Bringonthedrama

It's clear that you don't like her. It also seems that you're making assumptions about her. The show hasn't really gotten into details of Rebecca's successes/failures as a young singer, how she truly felt about marriage or kids pre-Jack, what if any goals her parents wanted her to live up to, etc. The writing for these characters doesn't let you know about them at more than a surface level, or why these two connect. Even one line from Jack during his "romantic speech" would have helped me, i.e. "I love you because I never get tired of hearing you explain the deeper meaning of the lyrics to *insert song name*." I would like to know that, maybe, she really knew she was in love with him, and vice versa, when he told off her mother for demeaning her about her singing (or the way she dressed, or something). The couples I know who have lasting marriages have reasons for being together, beyond mutual attraction and love of the children they're raising - interest in travel, education/intellectual topics, faith, sports/athletics and more. They have mutual goals in life. Jack is attractive, idealistic and romantic, Rebecca is attractive, Jack loves seeing her as a mother, and she has a pretty voice plus unsexy dance. They enjoyed watching sports together once she realized she liked seeing the teams in action on-screen. Okkkkk....that's it?! In this finale, Rebecca did not say she intended to make a career out of working with this specific band, nor did she say "I'm launching a career as a solo artist; deal with it." (Even though it's well known that the Rebecca actress, Mandy Moore, has made good money as a singer.) It is troubling that there seems to be more outrage from some posters over a woman leaving her husband and capable teen-agers for two weeks than there is about a man who is just really damn lucky he didn't kill himself or someone else while driving under the influence. He's also lucky that he didn't get beaten or arrested for starting a fight. Last I knew, a woman singing on stage is never the cause of the injury and/or death of innocent people. He could have left his three innocent children with Rebecca and no father/provider. I acknowledge I say this as someone with a close friend, who lost her 19-year-old brother because he was under the influence and wrapped his car around a tree. Being buzzed or falling down drunk while driving cannot be justified or minimized in its seriousness. For someone to dismiss it with "just another Saturday night" and they can "roll the windows down and sober up" - Nope! Offensive. The devastation to a family is horrific. Rebecca's anger with him over that is absolutely justified. When she said she hadn't noticed his drinking increasing, he responded with a line about her being gone a lot. That sounds dangerously close to 'it's your fault, you're not here to stop me from being my worst self' - instead of being accountable for his own actions. Then his "And?" made it sound like he doesn't have enough faith in her commitment to their vows to know without asking that nothing has happened between her and another man. He was mad she didn't disclose information about Ben - yet he doesn't ever tell her a lady co-worker, whom we can assume he sees on a weekly basis, flirts with him? I also agree with SueB that Rebecca did not 'throw him out of the house.' The scenes were not written or acted that way. A man who behaves like Jack does (including making major decisions without Rebecca) is not a taken-advantage of, hen-pecked husband. These two have really significant communication issues they need to resolve. A bunch of the things Jack brought up that he's angry about, like sacrifices he's made, she can't know about if he doesn't tell her he's done them. Likewise, he can't know she's feeling like a ghost, unneeded by the kids, I need to do more with my life, etc. if she doesn't sit down with him and tell him what she's thinking. Right now, IMO, neither one of them is in a position to claim to be great spouse material.

I will guess he's focused on something/going somewhere, she begs him to drop everything and either get something for her or come get her when she's feeling emotional in a moment of teen crisis, and he dies en route, or on the way home.

4th person, actually. Platt's dad was murdered after Justin. Platt was attacked too, but her quick thinking got the guy to run away instead of shooting her. Voight talked her down when she wanted to kill her dad's murderer. I assumed Lexi died (at least in part) to make Al equal to/bond even more with Voight. They're both old school cops who understand each other's thinking, and now they both understand what it feels like to lose a child to violence. Makes me wonder if Voight is going to intervene in something Al does in the future, or if Al will cover for Voight (grief-stricken father empathy) if the 'Justin's killer disappeared' storyline re-emerges due to new evidence.

