S14.E04: A League of Their Own Worst Enemy

[mostlylurking]

18 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

Italians on the other hand traditionally love their adult kids living with them, and they sometimes do so until they get married.

Very true.  I’m European (living in the US) and I’ve never really understood the rush for Americans to push their children out of the house.  My kid is free to live with me as long as they want, provided they have a job, or are going to school.  I wouldn’t just let them sit around mooching off me, but if they are doing something with their lives why the rush to move out at 18 when let’s be honest most kids (technically adults I know) are NOT ready.  A lot of them end up wasting their parent’s money anyway when they change majors, do badly in school the first year because they are a little cray cray with freedom, etc.

 

 

 

[mostlylurking]

21 hours ago, ichbin said:

Making a story line out of Jackie forgetting the anniversary of Jan's death? Is this the best Margaret could come up with? As I recall, this is the guy she was cheating on with her current husband...in the home she shared with the ex-husband while the current husband was there to do work. Absolutely ridiculous!  

This makes no sense whatsoever!  Of course we never got to hear Jan’s side, but I wonder if he felt the same about his relationship with Marge post-divorce.  It seems to me that Marge got the best of both worlds, she screwed Joe B to get out of her marriage to Jan, but still got to be besties with him and use him for emotional support.  But what if anything did Jan get out of it?  I’m tired of this being her storyline.  That poor guy is being used even in death. 

[Yours Truly]

15 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

This makes no sense whatsoever!  Of course we never got to hear Jan’s side, but I wonder if he felt the same about his relationship with Marge post-divorce.  It seems to me that Marge got the best of both worlds, she screwed Joe B to get out of her marriage to Jan, but still got to be besties with him and use him for emotional support.  But what if anything did Jan get out of it?  I’m tired of this being her storyline.  That poor guy is being used even in death. 

Everything about Marge SINCE DAY ONE has been so distasteful. The way she shared info about her affair and how pleased she seemed with herself. I've never understood how that isn't something that would heavily damage her likeability. I get other cast mates being so bad that more energy is spent disliking them but I can't understand how that also translates into totally missing how terrible of a person Marge is.

People make selfish decisions. Its a part of life but when it reaches this level of selfish and disregard the least the offender can do is be contrite and avoid minimizing their role in the ordeal. I don't believe in people punishing themselves forever but I do expect some sort of respect and discretion being given considering the severity of damage and hurt that was caused. 

Her whole situation disgusts me and as unlikeable as Jenn Aydin can be I was ALWAYS on her side when it came to people trying to come for her based on her husbands affair as if her personal experience doesn't explain ALL the reasons why Jenn would definitely respond to Marge negatively. Here you see a mistress and a cheater completely pleased with herself for getting that woman's husband (Joe) right under her own husbands nose (Jan). That is such an ugly look and yet it was Jenn Aydin that was supposedly wrong during that whole storyline/conflict between Marge and Jenn.

YUCK!  

 

Edited May 28 by Yours Truly

[TEENYTERRORS]

33 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Everything about Marge SINCE DAY ONE has been so distasteful. The way she shared info about her affair and how pleased she seemed with herself. I've never understood how that isn't something that would heavily damage her likeability. I get other cast mates being so bad that more energy is spent disliking them but I can't understand how that also translates into totally missing how terrible of a person Marge is.

People make selfish decisions. Its a part of life but when it reaches this level of selfish and disregard the least the offender can do is be contrite and avoid minimizing their role in the ordeal. I don't believe in people punishing themselves forever but I do expect some sort of respect and discretion being given considering the severity of damage and hurt that was caused. 

Her whole situation disgusts me and as unlikeable as Jenn Aydin can be I was ALWAYS on her side when it came to people trying to come for her based on her husbands affair as if her personal experience doesn't explain ALL the reasons why Jenn would definitely respond to Marge negatively. Here you see a mistress and a cheater completely pleased with herself for getting that woman's husband (Joe) right under her own husbands nose (Jan). That is such an ugly look and yet it was Jenn Aydin that was supposedly wrong during that whole storyline/conflict between Marge and Jenn.

