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I can't find this clip. It's not on Hannity's site, though there is the one from before the break and indeed, Mediaite clipped about 3 minutes from the first segment and you can see the preacher start to lose it.

I was a huge fan of Whoopi's and even tolerated her when she made some bonkers comments about "rape, rape" and the Vick situation. I have no idea, but my impression is that Whoopi doesn't put her money where her perceived mouth is. She is tapped for appearing in PSAs and such, but I don't think she spends a lot of cold hard cash for causes. Rosie O'Donnell on the other hand... I will never understand why someone that I perceive as having such a close mind-set had to go all alpha-dog on another. It's a god damned shame. My favorite Whoopi role will always be Clara's Heart, ironically since she starred with Neil Patrick Harris. I loved her in Jumpin' Jack Flash too, I'll have to seek out the Law & Order episode, sounds transfixing.

Does anyone have a link to the full Hannity interview, I think I only found a clipped one on Mediaite, because I didn't see the preacher go batshit crazy, I saw him defend but not screech. I even lowered myself to looking at Hannity's site. Ha!

Well this doesn't bode well for the Duggars; it appears that they've (InTouch) held their powder and let the Duggars sink themselves. This interview also speaks to my "critical mass" theory. Ha! Validation, YAAAAS! I remember the first little assertion that was leaked and showed up on HuffPo, the Edwards supporters lost it and blamed the Clinton campaign.

I wish I could stretch myself to have some empathy here, but it is a struggle. I'm glad you had someone too, hugs. But it might help them learn empathy? That would be invaluable to them! Consensual legal sexual behavior is completely different than non-consensual illegal sexual behavior. I have no idea if his "change" was for the better or worse, but I'm just fine with him going to the strip club at the age of 18, it's normal! It's even normal for an FRC hate mongering ass. I appreciated your whole post, I'm done posturing about any of this because I simply can't read the police report. The teeny tiny bit of time I had it open in a window I was terribly triggered. I can't say what is in there and what isn't because I can't read it, which is why I chose not to comment much about this interview. What they did do though, is minimize what happened. And I got really skeeved out by Jessa's characterization of Josh's methods as "sly". I'm someone that was molested, in my sleep and woke up. So this again, is triggering for me. Also, since I haven't watched this show hardly at all, I don't "know" these young ladies like many of you do. I have enjoyed a lot of the snark while "getting to know them" somewhat the last couple weeks, but the mannerisms and behavior in this interview are/were somewhat foreign to me. Where I have a problem is the lies that are being told about the timelines, that Josh went to Ma and Pa every time, and other particulars but that is probably obfuscation that was written out on Michelle and Jill's cheat sheets. It's sort of clear to me from "Alice's" posts and other things published that: 1. Josh molested two sisters. 2. Josh came forward to his parents and admitted this. 3. Nothing was done and Josh escalated. 4. Josh escalated badly enough that he did it again to another survivor in front of others 5. Someone went to Ma and Pa and told on him (for TomServo should he? show up - this impression is from other sources than the police report) 6. Josh was pulled out of the house and sent away to whatever that building was that was Gothard owned, previously owned by Hobby Lobby to do something, construction? Repairs? Perhaps to prepare it for a new prison ministry? 7. JimBob brought Josh unfortunately to the PedoStatie for a stern talking to, PedoStatie failed to file a report 8. Specials are taped and broadcast 9. Somebody contacted HARPO and they pulled an interview and sent the Duggars packing, they also forwarded the email to the authorities (I don't know what authorities) 10. The police and DHS became involved. I honestly believe that they all did get some kind of licensed therapy here, I have no idea if it was enough, but it was enough to meet DHS requirments. 11. I think that Josh was placed on some sort of offender list, probably not the Sex Offender Registry, but something a step down from that - and then filed to be removed once he met the requirements of DHS. 12. The Duggars get a series. 13. The Duggars become increasingly political. 14. Josh gains employment with the FRC. 15. Michelle tapes a hateful bigoted robocall that is a screed against transgender women. Somewhere in there though it's sketchy - Josh and the survivors were dragged in front of some sort "church" to confess and offer forgiveness. How the fuck a five/six (the time is sketchy) year old can understand what happened completely and forgive is beyond my comprehension though. So in conclusion, if it weren't for the evasiveness and obfuscation I wouldn't question this interview at all. But that said, I think it's really gross that these two were thrown to the wolves to save the franchise, for reasons like "reputation", even if they may have the largest investment because of a possible spin-off. It's just more display of how crazy the belief system is what probably caused this mess in the first place. eta: I hope and pray that the locks to the girls' bedroom were from the inside.

Ah, thank you! It made things seem sketchy because well timelines and such. ;)

Oh that's terrible HFC, all my hugs for you at the moment. I cannot even imagine... I can offer you this bit of humor, we could swap out daughters, my all women's college, heathen, uber feminist (which is a pain in it's own way) brand would terrorize the S-I-L into place, and she's bilingual with Spanish being her second language, she's also very good with little ones! She could use a semester abroad. ;) No wonder you are petrified, what a difficult situation.

Heh. I wasn't really an Obama supporter, sure I voted for him but I never got sprinkled with Obama pixie dust, he made a lot of promises about getting rid of NCLB but his administration has put testing on steroids. It needs to go, Race for the Top makes NCLB look like child's play and it's bullshit, I can't even with all the support for corporatized Charter Schools.

