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Good lord what did they do to the story?!?!? Why did Druckman allow Manzin to utterly ruin the story, RUIN Ellie, ruin Jesse, this whole thing is so bad. I kind of knew it would probably suck when they chose to cast a slip of a girl to play Abby. Abby's muscles are IMPORTANT to Abby's story damn it! They were not just some random aesthetic choice, they were a very visible symbol of just how single minded she was with regards to her need to destroy Joel. She got jacked because she knew Joel was a big dude, she knew she had to be ready for anything, even going toe-to-toe with what she assumed was a monster of a dude (because only a monster could kill her dad of course). This season just got worse and worse and worse until I was just spiritually cringing and I really feel embarrassed that I dragged any of my friends into watching this show. It would be far, far better for people to watch a good play through of the game (I HIGHLY recommend Mapocolops, Welonz or MKIceandFire). I'm not even going to hate watch the next season and that really sucks because the season will cover my favorite parts of the game (other than the very end, that's such an amazing moment). I wanted this to be as awesome as the game but it aint.

They were not having sex. They were sitting together, fully clothed on Ellie's bed with Ellie's friend gave her a tattoo. The two girls were giggling. There was no sex in this episode.

I really, really, REALLY hated that. Game talk WITH A SPOILER: As a lesbian, I remember being in my late teens, early 20's and meeting girls like that. They would flirt and kiss you, hell sometimes even have HEAVY make-out sessions and ALWAYS ALWAYS go back to some stupid boyfriend who usually treated them like absolute dogshit. Those kinds of "straight unless I've had a couple drinks" girls are THE WORST and absolutely not trustworthy AT ALL. The TV show turning Dina into THAT kind of *********** sucks. This is one change that does not work for me AT ALL because fuck that Dina. So this website does some sort of censoring, Im editing to say I did not do that edit and that edit sucks. Where you see all those stars, it should say "untrustworthy, manipulative, fake lover" or something along those lines.

Continue the gender flip, she would name it "Lukas".

Well all I know is any time a dude like that called me "dyke" he was expressing a level of hatred towards me that was worse than anything. As old as I am, I remember the "bad old days", days the current administration is trying their damndest to bring back. I got no time for bigots, also got no time for "agree to disagree" when it comes to homophobes (transphobes, sexists and racists). Ellie saw right through what was happening and she let it be known by being dismissive. That guy is lucky she didn't just gut him. Boy howdy, this is just the second episode y'all.

No, I think the people in that world are making that assumption. I think us in the real world can EASILY poke a million holes in the entire idea that ONLY Ellie is immune and ONLY that ONE doctor could imagine a cure. I mean, has ANYONE in that world thought to try lotrimin? Maybe an industrial strength, agricultural fungicide? THAT part of the story is pretty silly but so are all the zombie stories when you get right down to it. Silly, dumb, nonsensical and not the point.

Who was going to do the science for that? The one and only (so far as the world knows) scientist who could do that work was murdered in cold blood by Joel. Abby and her crew were young teenagers when their parents were murdered in cold blood by Joel, they were not and are not scientists. Joel murdered the scientists in cold blood. Joel put the needs of the one over the needs of the many. Joel murdered them all. Edit to add that NO they could NOT change the plot as the plot is the ENTIRE REASON for the thing being made in the first place.

but it's not a "basic revenge story" anyway whatever, people are free to shit on things or not, people are free to experience art in deep ways or shallow ways, I just understand the story being told here is deeper than that but then again, I do love velveeta (even if I don't eat it anymore) so who the fuck am I to poit to meaningful art?

Where are you getting the idea that they were just stumbling around in the woods for 5 years? I'm not alone in feeling that way, not evenon this very thread. You read some summary, who knows how biased or incomplete that summary might have been. Sheesh, here's a summary for you: "There was this homeless dude that worked in carpentry or something. He pissed some other dudes off so they hung him." Even the story of Jesus can be a tad bit underwhelming when summarized.

The creators of this show realized from the moment they cast Pedro Pascal that Joel was NOT the show, they cast him because he's such a good actor and he has a big, imposing body and very soulful eyes. The name of the show is "The Last of US" not "The violent adventures of Joel and Ellie". As to the rest of your paragraph here, did you know this was only the SECOND episode of the season? If so, did you realize Joel will most likely be featured in 2-3 more episodes (in flashbacks)? I mean can no one just be patient for ONE WEEK to see what happens next? This show is not The Walking Dead. TWD rarely ever had anything much to say other than "people are violent and worse than the zombies" and really, that show sucked (many of you know I watched that show to the very end, it sucked and it was stupid as hell but I loved it). TWD constantly wanted people to think "anyone can die at any time! No one is safe!" well no one except Daryl and Carol and Maggie and Negan and even the man himself, Rick could never die. TLoU is going for something far grander than that, far more personal too. It's worth being patient and letting the story unfold. Losing Joel like that was awful but it wasn't done for the shock value. I mean come on, HBO knows how people feel about Pedro Pascal nd by extension, Joel Miller. You don't remove that much star power unless you fully believe the rest of the story is stronger than that character and that relationship.