YUCK!  

 

I'm glad that I'm not the only one that sees it. Marge always seemed so proud of what she's done, to then turn around and belittle Jen for being a SAHM, for staying with Bill, for her brother having an arranged marriage....there's a lot of stuff that shows her true colors but she always gets a pass. 

[Chatty Cake]

13 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

Everything about Marge SINCE DAY ONE has been so distasteful. The way she shared info about her affair and how pleased she seemed with herself. I've never understood how that isn't something that would heavily damage her likeability. I get other cast mates being so bad that more energy is spent disliking them but I can't understand how that also translates into totally missing how terrible of a person Marge is.

People make selfish decisions. Its a part of life but when it reaches this level of selfish and disregard the least the offender can do is be contrite and avoid minimizing their role in the ordeal. I don't believe in people punishing themselves forever but I do expect some sort of respect and discretion being given considering the severity of damage and hurt that was caused. 

Her whole situation disgusts me and as unlikeable as Jenn Aydin can be I was ALWAYS on her side when it came to people trying to come for her based on her husbands affair as if her personal experience doesn't explain ALL the reasons why Jenn would definitely respond to Marge negatively. Here you see a mistress and a cheater completely pleased with herself for getting that woman's husband (Joe) right under her own husbands nose (Jan). That is such an ugly look and yet it was Jenn Aydin that was supposedly wrong during that whole storyline/conflict between Marge and Jenn.

YUCK!  

 

Marge has been gross since she started on the show.  I remember her bragging that Joe would stink after leaving her and Jan’s home because they had just had sex. His wife probably thought he was showering off a day of construction work.  I don’t know if I believe her and Jan were close after what she did not only to him but his children. I think she made a lot of that up as well as having a nice relationship with his kids and her own son. I don’t think any of them have much to do with her.   I also believe she is so mad at Louie because her son was pissed about someone from the show bothering him and he is embarrassed by his awful mom. 

I remember the woman being delighted to out Bill Aydins affair despite the fact that he has a real family at home. She is disgusting, 

Edited May 29 by Chatty Cake

[Salacious Kitty]

24 minutes ago, TEENYTERRORS said:

I'm glad that I'm not the only one that sees it. Marge always seemed so proud of what she's done, to then turn around and belittle Jen for being a SAHM, for staying with Bill, for her brother having an arranged marriage....there's a lot of stuff that shows her true colors but she always gets a pass. 

I don't think she gets a pass at all. Everyone hates her, from cast to viewers. I think even Melissa has distanced herself. Her only ally left is Fuda. And they deserve each other. 

[RealHousewife]

24 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I don't think she gets a pass at all. Everyone hates her, from cast to viewers. I think even Melissa has distanced herself. Her only ally left is Fuda. And they deserve each other. 

She is not necessarily my style, but I don’t hate Marge. Jen Ayden, Danielle S, and Teresa have all been horrible to her. She is usually provoked before she says or does anything toward the others. 

I’m not saying Marge putting Bill’s affair on blast was the right thing to do, but Jennifer constantly slut shamed her, even for sleeping with her boss as a young woman who felt pushed into it. Bill on the other hand was the best husband ever, so hypocritical. Oh and then she proceeded to try to get a Melissa is a cheater storyline going. Jennifer is a hypocrite, can dish it out and can’t take it. 

[snarts]

 I missed this when watching. Look at Marge signaling/directing Danielle to go after/question Jackie.

Yet she dares call Jackie "judas" for distancing herself? 

 

[mostlylurking]

1 hour ago, Chatty Cake said:

I don’t know if I believe her and Jan were close after what she did not only to him but his children. I think she made a lot of that up as well as having a nice relationship with his kids and her own son.

