Lorna Mae

Exactly: it would be stunt casting. When he was 9 and the character was 7, he looked like he could be Candace Bergen's son, but now he looks more like...John Goodman's son. (Too bad he's a little too old to play Jerry Conner!) Besides that, he's gone in a different direction as an actor. Young Skinner on the X-Files revival, for instance. A lot of edgy or broad comedy roles: whatever it takes to eclipse ISDP. I remember the line word-for-word: "Whoa, a little credit here! I was not 'running around' -- I was with one man! One man...one time." And that was Jake. Funny thing is, there was one episode during either her pregnancy or Avery's first year where Jerry tried living with her, as a blended-family kind of deal, but they found out that two abrasive people can't share a household. Anyway, there was no "either": it could only have been Jake.

Might have been slightly amusing if they'd never been trapped anywhere before. The McPoyles held them hostage; they were trapped in that family's house (epsiode was even called The Gang Gets Trapped); they quarantined themselves in the bar...Kept waiting for some new, unusual take on "The gang get stuck somewhere and have to find their way out". I suppose that would be Dennis's sex dungeon, but even that did not really figure into the plot.

Quick question: I'd read, before this season began, that there would be a scene with Gianni and Antonio walking along the beach. Gianni stumbles, Antonio starts to help him up and Gianni panics. "No, you can't! Paparazzi!" But I don't remember seeing that. Was there such a scene, and if so, what episode? ETA: Okay, thanks.

The hotel slippers -- was there a callback (callforward?) to them in an earlier episode?

Yes, of all the pre-Sanger birth control methods, I did not expect "jump on the sofa". I predicted the copper-coin method, which had some effectiveness. But I'm American and didn't learn royal lineage in school, otherwise I would have known that nothing useful would be suggested, since the first child was born ten months after the wedding. And add me to the list of those who could do without all the Upstairs Downton nonsense.

When Margaret was told she couldn't announce her engagement until after Elizabeth's new baby was born, did anyone else hear Jan Brady? "Lilibet, Lilibet, Lilibet! I'm tired of being in Lilibet's [sob] shadow all the time!" Also, nice touch with the lace jabot being tightened around Charles' neck and jerking his head up, like a yoke.

That reporter looked a lot like Diana.

Totally not show biz, but I'd happily watch a show about Edison vs. Tesla. Steampunk ahoy, and Tesla was one handsome fella. Also, I'd love to see the Saint Edison myth deconstructed.

I thought it was "I Want Candy ".

Is this the end of the season? I don't see an episode 7 in upcoming.

http://wtov9.com/news/offbeat/hoarder-evicted-but-trash-remains-behind What I'm not clear on is, who dragged it all out of the house? The evicted tenant, as a FU to the landlord, or the landlord, in hopes that the tenant would follow? With a lot of hoarders, I get the impression they would choose to die with their stuff. In fact, I think that's been said at least once on this or the other show. So it's mildly surprising that the former tenant is nowhere to be seen. And according to the video, people are scavenging from the heap. Wouldn't it be something if one of them is a hoarder? Imagine a hoarder, hoarding stuff they scavenged from another hoarder's hoard! :D

Brought over from the Episode 3 thread: Well, that explains something Christina talked about in MD. At a memorial service for Joan, Christina walked in, George Cukor asked who she was, and at her reply, pandemonium ensued. "Myrna Loy got up and left the room. She left her drink, her speech and her mink coat right where they had been a moment before." Christina got crossways with Elvis once, also. She had a small role in one of his films, and was invited to, maybe not Graceland, but one of his houses. At any rate, Elvis pulled out a cigar, and one of his crew started to light it for him. Christina grabbed it and broke it in half. (It would have been a Hav-a-Tampa or Rum Crook, not a real cigar, but still.) "Don't do that." Elvis pulls out another cigar; Christina does the same thing. "I've asked you nicely." "Well, he shouldn't have to light your cigars." Third time, he goes off on her verbally; she throws a drink in his face. Elvis pulls her out of the room by her hair and sends her out the door with his foot in her ass. Later, Christina comes back to apologize. Reason given was "she resented seeing her mother treat everybody who worked for her the same way."

Jackie seemed like the kind of person who never grew out of thinking her life would be like a movie, or a nighttime soap. Glamorous, well-paying job, perfect marriage with beautifully furnished home, or swinging-single social life with fabulous rent-controlled apartment, and every day a new adventure. Any aspect of her life that didn't measure up to that wasn't worth pursuing.

Guess what I found on the local library's discard sale rack -- My Mother's Keeper. Yes, I bought it. Not because I thought it would give me insight into Bette Davis; only because I wanted to get a handle on daughter B.D. And I sure did: O. M. G., what a bitchy bratty brat bitch. Detractors of Christina Crawford/Mommie Dearest usually say "Well, you're only getting Christina's side of the story; the flip side is that she talked back, acted out and was generally difficult." That may or may not be true, but, B.D.'s side of her own story shows B.D. talking back, acting out, and generally being difficult! I'm only halfway through, but already I'm convinced that B.D. would have delivered that speech from episode 2; probably not in such an articulate manner, but certainly with as much venom. Many of her comebacks in MMK boil down to "Mother, I can't help it if I'm gorgeous and you're old!" I don't blame Bette for wanting to send her to Exile Farm; I'm not surprised that seeing B.D. flirting with crewmembers would set off alarm bells. And this quote cracks me up: "If you want to leave [this party]...you don't have to worry about me; I have a date with Danny Milland to go to another party in Malibu." She must have been a Kardashian before the Kardashians. That said, if Gary Merrill was as she described him, I can cut her some slack (without entirely excusing snottiness and disrespect). I specifically hope the scene with the horse was made up, or greatly exaggerated. It made me cry, and I rarely cry for animals.