A) Fixed that for you ;). Anna has been a crappy mother in Robin's adult life, and not much better as a grandmother. Robert has been cute with Emma, but in Robin's adult life he has mostly just shown up when she needs a rescue. I remember it being pointed out to Robert that Robin should have had her parents to lean on for love and support; his response was "well she turned out okay. She had Mac." Ugh. B) I can believe Jason would do that. I'm sure he assumes Sam's halo will keep her floating safely above any real danger.

Then the 'supposed to be close' was mostly off-screen. Luke knew Lane as Rory's friend, and daughter of Mrs. Kim, the antique shop owner. He would see her 'around', like at the big dinner party Lorelai hosted at the inn. Years later, she wanted to work at Luke's because she was asserting her independence from her mother and moving in with her band mates. He appreciated her hard work, but they were not shown to have scenes building a meaningful relationship, like he had with Jess or April. If anything, he had a sort-of friendship with Zack. Zack started serving when Lane's pregnancy made serving too hard for her. While in the diner, he got all nervous about becoming a father, and Luke was the one to calm him down. When Lorelai needed a new jeep but wouldn't buy one, Luke mentioned he had Zack's help re: obtaining a new engine for her old jeep. And yes, Luke was asked to be godfather because the other options didn't seem good. I just think Luke should have had a witness who was there for him (not mostly for Rory or Lorelai) at his real marriage ceremony. Instead, the wedding came off like Luke was basically a supporting player during a fun night in the center of Stars Hollow for Lorelai and Rory, with mother and daughter's closest SH friends. Also, I saw Lorelai wearing a dress that I don't believe she would wear. I thought the black lace, bow at waist, white cotton (?) collar look must have come from AS-P's closet. Lorelai liked color and style; I thought maybe she'd wear a pretty purple and silver/gray dress since it was fall (saving a lovely white or off-white dress for the wedding ceremony the next day).

Same here. The witnesses should have been Rory for Lorelai and Jess for Luke, or if 'just a few loved ones/family', then Emily and Rory (Gilmore Girls!) for Lorelai and April and Jess for Luke. Sookie, not Michel, was the one to encourage Lorelai and Luke's relationship. It was weird to see him there because Michel and Luke never liked each other (Luke makes a semi-snide comment about him in the Revival) and Lane had worked at Luke's but they were not shown to be close, i.e. Luke mentoring Lane to start her own restaurant. She was Rory's friend. I also don't believe Luke would get married for real without his nephew and/or his daughter there, after the fuss Luke has made about being there for his sister and Jess. demanding that Jess show up for Liz's wedding, and the desire to be a real dad to April.

You mean Liz and Sam were allowed to have a conversation that wasn't focused on Franco, Jason, the history of 'what Liz put Sam, Jason and Danny through" or 'what Sam put Liz, Cam and Jake through'? Wow. It's sad that Show is determined to prop Franco, at the expense of a legacy character like Liz. She was uncomfortable, unhappy and a bit creeped out by Nik's behavior after their affair - yet Franco makes Nik look like a healthy, stand-offish gentleman. Also, real Liz would never date a man who kidnapped her newborn son. I think the one true moment for her in the last 6 months or so was the reaction to finding out Sabrina was dead. She felt alone; she leaned on Franco because Lucky, Nikolas, Emily, Robin, and Sabrina (who knows re: docs Lanie and Kelly) are dead or left town. Jason and Liz are co-parents now, but not friends. (FYI: I'm not looking for a debate about whether they should or shouldn't be. Just stating the obvious.) I know that Show wants us to believe Liz and Felix are friends, but really they're not. Anyway, Liz is at a really low point in her non-professional life, so she gets into a relationship with Franco. Epiphany commenting doesn't surprise me, because she gets to chime in on plot points being pushed - like her OTT encouragement of Sabrina and Patrick getting together and getting engaged so quickly (and later the tears when Sabrina died) after she had seen Patrick and Robin's relationship develop for years and didn't cry over Robin's death. Also, the b.s. of encouraging Sonny when he was in the wheelchair. A nurse like Pip would be professional, but would never have anything but contempt for someone who lives like Sonny - esp. when all the people shot, blown up or otherwise injured by him or as a result of his orders make her job harder/more stressful. I choose to believe Felix is interested/comments to Liz about Franco because he misses sticking his nose into his late bff's love life.