Two other things the weird usage of the words "whenever" and "we" when they clearly didn't fit the narrative that Jill and Jessa were presenting.

I DVR'd and watched this whole thing, and I regret it as I knew I would. I'm not going to comment much about what the young ladies said but I noticed that: 1. They wedged in DHS so that the audience knew that they were working with a state/county/government agency - though they did nothing to clean up the timeline 2. They worked in "licensed" therapy for everyone, and Josh presumably paid his co-pays 3. The went with a feminist gambit - throwing shade at Bauer Media and the "exploitation of women with porn" My quick perusal of Bauer's Wiki and GoogleFu tells me that the only porn associated with Bauer is some sort of neo-nazi porn? Perhaps I was too quick. The looking back and forth for assurance that they were answering correctly was beyond obvious. The shady use of a statistic was troubling as well and it's clear that they are totally on board with invalidating the reactions of people that were sexually abused as children unless it was "rape". Watching the PhD that Megyn tapped for discussion, it was pretty clear to me that her answers were edited and cut off, I would be soooo pissed in a situation like that. It was very obvious to me that nothing was "live" about the show, I hope Megyn enjoyed her Friday night off.

Oh that's so wonderful wanderwoman! Nothing like it on the planet, is there? :)

I started a long post in many threads about what happened to me and why it seemed to cause chronic PTSD for me. I was molested by my daycare lady's father. Her home was basically across the street from my elementary school and I spent grades 2-5 looking out the window at my predator. Also, there was a "front" playground to my school that was way too close when he was outside and I had tremendous guilt about not feeling okay to shout out to every single friend and foe that this was dangerous!!! I never got therapy from this incident and I was afraid to go to bathroom due to fear that a hand would come up from the toilet. Also, I never knew when my daycare lady's children would accost me in public shouting horrible things at me because somehow at the at of seven I was accused of seducing this man. Three years later I was molested by a first cousin, over and under my nightgown whilst I was asleep and then awake - he dragged me from my bunk into his bunk and I all I could muster is that my friend would miss me when we got to his bunk, at first I pretended to stay asleep because I could not comprehend that this could happen again. I jumped up and got on the other side of my BFF in our bunk. When I told my parents that my first cousin who is 13 years older than me did this, they chucked it off to a bad dream about the first incident, further invalidating my feelings about being sexually abused. This cousin kept coming at me for three years, until his sister finally busted him, thank gawd. But, my parents continued to deny that this was happening, it left a really bad mark on me not to be believed. Invalidating or ignoring things that make a young child think omg, I'm in danger is terrible and leaves scars. Permanent scars. I didn't know where else to put this but that the survivors of Josh's abuse have been completely invalidated makes me so furious, I wish this "special hour" tonight wasn't happening, I don't care how "significant" the abuse Josh got away with on his sisters was. It messes with our person, in a really deep way when we aren't validated.

I said something similar weeks ago at this point, I have never seen from one news story so many survivors come forward. I think it's a great thing, and it's past time that the white male patriarchy and rape culture end. All that said, this to shall pass sadly and we'll be back to crap again, and that actually makes me sad.

Fine, let the alarm blast in the parents ear, not the survivors. I cannot express how fucking horrible that would be for children that are already afraid to go to sleep due to fear from a repeat performance.

I cannot begin to enumerate the many ways I despise this person - but he told it like it is on this topic. The many that have including Michael Reagan deserve our praise.

I don't give three hoots who she is or what she does, the very last damn thing a person with hyper-vigilance needs is a fucking alarm sounding while they are sleeping... That's just elementary.

She's just following the example provided by her parents.

I'm not caught up, but DOOR ALARMS? Just no. The locks I pray were from the inside, so the girls had some semblance of control over their own lives. I just keep thinking about this... the repeated remark, "Josh's wrongdoing" - let that sink in for a minute, wrongdoing. Um, that brings to mind stealing a candy bar, or perhaps some cigarellos, not molestation.

Is the expected babe a girl?

The release of the police report is all FNC has - it's a distraction. The Duggar parents and FNC personalities will be lucky if they avoid litigation for making those accusations of bribery and illegality on national television; they are effectively slandering the retired police chief who sought and received approval from her AG.

I understand that part, I'm just not sure that survivors that weren't invalidated in the first place, would proceed that way, if that makes sense?

I feel terrible for the survivors here, I cannot stress it enough. That said, the only "outing" of the older girls that were abused was by the family themselves, the police report was vague enough that there was no real way to pick out which three they were. Having two of them identify themselves in an interview just skeeves me out, what is the purpose? The public did not need to know! The invalidation of any emotions they may have had or still have about being molested is almost as bad as the molestation itself. ::sigh::

Grrrr, not my precious Cat!!! grrrr For the record, I'm completely rehabilitated on Nicolle. MSNBC, SEE: Mika B on Morning Joe. I don't get it either, it grates when the weekend crew are on CNN especially, I want to put sporks in my eyes and ears with Poppy Harlow. ARGH. Extremely well educated women acting the fool is the most annoying thing on the planet!

I'm not seeing a lot of criticism of Kelly beyond her bad weave. Did I miss something? (Lots of criticism of the Duggar parents, but not Kelly.)