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Best pieces that point to it: Richard Karn looks back on Home Improvement There are several pieces on Reddit of ZTB and JTT working on a script.

Yeah, I wouldn't put it past Lorre if he tried this. Even David E. Kelly did it to the Bush Administration on Boston Public. Including a couple years later even William Shatner saying: "We knew it had nothing to do with the show, we all KNOW why the line was in there." However, very true, they have been there and while they rushing to end story lines, even this wouldn't fit.

Have to look, but it was an interview around 2001, when they were talking about "where are they now" Zach had just been on Smallville and Noah had done voice work for the old Batman Beyond animated series.

I get it as they are doing fine in ratings. While shows like: Splitting up Together and Fresh off the Boat are tanking and ABC doesn't take chances on new shows like they use to. Or they bet on the wrong horse when everything is telling them: "Seriously, let his show die." However, if half the cast walks away saying they want to move on, two things are going to happen. They will either let them and let the show bow out gracefully or they will milk whatever they can for money until ABC finally realizes: "Yeah, enough, we are done!"

It's not like companies like ABC do very stupid decisions, CBS, NBC, Fox, ect have made some real big: "Seriously, what were you thinking?" moves. Similar right now canceling all of the Netflix series and basically saying: "They won't be on our new Disney+ streaming service any time soon." So, why cancel successful series just because you want everyone under the same banner and not share?" Similar to how ABC cancelled Tim Allen's series, Last Man Standing and as much it wasn't over politics and more costs, which both parties have now confirmed. Why not just do the final season and move their successful comedies to Friday night. Where the hell did the idea of putting news and drama on Friday's on the same channel think that was a good idea when more people watch for that in the summer when nothing else is on TV? Yes, HI was starting to run out of ideas and ZTB was talking about cutting his time to half as he was going to school locally. However, ABC shot themselves in the foot as a result with offer Allen more money and then JTT's agents thinking he could fight city hall.

Exactly, and now JTT does director and guest appearances on Last Man Standing. Showing, that Tim Allen and JTT have buried the hatchet. It reminds me of Shelly Long leaving Cheers. The show was doing fantastic, but she wanted to focus more on her growing family and filming schedule for movies, which backfired on her immensely, but then of course caused Cheers to last 6 more years because they retooled the show for those reflections. We started seeing that in the last season as they brought Marty and Jeff and the twins into the store more. There was even talk of Carrie being more common. ABC and Disney screwed up because they over Tim Allen 3 times more money then they were going to offer Patricia Richerson and as Allen put it: "It became more about the money and not the show." Though he did Santa Clause 3 due to needing money as his 1st marriage was falling apart then, and we know how history remembers that movie. I think time, JTT growing up and Tim Allen's change in money and views is why they are on such good terms now. Basically: "We both didn't know better then, now we do."

The problem with the Stepford Moms is they come off as having no brains at all. One takes pills and then does insane things like destroying galas when one of her "friends" doesn't get to do the gala. Even admitting she doesn't know why she does it. One puts her kids to eat, drink what "she" wants for no other reason because it's "better". Then you add in this diaper thing that they were really that stupid to think of? I mean come on, for all the talk of research, knowing people, ect. None of them look that up and go: "Yeah, this is bullshit." They are in season 3 and they have already taking their characters to the extreme, they would be arrested or dead. Then again, don't get me started on the kids' school staff, I mean... seriously?

Yes, there were so many issues between JTT, Tim Allen and other crew members of the show. He left to go to school and then he went and filmed these movies back to back. Pretty much saying: "I made enough money to pay for school this way than if I did another 2 seasons of HI." They crew got upset saying: "So what is it, Jonathan? School, TV or Movies? You can't seem to make up your mind." I remember an interview some place where both Zach and Noah said they thought he didn't think things through. Plus, apparently also JTT's manager at the time, said that it was probably not a good idea to return to the show either, because he DID want be in the final episode. That manager no longer works in the industry, similar to Terry Ferrel's manager from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Who convinced her to leave the show a year before it was ending and then not to show up or make any cameo shots in the final episode. Then also got her fired from Ted Danson's show, Booker that she left DS9 for 3 years later. Some agents and managers seriously, are morons.

Right and so many shows do this. They did this was Alan on Two and a Half Men, Joey on Full House, Cody on Step by Step, ect. You would think at some point, the writers or producers would go: "Ok, this is ridiculous even for us." I'm just waiting for the time either Jack or Junior are: "why am I naked?" Random person: "Because you were getting dressed." "How do I get dress?"

That's why I get so angry when they regress the characters to all of this. I mean, I get what the writers trying to deal with corporate America and yes, Dre put it perfectly: "I've gotten them to go from 70s Boston to 90s Boston." However, they all come off as just complete morons who would be resigning from their positions at this point. Even when Wanda Sykes guest appears, she comes off as not only a cliche, but a person who has no sense. Then you add in they don't know what to do with Junior and making him an intern would have made the most sense and moved the Gap Year to relevant story telling. However, we get... this. Jack has come to the point, I'm surprised he knows how to get dress, they have made him even stupider than Junior. Diane said it best to him: "Why can't you just function?"

Then you get the opposite end of managers who fire people because they complain of actual problems. Instead they are viewed as whiners. Soon as they go, they start training the new person and find out they were right. Instead of apologies or: "I should actually listen to the complaints." it's more of: "Well, I never liked them, so I took care of that problem and no one will ever know." It's so bad, but it happens. However, things like this, no that's too much.

My MIL is the same, she keeps thinking all her kids and grandkids wants her stuff, and we rather have it burn to the ground. She tries guilting everyone and it worked maybe 8 years ago. Now its: "Throw the crap out, mom!"