I was just happy to see nurses Elizabeth and Bobbie in a scene focused on fighting for their jobs (with references to Monica and Tracy) rather than propping Franco or Carly. It's a little shocking that the show remembers they care about their work and other people in life. My standards are quite low these days.

No, his name was Lt. Vince Poletti. If you watch DZ's work in the first year or two "Dominic"/Dante was on GH, you'll hear references to the man as Dante's motivation for becoming a police officer and the desire to see Sonny go to prison. I know that Sonny and Dante had at least one scene about that.

LA first came on as a high-school student, teen-age, insecure Kristina. I bought her as desperate for love and attention (thanks largely to Sonny's disregard of girl child), which is why she was loyal to an abusive boyfriend. She was a girl who developed a crush on an older guy who was nice to her, when her father and bf were both douches. She was angry and hurt at Ethan's rejection, yes, but it was made abundantly clear that she said Ethan hurt her because she was a scared kid, afraid her father would have Kiefer killed if she told the truth. She admitted later she thought because Ethan was Luke's son, he would be safe from Sonny's violence. I think the word choice "did to Ethan" is a stretch. Now if Kristina had been in her 20s or older at the time, I might think differently. I loved LA's acting when Kristina called Sonny out on his b.s. when Jax was missing (due to Sonny having the airplane disabled). She showed growth. But all of Kristina's growth disappeared with the re-cast, and also with the direction of the character (while LA's been in the role again) since Sonny got shot last fall/winter. She indeed has been a petulant, snarky, lying brat with her family. I chalk up her behavior toward Molly as envy, or jealousy because she sees that Molly is happy and successful in college, has a healthy relationship/devoted boyfriend, and is generally respected and well-liked. (Comparable to the AJ/Jason dynamic, pre-car accident). Kristina thinks of Sam as the "cool" big sister because Sam will sometimes keep Kristina's secrets, doesn't really criticize her, and because Sam's husband is close to her father.

That's not even necessary, given Dante's own history. I would like someone to remind Dante that he came to Port Charles to take down Sonny because he ordered the death of an innocent man who had been like a father to Dante. Dante knew the family. Dante needs to have it thrown in his face that he abandoned his principles after finding out Sonny was his father. So there was never justice for the man Dante claimed he wanted to honor.

Seriously, they need to get this straight. Also, Valentin and Lulu both look like jerks because Charlotte's physical and emotional well-being should both be important. This poor kid came to Port Charles w/Claudette and was calling her mommy, Claudette introduced Charlotte to first Nathan as "Daddy", and then Griffin. Claudette then abandons Charlotte with these people she's just met, and not long after that she's told that Claudette, aka "Mommy" is dead. Valentin sucks for telling Nina that Charlotte would "get over missing her mother soon" and Lulu sucks because all she cares about is that Charlotte ditches feeling attached to Valentin, gets over any negative feelings about Claudette's death, and insta-loves and accepts her as Mommy. This poor girl has been through a lot - they need to let that *sink in* to their selfish brains, and give her some emotional safe space. I think someone should give awesome dad Mac Scorpio a call - have him remove Charlotte from Valentin and Lulu's toxicity. He surely remembers what it's like to be there for a young girl who's been through a lot of change/trauma.