I tend to believe this as well. I always thought it was hella weird that Jan supposedly had this great relationship with Marge but his children and her own son didn’t speak to her. If the relationship was so good and Jan had forgiven her, you would think he would have encouraged his children to do the same. And yes, I always thought to was awful how she laughed about the fact the she and Joe were screwing and he had to wash her stench off him. How disgusting. Everything she did to Jenn was really bad as well. I still think she’s super jealous of the life Jennifer has and that she has been able to make her marriage work, and yes it is work.

 

[Yours Truly]

16 hours ago, TEENYTERRORS said:

I'm glad that I'm not the only one that sees it. Marge always seemed so proud of what she's done, to then turn around and belittle Jen for being a SAHM, for staying with Bill, for her brother having an arranged marriage....there's a lot of stuff that shows her true colors but she always gets a pass. 

OMG she's been OBVIOIUSLY ugly since day one. And I know people don't like Danielle but Marge taking aim a Danielle the way she did also left a really bad taste in my mouth. Just because Danielle was, to most, a good target to take aim at it was the way Marge went about it. The invasiveness, intrusive determination towards someone else's life was scary. Again, I get that Danielle was this "bad person" so Marge's introduction was well received because she was aiming that nasty, evil soul towards "the villian" of the franchise but I never saw it that way. 

There are ways to "get back" and "throw shade" without trying to completely destroy someone's life outside of the show. I think the whole, going overboard, and taking aim to truly disrupt lives outside of the show started with Jersey. But I could be wrong. I don't mind, shade and petty feuds but the need to completely try and destroy someone beyond filming is where it's always soured for me. Marge really aimed at creating true issues for Danielle beside cat fighting and name calling within the show and I think it's how strongly Marge presented her dismay that caught my attention.

Like sweetheart, you are WAAAAYYYY TOO BOTHERED about someone else's existence. I get not liking someone but when it gets the point that you allow yourself to believe that it makes you some sort of Judge, Jury and Executioner cause YOU don't like her is what makes Marge an unhinged person. 

Not liking someone is one thing, taking aim is another. I could not stand Teresa and I stopped watching Jersey 2 or 3 seasons in and picked up again her and there. Teresa only got worse but then over the last few seasons I've warmed back up to Teresa, not completely but at the end of the day, these last few seasons all Teresa has done has been Housewife level shade (the type of discord I can handle) but the feral way the rest of the cast tends to jump on board and try to really do damage has become rather comical and ridiculous. Too the point that amazingly, I find myself siding with Teresa a lot. Something that I NEVER thought I would do but come on it's just been reduced to such childish nothing burgers over the last few years and all it boils down to is that these bitches don't like each other. It's kinda fun for the shows sake but the day of the pearl clutching, scandalous revelations is over. 

How is anything going to trump Teresa and Joe going to jail, Joe being deported like I mean the whole show has been reduced to a bunch a women who don't like each other trying to drum up drama and have cat fights at different events. Honestly, I rather that sort of drama but since the franchise has upped the ante and now we need illegal activity and private investigators and drug accusations in order to move the needle forward everyone is going above and beyond to be dripping with theatrics and fake outrage over non starters. I mean before they used to beat a dead horse for a storyline now all they do is try and create a non existing horse to kill, then beat. Chasing shadows that don't exist then harping on it as if the shadow has be proven real. Completely moronic.  

[Hedgehog2022]

On 5/26/2024 at 9:35 PM, kristen111 said:

I’m confused.  So does Jen Fessler love everyone on both sides?  I can’t keep track.  She gets up from the table and tells Rachel how much she loves her.  Do they know each other a long time, or just recently?  Jen does not look the type to hang with the Fudas.  Is Teresa’s daughter the new housewife?  Theres so much hate here, I don’t know who hates who anymore.  I cannot stand Marge.  What a Yenta.  She lives to stir the pot.

This whole show seems like middle school drama. 

