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I think they could go with Rory's Baby Daddy being a random one night stand. It would be a bit of a switcheroo but I think it would almost be preferable to it being Logan. They did set the precedent be having her have a one night stand during the revival...

I think most of the original cast appearances worked well to be honest. Digger and Chris surprisingly weren't there to cause drama between Lorelai and Luke. In fact I think its the only time Chris has been in an episode solely to interact with Rory...? Jess seemed a natural fit, as did April. But the LADB was contrived, as was Logan being in all four episodes. They should have used that time better. And what exactly was the purpose of Logan's Dad? I presumed it was to out the affair at a later stage but that never happened. Some of the PH and celebrity chef appearances were a bit jarring too...I think Peter Krause's scene worked really well but Jason Ritter seemed out of place. And Mae Whitman was wasted in her 15 second appearance. She is a fabulous actress and its a shame to see her there for novelty factor alone.

Overall I think the revival was worthwhile, but it depresses me that the wonderful 16yr old Rory we had in Season 1 ends up a pregnant mistress. Sad. (IMO it cant be the Wookie's kid because she slept with him in spring). Does leave things open for more of course. And it wouldn't surprise me if Netflix asked them back given how much anticipation this issue brought and that reviews have been generally positive. I would of course watch but Rory carrying an engaged man's child really is a bummer. Good things (in no particular order): - Rory kissing her grandfather's portrait hello - Lorelai blowing a kiss goodbye to Jess - Chris' scene - finally an honest conversation between Rory and him about her childhood. Her facial expression when he asked her if she knew he loved her broke my heart. - The right amount of Kirk & Taylor scenes - LL wedding - Rory being so passionate about The Stars Hollow Gazette - Scene with April, Rory, Lorelai, Luke - Lorelai's vulnerability towards Rory's book idea was an interesting and intriguing turn of events. Its not something I would have expected. That she is still so fearful over Emily's opinion of her younger self and of her capacity as a mother is huge. - Laugh out loud moments for me - "To Noam is to love him"; Sookie practially diving into the sink trying to decipher the cooking scents; Lorelai bending over with backpack when JasonRitterRangerGuy told her her laces were open Bad things (other than the aformentioned pregnancy status) - Not enough Lorelai/Rory scenes - Too many silences - mainly re Lorelai and her Wild adventure. Way too much time spent on her packing her backpack in the motel. Especially given that it was a carbon copy of the actual scene from the movie. Boring. Also the buildup to her call to Emily had about 90 seconds of silence before it. - Luke's hair - The LADB. Waaaay too much time. I loathe them - Stars Hollow Musical scenes - unnecessary. Even though I love Sutton Foster more than life - Underutilisation of April, Jess, Chris, Sookie (though we knew beforehand that she would be in just one scene) - Too much Logan - Ditching the therapist arc in typical Sherman-Palladino style. Of course shes a crazy musical loving loon who Lorelai can no longer respect!! - Rory being so lacking in self awareness (the affair with an engaged Logan, the Paul thing, falling asleep when interviewing the guy in the line, not being prepared for he Susie meeting)

Exactly Shron. My first instinct with MW's statement is not to jump to a wedding. There's a multitude of more likely words that could fill in those blanks: "The FESTIVAL/TOWN MEETING which I RUN/ORGANISE/ATTEND/RUIN" I think 'MURDER which I SOLVE' is as plausible given how little we know at this point.

I agree 100% txhorns79. I think it would be too much of a shift to see Lorelai be a mother to another child without looking at how that impacts on her relationship with Rory. Given the premise of the show, it would be very odd not to address that. So landing back into Stars Hollow after 8yrs to see Lorelai with a young child would be so odd IMO. Same goes for the LL relationship, though not to the same extent.

I would be super surprised if Lorelai & Luke have more kids in the revival. Yes both wanted kids with each other in Season 5/6, (although neither expressed such a desire to the other), but that was before April arrived out of nowhere. I think if LL did get back together/stay together since 7.22 they would have taken things very slowly and decided 1) not to "throw another sucker in there" or 2) by the time they felt their relationship was strong enough to handle a baby, it was too late for them biologically. And I can see April being enough of the children department for Luke. I think he would have liked to really know her before having a second child. Also from a narrative point of view, I think it's very difficult to add a new main character (a LL child) into the mix of well established lead players without any background or build up. I think it would feel forced.