I don't recall Liz acting desperate and crazy over Zander, Ewen, AJ, or even Nikolas (extremely stupid, yes). I think she wanted proof when Jason said Ric was a rapist? She got angry because Jason assumed, by accusing Ric of raping Carly, she would take his word for it and automatically turn on Ric due to being a rape victim herself. I recall backlash against Sam, ironically, for how she spoke to/behaved with rape victim Emily (as the rapist was Nik's doppelganger.) I remember a rooftop scene where Jason told Liz Sam had been raped, and he wasn't sure if the baby was his or Franco. BH played Liz as very compassionate about Sam's pain and encouraging an unsure Jason about acceptance, given his history. Sometime in Nov/Dec, Liz said she wasn't going to live in fear of Tom or let that control her life. But I don't buy that she would automatically think Sam should do the same, or that she would push Sam to help Franco. That is just the writers wanting to prop Franco and drag Liz through the mud even more.

Thanks for the heads up! I love Mac moments w/his girls, so I'll definitely watch that. Any chance Mac got to have a scene with Maxie and Robin? Or a Mac-Robin quick chat and hug? I kinda feel like fans got screwed out of a last good Mac & Robin scene when Robin, Patrick and Emma left Port Charles.

Voight said that, and mentioned losing Justin, so he could understand the desire for family. Erin didn't say yes, or no. We know she's been without a stable mother figure since Voight's wife died, now she's also lost Justin too, and I don't think we know of Erin having any grandparents, aunts or uncles? Can't remember if that guy who made an appearance a while ago was Erin's brother by blood, or a former foster brother? I would say void of 'having family/people who care for you, who can be trusted.' We already know she wanted Jay to move in with her in part because she didn't feel she could trust anyone else at this time in her life (including Voight). It didn't seem to me that she instantly trusted him - she was clearly not happy to hear well, I've been out of jail 10 years but I didn't get in touch because I got married and we have two sons (i.e. 'couldn't mess that up by reaching out to or even acknowledging a daughter from my past'.) I think she lowers her defenses because Bunny tells her this man is your father, he has years of childhood photos of her, and isn't asking for favors, or appearing to have an agenda. He tells her he wants to be there for her. He's probably the first person (other than Jay) to say that to her since Voight took her in and treated her as family - that's a huge deal. It didn't dawn on Erin that Bunny might be wrong, or unsure, about who her father is. I totally understand her rage toward Bunny.

Oh, okay- I thought I missed something important. But I don't go along with that way of thinking, because Sonny and Carly had that mentality about Michael re: not acknowledging bio father AJ. I remember Sonny flat-out telling his sister (when she visited him for his birthday): "AJ is nothing to Michael." Carly and Olivia did not have ONS's with strangers; they had known AJ and Julian for some time - long enough to be aware of their backgrounds and families. I feel sorry for Leo and Michael for who their mothers are (and in Michael's case, having Sonny as a father role model), but not for Olivia or Carly.

What?! Since when does Ned have a son? Also, didn't he and Olivia just get back together in fall (2016)??

I don't think SB played Erin as needy about a dad; she thinks of Voight as "dad." However, it was emotionally gratifying for her thinking that her biological father cared enough about her to keep years of childhood pictures Bunny sent him, and said he wanted to get to know her. I've heard of real-life situations where adopted children very much loved the parents who raised them, but still longed for a connection to their biological parents. They re-united with the biological parents, learned that they weren't given up out or rejection, and formed healthy relationships with them. Erin knows Bunny has been involved with at least a few losers. It seems she was a tiny bit happy thinking that the man whose DNA she inherited didn't just get Bunny pregnant, go to prison and never thought of/cared about Bunny or her child again (after being aware of the pregnancy). I totally get that she warmed to Jimmy a little bit, understanding that he didn't reject/abandon/ignore her and her mom. I don't think she was being naive, so much as enjoying the possibility that finally her mother would not be an awful parent and human being, that her biological father could be a decent guy who cared about both of them, and that her two parents could get along. (As opposed to Bunny and Voight having contempt for one another). I'm sure "normalcy" felt great - Jay said something about it being a "fantasy" and Erin's response was if it is, just let her live in it/enjoy it for a moment. What she's experiencing is not something Jay can fully understand, as he was raised by stable parents he knows loved him. (We know his mother died, but I think it's been implied that happened in his adult life/ within the last 10 years.)