Speaking of which, I've read that Stanwyck escaped Frank Fay's house (it was that level of abuse, that she had to "escape", not just leave) and Crawford, her near neighbor, took her in. That would have been the 1920s or 1930s; at any rate, at a time when spousal abuse was another issue most people looked the other way on. The typical response would have been "Go back and try not to cause any more trouble," but Joan gave her shelter for a time.

"The Gang Finds a Dead Guy" was the one that hooked me. "Charlie Gets Crippled" and "Dennis and Dee Go On Welfare" sealed it. Funny, because I remember a friend saying "I don't like it so much since DeVito joined the cast...now it's all wacky schemes." Now, of course, he loves it because it *is* all wacky schemes.

Milburn Stone, according to Considine's book, although it may not have been on the first day, Davis did create that makeup effect. What inspired her was starlets in the 1920s and '30s, who so loved the way they looked in stage makeup that they wouldn't take it off for days at a time. They'd keep spackling on more and more pancake and powder, and of course, aged horribly and prematurely. Even if it didn't happen exactly as shown here, it was her idea.

Can someone identify an episode for me? I've watched every episode now, and either I spaced and missed this scene, or it was cut to make more time for commercials. The hoarder was a 30ish woman, and her brother was brought in; his first visit in years, and of course he was gobsmacked. Hoarding woman is sobbing, and when he asks how it could get like this, she wails, "I'm like a grain of sand caught up in a tsunami!" Long pause; brother says "Okay...." -- Brother had a very NYC accent. -- IIRC, the house was a townhouse, where you have to go up a flight of stairs from the front door to the main room. The stairs were hoarded up, too, of course. --I don't think it was Hoarders, because that's Buried Alive's schtick: bringing in the friends and family members who haven't seen the hoard in years, and are shocked! horrified! appalled! They're on the same network as Intervention, so perhaps the show runners were told to follow that model. Anyway, on Hoarders, the friends and family are usually at the end of their rope after months or years of trying and getting nowhere. H:BA always manages to dredge up someone who's seeing it for the first time. --It was probably the first season; second at most. Any suggestions would be appreciated!

http://www.fox5ny.com/news/237339986-story "Firefighters had to dump thousands of items onto the street in battling a fire inside a hoarder's apartment on the Upper West Side." Check out the photo. It's like the building threw up.

During this and Overload, the promos kept saying "Season Finale next Sunday". So six episodes and out? Wah! I'll have to check, but I'm fairly certain Shannon was using paint, not blood. Besides, blood usually dries out to brown.

Michelle's story reminded me of Silkwood, when contaminated items were taken out of Karen Silkwood's house to be destroyed: record albums, clothing, her hair dryer...it was like being politely robbed. And I imagine that's how Michelle felt, and how a lot of hoarders feel: like they're being robbed. Except, they brought it on themselves. I personally know numerous collectors of stuff who will never have this happen to them because they take care of their stuff. Also, when Matt said that anything from the basement had to go because of black mold, and Michelle was still digging in her heels, it made me wish this show has an Aggie. If you watch this and Buried Alive, you may also be familiar with Kim Woodburn and Aggie MacKenzie from the British show How Clean Is Your House? (later morphed into Kim's Rude Awakenings). Now, they rarely deal with true hoarders, mostly just slobs, but Aggie's schtick was to take swabs of various surfaces in the house, send them off to a lab for analysis, and then show the results to the homeowners. "Now, a normal reading would be about 200 particles of e.coli; that's a safe amount, and everyone has some germs in their house. But do you know how many you have? Just in your kitchen? Eleventy million!! My god, this is where your children eat! Aren't you ashamed of yourself?!" I wonder how people would react to Matt or Dorothy showing them cold statistics like that. Yama: I had a lot more sympathy for her than I usually do. Since she was only 22, and was carrying on her mom's hoarding tradition, rather than wallowing in it of her own accord, it seemed reasonable to hope she can have a normal household from here on in. And she had a lot of friends who were willing to help, indicating that she hadn't alienated/hidden from everyone, and was in general a likable person (which is also unusual for a hoarder). Also, I loved the "tumbleweave"!

We'll never know, because "Then and Now" has disappeared from the schedule. There were supposed to be two more episodes this weekend, plus a rerun from season 8; now they're showing a special on Jon-Benet Ramsey. No Hoarders next weekend either.

Wow. I was preoccupied during this part of the trial, so I never knew those tapes were so damning. Having heard them now, I would believe Fuhrman capable anything. I'd believe him capable of killing Nicole himself in order to frame OJ. No, I still think OJ did it, but Fuhrman...how could anyone who'd heard that believe he had any integrity? When an attorney is held in contempt, what are the consequences? Is he banned from the courtroom, and if so, for how long? Or is it something else? Also, does anyone know what form of reprimand Peggy York gave Fuhrman -- verbal or written? And finally, when Clark and Darden were in the office, was I the only one yelling, "C'monnnnnnnnnnn...c'mONNNNNNN! Kiss her you fool!"?

The white woman was his mistress, and the kid was theirs, while he was married to Barbara. Somehow it ended with the two women becoming friends. I guess being jerked around by the same man can create a bond.

When Dennis was goading CatMaureen into following the laser pointer, I thought, "Oh, she's gonna see the bird and go after it like a cat dies!" Mildly surprised that didn't happen.