Lorelai in 3.01: Rory: Not fair. Lorelai: Yes fair. The fairest. The Snow White of fair. It's just so witty! I also love this exchange in 4.05: Babette: One day you'll walk out of the house and 'Pow!'. Colour coming out of your yinyang. Lorelai: I'm going to have colour coming out of my yinyang. Rory: Well then maybe you'll finally get a man. AB's deadpan delivery and LG's mock horrified/amused expression are priceless! I also love some of the Lorelai/Kirk exchanges. The scene in the diner post Dance Marathon where Kirk gloats with his trophy is great. Lorelai's annoyance is hilarious. Kirk: My trophy is so large it's almost like a weapon. Lorelai: Can I hold it then?

I too want SF's character to be in Lorelai's world and in a positive way. I think it would make sense for Lorelai to have made new female friend(s) since we last saw her. Given that Rory is likely not in Stars Hollow too often and especially if Sookie is MIA. She's a sociable creature. Wasn't there a spoiler back in Season 5 or 6 (5 I think) where Emily was to get close to a woman of Lorelai's age within the DAR circles? And then the storyline mever came to pass for whatever reason. So perhaps that is seeing the light of day now? I'm sure I didn't imagine it! I'll try to find it. Having LG and SF in the same scene would be awesome. Edited. Found it! Scroll to end. http://www.tvguide.com/news/gilmore-girls-100-40204/

My UO is that I don't need to see the whole gamut of GG characters in the revival. For example, it doesn't make sense for ALL of Lane/Paris/Logan/Jess/Dean to appear in any sort of meaningful way. Yes, lets see the Townies, but we don't need to see them all or to endure a rambling Kirk subplot for the sake of some misguided nostalgia. However my guess is that because we are already without Richard and (most likely) Sookie, we'll have to suffer through inane filler where Rory magically bumps into Logan, Jess AND Dean for some Awkward!Flirting! Gah. Also, count me in with those who most definitely don't want to see a Luke/Lorelai wedding or pregnancy. Either they married in the 8yrs since the season finale or they never will. And at 45yrs or so, Lorelai is past the believable babymaking age. I want them do to a revival in order to continue the story and not just do the trite Wedding/Baby/Kissed My Ex filler. Do something of substance or don't bother IMO.

So they're building sets without having had the principle cast members sign up?

Excellent point, yes. Talent availability is probably a nightmare to merge with a shorter shooting schedule.

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Wow! It's all becoming so real! Thoughts: - the 'shooting period' is 21 weeks. That seems very long for just 4x 90 minute episodes, no? Or does that period include post production? 4x 90 minute episodes is the same as 8 episodes of its original run which I believe were all shot in about 8 days... - if rumours of Alexis Bledel's pregnancy are true then with this timeline I don't see how they can't but write it into the show. Of course there's all the usual tv tricks they can use, but since this is a once of deal, why not just wait until after her pregnancy to shoot unless they are going to have Rory pregnant? Also, God Forbid she had any health issues, production would have to be halted given that she is the co-lead. Perhaps then the 21 week shooting period includes a break where AB is due her baby? Or perhaps it was only a rumour after all...

They also did the same to Dean. To be honest, despite it being the first Season, I think Season 1 was where the majority of the characters were at their most complex. As the years went by they became more one dimensional (and in turn increasingly shrill/dense/twee/obtuse/grouchy) - see Luke, Dean, Sookie, Emily, Lorelai, Paris, Christopher, Kirk etc etc.

I think that the tone of the revival is key. If it's all whacky hijinks, Townies overload then I think the whole thing will be a waste of time. But if ASP pitches it more along the dramedy themes of seasons 1/2 then I think the revival could be fantastic. Richard's death has infinite potential to impact on Lorelai, Emily & Rory individually, in their relationships with each other, and in their relationships with others. (As sad as it is that Ed Hermann has passed away & as much as I can't really picture a revival without him at this point). All three Gilmore Girls would likely deal with such a devastating loss in a different way and there are obvious impacts on other dynamics such as Rory/Christopher; Lorelai/Luke etc. Given how crucial Richard was to the original show, and how respected, adored and missed EH is by the cast, I'd like to think that Richard's passing is too significant an event to be treated with anything other than class and dignity. Lorelai & Sookie dealscoring at the coffin just won't work here. Which makes me think that the revival will open in the immediate aftermath of his death, thus setting the tone more along the pitch of Season 1. It could actually be beautifully done if there's a real desire to produce something of substance and not just pump out a revival for revival's sake. One can only live in hope! I do find it odd however that the news leaked back in Oct and yet we still have no official confirmation. Is this the norm with Netflix productions - to have this much secrecy until filming is complete?

