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Me too. Me too a hundred times over. She is one of my all time favorites. They started making Mama Paulo funny tribute posters during that season over on the TAR sub-forum of Survivor Sucks back before that site went to hell. And her younger son, Brian I think it was (the sweet, quiet one anyway, not DJ), was reading about their season online and saw them and download them and had them printed up professionally and surprised his mom with them. Stuff like the Goddess of Lasagna and photo-shopping her into past seasons with some of the earlier famous Racers etc. Some of them were really clever and extremely well done with funny captions as well. I should have saved them to my computer but didn't, sigh. Anyway Brian posted there and told us what he did and how much his mom was moved by all of it and loved and appreciated all of them. They got framed and hung up in the house by a grateful and blown-away Mama P. So come on, TAR. Get Mama to New Zealand like she dreamed of. If not back on the Race itself at least as maybe playing "a lost American tourist in NZ" that teams have to help get somewhere in some task say.

Thanks so much for the link. I'm gonna re-post it in the main thread and credit you cause so few people come to these side threads and it was the most intelligent interview I ever read from anyone on reality TV.

I remember both of those shows. Sounds interesting. I don't however remember any Jody on TAR8 but like I said it it isn't Mama Paulo (and family) -- our beloved Lady of the Lasagna -- the rest were either totally forgettable or that crazy woman and her 3 kids from Florida.

Thanks but what TAR8 Racer? The only one I liked was Mama Paulo. Also what new show of NatGeo?

The guy second row down on the left panel looks just like the guy at the bottom on the right panel. I was hoping to keep one of them ID'ed because he had one of those silly looking, half-ass chin "beards" Now I'm lost again. Also the females on the right in the two bottom rows look too much alike too. I miss having 30 and 40 and 50 year olds on the show. These wall-to-wall-to-wall 20-somethings not only confuse me with their looks but they have no real life history to be of any interest to me. Condolences to you live feed listeners having to listen to boring fluff every year from these types. I come to this thread for your funny and snarky posts more than for anything these guy talk about on the feeds. Thanks to you all in advance.

Same old same old. Make the oldest person the pawn. Then what happen? Usually something happens to save the "real" target and out goes the one token grown-up.

I never heard of it and now don't want to either if BJ & Tyler were on it. Weren't they the fake, pretend, "faux" next gen hippies on TAR9 that gave real hippies a bad name? Between them and Eric and his frat pal on TAR9 it actually made TAR8 (Family Edition) seem not so bad. I'd take Mama Paolo over the lot of TAR9 racers any day.

Thanks for that and also the airport consent sign story as well. I think only Grumpy Guy got pixelated so if the "presumed consent" waivers thing was at the boat rental agencies as someone else speculated and he was on his own lawn and not in a boat he well may have needed to sign a separate waiver or he could just have demanded they not show him on TV since he didn't consent. Also some people in an area like that can get upset and ask or even demand not to be shown on TV and most production companies will honor their request or demand I think to avoid a scene and all. After all production just wants not to have to spend hours filling out forms and they don't mind if someone has strong feelings and wants to opt out. They aren't there on purpose to force every single person to accept the presumed consent.

Thanks so very very much! Most excellent job!

I think anyone seen at a certain distance too they don't need a waiver for. Otherwise every single person they passed on a street in some crowded market district would have to sign. And no way did they get all the people on all the boats signing waivers unless they ALL were hired. Which they could be of course. But that wouldn't be possible (waiver signings) walking along and get lost on streets in Japan or Uganda or Vietnam. You can't sign hundreds and hundreds in the middle of each leg of a race especially when most of them don't even speak English. I'll defer to you of course but it would be interesting to find out the exact wording of who has to sign waivers and who doesn't.

