S02.E11: The Last Supper Part Two: Entree [Season Finale]

[ChattyCathyLA]

Maybe I missed it, but has no one else noticed that in the first season of this show, Steve was portrayed as somewhat elderly and hard of hearing “and just like that” this season he can hear fine, was shown looking buff and working a punching bag, and is opening a new business?  I would rather follow his life after Miranda than keep seeing new ancillary characters from the podcast.  The podcast wasn’t a big deal and it’s OVER!  Time to move on.  And … I agree with everyone else here … Che can GO!  

I still don’t understand why Miranda had to become gay just because the actress did.  What happened?  She’s gay now and can’t play straight characters anymore?  Isn’t she supposed to be an actress?   Wasn’t the “gay” question addressed in the first season?  If she had gay leanings, I would think she would have explored them back then, but she was HEAVILY hetero.  If she wanted to explore being gay or bi, she would have done it then, when she was 35, IMO.  She was under no societal pressure to be straight, as people were back in the 1950s and 60s, so I just don’t get it.  More believable would have been Samantha becoming gay because at least she had explored it before in the series.

[T Summer]

On 8/31/2023 at 8:55 PM, CeeBeeGee said:

Fully agree. I love both Samantha and Carrie and I want them both. I have no idea what supposedly happened between them but I've never heard anything but nice things about SJP.

 

 

I remember reading somewhere that  SJP made 3.2 million dollars per episode with her Executive Producer credits and the other three made $350,000!

That, in itself might bug me!

https://stylecaster.com/entertainment/tv-movies/1183156/sex-and-the-city-cast-salary/

[Shermie]

2 hours ago, T Summer said:

I remember reading somewhere that  SJP made 3.2 million dollars per episode with her Executive Producer credits and the other three made $350,000!

That, in itself might bug me!

::shrug:: When the show started, she was the star; no one had heard of the other 3 other than a few bit things. Carrie was also the main character, around whom all the other characters connected. 

I’m sure CN and KD* get good money now that they’re EP’s too.

*I see KD and think of Kraft Dinner. Sorry, not sorry.

[RedHawk]

1 hour ago, Shermie said:

::shrug:: When the show started, she was the star; no one had heard of the other 3 other than a few bit things. Carrie was also the main character, around whom all the other characters connected. 

I’m sure CN and KD* get good money now that they’re EP’s too.

*I see KD and think of Kraft Dinner. Sorry, not sorry.

While it's true that Kim Cattrall had a lot of small parts but wasn't nearly as famous as SJP, when she first appeared in SATC many of us remembered her as the leading lady in Mannequin. 

[Shermie]

3 hours ago, RedHawk said:

While it's true that Kim Cattrall had a lot of small parts but wasn't nearly as famous as SJP, when she first appeared in SATC many of us remembered her as the leading lady in Mannequin. 

Never saw that. My only memory of her is playing the teacher in Porky’s who howls like a wolf while having sex. 

Regardless, she wasn’t as well-known as SJP.

[T Summer]

I once knew a guy who was obsessed with the movie Mannequin, lol.

Even if SJP was more well known when the series started, she didn't make it phenomenal success it became  all by herself.

Nearly 10 times the amount of money per episode? That would be hard to accept.

 

[CeeBeeGee]

9 hours ago, T Summer said:

I remember reading somewhere that  SJP made 3.2 million dollars per episode with her Executive Producer credits and the other three made $350,000!

That, in itself might bug me!

https://stylecaster.com/entertainment/tv-movies/1183156/sex-and-the-city-cast-salary/

 

1 hour ago, T Summer said:

Nearly 10 times the amount of money per episode? That would be hard to accept.

 

Yeah, but none of that is SJP's fault. It's the fault of KC's agent who didn't negotiate a better deal for her when her first contract was up. SJP is under no obligation to turn down more money when she is clearly the star and the show puts her at the center. If KC's reason for dropping out is because she is making a business decision--she feels that she is worth more money than the producers are offering (and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, in fact I applaud that)--then why is she so angry and so bitter toward the other three, especially SJP? If it's a business decision, then stay business-like.

 

[T Summer]

I'm on record all over this forum from the time AJLT was announced as saying I completely understand why KC would not do another project that involved putting herself in the hands of whatever creators, writers and producers are involved with the SATC franchise based on SATC shitty movie #2, alone!

With my tongue  in my cheek I've said she should've sued them for attempting to ruin her career and image! 🤭 jk but it was bad!

IDK how SJP and KC relate to each other and if there's bad blood or how much the press has exaggerated all that.

I'm just stating human nature being what it is, it would be hard to see SJP make $3.2 million  an episode and be one of the other actresses making $350k per. That is a huge disparity!

I didn't type one word about it being SJP's fault. I never really get the intense dislike of the character Carrie, which I suppose is because I find SJP likeable. All four actresses and the chemistry between them  made the series what it was.

[CeeBeeGee]

16 minutes ago, T Summer said:

I'm on record all over this forum from the time AJLT was announced as saying I completely understand why KC would not do another project that involved putting herself in the hands of whatever creators, writers and producers are involved with the SATC franchise based on SATC shitty movie #2, alone!

