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Thanks! I can't watch it right now and the comments had me curious.

Whatever's in that preview has some people on Spoiler TV all fired up about how Roy and Diggle are talking to her. What do they say?

He said it at the TCAs. And I think Laurel will be still going out and fighting crime or whatever, she just won't be doing it with Oliver (yet). Unless she does unbuckle for a few eps.

I was feeling not so grim at the prospect that regardless of what the outcome with Vertigo was (since Oliver bested him as himself instead of a hallucination) we might at least have a scene where Hallucination!Sara wins. I had forgotten about that tweet and now I feel grim again, haha.

Ah, good point. I forgot they went at it again. Ugh.ETA: At least the second time Oliver fought Vertigo. So if something similar happens we hopefully won't have to watch Hallucination!Sara lose to her lesser.

Am I for real the only one who thinks she'll lose ala Oliver in The Calm? That set off his whole "Oliver Queen vs. Arrow" dilemma. This is gonna set off her "Am I me or am I my sister" dilemma. We all know the answer, of course, but I'm of the firm belief Hallucination!Sara's kicking that ass. And then Laurel will realize she needs more training and she'll go off to Nyssa or some similar kind of mess.

I assume she'll fight Count Vertigo like Oliver did, and get her ass kicked like Oliver did. And I think the result of confronting her fear (which since she fights Sara as Canary instead of Sara as Sara is probably that she won't be as good a fighter or vigilante as Sara, which DING DING DING correct) will be for her to give up being BC (highly, highly unlikely) or double-down on her training with Nyssa or someone else who does more than box.

They definitely should've marketed this as a Team Arrow ep, especially since the dreaded "trilogy" doesn't start until 3x11.

Why wouldn't they just try to sell it as her not thinking she'll ever be as good a fighter/vigilante as Sara? It's a legit fear, because she won't, and it fits with her "dilemma" for this season.

From the synopsis, seems like he doesn't really want to witness the warrior in action. He wants the warrior to stop warrioring, haha.

I wonder if he has to make some kind of a deal or do something that he doesn't want to in order to get home? That maybe agreeing to do it weighs on him and he thinks it's something that would make Felicity not love him anymore? I can't imagine what other kind of nightmares he'd have about her, apart from her getting hurt or something.

OMG, is Lance gonna break up this fight like he did Oliver v. Arrow and actually have a heart attack this time?

Laurel's been distracted by everything this season since she never actually tried to find Sara's killer. It's all that boxing.

Oliver lost by choking himself, so...who knows. Who's she really going to be fighting though, Vertigo or someone else?

EPIC: Wow, that's huge. Whatever, I'm leaving it.

What could Laurel's biggest fear be that would involve Sara fighting her? That she wouldn't be good enough? Is Sara going to show up being all nasty like, "You'll never be as good as I am, you'll never fight like me, etc."? Because a lot of the audience will agree with her and what would be the point of that? Just to acknowledge in-show that Sara's better like, audience we hear you? Nothing good comes from showing Laurel in a fight with her (unless she unbuckles for a bit afterward).

AN EPIC FIGHT BETWEEN CANARY AND BLACK CANARY EPIC GUYS I'm calling shenanigans if Laurel doesn't get her ass kicked by Hallucination!Canary. Not even a drug-addled mind could make her the winner of that fight.

Wait, was it ever confirmed that line was in 3x12? I thought MG just said it was an "upcoming episode." It was speculated as being in 3x12 in an article, but I never saw anyone confirm it. I really hope that line is in a dream or a Vertigo hallucination or something that isn't actually real, because the wording is terrible.

Haha, wow. I was way off!

She said something at some point about (maybe) not being able to sleep and if he can't sleep either why don't they just go home together? Something like that? I can't find the quote though.

I thought he said it wouldn't be while Oliver was gone?

Maybe we're gonna get a front row seat to a moment or two of the Dyla honeymoon.

I don't actually think her moment as BC was that bad, generally speaking. She used Sara's sonic device to give her the upper hand, she hit a guy in the face with the staff, not exactly difficult. But then, then she had to go and say that ridiculous line. It's just way too early to be quippy. Shut up. I get what you're saying, but they did a terrible job of conveying this. If they wanted to go full-on Felicity is wrong and too emotional to be making decisions, they shouldn't have had Diggle and Roy getting their asses kicked in that fight or had that emotional decision Felicity made be the right one. I think maybe there will be an apology in the next episode, as they come together as a team again and try to figure out how to work together in their new normal without Oliver.

Are you talking about his Collider interview? Because either he wasn't asked about EBR or they cut those answers from the interview, so the upcoming BC arc could be spotlighted.

Well, Maseo did say that he called Tatsu in to bring him back to life, not to heal him. Unless that's just a big 'ol misdirect like Roy hearing the exact words Sara uttered when she died was just so we'd believe it could actually be him who killed her. But I was watching Oliver's glistening chest while the camera panned up to his face and he didn't appear to be breathing. Was that gasping breath meant to be his first after being brought back, or just his first conscious one? I hope it's the latter because I don't want some weird magic on this show.