I saw this photo and am trying to put names to people. Thought I could save the pic as a handy reference and label it but I need names for that. Can someone do that or just quote me and fill in the names after the hyphens? Left to right: 1. Thor-looking guy -- 2. Red towel-sized dress girl -- 3. Token male African-American -- 4. Female posed sideways -- 5. Blonde girl in two piece dress -- 6. Block-headed guy -- 7. Female African-American in yellow -- 8. Nondescript guy in blue shirt -- 9. Asian woman in long sleeves -- 10. Denim jacket guy -- 11. Female in pink with glasses -- 12. Cowboy hat token "oldster" -- 13. Dancing woman in red -- 14. Yellow tee shirt guy -- 15. Half hidden guy in back -- 16. Blonde facing sideways --

Excellent points, raven. Especially since I agree with you. I didn't want to post that they were hired per se but thought they were encouraged to come out as to hedge my bets. But forgot about the having to sign a waiver thing and indeed Grumpy Guy did get pixelated. I think if they speak more than a few lines they have to get a waiver signed. But not everyone just sitting in a boat had to. Grumpy Guy had a full line or two so he either refused to sign a waiver or just demanded his face not be shown on TV.

Production gets filming permits and works with locals on tasks like this. A poster above found out, based on when Nicole's birthday was, that this leg happened on a Sunday where it didn't interfere with business and jobs. The locals would know the Race was coming to their town due to the permits and stuff. Production advance team would be setting up the boats and race course in advance of the teams. Also during a task there would be area cameras set up as well. It wasn't like someone went out and was surprised to be caught up in all of this nor were they inconvenienced that I could see. Anymore than when a Hollywood crew comes to some neighborhood for location shots. It is a big deal and most people think it is awesome and embrace the event. So the townspeople would all know in advance. This is a VERY big deal for their little town. I can see many of them going out on their boats just to be part of their town's big day. TAR may have even encouraged them to in how boring would it look on TV if the canals were empty. Like the Singing Grannies who I imagine planed that boat trip singalong just for this day. In other words it was more they were out celebrating to BE part of TAR if anything. People would happily think maybe they could end up on footage broadcast since TAR is popular in the Netherlands. At least see some of the teams and Phil. This was like the county fair meets Old Home Day meets a big sports event for this tiny little town. Their moment to shine before the whole world. This was their day of days and -- except for the token (and non boat riding) Grumpy Guy (Get off my grass you kids!) -- they seemed on the whole happy to get their boats rammed and "filmed" and be part of it all. I'm sure the whole town -- minus Grump Guy -- is loving this episode and is right proud to have been on TAR.

I don't know about renewals or not but they have been running one season ahead by a bunch for some time. As you can tell from it's look, this season we are seeing was filmed last summer. (Actually alihart41 just posted while I was writing this and got the exact date, thanks). And I understand another "season" was filmed last fall (maybe?) so there is now one in the can waiting it's turn next year. There have been some legs in recent years that don't have roadblocks like one each season as I recall. So I don't think a roadblock was edited out of this leg. With a double u-turn and this added "task" with the boats at the end the producers knew they had more than enough material for this leg and wouldn't be able to squeeze in a RB as well is my guess. I think you are thinking about Survivor, not TAR. (Wasn't Survivor Swedish though??). TAR was totally the original creation of the husband/wife team of Bertram van Munster and Elise Doganieri and wasn't based on any other show. So credit where credit is due. The short, dumbed-down story as I recall was that van Munster (he created "Cops") came back from a TV insiders convention in Europe telling his wife there was nothing new to see that year idea-wise over there. She basically said how hard is it to just think up a show and he said really hard and challenged her to come up with an idea. She remembered the fun she had backpacking through Europe with a friend back in her college days and they took that raw seed idea and developed it into The Amazing Race. "As the original version of the Amazing Race franchise, the CBS program has been on-air since 2001. Created by Elise Doganieri and Bertram van Munster ..." from https://amazingrace.fandom.com/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_(US) TAR has to get local filming permits months ahead when planning a race and work with locals on times and routes in this task situation. And a production advance set-up team runs ahead of the main Race anyway setting up the boats to be taken and the ones to be towed etc. And I am sure the whole town knew what day they were coming etc because everyone in a small town knows what is going on. And though they may well be out and about most days given there are no roads in the town I am also sure even more people than normal were out to be part of TAR and maybe get on camera even. Like the Singing Granny boat may well have planned their day around this "big" event. I mean the show is popular over there and it is a big deal for this town. Except for Grumpy Guy most people were really nice when getting their boats rammed. "Oh it is fine" etc etc. And Grumpy Guy wasn't even in a boat. He seemed more like the local "Get off my grass you stupid kids" guy of that town. And Racers in boats on canals or small rivers are always fun since TAR3's punting on the Cam days onward through the years. Come to think of it that TAR3 episode also featured a first ever tandem bike task. The choice was between boat or bike as I recall. This season's leg the teams had to do both. Nice to have an episode I didn't have to worry about Colin & Christie being eliminated since the breakout of the hours of operation bunch onward. And another cat sighting for Leo. Wouldn't be an episode this season without seeing Pablo's long lost relations throughout the world, hah. And I agree with others they gave away Team Fun being the one eliminated by those interview inserts. Nicole was way way too happy and Fun was way too sad in those.