Exactly. Even her getting her "dream job" it's Haley going back to who she was the first three seasons. Feels like with Alex, this was a few years too late with her story. So, basically the reason she dressed in over sized clothes was because of Claire? When we have seen Claire go both business and sexy in many, many episodes. I feel more like Alex's "sexual" awakening was when she was still with Sanja. I get what they were trying to do with the football team with: "People are sensitive to everything now". However, I am so TIRED of school administrators or teachers depicted as such morons. The principal at the high school has always been shown as a moron, but really? This is going too far. I mean: "We can't say anything because it might get us a law suit." I love Cam: "I'm on a teacher's salary and I'm gay, how much more sensitive can I get?" It's like doing a flipped classroom and you are expected to have more flipped discussion, when it's designed to spend more time with students one on one who are confused or WANT hand holding. It doesn't work.

Oh we have seen Erica (Black Nanny 2) a couple of times. However, yes, they never show her and they don't even reference that's where Devonte is when we don't see him. Kenya decided to bring Devonte into the show because he had a child later in life and Bow and Dre's marriage problems last season were based on his own marriage issues during the 1st season of the show. It's most likely dropped. The point of the story was not to have Bow as a stay at home mother, but to lay the ground work for the marriage issues at the end of last season. Especially, when she went back to work to pay the bills as a result of them being seperated. While there was nothing with the idea of the story, it was used as a catalyst for the story line down the road and will probably never be spoke of or barely referred to ever again. Which is very obvious because it was talked early on he might leave the show or be on part time because of the actor dealing with his own school and other projects. It seemed that all fell apart, or he found a way to make it work. As the result the writers are: "Well, a gap year is just someone being lazy, we'll find the comedy in it." Which they haven't and the season is almost half way over now. Even the trigger to have Junior move back magically beating them all out by flight and travel was because Junior was scared of his roommate. Not to "figure things out".

It's like with how many times can Gloria put herself in positions that make her look like an idiot or hide something. Same goes with Mitch and Cam, one minute Mitch is in a good job, and then he loses it for some reason. Cam gets him in a stupid situation because he wants to be the center of attention and then makes himself look really stupid. Wash rinse and repeat.

That would have made sense if they didn't hammer us last season that she was always at the house with him and Dre can't do anything but call her: "Black Nanny 2". Apparently they are just going to sweep it under the rug. I had heard that originally the entire "stay at home" was just to be the kick off for Dre and Bow's marriage problems at the end of last season. Plus, the current writers apparently don't like writing the hospital staff as much. Yet, they make all of Dre's co-workers come off as morons? I guess they can only write one hostel work environment at a time.

Right, it's like when Bow tells Dre that Erica quits and he still will not address her by name only: "Black Nanny 2". That isn't clever or funny, it puts Dre right up there when he is to Junior: "I don't care about you." or when Ruby constantly talks about Bow's bad parenting or her mixed family. It doesn't come off as funny, clever or informative. It makes them all act like as Dre put it: "Boston in the 1970s." Plus, you can tell the writers are trying to figure out more story lines with Baby D and have fallen in the trap of: "What do we do with a baby?"

Plus that Jack threw the post-it away because: "I can't unsee what I saw." then he is: "Why did I throw it away?" Why didn't he snap it on his phone or something?

I'm still shocked Martin could fold laundry. We were beaten over the head last season he couldn't do laundry so he had everyone dressed up as commando/legend of zelda because they didn't have any clean clothes and he didn't know laundry.

The Twins story lines are getting dumber and dumber.

Nah! I mean a nanny who quit just because she got tired of it. Ruby who I'm surprised her two children ever made it past the age of 4. Look, the acknowledged that Dre works for racist morons and who should have sank their company by now. Junior's gap year is just painful.

Nothing was on and the family was asleep. This was seriously the worst episode of the entire series. From Lena trying to control everything to Martin be super complete idiot. Yeah, I don't know what school his kids go to. You can't just enter a school, walk right down to the classroom and then bust it up. No, Martin would have never made it past the front desk. Could we have heard the word: "bitch" enough? He doesn't sound cool, I'm sorry, that is not a Z generation kid and how any of these people are considered functioning adults has reached new heights of idiotic. Also, Martin, what is this magical job where you can just take off and go when ever and where ever you wanted. Seriously, Lena at one point blamed Martin for the Iraq War? How?

What's really amazing is that Becky hasn't changed at all. She goes into full panic mode just like when she ran off with Mark to get married. "My parents lost their business and my boyfriend is going away. And I can't go to the school I want to go to. My life is over." So what does she do? She runs off with said boyfriend, elopes, drops out of a community college and takes what ever jobs she can. Now, she hears how hard it is to be a parent and just panics and instead of talking it out with her father and family it's: "Hey, you want a baby, because I'll most likely suck as a mother according to rich version of me." Happy that Darelene told her something she needed to hear about 20 years ago.

Yeah, it was odd that after all the time's that Jill had to be right or fix things. She never raises several points about Marty and Nancy after they do finally divorce in season 8. When Tim gets tricked into buying the hardware store, she just stares looking dumb founded. Instead of: "No, Tim didn't say that and we CAN'T buy it, we have three boys to get through college." Or how about when she is: "Ok, Randy, go to Costa Rica, it's cool!" When she always gets up in arms with any major change. I mean, she can't see Brad getting a chance to play professional soccer and get money to later go to school with it or why Harry should just sell the Hardware Store or feel that Tim doesn't "need season tickets" for a team he loves and watches all the time. Yet, when things like Marty, Wilson wanting to move out of town or just saying to her dissertation chair that she wants to actually know when she is going to graduate instead of beating around the bush. She decides to just stay quiet.

That's all they have her do or defending Ryan even if he set the house of fire. Now, they have made her a: "I need another kid in the house, so either give me another grand child or an exchange student and I'll be happy."