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That's what really made it a problem and his family had a history of this too. Granted, they grew up and moved on, however, Logan was netorious for these types of things and stealing a yacht or a boat or car was talked about in several episodes. Yet, He just heads off to Europe and the judge doesn't bat an eye. I get the judge's speech to Rory, because in a way it was also a way to tell her: "Don't be a dumb ass like your peers and realize this a stupid thing to do." Yet, Logan, I would have loved to have her tell him: "So, you think life is hard? You can do anything you want and so forth? Yeah, well you are paying for the entire plot, you are getting 500 community hours and if I ever see you in my court again, we are talking jail time. And say hi to your father for me and his hair cut is stupid!"

I agree, as much as Phil has tried to be supportive of Haley and Dylan, now he is seeing that maybe he should have put his foot down more. With Claire, her years of helicopter parenting have like most parents in that situation completely backfired. She has a daughter who is dependent on everyone and doesn't know how to do most life skills.

I still can't get over the fact that Logan a repeat offender on something like this just got off scott free and headed to Europe with no worries about his "girlfriend" while she faced all that crap either. You think the judge would have been: "I want Mr. Hutzberger's ass in my court now! I don't care who he is, this isn't the first yacht he has stolen with friends or other. Where the hell is he?" But oh no, apparently his family lawyer pleaded: "Boys will be boys." and that's the last we heard on it while Rory had to do the 300 hours of service and an apolgy. Logan, hey how's the sun by the Rivera?

True and it even goes to Randy when he started turning to journalism. She was happy that Randy was writing, but then she could have cared less. It wasn't like with Brad, talking him out of things he enjoyed or just not trying to really understand why Mark was into Goth. I mean, really, neither Tim or Jill didn't go: "Mark seriously, what is with the Goth." "We want to understand and you just stamp your feet and say we don't get you, why don't you make us understand WHY you want to do this." No, Jill had to try and FIGURE OUT or come up with conclusions based on what she THOUGHT was the reason. She never really tried to understand. At least with Tim's Mid Life crisis, we got why he felt stuck. However, as I mentioned all the tone shift for season 7 would have made sense from Tim to even Randy's thoughts on religion if they would have shown that it was Fred's death that most likely kicked everything off. However, it was all more of the writers trying to do something "bold" and they realized half way through, they didn't know what to do with it. So, they just all ditched it when season 8 started. Also, watching the few episodes after JTT left the show, it was such a 180 of tone. I get that everyone was trying to fill in the void without Randy and pushed Jeff and Marty and the twins more into the house. However, it was like all of a sudden, Randy left and there HAD to be these stories. I think if they would have focused more on Mark's new ways of loving of movie making. More on maybe Heidi's background and see more of Trudy's life. It would have worked, because when Marty shows up, while the story line was different, I felt like once again Marty just didn't know how to be an adult. There is having your life go to hell and then there is Marty in this haze again and not getting what he NEEDED to do get his life going again.

Well said, I also don't get Jill wanting to save money on things when Binford would pay for: remodels, new flooring ect. I get that Jill was probably tired of having her privacy invaded when they did special Tool Times from the house. However, Tim constantly pointed out about how it covered the costs and kept their main bill low. Yet Jill was: "I'm so tired of it, even if we do need it done." Jill was painted as someone who seem to "hate it" when things were made easier for her. She was all against: sports, cars, comics, ect that Tim and the boys were into. I kind of get her thinking Mark lost his mind with the way he just went Goth one day and then magically went out of it. That makes any parent freak out when there is that massive change over night. However, if someone would be willing to give me: new gazebo, bathrooms, basement room, office ect. and I was paying maybe less than a quarter out of pocket. I be like: "When can you start and where do you want me to help." Jill was: "Oh no, you can't do the smart thing, that's not how I was raised, you work for everything you do and then criticize everyone who helps you." Which goes into another thing, I get that Fred Patterson was in the army, however, someone who was like that, i don't think would have really any friends or family members would be more: "Oh... um.. you want to visit? I think I'm out of town that week." He was a very unpleasant person.