With my tongue  in my cheek I've said she should've sued them for attempting to ruin her career and image! 🤭 jk but it was bad!

IDK how SJP and KC relate to each other and if there's bad blood or how much the press has exaggerated all that.

I'm just stating human nature being what it is, it would be hard to see SJP make $3.2 million  an episode and be one of the other actresses making $350k per. That is a huge disparity!

I didn't type one word about it being SJP's fault. I never really get the intense dislike of the character Carrie, which I suppose is because I find SJP likeable. All four actresses and the chemistry between them  made the series what it was.

Sorry, I didn't realize it looked as though I was singling you out--I just replied to two posts, not realizing the same poster had written both of them 😀 nWhat I  meant was, it seems as though (from how she is acting) that KC thinks SJP is at fault, from her very personal reaction to her in the media and on social media. I agree KC was treated badly in the movies--if she left the franchise because of that (or for other business reasons), more power to her.

[T Summer]

Just now, CeeBeeGee said:

Sorry, I didn't realize it looked as though I was singling you out--I just replied to two posts, not realizing the same poster had written both of them 😀 nWhat I  meant was, it seems as though (from how she is acting) that KC thinks SJP is at fault, from her very personal reaction to her in the media and on social media. I agree KC was treated badly in the movies--if she left the franchise because of that (or for other business reasons), more power to her.

Oh I didn't take like you were aiming your whatever ire? or impatience? with the situation at me. No worries!💕

I don't usually read a lot of articles about SATC or really anything I watch, but I thought I'd remembered that salary tidbit from the article The New Yorker did on SJP. It wasn't in there... turns out.

IDK if there was some kind of falling out between them or what the seed of that mess that hit  the news everywhere  was where KC seemingly  brushed off SJP's condolences when her brother passed away???? I don't trust the press to know  or report accurately...

Just as IDK if that rumor of  some script where Samantha gets involved in young Brady's sexual awakening was really a thing? 🙄

...but that slop they had her under contract to act and say in shitty movie#2 was unforgivable! I'd never do another project with them again!

From interviews she presents it as she's just done playing the role of Samantha. Could be she doesn't trust the people involved to write her character at 60-65 without making her look crazy, being she was portrayed as the most sexually out there on the series? 

Or maybe her agent or whoever couldn't  successfully negotiate for the salary she wanted? Maybe she felt she deserved $2.2 million an episode?

If I were KC and I considered doing SATC movie #3 or AJLT I'd never do it if I didn't have script approval rights before being contracted to do the role, after shitty movie #2. Maybe she asked for that through her agent and couldn't secure it?

I don't think we'll ever know the real story.

[Cosmocrush]

49 minutes ago, T Summer said:

I don't think we'll ever know the real story.

Same.  But in my mind I like to think KC didn’t want to work with MPK and his shitty story/non story ideas.   😎

[bluegirl147]

17 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

But in my mind I like to think KC didn’t want to work with MPK and his shitty story/non story ideas.  

I wouldn't blame her.  He is awful.

18 hours ago, T Summer said:

Could be she doesn't trust the people involved to write her character at 60-65 without making her look crazy, being she was portrayed as the most sexually out there on the series? 

I wouldn't blame her for that either.  I do wonder if Kim had come back for AJLT would she have had Seema's storyline?  Which was wanting a relationship. I think Kim would have wanted to play something different.

19 hours ago, T Summer said:

IDK how SJP and KC relate to each other and if there's bad blood or how much the press has exaggerated all that.

Take this with a grain of salt but from things I have read over the years, some including things Kim herself has said, SATC became cliquey.  With SJP being a Queen Bee and Kristin and Cynthia going along with that.  I think when they went to Atlantic City to film that episode SJP and KD and CN rented a place together and Kim either didn't want to rent with them or wasn't asked.  I do know when Kim turned down the third movie other cast members were not happy about that.  I was on Kim's side regarding the third movie. She didn't want to do it and it could have been made without her.  The fact it didn't get made wasn't Kim's fault.

On 9/4/2023 at 2:24 AM, ChattyCathyLA said:

I still don’t understand why Miranda had to become gay just because the actress did.  What happened?

It is believed and I am someone who believes it that CN wanted Miranda to reflect her real life. And she had a crush on Sara Ramirez.

[Sweet-tea]

On 8/25/2023 at 7:55 AM, TV Diva Queen said:

I think its just me - but I feel that Carrie knows it's over and is just pretending that is OK with her so as to not make Aiden feel bad.  She's not waiting 5 years and she's not going to tell him so she doesn't "hurt" him again.  

The idea of it is ridiculous to me based on the Carrie I know. She is too selfish to wait for anyone. Why the writers chose to end the season this way is beyond me. I thought Aidan was breaking up with her until the last part of the scene. It would've been a better ending and more realistic. If he doesn't want to occasionally travel to NYC and she isn't going to VA, then they should just be done.  I also really don't like how they retconned to make it look like Aidan is the love of Carrie's life, when it  has always been Big. We've watched it play out for years. 