[mostlylurking]

On the topic of Danielle, on the one hand I totally disagree with the way she’s handling her father.  From what we’ve seen, her dad is in a terrible situation, he’s trying to keep the peace between two children and of course he’s not going to choose sides.  I can’t see any parent choosing between their children unless it’s something extremely egregious.  That does not seem to be the case.  It’s sad that she’s wanting him to choose sides, but again we don’t know the whole situation.

Now regarding the hairdresser, why should she get to sit VIP?  Because she did Danielle’s hair once?  She didn’t even totally do it, she said she “touched it up”.  Ok, she opened her salon for Danielle but I’m guessing she got paid for her time and if she didn’t well that’s on her.  Pretty presumptuous of her to think that merits sitting in the VIP section without paying anything.

 

 

[mostlylurking]

On 5/27/2024 at 7:03 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

The dogs at Delore's house have the cutest names. Her doggy had the perfect costume for her pup of the day.

That’s just a TON of dogs though.  All I could think was that house must smell to high heaven if like most of these housewives they never trained the dogs.  I will never understand having all this money and not hiring someone to train your damn dogs from shitting and peeing all over the place.  Gross.  At least Jenifer has a dog trainer. Delo’s daughter is a vet so hopefully her dogs are being taken care of because that’s a lot of animals.  I love that Bisquit got her own name tag, ha!

[ww92]

5 hours ago, mostlylurking said:

That’s just a TON of dogs though.  All I could think was that house must smell to high heaven if like most of these housewives they never trained the dogs.  I will never understand having all this money and not hiring someone to train your damn dogs from shitting and peeing all over the place.  Gross.  At least Jenifer has a dog trainer. Delo’s daughter is a vet so hopefully her dogs are being taken care of because that’s a lot of animals.  I love that Bisquit got her own name tag, ha!

I think part of the problem with the Housewife dogs (HoDogs?) is that these people live in ginormous houses. When our dog has to go out she'll sit by the door. If no one notices she'll start whacking the door with her paw. But when you live in a 10,000 sq. ft. house who is going to notice the poor dog sitting at the door squeezing it's butt cheeks together to let it out?

I flip flop on Margaret. Sometimes I don't mind her, sometimes I can't stand her. I do think she's nosey and a gossip and does have dirt on people and she's not above using it when someone has dissed her or pissed her off. I wouldn't tell her anything I didn't want the whole world knowing.

The Fuda's still don't bother me too much. I wish they'd just own John's past and talk about how he made bad decisions when he was young but then his son was born and he realized he needed to get his shit together and he did. His son's mother didn't so he raised him and met a woman who loved his son like her own and helped to raise him. I mean, is Teresa really the best person to be shaming someone for having a prison record???

It was nice that Melissa told Joey to say hello to his aunt and Joey did. That was more than Teresa said to Gia. Teresa looked like she couldn't stand even saying hello to him but realized the cameras were there so she had to.

I can't stand Gia. Her voice and way of speaking grates on my nerves. She, like her mother, is not interested in hearing or attempting to understand other's point of views. I really can't see her as an attorney in a courtroom. Can you imagine her speaking to a judge?

And do all of the dentists in New Jersey buy their veneers from Shein? My God, they are all blindingly white and about 12 sizes too large for the average mouth. All of those women look like they have enormous overbites that the lip fillers can't even compensate for.

Edited May 30 by ww92

[politichick]

I'm going to be very superficial here.

Some of these women are going to seriously regret all of that deep tanning. When they are 60 and 70 they will be covered in wrinkles.

Teresa has totally ruined her face with all of the surgeries and what's with the lip licking/mouth open all the time?

Where the fuck did Teresa's daughter put all of her stuff? From the sound of it, she's in the dorm. Does she have a storage unit in Michigan?

Antonia and her roommate did a cute job setting up their room.