That would actually make the most sense. Of course, we want more of Cam and Mitch forgetting their grand niece/nephew at places will get old very fast. I'm also surprised the top apartment has not been mentioned since Pam went to jail.

Here was another thing, it was a senior at Randy and Brad's high school. Why didn't Jill demand an apology from the kid for thinking of attacking her own son, when it was an accident that he even apologized for. Something I have never liked on shows and recently Fuller House is guilty about this too, when it's another person or teen that bullys or attacks one of the main cast members. They get it to where they are the victim or the main characters have to apologize to them. I know they had it happen on message board on Fuller House to where the producers said: "Sadly, we live in a world where a kid can bully and sell drugs and yet it's not their fault. That's why we did that." At least they backed up why they did the story, but at the same time, it would be great if a sitcom would actually address this crap. It happened on Home Improvement for years from Mark getting picked on in his first karate class to Tim being beaten up by the kid's dad and later the guy who's kid got his remote control car ran over. I hate the fact that shows will just gloss over bullying or the fact that grown adults can't discuss an issue all for the sake of a joke or to say: "Well, that's not how the world works."

I think the problem in the first season was how Katie did shame people and not only turned out right later on, but did get called on it. It was the ownership of the house, I thought was very stupid. Even when the son was tricked because of Oliver trying to pretend The Ottos were rich. Plus, seeing that Oliver became this sell out when he was into: Harry Potter, sci-fi and even school volunteerism. He and Taylor got into this: "We have to be awesome and be rich and our lives have sucked up until now." When it was completely the opposite. While a lot has changed since then. I think the House Wives have gotten, much, much worst.

Reminds me of Murry on The Goldbergs constantly saying robot as "rebit". Which, Adam Goldberg's real father did on a regular basis, even when they told him he is saying wrong. Sometimes, it's how a person hears it and how they say it. Of course, I still say catcher with an accent and I have lived in the Midwest for most of my life.

Thought be great, and even showing that even Junior and Jack's "stupidty" was because of how Dre acts and doesn't think of what he does or is about to do until its too late. Let's face it, even in this episode, Dre doesn't stop for one second to think that forcing his family to do something might not go wrong. Like how just the previous episode, Dre realized he has pushed Bow from having real friends because he wanted her all to himself. Just like how Bow realized all the other "mothers" who have given her a hard time over the years basically are just using the excuse to be at "home" so they can have "me time" and not because they want to ride off of their spouse's salaries.

After watching the last couple of seasons up to just before Randy get's his license. I wanted to know what was the Taylor's mysterious 4th vehicle was. Early in the show, we knew that Tim was driving another car and Jill was in the Nomad. Since the Nomad had several references almost EVERY season. So, how was Tim getting to work? How were the boys getting around before they had their license? We saw as Tim and Jill bought Brad the new car and then Jill bought the Hellie. However, what the "car" that was references the first few season? Was it a mini van? A 4 door sedan? Especially when Tim crushed the Nomad at the construction site. What was Jill getting around in? Plus, this also puts the Taylors money situation into another question. Tim had a mechanic, he knew how to do oil changes. They were flat out buying their cars right off the bat .There were no regular monthly payments outside of insurance. So, why did they always feel that Jill had to bring up money concerns when it was something Tim wanted?

Well, being a pharmacist would make sense how he was able to move around and a few other things in the 80s and early 90s and people know where he might be. The question is was how he found out about Frances's death. Meaning someone knew how to get in touch with him.

Yes, including his "silent phone calls". Where she even said to him on the last phone call right after graduation: "I could have helped you, you could have talked to me, but you didn't. I think... I think I loved you and you didn't let me help you. Wherever you are, I hope you figure things out." Then she hangs up and Jess is left looking like: "I guess I should have said something the last four times I called. Oh well, off to walk to my father's business on a spin off that is never going to happen."

Right there with you.

Wonder how I missed that?