Actually I find them really interesting and am full on rooting for them ... through time and space and locked in results. Alas I don't think they are getting the winner's edit. Tyler & Korey are getting that in bucket fulls and with four straight wins in a row it is easy to understand. But C&C certainly are getting the "good guys finish second" edit this time around with the good guys part being well earned. Ironic because they had the "intense, crazy but super great racer guy with a beauty queen along for the ride finish second" last time thing going. Though the editors hid the final results far better in TAR5 if I have the edit figured out right this time. But I would LOVE to be wrong about my guess on the edit this time and see them win instead. I'd love to see Colin get his reward as one of the legendary, great Racers of all time and them win this season. I just don't think they will. Sniff. Also I want to add that on TAR5 though I was rooting for Charla & Mirna and Chip & Kim and even the Bowling Moms; I never hated Colin. I felt really uneasy about the taxi incident in Africa because that was totally no bueno. But other than that I enjoyed watching him as in really good entertainment and a perfect foil for Mirna, an ox, and, in the end, Chip. And I always respected his uber mad race skills.

That Team Guido vs Nancy & Emily one was one of the all time classic FFs. I was on the edge of my seat all the way though it. (Hey it isn't a spoiler if it happened 18 years ago so why the alphabet soup). They weren't held up in India. What I read was they decided to stay in India because of bureaucratic mix-up problems regards entering China. It was easier to just camp out in that posh Rajasthan hotel in India then proceed with the race into Thailand while awaiting the China snafu to get fixed.