Look at it from the phone's POV - drowning/hypothermia or more of being attached to/used by Franco? Easy choice, there ya go. :P

I thought he said "you wish" meaning 'you wish you could have had me' and 'you wish *I* (a dude with a real job who loves Erin) could have been Erin's father, instead of one of your loser exes.' He said he hadn't said that in 30 years, and I was wondering if that meant she threw herself at him 30 years ago while drunk or high, he turned her down, but she was so out of it then (and has resented him so much over the years) that she convinced herself they did have a ONS and wants him to think that the mighty Hank did once 'slum it' w/her (maybe thinks he can't prove otherwise because he was under the influence too). I figure that's possible with how Bunny thinks because she urged Erin not to tell their ex-con visitor that he's not her father. Bunny has no problem lying and manipulating to suit an agenda. In this case, the agenda is to get Erin angry at Hank/cause a problem between Erin and Hank because she just resents him so much. There are alcoholics/drug addicts who want attention or just want to cause trouble and so they tell people stuff that literally never happened, but they repeat the lies to themselves so much that they genuinely come to believe their lie is truth. My bet is "Red Herring" as you suggested.

How did Erin get "Lindsay" as a last name? An ex-husband of Bunny's, maybe? I'm wondering because both Bunny and not-bio-dad-Jimmy's last names were said tonight. And suddenly, Erin has a good female friend from childhood? If she loves Erin so much, how does she not know that Erin has a job she loves working for the man who raised her, and is living with a boyfriend she loves? I assume Erin's going to hear about the exchange between Bunny and Hank. I get that Bunny is implying he could be the bio-father, but I couldn't figure out whether they had a ONS and she knows he wishes it never happened, or if the "You wish" was she came on to him 30 years ago and he rejected her. Why couldn't Al have said "Kim" or Burgess" to Hank when she's right there with them, instead of "the kid"? Not a fan of Burgess, but I hated that.

It is interesting, and while there are some similarities, I don't agree with the author. The Yale background is an obvious similarity. However, I remember Logan's mother specifically told Logan and Rory at the family dinner that Rory was the wrong fit for the family because she "wasn't raised that way," i.e. like Emily, able/expecting and wanting to take on full-time social/status responsibilities that would come with being High Society Wife. Emily had told her that Rory wanted to be a journalist/career woman. Later when Emily confronted her about what she's said to Logan and Rory, there was also a line implying that the Gilmore Family wealth was beneath their family's wealth. That's what prompted Emily to call her out for being a cocktail waitress when Mitchum met her. Logan has "fun Chris" in him, and in the revival, the Chris tendency to not be upfront and honest with Rory. I recently re-watched Rory's "Coming out" to High Society episode, where Christopher does not behave like a platonic friend toward Lorelai. He dances with her in Patty's studio, is flirty, and doesn't pull away from her light kiss on the lips...then says he has to get back because he has a live-in girlfriend. My brain thought, "Logan behavior." It reminded me of Logan acting boyfriendish - but then she says she's open to staying with him in London, or staying longer ... and his responses or silence clue her in that she's not the top priority as Logan has given her the impression. He acknowledges that yes, Odette is visiting and staying with him. Then later -yes, Odette has moved in. (We even see 'Odette' asleep in the bed in the middle of the night, when he's sitting on the edge of the bed, with the nightstand light on, talking to Rory on his cell phone.) Also, when Lorelai and Chris were briefly married, Chris had a line that he felt like he'd been asking Lor to marry him for 20(?) years and I thought "puh-lease" because it had been established he'd bounced from gf to gf, and then moved to Boston so Sherry wouldn't break up with him. Then he and Lorelai slept together before Sookie's wedding because he figured it was probably over between him and Sherry. We know he went back and married Sherry because she was pregnant. A guy who behaves like this, IMO, wasn't madly in love w/Lor and wanting to marry her all that time. I got that same impression from Logan in the revival, where his actions do not say "love of my life." I find Revival version of Logan more comparable to Series version of Chris, because Chris was supposed to be early/mid-30s at that time. Logan is comparable to Richard because of his family's wealth, and his own ambition and career drive. Logan has interests/intellect like Richard. By his own admission, Chris envied that Lorelai knew what she wanted and went after that. At about age 50, Chris "caved and went into the family biz." As far as we know, Richard was unlike Chris and Logan in that he always loved and was faithful to Emily. There weren't any hints that he'd ever had an affair. I don't think that 32-year-old Rory sleeping with her ex while he's engaged is at all comparable to college-age Edward, in a relationship with Pennylyn, falling in love with Emily, breaking up with Pennylyn, and marrying Emily. Rory knew quite well what they were doing was wrong/deceitful/sleazy, otherwise she wouldn't have lied to Lorelai, then looked ashamed when she confessed and Lorelai was all 'isn't he engaged?' and 'being with Logan is more slutty than sleeping with a wookie.'

