Cindy McLennan

I think I was so focused on the fact that the writers had never met with Jensen and Jared before the start of a new season, that I didn't even take notice of it. I get it in the early years, when they were just pretty WB/CW meat that turned out to be talented and committed to the show. I don't get it after Kripke left. I really don't get it in the past 5-7 years.

Thank you, @gonzosgirrl and @Casseiopeia. I did see that interview. I guess I didn't take it as seriously (where those words are concerned) because he seemed to me to be trying to explain what he meant by it wasn't a brainstorming question.

I have repeatedly seen people say Jensen said they were told to "take it or leave it," but I have never seen Jensen say they were told to take it or leave it. Will someone please share the source for this?

Jensen talked about taking home the boots in an interview, I don't remember which one(s), and he put a photo of them on his Instagram. https://www.instagram.com/p/CHyc8A-g_zC/ (this link wouldn't embed). Just for anyone who hasn't read the latest article on the boots, Jensen isn't wearing his SPN on The Boys. While selecting his wardrobe for The Boys, when they gave him a choice of boots, he chose the same brand, but a different color, as the boots he wore on Supernatural.

It's this movie: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7070818/ Who is Justin?

Thank you for sharing that.

I didn't care about Jack's ascension. None of that is how I would have had things play out, but it's over and I'm too mad about real world stuff to expend energy on it. (Jack never mattered to me, except that he mattered to the Winchesters and Cas.) So to clarify, I like how 15.19 ended for the boys. They were free, and the future was theirs. That's why I preferred it to 15.20. That's if you accept a framework like the one in The Good Place. In the real world, while death imparts a precious quality to life I don't agree that it gives it purpose, so much as urgency. Episode to episode, I thought The Good Place explored interesting ethical questions in a thoughtful way that was way above the usual sitcom fare. I also thought its concept of the afterlife was perhaps its weakest aspect -- shallow, facile. I don't know enough about Jack's fixed-up Supernatural heaven to know that what was true in The Good Place would be true there. To me, there's a difference between work (even challenging work) and suffering. I don't know what is in store for Dean, Sam, and everybody else in Supernatural heaven. Even if you look at The Bible, human life before the fall of man was not without work (which would give life purpose), or relationships (which -- ditto).

Yeah, my feelings keep shifting. I tweeted out a GIF of Bobby saying, "Balls" as I was watching (at the point Dean died), but I didn't even hate it. It's hard for me to separate my feelings about the show ending (I'm sad, even though I think it's well past time, because I enjoyed it more often than not for 15 years) from my feelings about how the show ended. I fully expected both boys to die. I fully expected a heavenly reunion with their loved ones (and think we would have gotten more of that, were it not for the pandemic). If you had told me one died first, I would have known it was Dean, and not because I think the writers hate the character or Jensen, or favor Sam/Jared over Dean/Jensen, but I've been watching how they do things for long enough to predict what they'll do in a given situation. My biggest feeling about 15.20 is that it was mostly unnecessary. It was like tying a bow on a bow. 15.19 ended the story in a perfect place (for me). I still loved Dean's final speech in the barn, though. Both Jensen and Jared were wonderful.

I mean, Dean won. He never had to watch his cholesterol intake. Can you imagine Dean Winchester having to swear off bacon cheeseburgers for any significant length of time? Talk about Hell on earth. And what about once a doctor tested his liver function?

The execution was my biggest beef with the end of Buffy, too. I liked the narrative, as I do with SPN, but that last leg was almost painful to sit through (and SPN was on the air more than twice as long). Maybe it's too heavy a lift to end a long running show in a way fans will find fitting. It seems to me that more than once during the run of the show, Dean said he was going to go out like this (I mean not in details, but he wasn't worried about a retirement plan and maybe even said that). Ah well, at the end of the day, I'm glad the writers didn't ruin Supernatural for me. They left it (for me at least) it a space where I'll be happy to revisit it, from time to time.

It made me feel better to see Miracle, too. And I was glad Sammy had him after Dean's death. It just dawned on me, now that Supernatural is over, none of the shows I recapped for TWoP are on the air. I only did SPN for the first half of season 4, while Demian was injured. He and Tippi both covered it so well, and much longer, but I still think of it as one of my shows too. That might have actually dawned on me last spring, but I forgot about it until just now.

I did love Dean's farewell words to Sam. I loved that they kept the dog. I also loved that they were Agents Singer and Kripke.

I'm pretty sure it was along the lines of, "My friend Donna Hanscom said if I ever got in a jam to call Agent Bon Jovi." I'll have to watch again, or find a transcript. I just remember it was ambiguous, because it ticked me off. It also ticked me off that the writers don't know Dean well enough to know he wouldn't have left his bed a mess like that. The man had a domestic streak a mile wide. No one on this show can cook scrambled eggs, btw. They were tight little curds in this episode, and in the episode where AU-Charlie was singing the praises of her GF's eggs.

It was pretty much said that Cas was out of the empty by the time Dean got to Heaven. Dean didn't loaf around for eternity. He had a beer with Bobby, took Baby for a spin, and met up with Sam on a bridge. Bobby outright said time works differently there. We don't know what they'll do for eternity. We do know it's happy. In other words, a lot of the assumptions you're bringing in your post weren't shown in the episode and some of them were ruled out by the episode. We don't know enough to know what it will be like, imo. I forget the wording, but when I heard the line, I felt like she could have said that anytime (including before her death).