What team won before? Also yes people should be helping each other in a race let alone the AMAZING race. Just as alliances help people on Survivor or BB these alliances, brief one offs like on this leg or even longer ones, work the same on TAR. It is how you race smart as opposed to being loners that get yourself lost or not cooperating when you can so that when you are in trouble people won't cooperate with you. Not helping when it doesn't hurt you is really dumb racing. Especially with u-turns etc these days. illdoc, FYI TAR1 was filmed in March of 2001. So you nailed it. Also Phil didn't greet the other teams on TAR1 because production didn't think they could get him to the mat in time each leg what with his stand-ups in front of RB and Detours spots. When they thought they could then he did as in the very next season which was when they switched the colors to red/yellow as well. TAR1 has this great, raw feeling to it because no one could build on experiences before them, They all had to figure out the race on the fly. Thus Rob & Brennen blew their one FF in the Race in Leg 1 which no one would ever do again that early when in the lead. They thought it would help build up a lead where no one would ever catch them, lol. And FFs in every leg but the Finale helped make the classic years great. You can only use it once. The longer you can go without going for a FF it becomes like an ace in the hole later with fewer teams left. But sometimes you just had to go for it if trailing badly or losing site of other teams and you become worried if you are last or not. And two teams going at the same time could bring about really bad results for the team not getting it. The FF was really the crown jewel idea/task on TAR and I still mourn it's loss in every leg. It helped save underdog teams and leveled the playing field more making stronger teams have to scramble to stay in. It gave another path to the mat so it was easier to edit in a surprise as to who survives and who is eliminated when a trailing team was using it. It was nothing but 100% positive. More strategy, more scenery, more teams having a chance, better editing. They said they stopped using it because of production cost which is pure bullshit. You don't need some elaborate FF. Eating a meat pie at an Aussie diner with only your own camera crew filming it worked just fine. Jumping in a swimming pool or climbing a snowy hill won't bust your budget. You don't have to stage these elaborate FFs they got into later in the Race. Just keep it simple. Like this last leg they could have sent Racers to the cliff monastery right off. Put bread in the basket and the monk sends the gnome back to you. The FF could have been serving the drinks though maybe more of them or some other complication thrown in. No extra production cost at all. Sorry but if I don't get my Ode to the Beloved Late FF Every Leg in each season I go nuts. Now a moment of silence to mourn it's loss.

Team Fun said that C&C had helped them with navigation and they would be lost without them because they sucked at navigation. Also we saw them a lot in earlier legs with Colin shouting stuff out to other teams like "The boats are over this way" or "The clue box is back the other way" or "The mat is across the street." I remember him pointing out the mat to Victor & Nicole I believe it was when it might have cost him a first place finish even though I think they ended up second and third instead. But that is who Colin was even back on TAR5. He ALWAYS was helping the loose alliance he was associated with of C&C, Chip & Kim, Brandon & Nicole and the Pizza Brothers. And that is what I love about TAR. Teams helping each other unless it is a battle for last place. Co-operation and not stupid silly immature drama crap. Not that Colin didn't fall down to some of that regards his battles with Charla & Mirna. But I always liked the positive part of Colin's TAR5 when he helped his race friends out all the time.

Yes but then Leo would get so excited and shout and wave his arms so much that the cats would scatter beyond collecting again. Plus you can't herd that many cats together even so much as a brief appearance at a mat. No way self-respecting cats would be party to that. I think that after so many "performances" over the seasons including the one at the disco in Vietnam this time when teams routinely get rejected for lack of energy, corny showmanship and enthusiasm that the teams were fearful NOT to show tons of same least they be rejected by this judge. I think MOST people love airport drama and most people loved Charla & Mirna for their entertainment value and driving Original Colin crazy alone. I love them period. Why? They kept the stuff they found. Why should they give it back. No one has to give back what they ever have done on a detour option in progress unless there is no way to go back to exactly where they left off like in a mid-rappel where they can't be magically beamed by Scotty to the exact part of the rappel they left off at for example. Why? They both knew Chris & Brett were behind them and they wanted to get through the RB before that team showed up at the RB. Doesn't matter who finishes 4th or 5th. Just don't finish 6th. Also why piss off a team when there is no need to in case there is another u-turn ahead? Last leg Christie HAD to refuse because they thought they and Rachel/sister were the last two teams period and it was beat them or be eliminated. Totally oranges and apples. Help others when it helps you too ... always!

Yeah Colin is legit changed and good for him. The easy tasks they started out with really weren't tasks. They were just go here and get a clue ones but set-up so as to showcase Split's scenery -- beach and cliff monastery -- more. I always like when they do that. I agree with others this was more a TAR Classic type of leg therefore a really good one. Please, producers, look at your earlier seasons again. Make the Race rock like it did this leg but for a whole Race again.