SFP did look gorgeous in that dress! So pretty! I've wondered about her hair. Is it all hers or does she have extensions? 

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Would she really make such an effort to show up to a dinner party when she didn't even make the effort for Big's funeral?

This was my first thought. If they have stayed in touch, it seems like Samantha would've been there for Carrie. I didn't expect much from the cameo. I'd heard so much about it and knew it would only be a few minutes, but I was disappointed. As others have said I'd rather have seen it at the end of the episode. 

I can't tell what is going on with Kristin Davis' face. Sometimes she looks pretty and natural and other times she's bordering on freakish to me. Maybe it's the lighting? 

Some of this show is too graphic for me. I fast-forward through some scenes. 

I was pleased to see Gary Dourdan. He is gorgeous and I like him with Nya.

I don't know where they're going to take this show next season if John Corbett isn't coming back. I guess it won't be difficult for Carrie to find someone else though. Every man she meets is struck by a thunderbolt LOL. 

 

 

Edited September 17, 2023 by Sweet-tea

[T Summer]

 

Agree. It's over. Carrie isn't waiting around 5 years for Aiden or anyone else. So why did MPK tell anyone who would listen that he wouldn't  have brought Aiden back a third time  just to fail?

He also intimated that Carrie and Samantha remain in touch, even though we've only witnessed this one call and a couple of texts. It's ludicrous to suggest Samantha wouldn't have been at  Big's funeral, but would be traveling overseas to attend Carrie's goodbye to her old apartment. Such a special occaision that she gathered in 10 or so brand new acquaintances and Miranda, Harry, Charlotte and Anthony.

 

Can you imagine if Samantha had made it? She would only know Miranda, Anthony, Charlotte and Harry.  [No Steve]  Here's Carrie introducing Anthony's new 46 year younger paramour while explaining longtime friend  (and Anthony's husband) Stanford's absence... oh yeah, he sent Carrie a note saying  it's  a monk's life for me... tell Anthony bye!  This is LTW + spouse Herbert. Her kids go to school with Charlotte's.  Lisette lives downstairs and will be taking the apartment. Then a couple people she worked on a podcast with until she imploded it, the closest one of the bunch: her realtor Seema and brand new director boo... and Nya. How the hell does Carrie know Nya, anyway?

Not to mention the fact that she already sold and moved out of that apartment once before... in s1 when Seema sold her the big ultra modern apartment she ended up not liking.

 

and most of all this:

On 9/17/2023 at 7:58 AM, Sweet-tea said:

I also really don't like how they retconned to make it look like Aidan is the love of Carrie's life, when it  has always been Big. We've watched it play out for years.

 

 

[Sweet-tea]

On 9/5/2023 at 12:04 PM, bluegirl147 said:

Take this with a grain of salt but from things I have read over the years, some including things Kim herself has said, SATC became cliquey.  With SJP being a Queen Bee and Kristin and Cynthia going along with that.  I think when they went to Atlantic City to film that episode SJP and KD and CN rented a place together and Kim either didn't want to rent with them or wasn't asked.  I do know when Kim turned down the third movie other cast members were not happy about that.  I was on Kim's side regarding the third movie. She didn't want to do it and it could have been made without her.  The fact it didn't get made wasn't Kim's fault.

I read the same thing. The impression I got was KC thought it was a mean girls situation with SJP leading. KC wasn't included. And she didn't appreciate SJP's social media comment about her KC's brother's death, because she didn't think it was genuine. She didn't consider them friends and thought SJP just posted it to make herself look good in the public eye. I also think KC was a little jealous that SJP was the show's front runner and made a lot more money and had more power. 

I've gotten the feeling that KC is bitter and angry. She seems to be harboring a grudge while SJP has tried to rise above it. But I don't blame KC at all for not wanting to to a third film, nor do I blame her for being done with the character of Samantha. That's certainly her choice and I don't think it's fair of the others to be upset with her about it. 

Edited September 21, 2023 by Sweet-tea

[Lethallyfab]

On 9/17/2023 at 6:58 AM, Sweet-tea said:

I can't tell what is going on with Kristin Davis' face. Sometimes she looks pretty and natural and other times she's bordering on freakish to me. Maybe it's the lighting? 

Fun fact (or, really, apocryphal “fact” since I have no actual sources) — apparently the switch to HD threw TV makeup artists for a complete loop and they had to totally change the way they do make-up - being painted on versus being airbrushed on.  
 

I will say that AJLT looks, both lighting-wise and cinematography-wise, very much like a “digital” “flat-lighting” HD show - which, it’s fine, a lot of digital shows do but I also often say that “HD is no actress’s friend.”

Not to get too Christopher Nolan but I’m watching the OG series and there is a visible difference between the warmth and grain of film and the digital look.

DoP John Thomas has the most credits for cinematography for the OG series and also helmed both movies, so, weird not to hire him again unless they wanted to drastically change the look of the show.