I felt that with all of the characters, outside of Monica and Ross's parents or even Rachel's parents, Chandler and Phoebe's made no sense and Joey's family didn't get the focus they SHOULD have had until his spin off series started. However, I agree that Phoebe's family was the one that made no sense from why Ursula was so hateful to Phoebe at times, to how the hell she ended up on the streets for a brief time. Or even the cliche talk on why her father walked out on them and yet NEVER got the reason why he walked out the second time. Especially, when he ran out on Frank Jr and his ex wife apparently when Frank Jr was in his early teens. Plus, what did he do for a living? He seemed pretty cleaned up and well dressed for a deadbeat. What was: "Oh Hey Frank, how's life?" "Oh... just the same, by the way, don't send anything to my address, I'm moving again. Just forward it there? Ok?" "Sure Frank, say hi to the wife and kids for me." Frank ducks down and leaves. I mean seriously?

The problem is, having Cam and Mitch in a Green Acres type of show would probably work very well. You would basically take the things that people don't like about characters the last few seasons and putting it there. They would have to recast Lilly, because the actress wouldn't work in that larger of a spot light and having Cal wouldn't be that funny. Trying to do Haley and Dylan in a spin off. I don't know compared to Sarah's real life health problems and the actor who plays Dylan would possibly focusing on his voice acting work he has coming up in the next couple of years.

That's when things don't make sense. It goes back to a few years ago when everyone, BUT Kristin wanted to get things ready for Christmas. Eve and Mandy thought they were too old for it, Ryan was being a dumb ass again and dragged Kyle into his through process. Kristin puts up: The tree and gets things in the house together. Even tries rubbing it in everyone's faces. Then on Christmas Day, the tree just falls over for some reason. Originally it was that she put too many ornaments on one side of the tree. However, the tree is perfectly balanced and had been up for over a week and just falls to be a stupid joke. All the other characters do things that make no sense, they don't want to do Christmas because: "They are too old or don't believe in Jesus", yet they want presents and eat the food. Yeah, doesn't work that way. There is being anti-Christmas and then there is just not being into the entire "holiday spirit". Here, it's just that McCook can't be Mandy and she keeps trying to be Ephram and then when she tries to be her own version of it. It doesn't come off right.

That's why everyone is having a problem with this story line. Even critics were willing to see where the story went. However, the more it has, it basically shows that Junior panicked over nothing. Really, and if they do have him going back to college and then showed said roommate got a new one who was worst than him and put him in his place. Then Junior is going to come off as even a bigger moron.

Yippee ki yay, Nama Jama" was the line. It has been used on TV to cartoons since the dub.

That would have been great. At least Junior wasn't the kind of kid that went: "I grew up great and my older sister is finding herself, so I'm going to just rebel and go be like my flakey uncle." The writers really have shown they have no idea what a "gap year" is. They basically were: "Let's show Junior really being a moron because we can't write him off the show."

Or how Alex's body is falling apart because she can't keep "lying" to their parents about things. I mean, come on! If anything, they acted more like 12 year olds and the look at the end with both Phil and Claire at the end pretty much said: "Holy shit, did we screw her up and should have kicked Dylan to the curb years ago!"

Turn her into an idiot? They played the entire family like morons on how this boy played everyone so Taylor would fall right into his hands. How much do you want to bet, he just wants to sleep with her and then will cast her to the side by the end of the season?

I don't know who was worst. Cam and Mitch with their parental neglect or Claire with the tree situation, of course Phil using the entire thing to close a sale. He could have at least told Claire why he does it. As for Haley and Dylan, this really showed even more they make no sense what so ever. Not to mention, how the hell did they even make a baby to begin with.

Not sure why bringing another dog into the series was a great idea. They really are not sure what to do with Ryan, Boyd and Kristin do they? They either have Boyd learning a "very special" lesson or. Ryan and Kris apparently need to fill their contracts and get a paycheck. Least it was good to know that Kyle does view himself as a failure. He knows he has gotten into real ruts at ODM because he either didn't jump for promotions or when given them, he screws them up. Honestly, I don't know why they didn't make him the General Manager as he was great with sales and on the floor.