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Ugh... what a shocker (not). So Tina will be told/looped in and joining Team Arrow after only a few weeks (if that long)? I really don't understand the logic of this show. Oliver & Felicity are too busy to work on a relationship with each other, but Felicity is not too busy to date Billy. And Oliver will not be too busy to work on his personal life, which presumably includes women (Susan, Tina).

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I think that 509 will end with Team Arrow seeing a news report of Black Canary sightings in Hub City. That will be the EPs' hook for getting people to return after the mid-season break to watch 510.

Allison Brennan and Lavinia Kent analyze 'Arrow' episode 'So It Begins': Who is Prometheus? By: Allison Brennan and Lavinia Kent | November 11, 2016 5:08 pm http://happyeverafter.usatoday.com/2016/11/11/allison-brennan-lavinia-kent-recap-arrow-so-it-begins/

Agents of GEEK Podcast Episode 50 Craig Wack & Tatiana Torres 11/11/2016 http://agentsofgeekpodcast.com/wordpress/ -- Craig said that this was another episode of Oliver not trusting his team, which Craig found very frustrating. Tatiana liked this episode and noted that Oliver was trusting Felicity and Diggle, and that Diggle also didn't trust the new kids. Tatiana also liked that Felicity was trying to keep the entire team "cohesive together." Craig said that it's time for Oliver to start trusting his team. -- Tatiana liked that they fleshed out Evelyn's character a little more, but she was confused about the ending with Quentin. Craig said that it was supposed to make you think that Quentin is Prometheus. Tatiana: "There's no way." -- They noted that when Felicity told Billy about working with the GA, instead of getting angry, Billy just got "aroused" and became like this GA "fanboy." Tatiana: "Do you want a date with him? Calm down!" Craig said that "that went in a weird, romantic direction in a hurry." He wondered why they made EBR "arch her back and twist her hip" like that, saying that that "must have been the most uncomfortable kiss in the history of television." Tatiana said that it was just a "sign" that they shouldn't be together because it was "awful." Craig said that it will just lead to "terrible back problems" for Felicity if she continues dating Billy. -- Craig said that Oliver is "just a terrible leader." Right now, Oliver is just seeing the new recruits as "pawns." Craig noted that there are "two certified geniuses" among the new recruits: Curtis and Evelyn (who last season took Cisco's Canary Cry device and "souped it up in about an hour"). So he should have Evelyn make some tech and help out Felicity on the investigation side. Tatiana said that Oliver is bad at delegating. Craig said that Oliver sees all the new recruits like Wild Dog. Rory is "legitimately superpowered so you don't have to worry about him." But Curtis and Wild Dog need some tech to help them out in the field. -- They both liked the episode overall though.

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We found out in 501 that Lt. Frank Pike (played by Adrian Holmes) is now Captain of the SCPD.

