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He's already say they exist on the show. And no one's losing their minds over it or anything, we're just speculating.

Unless they use it on Laurel.

Haha, true. You can stay on a short-term basis, smarmy DJ. We'll reconsider you at a later date.

In person? That must be why Maseo says what he says about Oliver needing to be worried about what was going on in his city in his absence. Did Maseo go to SC to do some recon? Maybe he lets the team know Oliver's alive?

Another thought: any chance Laurel bites it doing something stupid, they Lazarus Pit her and she gets her Canary Cry?

ZOMBIE!TOMMY

Did he maybe do it by accident? Because I don't see it in his timeline. ETA: unless it wasn't recent, haha

Yeah, but I feel like that was different because it was a) past tense and b) not said directly to her. I just don't feel like they'd have Oliver say, "I don't want you doing this because I love you" or "because you're a woman I love" (which just sounds stupid) to Laurel at this point in time (if ever). Unless Slade brought him in on some master plan to finish exacting revenge on Oliver through Thea. Of course, we'd have to wonder how Slade managed to do that from Lian Yu, unless...well, who knows.

I initially thought it was Laurel too. I suppose he could come back in 3x12 and let her know he doesn't want her on the team, and then 3x13 deals with the fallout of that. The only issue with it being Laurel is that I really think that because Oliver's confessed his love to Felicity this season that if Oliver used his feelings for Laurel as a reason for not wanting her out on the streets fighting, I think he'd tell her he cares about her instead of that he loves her. I think that he does love her, but...I just think there would definitely be a distinction there. So her rebuttal would be "I don't want to be a woman you care about."

How do you use it on your face? Just dab some on instead of a moisturizer or what?

IIRC, per a spoiler that was posted a while back, she jumps out of that window and grabs onto a rope dangling from a helicopter, doesn't she? And obviously I can't judge until I see the episodes, but she actually seems pretty capable to me in every clip I've seen, even the one where it looks like she gets stabbed. It seems like her "not being very good" or whatever isn't going to be so much about her being a terrible fighter and getting hurt because she's generally awful, but getting hurt because she's not focused and doing crazy shit.

Right, but I don't think it would be like Felicity to throw Oliver's past in his face. And her questioning her spot among the women he has at one point loved is also strange, because it implies that she thinks he's still in the act of loving them, which, yeah, he probably is, but not romantically. She has no reason at all to believe he still actively romantically loves or wants to be with any of the previous women he was with, so why would she state a need to be singled out among all of them? She could question why he pursued a relationship with McKenna and Sara and wanted to pursue one with Laurel until Tommy died, but I really don't want a "why them but not me" scenario. It'd be like she's asking him to choose, when he has chosen - he's not with any of those women anymore. Unless she's saying I don't want to be like all the others, I want to be the only one, which...it's still a weird way to phrase it and again, they're just not at a point where I think Felicity would make a demand like that.

It doesn't have to be weird. Malcolm could say something along the lines of "I promised myself after (his wife) died that I'd go to any lengths to protect the women I love," or something (even though we all know that's bullshit or whatever). Then Thea could tell him that she doesn't want to be one of them. Or maybe it's a callback to something Malcolm told Rebecca, and that's something she left on one of the voicemails she left him as she was dying.

Plus, her saying she wants to be "the woman" instead of "a woman" implies that she thinks there are others that she wants to be ahead of. There haven't been, and she has no reason to think that there are.

Yeah, she did. I'm pretty sure you can find it on YouTube. It was during the DC panel that had members from the Arrow, Flash, Constantine, and Gotham casts.

Maybe "The Return" is their return to the island? Oliver's in SC in flashbacks and on the island in present day? IDK.

This would be good. I'm not trying to bury my head in the sand, obviously, since we know something heartbreaking/awful is going to happen at the end of 3x12, but I really don't think that "I don't want to be a woman you love," is something that Felicity says to Oliver. Maybe it's another parallel, like Rebecca says this in the past and Thea says it in the present? To me, "a" woman you love just makes it seem like the speaker is talking about a non-romantic love.

The BC trilogy hasn't started yet-it's 11-13.

I've been thinking about this...what are the chances that when Oliver returns, Felicity just wants to push aside all the BS and be with him, because she knows life's too short and she already lost him once, and the last thing he ever said to her was "I love you." She tells him how she feels, kisses him or whatever, and he pushes her away and tells her that he's got to really let go of Oliver Queen or some other such nonsense, and she's finally had enough, and that's why she's mad as hell? It's basically a rehash of 3x01 - they wouldn't do that yet again, would they? But...I just feel like any Olicity moment that ends with her being angry is going to be the result of Oliver being the dumb shit that he is. Sure, it could have something to do with Malcolm or Ra's, but I kind of get the feeling that Oliver won't be back for long in 3x12, and the show won't really be dealing with any kind of fallout from him being gone until 3x13 (Laurel with the team, etc.). But then there's the issue of "someone" coming between them...unless that someone is the Arrow. IDK.

Count Vertigo is in this ep, and there was a Laurel/Vertigo scene that we have BTS video of. So that fight must actually happen in SC, since it's a Vertigo-induced hallucination.

With that toque, backpack, and the stubble, Stephen kind of looks like he was picked up off the side of the road. Kind of like Brad Pitt in Thelma and Louise, but in a colder climate.

I think he was referring to either him, Diggle and Felicity being back on Lian Yu (I honestly can't remember if he said "he's where" or "they're where" - I have vague recollections of both, haha) or Oliver being in Hong Kong at the end of 2x23.

There was talk of her being cast as the main character's psycho ex girlfriend. Maybe she's trying to make that happen?

Yep.

Oh, he's coming for Felicity. She jabbed him in the neck with a syringe full of the mirakuru cure. Whether he thinks Oliver loves her nor not, she's got to be at the top of his shit list.