Actually the smartest people I've seen are the ones that do both. You can have your cake and eat it too on TAR. That is why it is indeed the AMAZING race. Rules have changed over the years on TAR. These days they cannot book multiple flights. Just one. Since the Dusseldorf one was stand-by only it would have been a suicide move for Colin to put their one pair of tickets on a stand-by when you know you can arrive at least even with two other teams and think maybe ahead of another. Especially since the "pair" is actually four tickets since their camera team must travel on the same flight with them per the rules. That is a lot of seats that need to free up at the last moment. Victor & Nicole, on the other hand, really had no choice at that point but to gamble since there seemed to be no viable flights after the one C&C, Team Fun and the Afganibles booked on. V&N basically hit the lottery when they got on. They provide Racers with swimwear as well as heavy winter apparel if needed on TAR. The winter apparel from the beginning of the show. Though I admit the swimwear was added as "provided" a few seasons into the Race I believe. Maybe it was added after Teri was forced to go swimming in that tank in her disposable paper underwear in TAR3, heh. And a MUCH better term than that other stupid term I always hated. Yes you pick up from where you left off. Some tasks there is no "left off" point but this one was one of those that was a "work in progress" one so yeah they did it legit.

What someone else mentioned and I repeated above. They were doing it the wrong way. They were suppose to use the scoop to dig down a little and then metal detect that scoop like how Colin was doing it. Instead they just skimmed the surface.

Well to start I have to say I LOVE when teams help each other. They have been doing it since Season 1 where it was so sweet to see Kevin & Drew helping Nancy & Emily. And it is always best to work together not to get eliminated then play alone and shoot yourself in the foot and come in last. Also it makes it more of a great fellowship. Too bad some fall by the wayside but help when you can and you may get help yourself too when you need it the most. It isn't some stupid "RACE" ... it is the AMAZING race where friendships for life are formed during a magical journey. Colin & Christie, you scared the hell out of me tonight. Stop doing stuff like that. Gnomes, don't leave home without them. Yeah Brett & Chris really messed up. Colin was doing it right. You USE your scoop. Not look at it blankly. But good for Colin as soon as the other guys said they had been doing it for 2 hours to immediately realize the implications and bolt decisively instead of playing Hamlet like the other team. Brett & Chris, really major bad choices this leg but you guys seemed nice enough and you outlasted the horror that was Rachel and even helped get her off my screen so a tip of the cap to you guys. You made it further than I thought you would. When are people going to realize that Tyler & Korey are running away with this race. It is like they are invisible or something.

You can find anything on the internet. Just have a VPN service installed before you go looking for it. Wow did I accidentally somehow post under a different name? This is me totally ... except for having a nephew. Dogs are dogs and are okay if bigger but the small ones with the sharp, ENDLESS, ear-splitting barking that goes on for hour after hour drives me nuts especially since you can't escape them in an apt complex. But quiet, dignified cats rock! It ain't for nothing that the Egyptians worshiped cats. Cats have this magical "thing" going for them. And they never debase themselves by begging for humans. They just make their demands and if not fulfilled in time you can have a few scratch marks to remind you that they are indeed gods and gods need their vittles on time. And if you are really really sorry for your shortcomings towards them and bring them a few cheese puffs and a hit of catnip they may just allow you to pet them again. Then they just sit there and get this Buddha-like smile on them as you jump for joy you are in their good graces again. Cats work so hard to get us humans trained properly. And times ten for Pablo who is having to train Leo.

I saw the cameraman too. That was a VERY big shot of a cameraman spotting. Stuck out like a sore thumb. Maybe the editors don't care to hide the camera crew anymore. Also a factoid. That Land Rover was in TAR7 in Africa -- the first time Boston Rob was on TAR -- and was driven by Brian and his brother. You may have seen Brian on TV over the years since he managed to move into the business to do many commercials as in not becoming/milking a "reality star" gig but becoming a legit jobbing actor instead. You may especially remember him in his recurring role over the years as the dumb as a rock but lovable former boyfriend of Penny on The Big Bang Theory.