming more common for kids to think through their pronouns and consider what identity means in this way and there is more support for kids that don't identify in the traditional ways we think of as man and woman, gay or straight. When I was growing up, it was discussed as something you knew, didn't think about, but something inside you that just was. But kids are being taught how to think through how social and cultural norms may be shaping how they present themselves, and questioning it. It's a good thing. Yes, there is stigma and violence against kids that go against the norms, but there are more conversations about it now.

My 12-year old niece, when I asked her she had a crush on a boy, she said, "I don't know, they haven't decided on their pronouns." So she likes someone, just not sure if "boy" is the right classification. 

Just my observations and thoughts of how the culture is now. 

[JAYJAY1979]

On 7/17/2024 at 11:24 AM, Natalie68 said:

I HATE kids on the show.  The theme of the show is too adult, the adults act like fools, let's give the kids a normal childhood.

The earlier seasons were just as much about the kids as the housewives and it was more interesting and balanced to me.  Most of them were close to 18 or over 18 so I think that helped.

[ZettaK]

2 hours ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

The earlier seasons were just as much about the kids as the housewives and it was more interesting and balanced to me.  Most of them were close to 18 or over 18 so I think that helped.

Yes, the early seasons featured the "kids" (from tweens to late teens) almost as much as the adults. 

[SnarkAttack]

Who got an eviction notice?  (We cancelled Sling and don't have Peacock, so I can't watch the show anymore).

[65mickey]

Jenn got evicted for not paying her rent

[qtpye]

On 7/16/2024 at 9:11 AM, Keywestclubkid said:

ok i know its fun to snark on how out of touch Heather and Terry are but lets be honest here IF we had that money we would be doing the same thing ... it sounds ridiculous and to us it is but these are the stupid things they think about because other out of touch rich people think about this stuff and if the house doesn't have this crap they wont buy when Heather and Terry sell this when its done ...

and wasn't this the whole premise  of the show .. how those behind the gates live with their wealth? this is just an extreme version of that .. shes doing what we wanted those housewives to do .. spend ridiculous amounts of money on crap we will never get to.. she is the embodiment of what the housewives should have and what they were supposed to be vapid women with lots of money spending like no tomorrow and living that fab life.. you cant fault her for that

 

id rather watch this then a manufactured fight for the 100000th time about stupid shit

We all love wealth porn but the problem is Heather is about as interesting as mildew.  She and Terry are so pathetic with the "look how rich we are" that it comes off a little desperate and sad.

[Keywestclubkid]

1 hour ago, qtpye said:

We all love wealth porn but the problem is Heather is about as interesting as mildew.  She and Terry are so pathetic with the "look how rich we are" that it comes off a little desperate and sad.

I literally can’t disagree with this at all .. lol 

 

[Keywestclubkid]

On 7/18/2024 at 10:04 PM, JAYJAY1979 said:

The earlier seasons were just as much about the kids as the housewives and it was more interesting and balanced to me.  Most of them were close to 18 or over 18 so I think that helped.

And all of them but like 2 were messes .. 

On 7/18/2024 at 10:04 PM, JAYJAY1979 said:

The earlier seasons were just as much about the kids as the housewives and it was more interesting and balanced to me.  Most of them were close to 18 or over 18 so I think that helped.

And all of them but like 2 were messes .. I think that’s why the show shifted away from them it was uncomfortable to watch .. especially with us screaming at the tv to parent your children and seeing them just slipping into more horrible behavior that’s not fun when you arnt a middle aged housewife who wanted this attention 

[bosawks]

21 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

And all of them but like 2 were messes .. 

And all of them but like 2 were messes .. I think that’s why the show shifted away from them it was uncomfortable to watch .. especially with us screaming at the tv to parent your children and seeing them just slipping into more horrible behavior that’s not fun when you arnt a middle aged housewife who wanted this attention 

I agree, that OC Angels era was rough.

[Keywestclubkid]

13 minutes ago, bosawks said:

I agree, that OC Angels era was rough.

Oc angels Lori's kids I mean even Jenna's kids but that one were a freaking angry mess.... then Tamra and her creepy son trying to get Gretchen alone in the bathroom drunk  .. just cringe remembering it all ... 

Edited July 23 by Keywestclubkid

[FozzyBear]

I was on Alexis’s side going into the season because I think Shannon is a narcissistic nut case who makes everything about her and it’s none of her business really if Alexis and John are dating or what they post on social media or what timeline they’re on. HOWEVER! Wow Alexis is being an asshole. This whole season feels designed to take Shannon down several pegs. In theory I’m totally on board but I don’t think I’m going to like watching it. 

[Natalie68]

On 7/24/2024 at 12:11 PM, FozzyBear said:

I was on Alexis’s side going into the season because I think Shannon is a narcissistic nut case who makes everything about her and it’s none of her business really if Alexis and John are dating or what they post on social media or what timeline they’re on. HOWEVER! Wow Alexis is being an asshole. This whole season feels designed to take Shannon down several pegs. In theory I’m totally on board but I don’t think I’m going to like watching it. 

And this is over JOHN.  Seriously, ladies, he isn't a prize.  If this was over Shemar Moore?  I could understand, but this dude?

[Palimelon]

Maybe the real John is Martin Lawrence in the streets, Shemar Moore in the sheets?

[RealHousewife]

20 hours ago, Palimelon said:

Maybe the real John is Martin Lawrence in the streets, Shemar Moore in the sheets?

Four times a day, supposedly.