As seen in the first episode, Abby's group were Firefly kids along with her so their parents probably were also killed by Joel. So no spoilers or anything but a number of years ago I watched a walk through of The Last of Us pt 2 which is what this season is based on. (I can no longer actually play certain games so I watch other people play, it's a whole disability thing). 30 minutes into the walk through, Joel is murdered, exactly like this with the difference being in game, you (the player) have NO IDEA who Abby is or why the fuck she did THAT and holy SHIT was I SO FUCKING MAD!!!!!! THEN something happened (can't say what) and I almost stopped, I could not believe what the game was doing. I kept watching... and it was profound. If this tv show manages to get close enough, if you stick with it you will understand. This is really something just so far beyond anything I had ever experienced in a game, only the rare movie, rarer tv episode or the really important novel. Sometimes, games can be very meaningful art and TLoU2 is meaningful art, I really hope the tv show manages to get there too.

You know what bothered me? Abby and her group were standing there staring at giraffes. We're meant to think those are the same giraffes Joel and Ellie saw. Thing is, the giraffes Ellie and Joel saw were in Colorado. Abby and Crew are in Salt Lake.

So, we've seen the actual dark corridor leading to an elevator many times over the course of the 2 seasons. It seems to go to the testing floor but I am not sure about that. What do we really know about the testing floor? Well one thing we know is that severance seemingly creates a sort of dissociative identity disorder where most severed have a second identity (the "innie") that is basically identical to the first identity except simplified and more docile. However, it's still just one person. Some severed, like Gemma, have multiple different "innies". Gemma is grilled CONSTANTLY about any residual feeling, sensation, impressions or memories she may harbor after each severance. When we catch up with Gemma, we see al this and we also see her say "my mouth hurts" after the dental torment and she's holding her left hand in pain after the Xmas cards torment. She may not know exactly why she's feeling such physical pain, she is still FEELING it regardless. This repeated trauma will eventually cause a breach amongst a severed being tormented like that so this brings me to... Irving and his obsession with the black corridor and the black elevator door. Let me put this out there: I believe Irving was "reset" multiple times, I believe that is what happens behind that black elevator door. I think Dylan is going to be reset and I think this resetting, if done multiple times, causes trauma. The "outie" may not know exactly what the trauma is but trauma will wreak havoc if not addressed. So "outie" Irving, being an artist (sensitive), being a veteran (ptsd), this trauma pours out of him and onto black canvas after black canvas. Helena, for some weird reason, has an obsession with Mark Scout. I think she's like she is because of how she was raised. The Chinese restaurant scene didn't bother me as much as during ORTBO when she laughed HARD over that weird story Milcheck read to everyone about Dieter. Of course she was trying to act like what she reckoned Helly acts like but in that moment, that was full on Helena and she thought that story was absurd. If she is an Egan, daughter of the top dog Egan, how would that story be so silly to her? Because it was made up by Milcheck (or Frolic tattoo) as a way to strongly discourage the innnies from experimenting sexual in this novel environment or really ANY environment. I don't know, it was weird as hell to me.

I can only speak for myself but my dad died 3 days before my 30th birthday (that's the only way I know exactly when he died), my mom died 25 years later, a week before her birthday. Sometimes, out of the blue my heart will break because I miss them so much...because I miss my mom desperately, the pain can still sear me and she's been gone now for almost 5 years?!?!? FIVE?!?!? How can that be. See, that's how my grief over losing my mom gets me, Cobel's keening on her mom's deathbed made perfect sense to me, as well as her accepting some ether after waking up.

Your entire reply is beautiful, I apologize for snipping it so much...but I highlight this part because I just wanted to say, not all drug dealers / users relish squalor, violence and being mean. I've known more kind, caring, compassionate drug dealers than mean ones (although to be fair, the mean ones will just outright kill you so there's that). I think this is a very sad commentary on our society but in MANY instances, drug dealers are a communities one and only source for any sort of health care! That's sick, let's be real honest but for fuck's sake, our entire civilization seems to be deathly ill. If I had my way, it would not be like this but also, if I had my way, all drugs would be legal but clean, safe, well regulated with clean, comfortable drug houses where social workers and nurses would be there 24/7 to help people! Care for them! Sorry, this is a weird rant and I know people will be so mad. "My brother/mom/best friend/child died of a drug overdose! Your idea will KILL PEOPLE!!!" when the opposite is true. Hampton most likely looked around his community, saw all these people hopelessly addicted to ether and decided to CARE FOR THEM and yes, that includes some level of ether maintenance provisions. That one elderly lady, if she's been on ether for decades, the best thing for her is a regular low dose. William Burroughs was a heroin addict for his ENTIRE adult life, using it regularly and he lived to his 90's. It's about compassion and radical acceptance, not judgement and punishment.