I agree. I'm excited to see the show come alive again, but there are two definites that really are not part of the Gilmore Girls show I know and love: 1. No Richard. 2. April cant be ignored.

On a purely shallow note, Ryan looked absolutely smoking hot in the 2.5 seconds we saw him. Eyerolls galore at 1) smiley Max and 2) hugging-his-baby-sister Max - seriously WTF?

And you have updated the truly outstanding and engrossing 'A Year in the Hollow'! https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10341736/14/A-Year-in-the-Hollow DFC, your fics are the icing on the Cake of Life!

I love Lorelai's respose to Emily's enquiry into her romantic life in season 4: EMILY: And what about you - any men sniffing around? LORELAI: Um, just on trash day That episode has some great lines actually: LORELAI: Why the hell did we have to meet at 9?! EMILY: Is it absolutely necessary for you to talk like Sharon Osborne? ...... EMILY: But you hate football LORELAI: Well I'm not the huge fan that, say, you are Mom LG's delivery is spot on.

Junienmomo, that certainly is a hardcore list of Lorelai transgressions. But some of those things were down to her own insecurities and misguided 'heart in the right place' behaviour. Nobody is perfect. Namely one Luke Danes: - says he's 'all in' but bails at the first sign of trouble - leaves the Gilmores' wedding reception in a huff without allowing Lorelai the chance to explain. Leaving her without a ride in the process - reacts explosivley to Chris' message on the answering machine but refuses to discuss his anger and instead passive-agressively makes a scene in front of Sookie & Jackson before storming off mid argument (again) - keeps April a secret from Lorelai for two months - keeps April a secret from Lorelai for two months right after HIS insistence they not keep secrets from each other - introduces April to Jess before introducing her to Lorelai - makes a derogatory comment to Lorelai about her getting pregnant at 16yrs - only has the guts to go back to Lorelai after Emily Gilmore tells him it's what he should do Nothing is black & white and nobody can be expected to be perfect all the time. But Lorelai certainly wasn't the only character in GG to show inconsideration, selfishness & pure ignorance at times.

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Yes Taryn maybe it's just that last line. Thanks! I totally understand the bit with regards to Lane/Mrs Kim and Lorelai wanting to do right by them both. And Lane's safety is important to Lorelai too of course.

I'm not sure if this is a nitpick or if it's me just not getting it, but in season 1 - Double Date - what was the big deal about Rory 'lying to her mother'? I've seen this episode so many times and I've never been able to figure it out lol. Yes, Rory left out that she, Lane & Dean were going to meet that other boy so that they could all double date. But technically Rory didn't lie about what she herself was doing. Lorelai knew she was at the movies, and Lorelai also knew that both Dean & Lane were with her. Sure, she didn't know that other guy was there, but with regards to Rory his prescence was totally irrelevant. I just never got why Lorelai was so miffed (although it's one of times where Lorelai really acts like the Mom so I do like that aspect). And as much as I love the line "I need to know where you are at all times, especially when you have my shoes on", Lorelai did know where Rory was and who she was with. Huh?

To be honest I'm happy with just LG, AB and ASP being there. I'd gladly take Ed Herrmann, Kelly Bishop & Liza Weil too, but the rest I can do without. I want some fun behind the scenes insights and I want some in depth character analysis with regards to Lorelai/Rory. I couldn't care less about any conversation on the merits of Luke v Chris or Logan v Jess. Mainly I want there to be some decent discussion as to how seasons 6 & 7 came to be the utter mess they were - namely Lorelai & Rory acting OOC for the most part. I want some explanation of the Lorelai/Rory rift; Rory becoming a bit of an entitled lady; Lorelai's dating/marrying Christopher despite him being out of Rory's entire life for the most part etc. I need some better explanation of those types of things because I have never been able to understand the reasoning or character motivation for those events. Where was the payoff for the Lorelai/Rory rift? They never hashed things out. Why was Rory not in the least bit resentful that her mother was going to help raise her father's other child with him after he couldn't have been bothered to be a father to Rory herself for most of her life? How in God's name did a long lost daughter seem like anything other than a terrible idea? And besides, I just cant see any reason for Jared or Milo to be there - Milo because, awkward much? And Jared because I don't think anyone gave a hoot about Dean after season 4.Matt C perhaps. SP, yes. But I'd be very surprised if either of MV or JP were there.