The Ayden girl needs to lose weight because she is not a healthy size. Also, her dog had the least interesting costume. Her mother needs to teach her about fairness and they're lucky the other kids weren't brats about it.

That hairdresser couldn't come anywhere near my head with those knives for nails.

Why won't that lady get Bill or someone to fix her fucked up nose? Does she actually think it looks nice or even normal? It looks more like a snout!

Rant over.

[JustbeingReal]

I wasn't that surprised that the other ladies didn't laugh at Teresa's joke about Margaret. Teresa has been checked before for "disrespecting" Margaret seasons ago. Melissa and Margaret's husband got an apology out of T seasons ago for even going anywhere near Jackie or Marge. The other ladies were probably afraid to laugh because they know Margaret is very protected in this group smh. Even though it really is Teresa's show. Gia just seems really young is all imo. I think they had Brianna from Rhoc at a housewives lunch years ago. So it happens. Melissa seemed kind of pushy with Jenn for a meet up. Jenn looked uncomfortable to me in that scene.

[kassa]

On 5/27/2024 at 8:03 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

Joe says because his family is Italian they hate when their kids leave the nest as if no other culture does, I supremely hate when someone does this, Italians are not the only group that feels that way. 

I'm in Massachusetts, and the Jersey Italian Americans featured on this show have a lot in common with Boston area Italian Americans in terms of family dynamics.  While most people hate their kids leaving the nest, there definitely is a trend in Italian American families here for adult children to remain in their parents' home until they're married.  You don't get the same percentage of 25-30 year old Irish guys living at home. It's definitely a thing to skip moving out on your own or with a roommate.

I'm sure there are other ethnicities who do the same, but against the other major predominant ethnicities in their area, it's a behavior that is way more common in their group. 

12 hours ago, politichick said:

Teresa has totally ruined her face with all of the surgeries and what's with the lip licking/mouth open all the time?

Filler messes up your lips, whether because it literally botches the wet/dry transition, or it feels so foreign to begin with they lick them and then get stuck in a pattern of HAVING to lick them because they've chapped them.   

[renatae]

Hahaha haha. Margaret doesn't hold with people who threaten other people! AND she's mad at Jackie, claiming she's too self-centered.

Says the person who is "mourning " Jan, the person she cheated on and divorced 10 years ago. Who has been dead for 3 years. Now, she didn't say anything to the housewives, because "people who care about me" check up on her multiple times a week to make sure she's not having a meltdown about one thing or another. And people who don't, well, they disgust her and she can't believe their behavior! But, she's not self-centered,  ohhhh no!

What a witch. See you next Tuesday.

 

 

 

 

[kristen111]

On 5/27/2024 at 8:33 PM, Baltimore Betty said:

The hours suck but the pay is great!

They way you phrased your sentence made me laugh, my Aunt Estelle would use the words "Some nice," all the time we just called her Aunt Some Nice. Memories, like the corners of my mind.....I digress.

Jenn knows what side of her bread is buttered but there is no pride in her loaf of bread, Bill will do what Bill is going to do and Bill is glad his wife is otherwise occupied.

Precocious or cutsie is not a good look on her.  Every time I see her on my screen I silently beg Jenn to do something with Olivia's hair, it's a mop.

Marge and Rachel with the Disney nose have really come up short trying to have a beef with Fessler and Jackie.  Fessler and Jackie being chummy with Teresa is nothing to get upset about, I am sure they will fall out of favor soon enough and it is clear Marge and Rachel have never heard of keeping your friends close but your enemies closer.  

In parallel with Danielle not speaking to her father because she didn't like how he handled the situation with her brother...Danielle is daft not to know how it can tear a parent apart to have to choose between their children.

 

Never mind Olivia’s hair.  At that age, my niece was chubby.  She was about to go into Middle School and decided to eat healthy.  By September, she lost all her baby weight and was ready for school with a new wardrobe.  Unless Olivia has a health problem, time to cut way back and eat healthy.