My response was a rebuttal to 'Logan's proposal is the first time he took the lead in their relationship.' She was not leading their relationship and/or making the decisions for the two of them. I used the Chinese dinner, the LBD adventures and asking her to move in as examples because she was not the one to suggest going out, or to make the big jump with the umbrellas. Nor did she pressure him to say 'move in with me.' I didn't think it was a bad thing for him to ask her to share his home.

I also hate that so much was left to the imagination regarding their affair in the revival. I wanted to know how they got into this "Vegas" arrangement. The audience saw Logan propose to Rory -regardless of what his dad wanted - right before she graduated. (ASP deciding to ignore that history is a really poor choice.) It does NOT make any sense for a formerly serious couple to backtrack to such an arrangement years later without a, or several, really good reasons. AB played it more like Rory was in love with Logan, but telling herself she was fine with their 'not truly together' situation because Logan wasn't going to commit. I was disgusted once I realized she hadn't broken up with Paul, and never thought of him. While Matt may believe Logan is in love with Rory, I didn't really see that conveyed in the acting or the writing. Logan didn't look at her like he couldn't live without her. I didn't hear heavy emotion in his voice. He tried to avoid letting her know when Odette was visiting, and then moving in with him. Their last scenes at that B&B seemed to imply that Logan would miss the companionship and sex they had going on (easy due to their history) - not that the great love of his life was walking away. No eyes turning reddish, or tears welling up. In the revival, we never once heard him say "I love you" nor was it implied he whispered it to her. He never said a word about longing to have a real relationship with her (again) and get out of his engagement to Odette. No line like "Wish we were planning a future, instead. Wish we could talk about having kids someday" when she asked him if he still intended to marry Odette. I thought AB played that like she was giving Logan an opportunity to say he loved her and would be willing to end his engagement. He never had a look of regret on his face about being engaged. I noticed during that brief lunch scene that Mitchum did not imply that Logan was doing his family duty by getting engaged, or that he cared one iota about Logan's choice of wife. He said Logan "got himself engaged." Maybe ASP wanted Logan to continue to be that guy from Season 5, who wanted to enjoy life (including women) before taking on the future his father had planned for him. Yet in the revival he is not 22, obeying his father so he can make it in the big world as a young college grad. Early/mid-30s Logan appears to be working and successful, have enough money for a nice apartment, to go out and enjoy lunches and get-aways, etc. So the "dynastic plan" line rang false to me.

IMO it wasn't the first time. Examples I remember include him saving their relationship by helping her save the Yale Daily News on a deadline (using the Huntzberger name), inviting her to move in with him after Paris kicked her out of their apartment, and asking her to go to Martha's Vineyard for Valentine's Day (they agreed she would invite Lorelai and Luke). Much of their relationship involved Rory going along with what Logan (and the LDB) had planned. I agree about them needing a quick ending for a series drama. She says no to marriage they could try long-distance, he says no and "Goodbye Rory" and just walks away looking disappointed. Neither one looks like they're about to burst into tears over this relationship being over after all the "I love you" to each other and his public proposal that he wanted to be with her always. Very abrupt ending.