I really do think they were hampered by Covid restrictions, but they should have better adapted the writing to that. What I wish they'd addressed is when Jack-god brought back the rest of the people he wiped out during his hissy fit, whether he brought back Donna, Eileen, and Jody Mills (i.e. all the people from Sam and Dean's reality who he'd taken out). I'm glad Jack (with an assist from Castiel) made Heaven more heavenly. I don't see why they had to kill Dean so soon. It's not like the episode was chock full o' plot. Like many have said, I'm not angry, but I'm disappointed.

Hi Monique! It did feel like they came up with half an episode. They would have done better to have Dean's death be a brief denouement to last week's episode. I didn't hate it, but I feel let down, whereas last week felt like it meant something. Sam's wig was the worse wig that ever did wig, though.

Yes. It was Eric Kripke's swan song (which was the episode's name). I don't feel (and none of this matters) like it has to be trillions of people (although let's ignore the land of untold stories). If we don't double count the same story across multiple countries/cultures), there would be even fewer. Also, most kingdoms/realms would have wherever the castle/government seat is, the village where the action happens, and then wilderness, or jungle, or desert, or water at its edges, so it wouldn't feel so plunked. (That's how it worked in my head. The CGI pass through of all the lands was effectively just an advertisement for the different parks at Disney World.) I think I'm tap dancing so hard to rationalize that part, because I liked the idea of uniting everyone and tucking all the "realms of story" in a secret corner in Maine. I watched the last 5 minutes or so again. With all the realms united, Regina is the (good) Queen of them all, I guess. Blah. Oh well, elections are tricky things. People are often unhappy with their results. ? P.S. to those who were wondering: Blue (or at least one version of Blue) was right next to Smee in the coronation audience.

I didn't want it to end there, either, but watching it, it really felt like a series finale, the way the Supernatural season five finale (for anyone here who watched) felt like a Supernatural finale, and the Buffy season five finale ("The Gift") felt like a Buffy finale. I thought I saw Blue in the congregation/audience at Regina's coronation. Maybe near Jared Gilmore/Henry. If their whole world got dragged there, would they even notice? Also, why trillions? Also, was Regina crowned Queen of All the Realms or just the Snow realm (which Regina stole after engineering the assassination of Snow's father? Just keeping the Regina story real.)

Their realms and all the neighboring realms moved to Maine too, so maybe they won't care?

Yeah, Ginny's tears and crumpled face got to me. I think that was a real mix of acting and letting her own love for the show shine through. I finally "got" Rumbelle, too. I think 3.11 might still be my favorite episode of the whole series. I would have been okay if it ended there. It certainly made me cry the most. The s3 finale would have been a good ending, too. You know, if they'd given Emma her happy ending (basically what she has now), in say season four or five, then actually shifted it to a Regina story, I might have been okay with Regina being the Oprah of All Things. I don't know. You all have said so much of what I was going to say, and I sort of keep disagreeing with myself as I read each new post.

Sigh. I got sad watching the montage and the final footage up and down Storybrooke's streets, but I was grateful for it. It reminded me of all the good. I was annoyed they couldn't get a decent gown for Emma. It reminded me of all the rest. (Don't get me wrong, JMo looked lovely, but she basically had a department store prom gown.) If I cared enough, I would be dismayed that Regina was crowned (the good) Queen of the Realm -- by Snow of all people -- with Emma looking on. They started out telling me Emma's fairy tale and turned it into Regina's, so I expected it.

I don't think it had enough soap (or at least it had the wrong kind of suds). Good soaps are character driven. When this show fell down, it was because it was plot driven. I wanted the relationships (and not just the romance, the family and friends stuff), but that was my mistake. This was action-adventure. The frigging curse resets and memory wipes were also over-used. I like this: Week to week, I think it should have been Emma helping this character or that with their happy endings. You could have a season-long or half-season big bad, who tied into several of the characters Emma was helping. Where the soap should come in is in the relationships, but that's not what this show did. It would touch on moments, but then they'd be dropped. Yes! This.

Hey everyone, it only took me three tries to remember my password. I thought of you all as soon as I heard Once Upon a Time had been cancelled. Like most of you, I think it should have ended last season. If I can Monday-morning quarterback it, I would have liked to see Emma get her happy ending at the end of season five. I think if they'd then brought new (or existing, but previously less central) characters to the forefront for season six, while JMo, Ginny, and Josh were on contract it might have worked. Still, I feel bad for the people who worked on the show who are losing their jobs, particularly the below-the-line crew. I'm still irrationally angry about some things about this show, but only because I love the parts I love, so much.

Hey, I didn't mean to quote any of you, but can't get the quotes to go away. What I'm here to say is, I am so deeply disappointed in the OUAT S6 finale, that I feel I let you down. This is not the show I began recapping for you all on TWoP. While it matters not at all, please take my pole. Just so I'll know some of you read a thing I once watched: http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/upon-time-season-seven-will-watch-without-jennifer-morrison/ (How do I get rid of these quote-y things?) For the record? I will not be watching. UGH.

If TWoP still was, my recaplet tomorrow would have been one word: CODSWALLOP. Eff Eddy and Adam. Wow. I went from fangirl to hater in 2 hours. This was THE most disrespectful end to a story -- any story -- ever. My hatred can not be expressed. I just want to recognize that "Last Supper" visual, because I did notice it. But now, I want to douse the entire series with gasoline and drop a match, because what a load of shit.