This episode had a surprising number of scenes involving OTA, O/D and O/F. Here's what happened (video clips are courtesy of Arrow on youtube)... Prometheus is killing seemingly random people in Star City by throwing a metal star into their necks. The media has dubbed the serial killer the "Throwing Star Killer." Detective Malone is in charge of the police investigation. OTA are working to investigate the killing of Tobias Church and others. Felicity wants to bring in the new recruits right away, but both Oliver and Diggle disagree. Diggle doesn't trust them and Oliver wants to protect them. When Oliver does decide to bring them in later, the new recruits are disgruntled at Team Arrow being segregated into an "A" team (who knows everything first) and a "B" team (who's only brought into the loop later). Felicity and Curtis figure out that the victims have names that are anagrams of names that were on Oliver's list in S1. (By the way, I don't know why Felicity needed Curtis' help on the victimology algorithm. She would've done it all by herself in the past. It was like we had to be reminded that Curtis was both a computer whiz and a field operative.) Oliver is forced to tell the new recruits that he was working off a kill list four years ago. The newbies then learn that Oliver was the Hood and the Arrow, as well as the Green Arrow. They do not take the news of Oliver being a past serial killer well, esp. Evelyn. There are scenes where she is reconsidering her participation in Team Arrow, where she tries to take on Prometheus by herself without calling in the team and has to be rescued by Oliver (the team had split up to guard six potential victims), and where she and Oliver have a reconciliation talk which concludes her mini-arc. Oh, and Felicity offers to talk with Evelyn because she's "kinda an expert when it comes to finding out ugly things about Oliver's past. Actually, I'm the leading expert." But Evelyn shuts her down. Also, Black Canary's name comes up again... Evelyn: "You convinced me to not get revenge on Ruvé Darhk for my parents because killing would tarnish the Black Canary's legacy. How are you anything other than a hypocrite?" Oliver: "First, it would have tarnished her legacy. Second, you knew that I was a killer when you came on board." Evelyn: "Not a serial killer." We also learn that Felicity put trackers in all the newbies' suits after Wild Dog was kidnapped. The newbies later have a meeting among themselves to discuss their being shut out of the loop and learning that Oliver was a serial killer. Oliver and Diggle have a heart-to-heart, where Oliver is wondering whether he's really changed since four years ago. Oliver says that he wants to move forward and is trying to move forward, but he feels stuck. Diggle reassures Oliver that he's evolved since then, that S1 Oliver killed as a first resort, not last resort, and that S1 Oliver wouldn't even be asking the question. (Diggle = the voice of the writers.) Malone had received one of the throwing stars in an evidence bag. Diggle says to Felicity that it would be nice if they could get a throwing star to analyze and strongly hints that she could get one from her police detective boyfriend. So Felicity steals the throwing star from off Malone's desk at the police station while visiting him. Felicity figures out that the throwing stars were made from the metal of various arrows used by Oliver back when he was killing people on his list. Those arrows were in police lock-up which means - dun, dun, dun - that Prometheus is likely a member of the SCPD. Felicity confesses to Malone that she is working for the Green Arrow and that she stole his throwing star evidence. He takes the news surprisingly well. And, yes, they're still together: Oliver still has not asked Susan out on a date, although Susan reminded him that the clock is ticking on both his one-month reprieve from media attacks, as well as "the other thing." During the episode, Thea and Felicity each jokingly refer to Susan as Oliver's girlfriend... Felicity: "Your new girlfriend certainly knows how to whip a city into a frenzy." Oliver: "Excuse me?" Felicity: "Thea might have mentioned something about you dating Susan Williams." Oliver: "I'm not dating Susan Williams. Did the person that you're dating actually give you that?" Felicity: "No. I might have stolen it off his desk." Oliver: "Are you kidding?" Felicity: "I generally don't kid about something that could get me 10 years at Iron Heights."(*) (* Yes, this is the same Felicity who, two weeks ago, was concerned about Oliver committing felonies by breaking Diggle out of prison. Consistency is not Arrow's strong point.) Bethany Snow (on monitor): "Reports are just coming in that someone spotted the throwing star killer at an outdoor shopping mall, inciting widespread panic that is threatening to spill into nearby streets and homes." Felicity: "Well, I hope your new girlfriend is happy with herself." Oliver: "Let's call the team and have them meet me there." Felicity: "All of them?" Oliver: "All of them. They deserve to know that this has escalated. Stop calling Susan Williams my girlfriend." Felicity: "Yes, sir." Thea finds out that Quentin is still drinking and neglecting his deputy mayor duties again, but she refuses to give up on him. Episode ends with Quentin alone at his apartment looking at a bloody wound on his arm and picking up a throwing star from his coffee table. Earlier, when rescuing Evelyn, Oliver wounded Prometheus in the arm with an arrow. Obviously, we're supposed to believe that Quentin is Prometheus, but, like many of you, I don't buy it. I think there's something more. Quentin looked confused by his arm wound and the presence of the throwing star. Maybe we are supposed to believe that Quentin has gone psychotic and is killing during alcoholic blackouts and then forgetting about it, but that seems unlikely. The more reasonable explanation is that Prometheus is setting Quentin up. While Quentin was passed out in an alcoholic stupor, Prometheus could've entered his apartment, wounded Quentin on the arm, and planted the throwing star. In flashbacks, Oliver learns that Kovar is making a move against the Bratva. At Bratva's request, Oliver assumes his rich playboy persona in order to get close to Kovar's people, as a potential investor, and plant a bomb in Kovar's casino, but instead he is captured by Kovar. (I've totally forgotten, but why was Oliver seeking Kovar in the first place? I thought he was in Russia to find Taiana's family.) Additional thoughts: Felicity's one-line quips sometimes seemed forced during this episode - like she was automatically triggered to provide comic relief at periodic intervals. I just remember it being much more natural in S1 and S2. Maybe because so much has happened to her, Oliver and Diggle since then that the frequency doesn't seem as appropriate any more. The action stunts in this episode were tedious - like I'd seen them all before. The zip line stunt, where Oliver, Curtis and Diggle zip-lined from the rooftop to the ground, was something I'm pretty sure was done on the show before. The parachute arrow, which Oliver used to extract himself, Evelyn and the train conductor from a speeding train, was used just earlier this season - although the parachute is now green. (roll my eyes)

I also feel so disheartened. I just try to tell myself that no one stays on top forever and no one stays on the bottom forever. The wheel will turn - maybe slowly, but it will turn... From HRC's concession speech yesterday: Why HRC wore purple for her concession speech: From Paul Ryan's 'sucking-up' press conference yesterday: From Bernie Sanders' statement yesterday:

I just checked the EW article link - they have corrected the spelling of EBR's name (so I corrected it in the quote above). Someone must have notified them of the mistake.

I was especially struck by this part of SA's quote: "They kept people from the previous team and they were still integral to the story, but it really gave it an injection of new blood, because you never know when you're going to strike lightning in a bottle with a character and it's going to breathe new life into a show." Ever since they inadvertently struck lightning in a bottle with EBR's Felicity in S1, they've been trying to do it again and again. I think they did it with CL's Sara/Canary in S2. The EPs believe they did it with EK's Curtis in S4. This season, I see them intentionally trying to strike lightning in a bottle with RG's Wild Dog - and most likely with the Tina character in 511 if she becomes NuCanary. But here's the thing... lightning strikes unexpectedly, it can't be forced.

I just read that HRC won the popular vote.

By the way, I just read that HRC won the popular vote...

From the above-linked EW article...

Remember these tweets by Brian Ford Sullivan back in July?... And here's the source of SA's House quote...

This article was linked in one of the fan reply tweets in that Ben Sokolowski twitter discussion (see Social Media thread) - the whole thing is worth reading so I didn't quote anything... Arrow Isn’t Arrow: Our Writers Weigh In Nov. 8, 2016 ALYSSA BARBIERI http://fangirlish.com/arrow-isnt-arrow-our-writers-weigh-in/